Lindemans vs Aftershox

[OaklandF4i]

I will be getting my forks done for next seasons CCS series and was wondering what people thought of Lindemans vs Aftershox's fork work.

I heard nothing but good about Lindeman, but havent heard much about aftershox. I have seen Aftershox at the track but never Lindeman (at least a CCS race). Is there anybody else I should be considering?

My one thought, as I am fairly new to this - having someone at the track to ask about set up is a plus for a racer like me who is new and doesnt know a whole lot.

[Joachim2311]

I just had my forks and shocks revalved / springs moded this week. I have to say, I'm totally impressed, bike handles fantastic with the shops settings!!!:teeth

[christofu]

Everyone is going to be in love with one of them and pan the other because it's not the one they go to. That's the trouble with having two world-class suspension shops in our neighborhood.

They both do outstanding work. They both have legions of devoted followers. Flip a coin or go to the one closest to you.

I chose Aftershocks because they are about 1 block from where I used to work. I'm very impressed by their skill, knowledge and willingness to "go the extra mile". I assume that Lindeman does a similar outstanding service.

BTW, having your suspension done makes a world of difference. Two of my experiences:
1. Last year I crashed a lot at the start of the season. After having Phil do my suspension, no more crashes.
2. This year I was working on developing my singles bike. I deliberately left the suspension work until I had a few races to sort everything out. I wanted to go to Phil and tell him exactly what the problem areas where. Results? Pre-suspension lap times at BW were 2:15s. Post-suspension lap times were 2:04s. It's worth it :teeth

[Holeshot]

Go talk to the guys in the pits at one of the AFM practice days (saturday).

I think if you know Jim personally, it helps. I've never heard a bad word of phil at aftershocks till now.

[morthrane]

I'm too lousy of a rider to really appreciate the fine tune differences that Phil@aftershocks or lindemann can do... at this point in my riding, its more of a "trust" ;) so I'm not even going to think about the technical aspects-- my head starts hurting whenever people mention shim stacks and "low-speed-compression" :laughing

My personal and primary reason for going to Aftershocks is the customer service. They turn around work in good time, and they've never bullshitted me. That I know of anyway :laughing I guess when it comes down to it, it really does seem as though Phil will give you his whole attention and experience, whether you're an AFM frontrunner or a yet another dumbshit new rider on a literbike (aka, me :teeth). Oh yeah, the guy usually at the front desk (Dan) is pretty cool to deal with as well.

[wei7]

Not to add too much more to this thread but Deb (two-stroker) has done a few things with Phil. He revalved and customized her rear shock and reworked front forks. I think he did a very good job of the two and she really noticed a better ride on the rear suspension. He does take the time to do his best. Through the time I have known Phil and Dan they have never told us they are the best or trashed anyone else. They say they do there best and they have not done us wrong. We send many customers to them and everyone has been happy with their work. BUT I have heard bad things also but for us they do just fine.

I think you take a chance going any place only because when someone is not on the ball then you will be shafted. Scuderia has a very good suspension person named Cualo there. He is supose to do some good magic on forks. Hawk Mazzola is riding on forks done by him and I have heard he is happy with it.

Maybe you should hold off till next weekend and go to the last race at Thunder. Just walk around and talk to some people. Traxxion and PPS seem to be supported pretty well also. Phil is always at the races though and could always give you personal service at the races. That is the plus side of things. Best wishes

[Ninja Blade]

Originally posted by wei7

I think you take a chance going any place only because when someone is not on the ball then you will be shafted. Scuderia has a very good suspension person named Cualo there. He is supose to do some good magic on forks. Hawk Mazzola is riding on forks done by him and I have heard he is happy with it.

I've not heard anything bad about Aftershocks, but have heard bad things about Lindemanns from customers that have used those shops. I just had my forks revalved with custom "Coehlo" valves. I'll be testing em out at t-hill on wed and will let you know what i think. One thing you might want to do is get racetech springs. I found out that the f4i has progressive springs, which don't work as well with revalving. Unfortunately, Coehlo didn't tell me until after he gave me back my forks. (His english isn't great, but his suspension work is.)

[EastBayDave]

I don't know much about Aftershox, but Jim Lindermann has done fork/shock work for me at least 7-8 times over the years dating back to 1981' when he worked at Fox. I've never been disappointed in any of his work.

When he was at Fox (& I was sponsored by Fox), we built prototype shocks for the 81’ KZ1000J, & in 83’ did the first “Twin-Clicker” monoshock ever for the “GPz” series motorcycles. They worked awesome! (Look close at pic below; you can see "Fox Factory" sticker on fairing...)

It’s been about 10 years since I’ve had anything done; so I don’t know what the story is today/recently…

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/010/909/144017-gpztn3.jpg

[budman]

I have used both. Lindeman in the old race days '80s and Aftershocks did two of my bikes last year..very good results with each although I do like the customer service at AFTERSHOCKS better :teeth Nice guys too...and your right if there at the races and willing to provide input that is HUGE!

Just ask for new fork seals at either place!

Good luck!

:smoking

[morthrane]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
It’s been about 10 years since I’ve had anything done; so I don’t know what the story is today/recently…


The bitching I've heard about Lindemann basically comes down to a) Lindemann works on your fork/shock and you are happy, or b) lindemann's cronie works on your fork/shock, and you're probably not going to be happy. Dunno how true or not this is, just merely how I've heard it. If you go to aftershocks or that guy at scuderia, chances are you know exactly who's working on your stuff :teeth

[OaklandF4i]

Thanks for everyones input. I'll probably give Phil a try in December on the initial set up.

[budman]

Another satified racing forum customer :thumbup

:smoking

[luisimo]

For the average guy both are great! With aftershocks having a friendlier service and lower price (not much)

[jdmbikes]

Race tech is also very good. No matter who you chose for the parts the real key is having someone set them up properly for you. No amount of expensive parts is going to make any difference unless you know how to put it together. You can contact our shop for help, our tech worked on the World superbike circuit for 3 years and is one of the best suspension guys I have met. :cool

[JeffKoch]

Anyone here ever use PPS? I just sent my forks and shock to them for rebuilding and general look-over, on the recommendation of Mike Watt of Ohlins USA. They're in Anaheim.

I have had work done at Lindemann, though. They changed oil and seals on my Ohlins shock and I was perfectly happy, but the revalving they did on my Showa forks and shock was just o.k. - the parts went on my street bike so it's not so important, but it took me a long, long time to come up with a combination of suspension parameters I was happy with. I probably would have been better off staying with the stock valving, and only changed it because they recommended it (the parts needed service anyway after long use and a couple crashes). I've never used Aftershocks.

[Holeshot]

Stigg has a great rep, over at PPS. I had a PPS front end on my R6 race bike, and it was a great compliant suspension. No complaints at all.

[JeffKoch]

Cool, thanks Holeshot - makes me feel better. :cool I'd never heard of PPS before Watt suggested them.

[EastBayDave]

who what where is "PPS" ???

[morthrane]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
who what where is "PPS" ???

They may be talking about these guys (http://www.ppsracing.com/)