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Smoothie
10-15-2002, 02:53 PM
I'm scheduled for surgery on the clavicle tomorrow. Prognosis is excellent! My head stopped spinning so it looks like the recovery will go very well.

If you don't want to read all this crap, here's the short version: I had a high-side crash at t-hill in T2 towards the end of the last session. I suffered a concussion and a complicated collar bone fracture.


First of all, the fact that this crash happened at all is terribly discouraging. I am disappointed with myself. Those of you who know me know that I approach motorcycling with safety in mind. “crash and learn” is just a joke. I like to go fast, but I always leave room for safety. I don’t go 100%... EVER. My basic plan is: don’t crash. That’s it. Some of you crash at the track and accept it as part of the game. I think that’s great. Going 100% is a fine line to walk, and crashing is the price you pay for it. But I wasn’t playing that game. My plan was to go 85- 95% and be happy with it. Enjoy my bike as it grows old and live to ride another day. Sure, I could go 100% and shave off another, what... 3 or 4 seconds, but what for? I’d still be slow! Anyhow, I thought I was being Mr. Safety out there. Crashing was totally unexpected. But getting injured, trashing my bike, and suffering a concussion put a serious hurt on my pride, not to mention that it blows a huge hole in my credibility when I try to assure family and friends that motorcycling can be a safe hobby.

So this letter is for all you folks who take your pristine street bikes out to the track planning to bring them home without a scratch because you’re playing it ‘safe’. Here’s what happened to me, and I’m sharing everything I can remember so that hopefully it won’t happen to you...


I was fully prepared. Prior to this trackday I viewed several different videos of Thunderhill to be completely familiar with the track. I had reviewed Keith Code’s books to be up to snuff on the techniques I was going to use, and I was well-rested. I also had lots of Thunderhill notes from experienced local racers so I was definitely set.

Unfortunately it turned out that I was over-prepared. I had intellectualized everything to the point that I was doing every control input as a conscious decision. I’ve heard people call this “riding in your head”. I think that’s what I was doing. I had so much information in my head that it couldn’t concentrate on just RIDING. It was too much, so my first session was timid and sketchy.

I decided to bag the plan for a while and just get a good feel for the bike. This turned out to be the perfect adjustment; the next session I was much smoother and confident. I then switched to the advanced group B so I could ride with a couple of SV650 racers (Ron and Dave) that I recently met. It turned out we were very compatible; I was faster than Ron but slower than Dave. We were able to dice it up a bit and I found this to help my concentration quite a lot.

Later I went back to my notes, but I resigned myself to the fact that I couldn’t change everything at once. If I could, I guess I’d be running 2:01 laps right? Oh well. Instead, I picked out one or two tips and took them with me into each session. This worked great.

Lunchtime at a trackday is the perfect time to evaluate how things are going. Ron remarked that I was hanging way, way off the bike. He said I resembled a “monkey in a sidecar”. I was just ‘making sure’ because it seems that no one really hangs off as far as they think. I decided that I might be overdoing it, particularly since I was dragging my knee when Ron still had about three inches to go even though we were at the same speed. Also my knee sliders were wearing down quickly, so I adopted a less extreme hang-off in the afternoon and it felt more natural. Also during lunch I showed off my completely stock YZF600. They noticed that I still had the feelers on my footpegs. I said I liked dragging parts! They suggested that I get rid of them, so I did. It was about time I graduated anyway. Nobody who spends much time at the track has feelers on their footpegs do they?

The afternoon sessions felt better. I was having a lot of fun with my favorite turn -T2. I found myself trail braking into the turn (something new), holding a lot of corner speed, and getting an early drive out. It seemed like I was going faster almost everywhere but especially T2. I dropped six seconds off my time (down to 2:15) and I still had plenty of room to improve since I was still playing it safe in a few turns. Like turns 7 and 8 which were producing a bit of wallow. My whole bike was heaving and bouncing so I didn’t push it there. But turn 2 was working great! I was glad I got rid of that footpeg feeler; it had been distracting me. I was able to get on the gas much earlier now, and I found that I was dragging the footpeg anyway. I had that turn dialed in just about perfectly (according to me). I even noticed on one lap that the back end stepped out a wee bit on the exit. It was nothing major – probably two inches – but it just felt perfect and I knew that T2 was as good as I was going to get it.

4:00 P.M.

