Legality of popular modifications [Archive] - BARF

wilit

06-02-2005, 04:04 PM

Budbandit's latest squid observation (http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121994&perpage=15&pagenumber=1) got me thinking about getting pulled over for what seems like popular fix-it tickets.

Granted I already know that not having a light to illuminate the license plate is illegal (v.c. 24601) but what's the legality of completing other popular mods? I've heard of people getting tickets for having their rear turn signals integrated with the tail/brake lights, but from what I can figure out, it seems to be perfectly legal (v.c. 24600, 25108, 25109).

Also, what's the rule when giving a exhaust ticket (v.c. 27201)? I've had and heard of people getting tickets without the officer having a decibel meter.

Dougmo531

06-02-2005, 05:07 PM

26101 V.C. modifying lighting equipment. Can't do it...
27150 V.C. for exhaust.

drizz

06-02-2005, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Dougmo531
26101 V.C. modifying lighting equipment. Can't do it...
27150 V.C. for exhaust.

27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.

why does this mean nothing aftermarket?? I mean, besides D&D and Yoshi which do cause excessive noise...

silversvs

06-02-2005, 10:49 PM

In my book, vehicle modifications are an invitation for me to pull over the driver. That way I can see who they are, if they are wanted, if they are under the influence, and if they are involved in some type of criminal activity. Once I determine that none of that is the case I send the driver off with a warning to get the item fixed. In other words I don't write fix-it type tickets.

Now motor officers......they're another breed. A ticket is a ticket. If you want to modify your ride, you know you are taking the chance of getting a ticket.

wilit

06-02-2005, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Dougmo531
26101 V.C. modifying lighting equipment. Can't do it...
27150 V.C. for exhaust.

If you read 26101 and 26104 which 101 references, as long as whatever you change has a DOT stamp on it, it should be legal.

And for 27150, read 27151.

kxmike

06-08-2005, 10:26 AM

I have a legally registered 49 state r6 here in CA. It has an aftermarket exhaust. Can I legally run this exhaust ? (because it's an out of state bike) ....think I already know the answer, just hoping maybe....:teeth

Webdev511

06-09-2005, 07:38 PM

Does it have a DOT compliance stamp?

motorman4life

06-09-2005, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by silversvs
...I don't write fix-it type tickets.

Now motor officers......they're another breed.
Thanks for the props silversvs!

I get paid to write tickets. :cool I have been reminded repeatedly, it is not my job to give warnings.

If I stop someone, the chance they won't be getting a ticket for SOME violation is about 1%. Please don't think of us as ruthless or blackhearted.. it's just a job. And no, we don't get paid extra to write our Mother.. ;)

DaveToo

06-10-2005, 12:00 AM

But you don't scratch those straight-pipe RUB Harleys because they're saving lives?

b.rock

06-10-2005, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by motorman4life
Thanks for the props silversvs!

I get paid to write tickets. :cool I have been reminded repeatedly, it is not my job to give warnings.

If I stop someone, the chance they won't be getting a ticket for SOME violation is about 1%. Please don't think of us as ruthless or blackhearted.. it's just a job. And no, we don't get paid extra to write our Mother.. ;)
So the next time I get stopped by a traffic cop I might as well get my $186 worth of lip in there! :laughing
Hey officer, you know where you can stick that ticket? Yeah, so far up it tickles your mustache and knocks those glasses off your face! :p ;)
I'm totally kidding there. But really, not to knock your job but shouldn't the priority (which I know you don't set) to make sure people drive safely? :confused
Thanks!

motorman4life

06-10-2005, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by DaveToo
But you don't scratch those straight-pipe RUB Harleys because they're saving lives?
Huh? What is a RUB Harley?

Everyone gets cited equally.. Hells Angels flying colors on their choppers and a van full of Nuns, I don't care. The only guy I have warned this year was the cook at the Chinese restaurant I frequent... I'm not into Kung Pow Pomeranian or Sweet & Sour Feline!

motorman4life

06-10-2005, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by b.rock
But really, not to knock your job but shouldn't the priority (which I know you don't set) to make sure people drive safely? :confused

I am constantly looking for violations that are most frequent collision factors; drunk driving, speeding, tailgating, unsafe lange changes, red light violations. But, all kinds of minor things can cause or contribute to accidents and injuries.. obstructed view from tinted windows, opening doors into traffic when unsafe, seatbelt and child carseat violations, equipment violations.. keep in mind there are also people that should not be driving (no matter how safe they may be), like thousands of unlicensed and suspended drivers as well as people in stolen cars. Sometimes a minor infraction can result in snagging them too!

