Going into Spin, very high in the Air(plane)

[niclope22]

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Good video, gives you a bit of a picture, of a plane crash.


Totally nuts to do for fun!

[EastBayDave]

cool vid. He even shuts down the engine....

BTW, spin recovery is required training for pilot trainee's....

[Barnaby Wilde]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
cool vid. He even shuts down the engine....

BTW, spin recovery is required training for pilot trainee's....

EBD,

I wonder if he actually shut down his engine; it's not desirable or necessary. With this number of turns, the carburetor float bowl may have emptied and caused fuel starvation.

Most new pilots have never done _any_ spins. I feel a few aerobatic lessons will help all pilots become more capable pilots, since we _are_ dealing with three dimensions.

I did my first spin (solo!) when I was a student pilot after reading a book. My technique was all wrong, and I ended up in a screaming dive, getting the Cessna 150 up to 160 mph, which is its Never Exceed airspeed. After I calmed down and flew home, I asked my instructor to teach me how to do a spin, and we ended up in the same screaming dive, after which we were very quiet during the return flight. The next time we flew together, he said let's try another spin, and this time it was done correctly, very smooth and controllable. It seems he got himself some aerobatics training in the meantime! So, even many Certified Flight Instructors (CFIs) don't know how to spin correctly.

I do them all the time...:)

[nedro]

Spins are fun but there's nothing like the feeling of a hammerhead stall. The stall buzzer seems to go on for ever before the plane starts dropping out of the ski (going backwards is freaky).

[Barnaby Wilde]

Originally posted by nedro
Spins are fun but there's nothing like the feeling of a hammerhead stall. The stall buzzer seems to go on for ever before the plane starts dropping out of the ski (going backwards is freaky).

nedro,

I wonder if you're actually describing a tailslide ("going backwards is freaky")? In a hammerhead, the aircraft makes a tight turn at the top of a vertical penetration, coming back down in almost the same line. (A little opposite aileron over the top keeps you in the correct plane...)

A tailslide is a potentially hazardous manuever since even many aerobatic aircraft are not stressed for tailslides; it places large loads on the empennage. Certainly any aircraft which has a stall warning horn is not suited for tailslides.

[Sane_Man]

Originally posted by Barnaby Wilde
EBD,

I wonder if he actually shut down his engine; it's not desirable or necessary. With this number of turns, the carburetor float bowl may have emptied and caused fuel starvation.

Most new pilots have never done _any_ spins. I feel a few aerobatic lessons will help all pilots become more capable pilots, since we _are_ dealing with three dimensions.

I did my first spin (solo!) when I was a student pilot after reading a book. My technique was all wrong, and I ended up in a screaming dive, getting the Cessna 150 up to 160 mph, which is its Never Exceed airspeed. After I calmed down and flew home, I asked my instructor to teach me how to do a spin, and we ended up in the same screaming dive, after which we were very quiet during the return flight. The next time we flew together, he said let's try another spin, and this time it was done correctly, very smooth and controllable. It seems he got himself some aerobatics training in the meantime! So, even many Certified Flight Instructors (CFIs) don't know how to spin correctly.

I do them all the time...:)

That's why they don't teach spins when earning your Private Pilot. I think spins are required when getting your Commercial rating.

A friend of mine who is an instructor for professional pilot's, did my flight review. After we finshed with the review, he taught me how to do Chandelles, which is like doing figure 8's horizontally. That was pretty cool. :cool

The most awesome thing was watching him do a take-off to 500 feet, pulling the power to idle, then reversing direction and landing back on the runway. Useful only in a dire emergency.

[whySareFIFTYymb]

cool vid

[Moike]

Neat... reminds me of growing up.

I grew up in an 'airplane' family... My dad and I used to go out
in the Aerobat or the Bonanza all the time just to goof around.

From what I remember being taught, 'normal' private pilots are
taught to never let an induced spin go more than three
revolutions because past that it starts to really tighten up
and your speed increases a great deal making it harder
to recover from.