Before the last session Ron remarked that I had gotten faster throughout the day and I agreed. I was going better than ever. I was by no means “fast” but my times were dropping consistently and that was the important thing. Here’s what I remember from the last session. Just before we hit the track I showed Dave the grindage to the left footpeg and he nodded. He waved me in front as we entered the track so he could follow for a couple laps. After his tires were warmed up he got by me easily. I tried to stick with him for a couple laps but he was too fast. I knocked my pace off a bit. Down the front straight I looked back and I didn’t see Ron either. I remember thinking it was too bad the last session was going to be kinda lonely. I’m not sure which lap that was, but I did knock my pace off a bit. It turns out my last complete lap was a 2:18 and I only had two more laps to go before the end of the session, and the end of the day...


wavy lines ~~~~ harp music ~~~~~ wavy lines ~~~~ harp music


“You were in a motorcycle crash”, said the smiling face.

I didn’t answer, and just stared up at the white ceiling. I was obviously having a really weird dream. This made sense because I recently had a track day. Last time I went to Thunderhill I kept having mini “nightmares” afterwards of crashing. I would kick all the covers off the bed and wake up my wife. She would ask, “high-side?” I’d answer “No... lost the front. Sorry, go back to sleep”.

“Do you remember what you did this morning?” asked the smiling face.

I thought about this for a second and said, “Yeah, I woke up. I camped outside the gate.” Suddenly I remembered the sound of my bike grinding and sliding on the pavement and I thought ... ‘oh shit’. I also had a vague tank-slapper sort of nightmare that began replaying in my head.

“Do you know where you are?” asked the smiling face.

“I’m at the race track” I answered, kinda sure, but not really.

“What track?” she asked.

“Willow Springs. I mean Willows... Thunderhill...” This dream was getting too vivid. “What happened?” I asked. ( It turns out this was the fifth time I asked this particular question).

“You were in a motorcycle crash.” said the nurse.

Apparently I was NOT waking up.

“shit”

The questions continued and I noticed that there were several other people in the room. One person was talking on a radio and someone else had a blood pressure cuff on my left arm. I tried to move but I felt a stabbing pain in my right shoulder that kept me down. I knew I was fucked. I had a hell of a headache too. Funny thing...I don’t ever have headaches when I dream. I started to feel really down.

Suddenly Ron popped into the room. It was great to see a familiar face! He had brought my helmet and showed it to me. DING! Man, that explained a lot. He also told me it was the exit of turn 2 where I crashed. He was great. He got some phone numbers from me and promised to make the calls and take care of all my gear. What a great guy. I sure hope I have the opportunity to help someone out like he did for me.

My memory is spotty about the ambulance ride into town except my eyes were killing me. There was dirt all in my face and I was spitting out small rocks. The dirt was grinding the back of my eyes and I couldn’t do anything about it. No one would give me an eye wash. They were more worried about broken bones and internal injuries... go figure. At the hospital I just lied there unable to move and there was a sink right there. It was totally frustrating. I was cold too. My underwear and T-shirt were still wet from a full day of riding. It was air-conditioned in the clinic and I was shivering on-and-off to keep warm.

Then Ron and Dave both showed up! They explained where the crash happened and guided me to the conclusion that I high-sided myself. Ron reported that my wife was on the way and all my gear was stowed. They even loaded my bike, strapped it down, and gave me a good idea of the repairs it would need. Man, it was great to have these guys show up. I can’t begin to explain... I guess part of it was just being able to talk shop for a while. When I commented on their generosity Ron said “Been there” and showed me his healed collar-bone fracture. Ron said he didn’t realize it was me who went down. There was just a big cloud of dust when he came around T2. I asked about my leathers assuming they had been cut off, but they said no. They were pretty well trashed, but they had not been cut off. Really? That didn’t make sense – when I woke up I was lying on the table and they were off. Hmmm... Before they left, Ron gave me a bunch of phone numbers in case I needed anything else. Wow.

The Doc ordered a full set of x-rays. So I got wheeled to the x-ray room and had to lie in several different positions on the flat, hard table. Every time I moved I could feel the pieces of my clavicle moving around inside my shoulder. Sometimes it hurt but it was mostly just plain disgusting. I asked the radiologist about this and she replied, “The doctor wants a full series.” It started to make me nauseous after a while. The A/C was working great in that room.

