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High Speed
10-31-2002, 01:25 PM
This is kind of a transfer from another post concerning car times to bike times.
CART cars times at Laguna on new track configuration are 1:08 or less.
What is the fastest motorcycle times anyone has heard of on same track layout?
Harry
Big Daddy
10-31-2002, 02:29 PM
Harry I'm not exactly clear as to whom (maybe Gobert) but if my poor memory serves me at all I do believe its a 1:26 or 1:25. Quite a bit sloooooower than champ cars or Indy cars or even Indy Lights.

BD
MackeyStingray
10-31-2002, 02:34 PM
Quite a bit sloooooower than champ cars or Indy cars or even Indy Lights. but who has more fun? :thumbup :D
Big Daddy
10-31-2002, 02:48 PM
Calvin me thinks your on to something there :p two wheelers!!

BD
kneedrag
10-31-2002, 03:16 PM
Colin Edwards, Honda RC51, 1:24.888
Big Daddy
10-31-2002, 03:20 PM
Mmmmmmm, memory zuks:(

BD
NoQuarter
10-31-2002, 03:33 PM
The bike lap record is 1:24.833, set by Troy Bayliss in provisional qualifying last WSB race there.

Any serious race car will out run bikes due to all the extra grip provided by the downforce from the wings. With no extra downforce to help, bikes can only manage slightly more than 1g of lateral grip... whereas Formula 1 cars rocket around highspeed corners up over 4g's at times. The aero downforce also helps acceleration and braking for the same reason.

Compare MotoGP and F1 record pole position times at Suzuka this year for example:

MotoGP 2:04.226 Rossi
F1 1:31.317 Schumacher

It's ironic how much faster street bikes are than street cars (I seem to recall a head to head comparo at Willow Springs with a GSXR1000 and a Vette Z06 last year?), but then the reverse is true at the top levels of the sports.
kneedrag
10-31-2002, 04:03 PM
I stand corrected
Holeshot
10-31-2002, 10:49 PM
Kevin Schwantz was the pilot of both those Dave.

Good article that really pisses the car guys off. It's hard for me...being both car and moto guy.
Robert R1
11-01-2002, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by NoQuarter
The bike lap record is 1:24.833, set by Troy Bayliss in provisional qualifying last WSB race there.

Any serious race car will out run bikes due to all the extra grip provided by the downforce from the wings. With no extra downforce to help, bikes can only manage slightly more than 1g of lateral grip... whereas Formula 1 cars rocket around highspeed corners up over 4g's at times. The aero downforce also helps acceleration and braking for the same reason.

Compare MotoGP and F1 record pole position times at Suzuka this year for example:

MotoGP 2:04.226 Rossi
F1 1:31.317 Schumacher

It's ironic how much faster street bikes are than street cars (I seem to recall a head to head comparo at Willow Springs with a GSXR1000 and a Vette Z06 last year?), but then the reverse is true at the top levels of the sports.

Excellent summary. It's funny when I hear people taking about bikes being the "fastest" thing.

Also, I'm sure a F1 car could manage low 1:00's or below at Laguna in Qualifying Trim.

Personally, I would choose racing F1 over Bikes anyday.
rdcyclist
11-01-2002, 07:50 AM
About 12 years ago or so one of the racing rags did a comparo at WillowSprings with a 250 GP bike and a 250 SuperKart using the same motor in both. At the time none of the SuperKarts were using aero aids. The kart was 10 seconds a lap faster than the bike. I'm pretty sure the delta hasn't changed.

How fast were Fast Eddie and Wayne at the SuperKart race a coupla months ago at Laguna?
budman
11-01-2002, 08:57 AM
In the old days practicing at Sears they would let Karts out with the bikes...and I got to see first hand that they rail around the corners...passing me on the outside of the Carousel like I was tied to a post...

Like it has been said above...they have the laws of Physics on they side...but you can hang off a kart! :teeth

:smoking
Big Daddy
11-01-2002, 09:54 AM
Hell you say!!! we could design a full body slider and give it a go after a few Bud :Port

BD
L8BRAKER
11-01-2002, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by budmanR6
In the old days practicing at Sears they would let Karts out with the bikes...and I got to see first hand that they rail around the corners...passing me on the outside of the Carousel like I was tied to a post...

Like it has been said above...they have the laws of Physics on they side...but you can hang off a kart! :teeth

:smoking

Hey Bud, are you ok? Your typing as if you were Mike Tyson! :teeth Joe has some killer info. for you about body work for your Quacker.:twofinger

L8