Looking for tips on Infinion?

[purluv420]

So my first race weekend will be this coming Memorial day weekend at Infinion and was hoping I could get some pointers for the track. I've only been there once and am not sure about my times since I didn't have a lap timer then.

Just looking for tips on certain turns to be aware of because of there tendency to off riders and what not. Also would be helpful to know what corners are the best for passing and what corners are the worse choice for passing. Anything else you know that might help would be appreciated as well.

Thanks!!

[Snoggin]

good luck, I think Sears takes a day or so to get comfy with so you may not have too much comfort before the races. turn 9 chicane is tricky the first few times and same with 11. turn 2 is off camber blind and sends alot of people sliding so just take it easy for the first day and figure it out.

[purluv420]

As people have recommended I'm going to practice on Sat. and if my times are competetive with at least the last rider I will race on sunday but if I'm dead last by a clear margin I will bow out until Thill. Thanks for the heads up!!

[Kurt]

Originally posted by purluv420
So my first race weekend will be this coming Memorial day weekend at Infinion and was hoping I could get some pointers for the track.

Anything else you know that might help would be appreciated as well.



Keep the throttle open, don't use the brake much.

[eeeeek]

Originally posted by purluv420
As people have recommended I'm going to practice on Sat. and if my times are competetive with at least the last rider I will race on sunday but if I'm dead last by a clear margin I will bow out until Thill. Thanks for the heads up!!

Don't underestimate the power of actually racing. If I had applies that theory, I would not have run my first race.

I kid you not, I dropped a full six seconds a lap from my best practice time when I went out in my first race.

[DaveToo]

Originally posted by Kurt
Keep the throttle open, don't use the brake much.

Zoran? Is Kurt channeling you?

[GPgofast]

Kurt IS Zoran's personal "Meat Puppet". You can almost "hear" Zoran's voice when Kurt speaks now!!!!

[Zerox]

I vote T3 as the worst place to pass, and T7 as the best. Since you're a new racer on a 160-hp bike (aka Worst Case Scenario) I would also caution you to be extremely careful with the throttle in T2 which goes offcamber at the exit, LOTS of highsides in T2.

[Kurt]

Originally posted by GPgofast
Kurt IS Zoran's personal "Meat Puppet". You can almost "hear" Zoran's voice when Kurt speaks now!!!!

noow all I have to do is vork on making grammer worst. :)

[purluv420]

Originally posted by afm956
caution you to be extremely careful with the throttle in T2 which goes offcamber at the exit, LOTS of highsides in T2.

The one time I was there I found that letting off the throttle just a tad as I began to crest the hill at two would settle the suspension and allow me to get back on it hard, would this be the correct way to handle it or completely wrong?

[kiltwearinfool]

For some odd reason, I've always found 3a to be more upsetting than 2. It feels more off camber to me (2 is dead flat mid-turn), and I feel that I am drifting more to the outside of the track because it's downhill to 4, and my suspension is unloading. Whereas the exit of 2 is nice and wide and uphill a bit. It may just be mental to me.

The whole run downhill from 4 through 5 into the carrousel has a lot of place to pass. The exit of 6 into 7 as well, if you are good on the brakes. There's a "lane" that takes you all the way around the double-apex 7 with good speed and little mid-corner adjustment. You may get passed in 10 and the entry to 11 as well, the KFGs are quick through there.

this is a decent video that Holeshot made following Trackho:
http://www.southbayriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12539

[christofu]

Originally posted by afm956
I vote T3 as the worst place to pass,

Not for me. T3 is a great place to pass. I go around the outside in part 1 then take away the inside for part 2. I don't even let off the throttle for part 1 :laughing

It's a close pass but seems reasonably safe.

[christofu]

Oh well, I might as well tell you everything. My bike has little power compared to the big bikes, so at least in practice and in F-IV the following "favorite" spots to pass are OUT:

* T7
* Entry to the new T9
* T11

The best spots for me to pass are:

* Around the outside in T1 (again, I don't let off the throttle. People who scream past me on the straight and gain 20-30 bike lengths lose it all back in T1)
* As mentioned above, with an outside-inside move in T3
* T4
* Around the outside in T6. This is less than effective though because I usually get out-horsepowered down the straight
* At the exit of T8a

[Dar25]

Entry to 7 is fun place to pass, just watch out for a little crest which may send your rear up in the air if you are hard on the brakes as you crest it. ;)

For for rear slides out of 2 and out of 9 chicane. :teeth

[tiltedworld]

Originally posted by christofu
Not for me. T3 is a great place to pass. I go around the outside in part 1 then take away the inside for part 2. I don't even let off the throttle for part 1 :laughing

It's a close pass but seems reasonably safe.