After the x-rays I said I was thirsty as but they said, “no water”. They kept asking about the urine sample I couldn’t give and I kept asking about the eyewash. Except for my buddies showing up this was just about the most miserable experience I’ve ever had in my life. Eventually I pissed a couple ounces. The nurse said, “you’re dehydrated.” No kidding.

The Doc showed up and explained that my clavicle was broken into three pieces and otherwise I was mostly okay. But surgery had not been ruled out for the evening... so NO WATER. They needed a CT-scan due to the fact my bell got rung pretty hard at the track.. Unfortunately they didn’t have that equipment in Willows. I had to take a 45 minute ambulance ride to Enloe where the CT-scan could be done. They were worried about a brain-bleed or something. I’m surprised they made this evaluation so late in the game. It seems like I should have been airlifted to a better facility in the first place.

Anyhow, the same crew that took me from the track to the hospital was transporting me to Enloe for the CT-scan. I vaguely recognized them, but they sure did remember me. The driver said I was doing a lot better, and that the last time he saw me I was “talking sideways”. I asked how long I had been knocked out, and they said I was already conscious when they arrived. They said I was standing up and getting out of my leathers with the help of the local emergency crew. HOLY CRAP, I didn’t remember any of that. During the ride I was not feeling good. When I closed my eyes I could swear I was doing summersaults. The EMTs were cool but I got the feeling they weren’t telling me something. They were joking around sometimes, but mostly just ‘looking’ at me. Of course I imagined the worst-case scenario of a brain transplant or whatever. I really had no idea what to expect as the night kept getting worse.

It turns out I had nothing to worry about. The CT-scan turned out negative. I discovered that my head looks neat from the inside. I drank a gallon of water. Then I got transported back to Willows.

11:00 P.M.

I was exhausted, in pain, and hungry, but I was finally released. This ordeal had lasted almost seven hours. My wife was there. I gave her a one-armed hug and suddenly I just burst into tears. Some tough-guy, huh? I was so unsteady she had to hold me up and I couldn’t stop crying. I was just so grateful I could walk out of that building on my own. Unfortunately there was still dirt on my face so I really messed up her pretty sweater with my nose.

...

THE NEXT DAY had all the feel of a really bad hang-over. I showed up back at the track and was immediately greeted by the people who pitted next to me the day before, including Beats. He was the only BARFer I met. It turns out he was a radiologist so I let him look at my x-rays. He was totally cool. Pretty soon I was talking with a small crowd. Everyone wanted to know how I was doing and that was great. A lot of people were showing me their clavicles. It looks like I joined the club.

The guys who hauled me off the track came over to say hi. After they found out I was okay they started giving me shit like, “you were so wasted dude”. It was funny. They said I was trying to get up and I was saying my shoulder was messed up. HOLY CRAP I don’t remember any of that. So I guess I wasn’t out for very long at all, but my mental tape-recorder was broken for about 20 minutes or so. The first thing I remember is being flat on my back in the track clinic. Weird stuff.


DID I LEARN ANYTHING AT ALL????

Unfortunately nobody saw the crash and I still can’t remember it, but it’s pretty easy to figure out: T2 is a left turn and all the damage was to the right side of the bike. I broke my right collar bone and the impact to the helmet is on the right side... you do the math. Probably the back wheel spun up and stepped out a lot, I chopped the throttle, and voila! HIGH-SIDE. They tell me my bike landed pretty much in the middle of the track and slid to the infield. I vaguely remember a couple of oscillations of a tank-slapper. This makes me think that I might have been trying to save it instead of committing to a low-side.

Man, a high-side... this is pretty hard to accept.. For one thing, I had already experienced rear wheel slip in that turn and I didn’t flinch. For another thing, I’ve given this scenario a lot of thought and already decided to STAY ON THE GAS. Obviously I’m still in denial. The last time I had a high-side was twenty years ago!!! I thought I already learned my lesson, but I guess it just takes an instant of indecision.

To make myself feel better, when I got home I watched my tape of 2001 MotoGP and watched Carlos Checa toss it down the track in classic high-side style. “Look Ma! I crash just like the pros do!!”