Yes, my priority is to make sure people drive safely. And, while giving them a ticket for violating the law is no guarantee they will drive safely, neither is giving them a verbal or written warning.

Hey, how about some friggin' highlights from the past week?

"Officer, can you give me a warning? I got a speeding ticket yesterday and I think I'm close to losing my license.."

"Can't you give me a break? I just took traffic school last month and I'm not eligible for like another 17 months."

"Hey, don't you remember me? You gave me my VERY FIRST ticket, like 3 years ago! Can't you just give me a warning, for old times sake?"

"Damn! Why are you giving me a ticket? The last 3 officers just warned me!"

svclee

06-10-2005, 01:02 AM

how about you concentrate our hard earned tax money on the bad bad things in this world. Sure use vehicle violations to pull someone over for suspicion, but if they are clean let them go. Just by you guys giving us hard working people tickets we now have a hassle of having to clear that ticket and paying more money and time out of our ass..you might say , then dont modify the bike...well not everyone does, sometimes the bike comes that way when you buy used..and thats just the way it is...there are so many worse crimes in this world happening..a louder then stock exhaust is such a crime compared to the guy who is down the street raping some young girl, or some guy robbing a store, or some kids beating up and robbing people...get a life and go after the real crime...i once wanted to be a cop but now i see why i dont want to be a cop...ya its just a job but us innocent people who make this world go round have jobs we need to do too, kids to feed, bills to pay, life to deal with...go fight some real crime..

and dont get me wrong..i respect cops and always have and always will...

motorman4life

06-10-2005, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by svclee
..compared to the guy who is down the street raping some young girl, or some guy robbing a store, or some kids beating up and robbing people...get a life and go after the real crime...go fight some real crime..
I'm not sure if you are saying that you think I would disregard a girl being raped or a robbery in-progress in favor of a traffic infraction or if you just don't agree with 90% of the CA vehicle code. If you don't agree with the laws, write your representatives.

The people that pay taxes write their reps and ask for laws prohibiting loud exhaust pipes. They keep getting elected and they keep passing laws that they feel will make you safer or make your community better. I don't make the laws and I am not the judge either. Like it or not, I am a traffic officer. My job is to enforce the vehicle code, investigate accidents and write traffic tickets. I am always ready to "pitch in" in the pursuit of "real" criminals, when the opportunity avails itself. But, between robberies and rapes, I am tasked with the chore of seeking out minor violations. Think of me as a roving metermaid. Hey, I get paid to ride a motorcycle and it goes with the territory.

There are many facets to law enforcement and not every peace officer is cut out for all of the different jobs, just as not everyone is suitable for a job as a K-9 officer, a narcotics officer or a SWAT officer.

Oh, and next time you get stopped by a cop, after you tell him (or her) that you REALLY respect cops, be sure to tell them to "go fight some real crime!" We all love to be told that by violators. Really, we do.

Hmmm.. last time I heard that on a stop it was from another good citizen such as yourself that also said he had wanted to be a cop. Unfortunately, on that day he was borrowing his grandmother's car and decided to park in a handcapped space using her disabled placard to "impress" his friends. He was arrested for the misdemeanor violation. It might have been you because as I recall, he also told me I was a jerk because I should be out saving kids from rapists and kidnappers. Of course, I asked him if he knew where there were any kids being raped or kidnapped and he replied, "That's your job!"

K-dog

06-10-2005, 02:35 AM

StuntrHuntr

06-10-2005, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by K-dog
I don't hold it against them, but I sure hope they radioed someone, that guy was dangerous.
Everyone thinks the other guys are the criminals.. it's called, "What about him.." syndrome.

Motorman4life is 100% right. The devil is in the details. There are thousands of "minor" violations that can lead or contribute to serious traffic accidents as well as the errosion of the quality of life in our communities. Where do you draw the line? "Well, I know it SAYS you can't have loud pipes or a modified exhaust, but awww.. it sounds cool and who really cares anyhow? Have a <cough> nice day!"

Litttering? Psshaw.. that's minor. Everyone litters! C'mon, let's all litter! Umm.. Bald tires.. well, who can afford new tires nowadays? No side mirrors? Hell! Who uses mirrors? That's what signals and horns are for! Move over sucka!

And, we don't need to enforce red lights or speed limits.. little kids need to be protected from poison candy at halloween! Where are your priorities? Just because over 500 people are killed each year in California from red light runners and speed-related crashes and in reality, NO KID HAS EVER actually been harmed by tainted halloween candy (all cases have been proven to have been self inflicted incidents, staged for attention). C'mon, those are technicalities!