In the video whoever was on the yoke was doing an excellent
job of keeping that spin pretty flat and slow. I'd like to know
what kind of plane they were in. I'd guess some type of mid
or low wing.

My dad liked Immelman turns and four point rolls.

I think my favorite thing to do was snap rolls. In simple terms,
yank back on the yoke and kick the rudder pedals.

One of my goals in the next year or two is to buy two spots
at Air Combat USA for myself and my dad, and we just won't
tell the instructors that either of us have had flight experience.

I've always wanted to hold a knife edge in a plane that had the
power to pull it off.

For now, I'm only flying R/C planes these days.

-Mike-

[Barnaby Wilde]

Originally posted by Moike
I'd like to know
what kind of plane they were in. I'd guess some type of mid
or low wing.



"Robin"

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/103/590/1502212-eieh.jpg

[Moike]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Barnaby Wilde
[B]"Robin"

Well, that explains the flatness of the spin. Look how turned
up those wingtips are. I bet that thing practically flies itself.

-Mike-

[VeloceMoto]

Link is broken!! :cry

Anyone want to host it, for those who downloaded it?

[EastBayDave]

Originally posted by Barnaby Wilde
EBD,

I wonder if he actually shut down his engine; it's not desirable or necessary. With this number of turns, the carburetor float bowl may have emptied and caused fuel starvation.

Most new pilots have never done _any_ spins. I feel a few aerobatic lessons will help all pilots become more capable pilots, since we _are_ dealing with three dimensions.

I did my first spin (solo!) when I was a student pilot after reading a book. My technique was all wrong, and I ended up in a screaming dive, getting the Cessna 150 up to 160 mph, which is its Never Exceed airspeed. After I calmed down and flew home, I asked my instructor to teach me how to do a spin, and we ended up in the same screaming dive, after which we were very quiet during the return flight. The next time we flew together, he said let's try another spin, and this time it was done correctly, very smooth and controllable. It seems he got himself some aerobatics training in the meantime! So, even many Certified Flight Instructors (CFIs) don't know how to spin correctly.

I do them all the time...:)
First off I haven't flown in at least 20 years, so my knowledge is quite outdated. I also, grew-up flying; my dad was flying rentals when I was 5, & bought a 63' Cessna 210 when I was 7. We flew all over the western states/Canada/Mexico when I was growing up. Seemed we were always flying someplace (APBA.) We went to “fly-in’s” monthly, Reno air races at least 9 times, etc. I loved flying for a long, long time.

Started lessons just prior to turning 16, & soloed on my 16th birthday w/8 hours in logbook. Sadly I only went on to a total of 20 hours & never did get my license. At 16 there are other things more exciting I was getting into other than flying (girls!) :teeth

After that I only flew occasionally w/my Dad & his friends; & was lucky enough to get a few aerobatic rides in a Decathlon Citrabra (sp?) numerous times. Spins were my least favorite maneuver; too darn scary for me. Rolls, loops, hammerhead stalls, everything else were fun & just fine w/me. I always enjoyed aerobatic flying every chance I could get, just didn’t like spins. Weird.

Sadly my Dad got sick & passed & I could not afford to buy his 210 just before his passing ($18K back then, damn!), & just a few years later my Mom passed in a 210 crash in Hayward (NTSB report here: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001205X00489&key=1) So, I kind of lost some of my love of flying when that happened.

However, I still find myself looking at the sky every time I hear an airplane, & can always name what’s going overhead. I still miss it, & would like to fly again someday. Alas I no longer know anyone who flies except one guy w/a 150 whose 320lbs. As I’m in the 270lb. range that kind of kills that. Maybe someday…..(sigh…1000 yard stare…)…

Until then, strafing canyons will have to do....:)

[skwirl]

Originally posted by nedro
Spins are fun but there's nothing like the feeling of a hammerhead stall.

There's nothing like the feeling of a complete electrical failure at 800' AGL at a controlled airport after you have cycled the gear up and had just heard a call for 'jumpers away' (skydivers, aka it's raining stupid people) before the radios failed. :green

This was last September. I had extra cocktails that night. :teeth

[planegray]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
Decathlon Citrabra (sp?)

hee hee.....that's "airbatic" spelled backwards !