Okay, now that I’ve fully admitted that the crash was my fault I should mention that it probably would not have happened if I had been on better tires. I was using Bridgestone BT020s ( a “sport-touring” tire) and they had over 3,000 hard miles on them including my last trackday in August. The reason I went with this tire is because I wanted to learn how to deal with reduced available traction. <BARFers may insert your wise-ass remarks here> I always hear that races often come down to tire choice and qualifying tires allow you to go faster than race tires, etc. etc. I read in Road Racing World that Yates accidentally went into a race with 40 psi in one of his tires and he suffered 3 sec per lap reduced performance. Obviously the pros go as fast as their tires let them, so how fast is that? I wanted to learn how what it feels like to be near the limit of traction and how to deal with it. I figured a less sticky tire would give me more learning opportunities. Instead I found that the BT020s hardly slipped at all. Are the new rubber compounds so damned good that even a “sport-touring” tire is pretty much “race-compound” to the average Joe? I guess so. I was getting the footpegs down with healthy throttle application and they barely squirmed.

So out of this whole experience I have one question: How DO you know when your tires are about to let go? If I knew the answer I could feel good about returning to the track. Right now though, I’m definitely spooked.

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Sorry this is such a long post. Thanks for all the good wishes from everyone. I'll be fine.

Smoothie
10-15-2002, 02:59 PM
the bike:

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/011/123/145601-thill_10-4___1_small.jpg

insyder
10-15-2002, 03:18 PM
UGH! Get well soon!!!

Robert R1
10-15-2002, 03:22 PM
Race tires don't overheat like street tires to at the track. Street tires tend to lose their feedback and predictability as they get hotter and hotter.

Also, I have noticed that it's more comfortable for me to slide on fresher tires than worn out tires. I rode a friends F4 on the track with 207 street tires and 2500miles on them already, last year. The tires were fine for about 4laps but after that they would slide without warning and become very vague in their feedback.

As for knowing the limits of traction, the more relaxed you are the easier it is to translate the feedback.

unixgal
10-15-2002, 03:38 PM
:wow Get well soon! Hope the surgery goes well!!!

Definitely has given me things to think about before I go to TH next month.

Take care, OK??? :D

nine
10-15-2002, 04:00 PM
Glad to hear you're doing better. Don't be too hard on yourself on the highside. In reality there's only a split second to make a decision and without repetition, it's difficult to make the right decision. Actually, in critical situations, trained reflexes/instincts usually take over. At least, in this case, we can say live and learn. Also, much better for this to have happened on the track than on the road.

Take care of yourself and make sure you are diligent about rehab.


-nine

Ed L.
10-15-2002, 04:10 PM
Wow, great write-up Sherman, glad to hear that you're doing better. Maybe it wasn't your tires, perhaps too much throttle all at once? Spinning the rear happened to me (and I'm very slow) –pinning it just upright out of T6 through T7 slowed and braked for T8 then got on the throttle too much too early and I felt the rear spin with no traction through the apex of T8—I eased off and was ok.

Take care.

Oz
10-15-2002, 04:47 PM
Damn Smoothie....:(

I hope you feel better soon and heal up quik......

dragonbro
10-15-2002, 07:46 PM
glad to hear you're doing ok...well sort of. don't be so hard on yourself! as the saying goes.......shit happens. hope you heal quick and are out at it again soon.

MackeyStingray
10-15-2002, 08:08 PM
good to know your progress smoothie. heal up and get back on the horse. :thumbup sorry i didn't talk to ya that day. :|

AzNGuY473
10-15-2002, 09:21 PM
Get well soon man.. hope everything turns out okay. :)
i'm a newb and reading this definately scares the shit outta me..

Atak Kat
10-15-2002, 09:38 PM
Get well soon, smoothie!

Good write-up btw.

-ak-

MiniNC35Grl
10-15-2002, 09:39 PM
Heal up dood!!!! Hopefully your progress will be quick!!

vile
10-15-2002, 10:00 PM
well... as the others say, "glad to see you're well enough to make this post!" hope your surgery goes a.o.k. as well.

crash and learn, crash and learn... learn to accept that you crash no matter how skilled you are or how precautious you think you're being. itz a 2-wheeler! they are made to go down! ;)

relaxation is the key to knowing what your rubber is doing on the track. the moment you freak and 2nd guess yourself, you're on the pavement.

at any rate, you've belted some more experience to make some decisions with. part of me says, "get back on the horse" but i also believe that you know whatz most important to you more than anyone that tries to give you advice. so... think about it and do what you think is right for you. :angel

mrtnz
10-15-2002, 10:38 PM
SMOOTHIE! I am sorry to hear about your accident! Please get a LOT of rest. Take your time and get better. We'll still be here when you get back on the motorcycle.