We know how it goes.. you shouldn't get cited for tailgating or unsafe lane change, but the guy that cuts you off deserves the death penalty! (That is part of the new road rage pledge, I believe). And, I know.. you pay my wages (or at least your mother does).

svclee, maybe when you grow up, you'll understand.

K-dog

06-10-2005, 03:53 AM

Maybe, but I didn't understand it just now. TBH, what I had done, and why I was standing there with 3 cops, was probably equal to what we watched this guy do right in front of us. I have no problem with them not letting me go, and really no problem with the cop's involved at all, but it was slightly strange to watch.

Is that weird to want them to tell someone?

StuntrHuntr

06-10-2005, 03:56 AM

K-dog.. you ever go fishing?

K-dog

06-10-2005, 03:58 AM

Been a long time. You mean trolling?

StuntrHuntr

06-10-2005, 03:59 AM

Do you catch ALL the fish?

K-dog

06-10-2005, 04:05 AM

Heh, good call. Well there seem to be a lot of you, so I was hopeful. I also read properly now, that I was replying to part of you're reply that wasn't even in reply to my reply. If I'm making any sense. Anyway as for the poison candy factor, I am in full agreeance with you there. California wants a lot of crazy things enforced, write legislature, and they are like yah, but all the crazy mom's write us more! I need a bigger printer! Thanks for your time stuntrhuntr.

BigCorySBFMC707

06-10-2005, 08:52 AM

So exactly how do you guys determine that the pipe is too loud? I am pretty sure that most cops bikes are louder than my slip on yoshi. Just curious, do you have a meter or something or is this one of those things we just have to take your word on it. If so, when we go to court, do we go outside and measure it then?

b.rock

06-10-2005, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by motorman4life
I am constantly looking for violations that are most frequent collision factors; drunk driving, speeding, tailgating, unsafe lange changes, red light violations. But, all kinds of minor things can cause or contribute to accidents and injuries.. obstructed view from tinted windows, opening doors into traffic when unsafe, seatbelt and child carseat violations, equipment violations.. keep in mind there are also people that should not be driving (no matter how safe they may be), like thousands of unlicensed and suspended drivers as well as people in stolen cars. Sometimes a minor infraction can result in snagging them too!

Yes, my priority is to make sure people drive safely. And, while giving them a ticket for violating the law is no guarantee they will drive safely, neither is giving them a verbal or written warning.

Hey, how about some friggin' highlights from the past week?

"Officer, can you give me a warning? I got a speeding ticket yesterday and I think I'm close to losing my license.."

"Can't you give me a break? I just took traffic school last month and I'm not eligible for like another 17 months."

"Hey, don't you remember me? You gave me my VERY FIRST ticket, like 3 years ago! Can't you just give me a warning, for old times sake?"

"Damn! Why are you giving me a ticket? The last 3 officers just warned me!"
I would never say there are not a lot of morons in the world. All I was getting at was that a lot of times people probably don't realize they're doing something so wrong, and getting pulled over will make it loud and clear. A ticket even more so of course.
I understand that if you pull someone over there's some good reason (hopefully!) All I was getting at is that a lot of things are really minor in the grand scheme of things and a lot of us would rather see more people busted for not signalling when changing lanes, following too close, etc. as opposed to pipes. BUT if you do get pipes, please pull over some rice rocket cars to even the score out! :laughing

DaveToo

06-10-2005, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by motorman4life
Huh? What is a RUB Harley?

Everyone gets cited equally.. Hells Angels flying colors on their choppers and a van full of Nuns, I don't care. The only guy I have warned this year was the cook at the Chinese restaurant I frequent... I'm not into Kung Pow Pomeranian or Sweet & Sour Feline!

Rich Urban Bikers. I hate those goddamned straight pipes.

svclee

06-10-2005, 01:34 PM

Hmmm.. last time I heard that on a stop it was from another good citizen such as yourself that also said he had wanted to be a cop. Unfortunately, on that day he was borrowing his grandmother's car and decided to park in a handcapped space using her disabled placard to "impress" his friends. He was arrested for the misdemeanor violation. It might have been you because as I recall, he also told me I was a jerk because I should be out saving kids from rapists and kidnappers. Of course, I asked him if he knew where there were any kids being raped or kidnapped and he replied, "That's your job!" [/B][/QUOTE]

Nope wasnt me..i wouldnt do something dumb like that...Didnt know they had just traffic cops who just do traffic violations..that sucks..I guess im mad because i grew up in a town full of violence called Salinas..Alot of cops there do nothing but want to stop people for dumb violations, such as loud exhuast. When cruising right by them is a car full or crips or bloods or what not with no seatbelts smoking some weed with a sbunch of smoke coming out the car and you can clearly smell the shiet. Yup ive seen it happen..Alot of cops are scared to face the reality of the streets because they are scared to die and i would be too, but hey its the job they chose so it comes with the territory....I guess i should say if i were to be a cop, i would want to be a cop who can make a change for the better in this world..being a traffic cop sucks..sorry just my opinion..but i guess someone has to do it.... :angel

svclee

06-10-2005, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by StuntrHuntr

svclee, maybe when you grow up, you'll understand.