I like doing that out of T6, especially if its a more powerful bike. Go around the outside through most of the turn, then lay off, straighten up a little and readjust my line to the inside and outdrive the passee to T7.

I've been tempted by that T3 pass but its still to dicey to me at my speed. Maybe once I'm quicker through 3a though.

[Zerox]

Originally posted by christofu
Not for me. T3 is a great place to pass. I go around the outside in part 1 then take away the inside for part 2.

That's the reason I think it's a hairy spot to pass because it's such a quick flick going from dragging your left knee in 3 to dragging your right knee in 3A, so the passee might not see the passer til it's too late. I do pass people in 3-3A, it's just a spot to be sure you get far enough ahead to ensure the other bike is aware they've been stuffed before 3A.

I'd rather play it safe and concentrate on getting good drive out of 3A so I can steal the line from the other bike while trail-braking into T4 (hey what's up Liko?) :cool

[Manu ®]

T4 is great! If you trail brake deep enough, you can actuall pass a lot of people there. Then you can try to make it stick and put some more distance by going strong in T6. T1-T2 is actually a decent place to pass, you can take the outside on T1 and pass on the inside of T2.

[purluv420]

Thanks for all the info, I'm sure it will come in handy next year some time since I'm sure I'll be in the background for a while until I get up to mid pack pace. Then again that may never happeb so I can always dream of passing people just the way you guys explain it.:laughing

[Robert R1]

Go fast through the fast sections and try not to highside in the slow corners trying to make up time and you'll do fine at Sears.

[kiltwearinfool]

true. sometimes the simple things are the best.

[Zerox]

Good point, and again since it's a first-race dude, your #1 priority should be to get through the entire weekend in Learning Mode, not I Am The Second Coming of Barry Sheene mode. ;)

Have some patience with your speed, it will arrive in due course but you can't eat the whole plate all at once, gotta take it in small bites or you'll mess up your race-career digestion.

[GPgofast]

As a reference, in my SHORT career with the AFM I have either passed OR been passed in EVERY corner at Infineon while racing or practicing. There are MANY oportunities at this track. GP

[purluv420]

Originally posted by afm956
Good point, and again since it's a first-race dude, your #1 priority should be to get through the entire weekend in Learning Mode, not I Am The Second Coming of Barry Sheene mode. ;)

Have some patience with your speed, it will arrive in due course but you can't eat the whole plate all at once, gotta take it in small bites or you'll mess up your race-career digestion.

I hear you for sure, my first goal this weekend is to finish both races and to not be last but the first is my main priority, that is if practice goes well and I enter any at all

[Ducky_Fresh]

Originally posted by GPgofast
As a reference, in my SHORT career with the AFM I have either passed OR been passed in EVERY corner at Infineon while racing or practicing. There are MANY oportunities at this track. GP

Well when you get really damn fast, it becomes harder to pass in a lot of places at this track. Since Sears has so many turns that if you don't take one right, you fuck up the next..

I mean, we'll take FP for example. Earnest had no excellent opportunities to pass stanton. Granted, I think Dave ran a great race and didn't really leave many opportunities either.

I guess what I'm saying, is that at some point the fast lines are set, to deviate from them will only hurt you. All you can count on is an error for the person you're trying to pass and capitalizing on it.

[GPgofast]

Also, if 2 guys are running with a couple of tenths of each other there are very FEW places a pass can be made. This does not happen offten in the AFM but in the FP races it can. GP

[Ducky_Fresh]

GP, enter your wifes bike in 650T. Show me the lines! :)

[NorCal Factory]

One thing I noticed the AMA riders doing in practice was testing their max breaking points into turns 4,7 and especially 9 with many overshooting and taking the runoff.

I figured there were two reasons. One was to figure out the point of not making turn and the other (for T9) was because the wind started to blow 20 mph and probably added to their speed down the preceeding straight which made them blow the turn when they couldn't get it slowed down enough.

Give it a shot in practice.