Max Smiley
10-15-2002, 11:30 PM
Smoothie - Best of Luck on your surgery tomorrow and quick recovery!

I feel for ya on what you're saying regarding riding. Unfortunately, both of us found things not quite so predictable on the edge (no wonder we prefer huge safety margins!). Don't try to second guess too much. You could've been running better tires and going much faster elsewhere to dump :p But for damn sure be glad it was a track event and not the public roads.

As you heal up, maybe plan a nice road trip or vacation to new destinations. It will be something to look forward and work towards.

As for continued trackdays, that is a personal decision to make. It's one thing to go out and putt around, another when the bug bites and you want to haul off. Because certainly you must accept the fact that you may go down again and maybe with even more dire consequences. As we age and get injured etc. it's best IMO not to be so cavalier in our life choices.


ps. thanks for the blurb about Yates. At least now I know I wasn't the only dumbsh#t not checking tires before going out. it's now an almost religious check for me.

raphtze
10-16-2002, 12:34 AM
wow ......... i'm in awe.

heal fast man! i hope ya come away with some new mental check points. i sure didwhen i spilled over just last week at the SF social night ride :toothless

-raph

undtectd
10-16-2002, 01:09 AM
that totally sucks. wish you a speedy recovery.

Danny_Boy
10-16-2002, 01:42 AM
Hey Sherman,

I'm sure glad you came out of that okay. At least no permanent damages to yourself. Get plenty of rest and don't rush getting back on the bike. I'm sorry to hear about the accident but glad the situation wasn't worst.

Hope you get well soon! :(


-Danny

Holeshot
10-16-2002, 02:15 AM
SMoothie

Good write up. That whole ordeal sounds shitty for sure.

If you pick up a good track tire...Supercorsa...D208GP...you'll not have to worry much about slides. I get a few every now and then, but even at 2:00's at Thill, I don't get a whole lot. It's not something to worry about yet I think, for you.

Heal up fast!

Webbles
10-16-2002, 10:31 AM
OMG smoothie! I heard that you had an accident, but i had no idea it was a massive high-side! You have to be one of the most safe-concious person i know, and it saddens me to hear this happend to you.

I hope ya heal quick!


Webbles

Smoothie
10-16-2002, 12:10 PM
Well, I haven't been able to eat or drink anything today cuz I'm about to check-in with Dr. KNIFE. This will be weird. I've never been sedated... legally.

Thanks for all the well-wishes everyone!

Thanks for the technical input too - especially from you experienced people.

Regarding riding again: I have to go back, and it has to be Thunderhill. There is no way I could just get scared off and feel good about it. Even if I just go out and do a whole day of 2:20s, I'm going back to Thunderhill.

Some of the lessons I've learned are:
6 seconds is too much improvement for one day.
Don't screw around with tire choice.
I may not good enough to go around sliding tires anyway.


Serious trackwork requires a physical commitment and I've got to think about that. It seems like the pros just keep going until they're too crippled to ride. I'm thinking of Doohan and Fogarty. Right now Gary McCoy is barely hanging together with all his nuts and bolts. It's amazing how many people I've now met that have gone through the clavicle injury. I met one person that fractured both clavicles TWICE. That's four fractures. YIKES!

Being laid-up sucks. Especially because I have so many other hobbies like tennis, surfing, bicycling, hiking, and climbing. So, if I want to seriously do the track thing I guess I have to be willing to be deprived of all those activities again.

hmmmm...

hmmmmmmmmmm...



Well maybe just one more time!!!! :thumbup I'll think about it when they put me under. GOTTA GO!!!

luisimo
10-16-2002, 01:35 PM
Speedy recovery !

TSC girl
10-16-2002, 02:26 PM
Good luck with surgery!! Heal quickly... :thumbup

mikeyjudkins
10-16-2002, 02:33 PM
Smoothie,

Great write up. That sucks for sure (been there). Best of luck on your recovery. I would recommend getting at least something like a set of Sportec M1s and go with a 31-30 psi. No slides at all in 2 days and netted me a consistent 5 seconds of improvement from the last trackday I did there. Maybe take a look at some new susp components and a custom valve job.

BTW, was your helmet loose at all and how old was it? Make sure your next lid is VERY snug and top-of-the-line.