Or how about maybe we just dont have the same outlook in life or opinions..?

I am all grown up..24 years old, 2 kids, married, 2 jobs, steady honest income...take care of everything a man should do..and still have time to take a nice ride to relax...

I understand there are laws for reasons, but sometimes things are taken too far..and in my opinion, this is already too far...

Classic example..loud harley stock vs the modified exhaust on a sportbike..harley is still louder yet we get cited because we changed the pipe. Why dont harley manufacturs go by the same standards as to bring exhaust tone down also?

i know there is more to it then i can ever read about, or be taught..all im saying is...IT SUCKS =)

so have a nice day..im tired..:zzz

BigCorySBFMC707

06-10-2005, 03:06 PM

Now that you mentioned it, is there different rules for loud ass harleys compared to sport bikes? I have yet to hear a quiet harley

svclee

06-10-2005, 03:09 PM

StuntrHuntr

do you have a motorcycle and ride it? Or u just cruising BARF for police reasons?

StuntrHuntr

06-10-2005, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by svclee
StuntrHuntr

do you have a motorcycle and ride it? Or u just cruising BARF for police reasons?
I have been an avid rider here in the Bay Area for over 18 years. I've been a motorcop for the past 7 years. When I started on motors, I rode the Kawi KZ1000P. We switched to Harleys about 4 years ago. I also used to commute 100 miles a day on a Shadow, then a Valkyrie. Now, I live closer to work.

I ride a Suzuki GSX to-and-from work. I ride a H-D Road King at work all day, every day, rain or shine. I ride a 2002 Gold Wing on weekends. I rode over 1400 miles on the GSX over Memorial Day weekend and I'm riding down to L.A. on the 'Wing next week.

Why do you ask?

BigCorySBFMC707

06-10-2005, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by StuntrHuntr
I have been an avid rider here in the Bay Area for over 18 years. I've been a motorcop for the past 7 years. When I started on motors, I rode the Kawi KZ1000P. We switched to Harleys about 4 years ago. I also used to commute 100 miles a day on a Shadow, then a Valkyrie. Now, I live closer to work.

I ride a Suzuki GSX to-and-from work. I ride a H-D Road King at work all day, every day, rain or shine. I ride a 2002 Gold Wing on weekends. I rode over 1400 miles on the GSX over Memorial Day weekend and I'm riding down to L.A. on the 'Wing next week.

Why do you ask?

just curious but gsx-f or gsx-r?

motorman4life

06-10-2005, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by BigCorySBFMC707
Now that you mentioned it, is there different rules for loud ass harleys compared to sport bikes? I have yet to hear a quiet harley
Stock Harleys idle well below the legal limit in CA. I believe the SAE standard method of testing must be used, which requires 1500 or 200 rpm and a max of 95db (for cars) at a distance of 50'. I'm not sure exactly because the laws were changed recently and they are different for m/c's and passenger vehicles. I think at idle, most stock Harleys are about 87 to 90db using the SAE testing standard. At 1500 or 2000 rpm, they are above 95db, but just below the m/c db limit. Again, sorry I don't have the exact numbers.. it's my day off!

scrubbed flat

06-10-2005, 07:41 PM

my opinion only harleys need that aftermaket exhaust to get out of trouble with crazy cagers that you guys with 150 hp stock motors dont,ps i run stock exhaust but am tempted after too many lack of midrange pull incidents

BigCorySBFMC707

06-10-2005, 07:50 PM

motorman4life

06-10-2005, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by BigCorySBFMC707
well if the stock harleys are well below at idle, I know that my bike cant be louder than any harley any time so I guess It should be fine. From your experience, have you given many tickets to sport bikes with yoshi pipes on them?
Not that I recall. I have given lots of tickets to Harleys with straight pipes and the new Yamaha Road Stars that try to look/sound like bad-ass Harleys with pipes you can hear a half mile away!

I tag a LOT more cars than bikes.
The most common cites for bikes are speeding, unsafe lane changes without signalling, improper rear plate mounting and exhibition of speed. I find more and more recently there are an increasing number of unlicensed drivers and guys without their class M endorsement riding around like idiots on 2 wheels.