Nice vid, thanks for posting....I leaned my spins in Ye Olde Tomahawk....it was fun 'cause if you ever got lonely you could look back at the tail and it would be waving at you !!

I also grew up as a "flying club kid", I think it was the APMO (aircraft pilots metropolitan oakland)
My dad had a series of different a/c, now has a bonanza...nice for trips to mexico !

[wannabe]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
BTW, spin recovery is required training for pilot trainee's....


It's smart to get, but it's not required. Besides, a lot of the high wing trainers like the cessna 172 is so freakin stable that spin recovery is usually just a matter of taking your hands and feet off the controls and letting the plan recover itself.

edit: Stall recovery is mandatory...not spin recovery.

[eeeeek]

Spins were my favorite way of quickly bleeding altitude in the Citabrea. It really amazed me how easy they are to recover.

[Climber]

My first time flying was with my younger brother who got his pilot's license at 15 and was instructing at 19 (Air Force F-15's by 22), he let me fly the plane and had me stall it at 5k elevation. We went into a spin and he calmly suggested that I get out of it. I went with my instincts and turned against the spin which just made us spin faster which didn't sink in for a couple seconds until I looked over at him and he was grinning, so I tried the unintuitive direction and that worked. IMHO every pilot should be taught it so that if they ever find themselves in that situation they'll know how to get out of it because a panicked mind doesn't think as well.

[SloRoll]

Good to see a lot of people here interested in aerobatics here. I own a Pitts Special which is an aerobatic biplane and compete occasionally in IAC competitions here in the miwest. :teeth

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/103/590/1504825-chuck_pitts_taxi.jpg

[danok]

Just to clear up the confusion, spin awareness and a discussion of recovery technique is required for the Private pilot rating (only discussion, no actual spin is required). For the Initial Certified Flight Instructor for single engine land planes rating, an actual spin is performed. I did mine in a Cessna 150 and it was cool. 3 turns over Mt Hamilton with a loss of 800 ft in about 6 seconds.

[Racerx]

Originally posted by Climber
My first time flying was with my younger brother who got his pilot's license at 15 and was instructing at 19 (Air Force F-15's by 22),

The minimum age to solo a powered aircraft (plane or helicopter) is 16. So how did your brother get his license at 15??

[eeeeek]

Originally posted by Racerx
The minimum age to solo a powered aircraft (plane or helicopter) is 16. So how did your brother get his license at 15??

You can solo an ultralight at 8 (yes, eight).

http://www.cnn.com/US/9603/young_pilot/

[Junico]

Nice airplane SloRoll. An S-2 or S-2B perhaps? So what's it like flying in an IAC competition? The first adjective that comes to my mind is demanding. What a thrill it must be though.

Spins in a Cessna? :hand :zzz. Try 'em inverted or knife edge for some real pucker factor! :laughing

[EastBayDave]

Originally posted by SloRoll
Good to see a lot of people here interested in aerobatics here. I own a Pitts Special which is an aerobatic biplane and compete occasionally in IAC competitions here in the miwest. :teeth


OH, one of my dream rides, a Pitts Special. SPLOOGE!

(the only thing better would be a {dream on} P51D- or any warbird fighter)

Can I jokingly say I absolutely HATE you! :teeth

[eeeeek]

My uncle, Will Martin, had a get rich scheme going during the early 60's. He bought Mustangs from Central and South America and flew them back to the states to resell them in the US. A few of them got held up at the Mesican Border for decades because they still had their 50 cals on board.

I got some time in "El Gato Rapido" before he sold it. As a side note, the guy he sold it to crashed in on landind.

[Climber]

Originally posted by Racerx
The minimum age to solo a powered aircraft (plane or helicopter) is 16. So how did your brother get his license at 15??
This was 27 years ago. I don't remember the details but he had his pilot's license before he had his drivers license.