MJ

foot
10-16-2002, 05:33 PM
Very, very well written.. You put in writing many of the thoughts that Ive been having over the past months(highside....t-hill....crushed foot) What a struggle it is when you don't know HOW it happened. The post crash sentiments are horrible.
I'm sorry for your mishap, but I'm glad I'm not the only one with that soundtrack playing in my noodle.
I'm not fully healed yet, and haven't made my return to trackdays...but like you, I plan to. We could idle around the track together..??
You have my best wishes Sherman..
foot

mjrydsfast
10-17-2002, 01:20 AM
I have a 97 YZF 1000, Bl and Gray. Never high sided but opted to stick my R1 under a van instead. Neat seeing the helmet later, eh? Mine's cracked (Shoei RF 800- thanks shoei). As for the stuff outside the brain injury, yeah, I broke the clav and scap too, as well as some other doo dads. I can relate to the surreal nature of "figuring it out". Three years later, I'm still trying to. As for the long post, I can understand. I'm writing a book on mine, but there's so much more to it! I just started riding again and am looking forward to my first track day when i can arrange it. School's kicking my ass right now. Take care and I'm glad you lived to tell about it. Bikes will crash. We know this but we still do it anyway. Why? See my quote on my tag line. Best wishes...[http://groups.msn.com/michaeljamesuntappedpotential/sportofkings.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=176

theSteveCo
10-17-2002, 04:03 PM
What an incredible write-up, Smoothie. Thanks for taking the time to share so much with us. Here's to a speedy recovery. :thumbup

beats
10-17-2002, 05:23 PM
great post smoothie.. actually i was an x-ray technologist, not a radiologist.. he's the MD. heheh.. so you are getting the plate huh? good luck with the healing and you'll be stronger when it's all over.. my highside at buttonwillow was also on street tires.. i've been on 208GP's ever since...

shoelace
10-17-2002, 08:35 PM
well, on a positive note, we can all see that your brain is working at 100% from that thoughtful write-up.

also, i don't really think that you can blame yourself too much for that crash. once that tire catches after sliding out and pitches you over, you can't really do a whole heck of a lot. sure, you could have cracked the throttle so that you'd maybe low-side, but c'mon. the pros highside all the time. don't be too hard on yourself. the surgeon will be hard enough on that clavicle for the both of you. ;)

sport-touring tires weren't meant for the track, so go get yourself some 208s and get back on the horse when you're good and ready. you probably excelled on that track more than people would have expected.

take care,
david.

Smoothie
10-17-2002, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by mikeyjudkins
...was your helmet loose at all and how old was it? Make sure your next lid is VERY snug and top-of-the-line.
MJ Yeah, that could be part of the problem. Actually I was shopping for a new helmet because my helmet was two years old and the padding had packed out a bit. It went from snug to comfy in that time. Another reason is because the RF800 was Snell 95 rated.; the new Snell rating, M2000, is more strict.

On the other hand, the exit of T2 is around 70 mph and I landed on my head. The helmet has several dings, so who knows how many times it smacked the asphault. I'll post pics of my gear later, but I definitely tumbled. I think I would have had a concussion regardless.

Originally posted by beats
...so you are getting the plate huh?Hey Beats! Sorry 'bout the slander man. Hey everyone, it's MR. Beats, not DR. Beats okay? Actually I got a Titanium rod. It's a new technique. The rod is held by two nuts, like a wheel axle, and will be removed in about eight weeks with a minor surgery. Pretty nifty, huh? This technique is supposed to be better than plating because it's less invasive - just two small incisions. Also, they don't have to scrape off the periosteum so it heals quicker. The operation was trippy, but I'm coming off the pain meds already. I’ll letcha know how recovery goes.

Everyone else, I really appreciate all the kind words and advice. I'll be back.

federonline
10-18-2002, 10:34 AM
Smoothie wrote:
Even if I just go out and do a whole day of 2:20s, I'm going back to Thunderhill.

I hope I get to go WITH you next time...it'll save me about 8 hours behind the wheel hauling your gear around...:teeth

Seriously...I'll time your laps...

DanZX9R
10-18-2002, 01:32 PM
Sherman,
Heal up soon !!! We still need to go do a non stunting lap of the east bay!
Let me know if you need any help with your bike! I have already joinded the club and I know how shitty it is to try to work on any thing with a broken collar bone!

budman
10-18-2002, 04:32 PM
I finally got the time to read the LONG post. Great job.
Many of those things I can relate to.
I hope that the recovery is going well. Looks like your just chillin :teeth picture tells a good story.

Speedy and full recovery to you!

:smoking