Kaesem

06-10-2005, 09:57 PM

"Motorman4life:

Officer, can you give me a warning? I got a speeding ticket yesterday and I think I'm close to losing my license.."

Can't you give me a break? I just took traffic school last month and I'm not eligible for like another 17 months."

Hey, don't you remember me? You gave me my VERY FIRST ticket, like 3 years ago! Can't you just give me a warning, for old times sake?"

Damn! Why are you giving me a ticket? The last 3 officers just warned me!"

Have you ever thought about giving a warning for the best story of the day?

motorman4life

06-11-2005, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by Kaesem
Have you ever thought about giving a warning for the best story of the day?
No.

K-dog

06-11-2005, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by motorman4life
No. :laughing

Good call motoman, and stntrhuntr, you sure do ride a lot, good game!
:barf

And my hardley idles well below the db requirements. ;)

BigCorySBFMC707

06-11-2005, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by motorman4life
Not that I recall. I have given lots of tickets to Harleys with straight pipes and the new Yamaha Road Stars that try to look/sound like bad-ass Harleys with pipes you can hear a half mile away!

I tag a LOT more cars than bikes.
The most common cites for bikes are speeding, unsafe lane changes without signalling, improper rear plate mounting and exhibition of speed. I find more and more recently there are an increasing number of unlicensed drivers and guys without their class M endorsement riding around like idiots on 2 wheels. thank you

StuntrHuntr

06-11-2005, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by BigCorySBFMC707
just curious but gsx-f or gsx-r?
2000 Suzuki GSX 1200 Inazuma. Rejetted for more power.. which may have been a mistake because it only gets about 18 mpg now :( But, it rocks! :teeth

BigCorySBFMC707

06-11-2005, 11:18 AM

NorCalBusa

06-11-2005, 12:16 PM

Seems every law bike has these little blue running lights to the rear, that are on all the time- not just when on an emrgency call.

What section allows these? I did a CVC search and couldn't find it... need some on the Busa!

BigCorySBFMC707

06-11-2005, 12:28 PM

svclee

06-11-2005, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by StuntrHuntr
2000 Suzuki GSX 1200 Inazuma. Rejetted for more power.. which may have been a mistake because it only gets about 18 mpg now :( But, it rocks! :teeth

since you modified your bike from stock form shouldnt you write yourself a ticket for that and get it fixed asap! :laughing

have you ever had a aftermarket exhaust or mods on any of your bikes?

how about you motordood?

StuntrHuntr

06-12-2005, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by NorCalBusa
Seems every law bike has these little blue running lights to the rear, that are on all the time- not just when on an emrgency call.

What section allows these? I did a CVC search and couldn't find it... need some on the Busa!
Authorized emergency vehicles are exempt from the lighting restrictions that would prohibit you from mounting blue lights on your H'busa.

since you modified your bike from stock form shouldnt you write yourself a ticket for that and get it fixed asap! Have you ever had a aftermarket exhaust or mods on any of your bikes?
No, the modifications were a rejetting and tuning for optimum HP. I have not modified my exhaust system.

ps, Do you really hunt Stunters?
Only when they are in season. :laughing

motorman4life

06-12-2005, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by StuntrHuntr
Do you really hunt Stunters?
Only when they are in season. :laughing
That one did make me laugh! :thumbup
Hey SH, :sniper is there a bag limit?

yandrew

06-12-2005, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by motorman4life
That one did make me laugh! :thumbup
Hey SH, :sniper is there a bag limit?

even though im not a stunter, thats so mean.....:burnout lol

Webdev511

06-12-2005, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by motorman4life
That one did make me laugh! :thumbup
Hey SH, :sniper is there a bag limit?

that's species isn't catch and release is it?

Webdev511

06-12-2005, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by motorman4life
Stock Harleys idle well below the legal limit in CA. I believe the SAE standard method of testing must be used, which requires 1500 or 200 rpm and a max of 95db (for cars) at a distance of 50'. I'm not sure exactly because the laws were changed recently and they are different for m/c's and passenger vehicles. I think at idle, most stock Harleys are about 87 to 90db using the SAE testing standard. At 1500 or 2000 rpm, they are above 95db, but just below the m/c db limit. Again, sorry I don't have the exact numbers.. it's my day off!

According to the EPA In the State of Callfomla, the Califomla HlghwayPetrol (CHP)has establisheda vehicle noise measurement procedureapplicable to motorcyclesn which the maximum A-weighted sound pressurel evel is measured as the motorcycle accelerates past at a 50 foot distancein one of the lower gears under wide open throttle.

OMG, a Harley a wide open throttle at 50 feet? You're kidding when you think these guys would actually pass the limits below aren't you?

