speeding ?S for pack of riders

[sparkyincali]

Couple of ?s for you guys.Got pulled over by chp when there was a group of us riding and we all got tickets for speeding.The chp car was following one of the bikes at the rear and was speeding up to catch up to a couple of us so he was going faster than we were but we all got ticketed for that speed.Also if there was a citing officer and an arresting officer and you dispute teh ticket which one or both has t come to court?

[Noid]

Both officers must show up for the trial. Why? Because you have a legal right to cross examine all adverse parties involved. So how are you going to do that if one of them isn't there.

[silversvs]

If there are two officer listed then both have to show up.

If the arresting officer can clearly articulate how he/she guaged your speed as a pack of riders, then the tickets will likely stand. Hard to say by your description how things occurred. If one rider was the slowest and the rest were slightly faster the officer can articulate that you were all going at least as fast as the slowest rider. If that speed was in excess of the limit, then righteuos tickets for all.

I am always impressed by officers who can get more than two vehicles stopped at one time.

[sparkyincali]

we had just got on the freeway and two of them got held up by traffic when merging so they were having to go faster than us to catch up.I just wonder how he can estimate speed on all when a couple of them were catching up to riders ahead.I'll take the ticket if I have to since I know I have done many things and never got ticketed for them but of course like all I would prefer not to and I dont think the speed he stated wascorrect

[motorman4life]

Originally posted by sparkyincali
I dont think the speed he stated wascorrect
If you were cited for 22350 CVC and you acknowledge you were going just 1 mph over the posted limit, then you were cited correctly.

People come in to court all the time.. "I was cited for going 45 in a 25 and I know FOR SURE I was only going 40." <bzzzzt> Guilty.

What section number and speed were you cited for? What was the posted speed limit and what speed do you think you were going (honestly)?

[ridersblock]

What if a group of riders were speeding, 1/2 the group pulls over, and the other 1/2 speeds away, do you give tickets to those who stopped or chase the ones who decided to run?

[motorman4life]

It depends. I usually pick out one bike in a crowd that either looks the most out of control or is being the biggest idiot and go for that one. It pays to NOT stand out in a crowd.

All things being equal, I'll go after the runners. :teeth

[Dougmo531]

Originally posted by motorman4life
It depends. I usually pick out one bike in a crowd that either looks the most out of control or is being the biggest idiot and go for that one. It pays to NOT stand out in a crowd.

All things being equal, I'll go after the runners. :teeth

What Motorman said, if everyone is riding idiotic then the one with the most mechanical violations (no mirror, no plate, no turn signals etc...)

[sparkyincali]

ticket was for vc22349

[Burner]

I heard cops go for the leader a lot of the time; is that true?

[XXshawnXX]

shit i got ticketed as a leader no one else got anything

[motorman4life]

Originally posted by Burner
I heard cops go for the leader a lot of the time; is that true?

In a pack of traffic, if anyone is going faster than the leader for too long.. they will pass the leader. Then they become the leader!

If the "leader" is setting the pace and the trailing vehicles are just keeping up (and assuming the whole group is driving too fast for conditions), I will go for the leader. Many times the whole group stops with the leader, such as if they are in a role of "ride captain" or chapter/club president.

Sometimes there are individuals playing "catch-up" within a stretched out group (behind the leader) too. When you lead, it is important that you make changes in speed gradually to avoid a "whiplash" or accordian effect. This can tend to cause your group to APPEAR to be more reckless and undisciplined. It also gives the illusion, to a casual observer, that the group is travelling much faster than they really are as a whole.

Each case is different and unfolds in a unique way depending on reactions of members in the group and the officer's experience/training and what violation they may have observed that prompted the stop.

[thendougsaid]

hmm i got a ticket today for going 63 in a 45 zone... 22350vc. if i go to court.. and SAY i was going 45... how likely am i to get out of it?

[DarthRider]

Originally posted by thendougsaid
hmm i got a ticket today for going 63 in a 45 zone... 22350vc. if i go to court.. and SAY i was going 45... how likely am i to get out of it?
For one you will be committing perjury and two unless the officer that issued you the cite doesn't show up you're screwed. The majority of the time the judge will side with the officer. If it's just your word vs. his/hers what do you think would happen?