CVC Section 27202
For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise limits shall apply to any motorcycle, other than a motor-driven cycle, manufactured:

(1) After 1969, and before 1973 88 dbA
(2) After 1972, and before 1975 86 dbA
(3) After 1974, and before 1986 83 dbA
(4) After 1985 80 dbA

So that 95 number WAS acceptable before the VC was updated.

Just as an FYI, OSHA deems exposure to 95dbA for more than 1 hour a day a SERIOUS hazzard. Seems to me there are going to be a lot of old deaf motorcycle riders out there if they don't clean up thier act.

motorman4life

06-12-2005, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Webdev511
that's species isn't catch and release is it?

Yup, catch, cite and release. We generally only keep 'em if we have to chase them or they refuse to sign. :teeth

Trogdor

06-12-2005, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by b.rock

I'm totally kidding there. But really, not to knock your job but shouldn't the priority (which I know you don't set) to make sure people drive safely? :confused
Thanks!

That is interesting. So the intent of a traffic stop is behavior modification. Somebody did something wrong and dangerous, and that needs to be corrected.

If that person gets a ticket, they might think twice about doing the same thing next time. They now know there are repercussions to their actions. If they get a warning, isn't that like positive reinforcement of the bad behavior? "Hey, I just did XYZ. A cop even saw it, and I still got away with it. Why the hell should I stop doing XYZ?"

A warning will work if you pull someone over and clearly convince them that their driving was bad and that they need to change it. How often do you think that will happen?

deaconblues

06-12-2005, 09:45 PM

here's a question: have any of you guys tagged any of these new 'custom bikes' such as what Ness, Ron Simms, or others put out?

Most of them are built using aftermarket stuff... so theoretically the only thing 'legal' about the bike would be the rolling chassis, the seat, and the motor. Or do they have dispensation as bike builders to manufacture all of that stuff as 'stock'?

BigCorySBFMC707

06-12-2005, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by deaconblues
here's a question: have any of you guys tagged any of these new 'custom bikes' such as what Ness, Ron Simms, or others put out?

Most of them are built using aftermarket stuff... so theoretically the only thing 'legal' about the bike would be the rolling chassis, the seat, and the motor. Or do they have dispensation as bike builders to manufacture all of that stuff as 'stock'?

Good question, and funny that I saw my first Ness bike in person today on the ride. And that bike was LOUD!!!!!!

Dougmo531

06-12-2005, 11:03 PM

Webdev511

06-12-2005, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Dougmo531
They're just as illegal and get stopped too...

"But Officer, I just paid $45,897.39 for this motorcycle, how could it be illegal?"

:rolleyes

Trogdor

06-13-2005, 02:00 AM

NorCalBusa

06-13-2005, 07:51 AM

Bummer, that pretty much reads that I can't bolt some on...thanks for the info.

svclee

06-13-2005, 07:57 AM

Do you coppers ever come out to the BARF meets and say hi?

b.rock

06-13-2005, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Trogdor
That is interesting. So the intent of a traffic stop is behavior modification. Somebody did something wrong and dangerous, and that needs to be corrected.

If that person gets a ticket, they might think twice about doing the same thing next time. They now know there are repercussions to their actions. If they get a warning, isn't that like positive reinforcement of the bad behavior? "Hey, I just did XYZ. A cop even saw it, and I still got away with it. Why the hell should I stop doing XYZ?"

A warning will work if you pull someone over and clearly convince them that their driving was bad and that they need to change it. How often do you think that will happen?
You must have missed when that question was already asked... My reply:
All I was getting at was that a lot of times people probably don't realize they're doing something so wrong, and getting pulled over will make it loud and clear. A ticket even more so of course.
I understand that if you pull someone over there's some good reason (hopefully!) All I was getting at is that a lot of things are really minor in the grand scheme of things and a lot of us would rather see more people busted for not signalling when changing lanes, following too close, etc. as opposed to pipes.

A warning is definitely useful. Think about how life would be like if there were no warnings.

2nsane

06-14-2005, 09:48 PM

OK this Q is for the LEO's

Military stationed here with out of state bikes with the different rules that apply to them in their home of record like the DB limit,
I know that the DB limit on a bike produced after 1975 cannot have more than 99DBA but here in Ca, its like 80dba, also with the lighting I called the DMV today and was told that as long as the blinkers are eather mounted or housed on the bike and when they flash are of a AMBER color it is 100% legal so I asked about intagrating my blinkers into the rear brake light. thats fine as long as your running light is red and brakes are a brighter red and your blinkers are of a AMBER color its still legal. now that being said what are your thoughts on this case by case situation when they arise here in Ca.

Dan.

2nsane

06-15-2005, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by 2nsane
OK this Q is for the LEO's

Military stationed here with out of state bikes with the different rules that apply to them in their home of record like the DB limit,
I know that the DB limit on a bike produced after 1975 cannot have more than 99DBA but here in Ca, its like 80dba, also with the lighting I called the DMV today and was told that as long as the blinkers are eather mounted or housed on the bike and when they flash are of a AMBER color it is 100% legal so I asked about intagrating my blinkers into the rear brake light. thats fine as long as your running light is red and brakes are a brighter red and your blinkers are of a AMBER color its still legal. now that being said what are your thoughts on this case by case situation when they arise here in Ca.

Dan.
Any Leo's out there care to take a stab at this? the light info was given to me by the DMV in Oregon. my home of record. if that helps.
TTT

Trogdor

06-15-2005, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by 2nsane
OK this Q is for the LEO's

Military stationed here with out of state bikes with the different rules that apply to them in their home of record like the DB limit,
I know that the DB limit on a bike produced after 1975 cannot have more than 99DBA but here in Ca, its like 80dba, also with the lighting I called the DMV today and was told that as long as the blinkers are eather mounted or housed on the bike and when they flash are of a AMBER color it is 100% legal so I asked about intagrating my blinkers into the rear brake light. thats fine as long as your running light is red and brakes are a brighter red and your blinkers are of a AMBER color its still legal. now that being said what are your thoughts on this case by case situation when they arise here in Ca.

Dan.

Frankly. this post confused me a little. An out of state DMV told you this? And now you are asking point by point about what they told you to see how it compares to CA laws? I think that is what you are asking. But I am not sure.

wickerman777

06-15-2005, 08:18 PM

ok how about those original questions, I'm particularily interested in the one about integrated tail lights. at one point I looked it up and found 2 contradicting vehicle codes. Can't remeber off the top of my head. I know that my old 66 cj5 jeep used dual filament bulbs stock as both the brake and signal lights. I have integrated tail lights on my bike but have spliced in turn signals in case I'm out of compliance. Way more wires than I need complicating my bikes harness. Just curious.

2nsane

06-15-2005, 08:25 PM

ok mabey I did just that confused ya, soory.

anyway's I was wondering how you treat Military folk statiioned here in Ca, with bikes lisc and reg in their home of record like oregon that have diffent more leinient laws on modifacation or alterations that are compleetly legal there but not in Ca.
I am asking I guess do you treat us the same since we have out of state bikes not registerd here just here on Military Orders. and have mods that are legal in other states Like Oregon but not legal on Ca. would you give tickets for mods the same you would a Ca registerd bike.
hope that helps. a little more.

Dan

Trogdor

06-15-2005, 09:12 PM

That clarifies. Cars on CA roads are subject to CA laws. Including all equipment mods. Generally you aren't going to cite Arizone grandma for tinted windows on her way through CA to Oregon.

As military, you are exempt from CA registration and licensing requirements. But the car or bike here must still me CA street legal. Generally military people get a decent amount of courtesy from cops. So a cite will vary from cop to cop and depend a lot on your attitude.

2nsane

06-15-2005, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by Trogdor
That clarifies. Cars on CA roads are subject to CA laws. Including all equipment mods. Generally you aren't going to cite Arizone grandma for tinted windows on her way through CA to Oregon.

As military, you are exempt from CA registration and licensing requirements. But the car or bike here must still me CA street legal. Generally military people get a decent amount of courtesy from cops. So a cite will vary from cop to cop and depend a lot on your attitude.
yea I was just wondering your thoughts on it.
thanks.

Dan

silversvs

06-15-2005, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by Trogdor
That clarifies. Cars on CA roads are subject to CA laws. Including all equipment mods.

Um, no. We cannot cite a car registered in Arizona for something that is an equipment violation in California, but legal in Arizona. The tinted windows are an excellent example.

There was recent case law where an officer made a stop on an out of state car for not having a front plate (illegal in CA). The state where the car was registered only required a rear plate. The officer had found major dope during the stop. The whole case was tossed because the officer had no right to stop the car.

We can of course enforce all moving violations, even if they are permitted in the state where the car is registered.

Trogdor

06-16-2005, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by silversvs
Um, no. We cannot cite a car registered in Arizona for something that is an equipment violation in California, but legal in Arizona. The tinted windows are an excellent example.

There was recent case law where an officer made a stop on an out of state car for not having a front plate (illegal in CA). The state where the car was registered only required a rear plate. The officer had found major dope during the stop. The whole case was tossed because the officer had no right to stop the car.

We can of course enforce all moving violations, even if they are permitted in the state where the car is registered.

5200 VC is specific about 'when two plates are issued by the agency'. In the case mentioned, it was a bad stop because the car had only one issued by their DMV. It was therefore fully complient with CVC. It doesn't follow from that case that you cannot cite for other CVC violations that may not be violations in other states.

Dougmo531

06-16-2005, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by svclee
Do you coppers ever come out to the BARF meets and say hi?

Yes, been there, done that...

Both the Snell bucks and Fremont bucks...

I'm going to try to make more of the local ones...

Dougmo531

06-16-2005, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by 2nsane
OK this Q is for the LEO's

Military stationed here with out of state bikes with the different rules that apply to them in their home of record like the DB limit,
I know that the DB limit on a bike produced after 1975 cannot have more than 99DBA but here in Ca, its like 80dba, also with the lighting I called the DMV today and was told that as long as the blinkers are eather mounted or housed on the bike and when they flash are of a AMBER color it is 100% legal so I asked about intagrating my blinkers into the rear brake light. thats fine as long as your running light is red and brakes are a brighter red and your blinkers are of a AMBER color its still legal. now that being said what are your thoughts on this case by case situation when they arise here in Ca.

Dan.

I believe the technical side of this has already been answered so... I can only speak for myself on this one. As far as I'm concerned, you may be putting your life on the line for this country just as any law enforcement officer so, military ID is always a verbal warning with me! Drive/ride on and be safe... ;)

Dopesick

06-17-2005, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Dougmo531
26101 V.C. modifying lighting equipment. Can't do it...
27150 V.C. for exhaust.

Originally posted by 2nsane
OK this Q is for the LEO's

Military stationed here with out of state bikes with the different rules that apply to them in their home of record like the DB limit,
I know that the DB limit on a bike produced after 1975 cannot have more than 99DBA but here in Ca, its like 80dba, also with the lighting I called the DMV today and was told that as long as the blinkers are eather mounted or housed on the bike and when they flash are of a AMBER color it is 100% legal so I asked about
Dan.

Now see this is what bugs me. There are certain stipulations to the laws on what is LEGAL lighting wise. BY DOT rules.

On motorcycles, they have to be so high, so far apart, so bright, certain colors etc....

Just because they are modified does NOT mean they are illegal. But I assume that is where a LEO could just give us a fix it ticket or send us to a ref ? But they never do. Why?

Originally posted by svclee
how about you concentrate our hard earned tax money on the bad bad things in this world.
and dont get me wrong..i respect cops and always have and always will...

I don't think you do respect cops. If you did, you would already know why motorman4life posts the way he does. 99% of a moto cops day is traffic enforcement. If he just warned people, (more so specifically - like san jose area folks) it's just a time delay. Pulling something out of their wallet makes them think twice cause their commute just cost them more. Now it effects their bottm line $$.

Originally posted by motorman4life
That one did make me laugh! :thumbup
Hey SH, :sniper is there a bag limit?
Originally posted by yandrew
even though im not a stunter, thats so mean.....:burnout lol

Nah not really. They'd be safe if they didn't Stunt on public streets and highways. :thumbup

Webdev511

06-18-2005, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Dougmo531
I believe the technical side of this has already been answered so... I can only speak for myself on this one. As far as I'm concerned, you may be putting your life on the line for this country just as any law enforcement officer so, military ID is always a verbal warning with me! Drive/ride on and be safe... ;)

How about Veteran's Plates :thumbup

motorman4life

06-21-2005, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by svclee
Do you coppers ever come out to the BARF meets and say hi?

Sure, I was at the fundraiser BBQ at Cat's place in SF last month! Where were you?

AgentSF

07-07-2005, 05:08 PM

Had nice talk with an on duty Marin moto-CHP the other day. He complimented my bike, even liked the akra exhaust and the neon. Said be safe and drove off.

No citing, no warning, no fix-it. Just a nice guy admiring my machine in Marin.

Thanks! Glad to know there are some cool CHPs out there.

Tri-me

07-08-2005, 02:29 AM

[i]Originally posted by Kaesem [/b]
Have you ever thought about giving a warning for the best story of the day? [/B]

Did that once. First day of summer and a guy in a convertable scooted by at about 13 over, right on the limit of where I use to give speeding tickets.

I told him I had stopped him for speeding, he gave the common answer that the car was new to him and then he went a bit farther by saying that the first nice day the wind blowing in his hair and some must have blown the common sense out of his brain. He had no wants, no warrants, a new car, and a written warning from me.

Saw him a few days later in the same are, going the speed limit plus about 5.