SoCalSVriders.org Trackday Willow Springs 10/30 [Archive] - BARF

MAXX LEAN

09-01-2006, 07:14 PM

Willow Springs (The Big Track)
Monday 10/30

My friend Shandra Crawford WSMC/AFM #357 Has put her own money on the line to organize a trackday for the members of socalsvriders.org
Unfortunately the membership hasn't responded as Shandra had hoped :(
To fill the remaining spots the day has been opened up to non-members. All makes of bikes are welcome. :teeth

Track Day Registration Page - SIGN UP HERE!!!! (http://www.socalsvriders.org/trackday/)

Also, these services will be available trackside:

Suspension tuning by Dave Moss from Catalyst Reaction (http://www.feelthetrack.com/index.html)

Michelin Tire Vendor - Racers Edge Performance (http://www.racersedgeperformance.com/index2.htm)

Video Services by Got Video? (http://www.jtmsr.com/)

AND!!!

Sportbike Rental (http://www.sportbikerental.com/) will be providing sport bike rentals for $75 by the session! If you want to try out a different bike & couldn't make it to Femmoto (or you're a guy and couldn't attend Femmoto, anyway), here's your chance!

SoCalSVriders Track Day Info Thread (http://www.socalsvriders.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=250482#post250482)

If transporting your bike to the track is an issue, I have room for two extra bikes. I'll be leaving Sun. the 29th.:cool

Alayna

09-05-2006, 09:58 AM

That sounds like quite a deal! And its on my birthday!!! :banana What a way to celebrate!!

When is the registration cut off date?

CykoKlr

09-05-2006, 10:11 AM

Hmmmmmm,

It's the day before my birthday.............

MAXX LEAN

09-05-2006, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Alayna
That sounds like quite a deal! And its on my birthday!!! :banana What a way to celebrate!!

When is the registration cut off date?

Registration closes the last week in September. :cool

Originally posted by CykoKlr
Hmmmmmm,

It's the day before my birthday.............

C'mon out Ramon!!! We're thinking of doing the Nov. round of WSMC. This will be good practice. :wei7

JnglstTICAL

09-06-2006, 10:13 AM

Pete, stay in touch with me....I think I may be down for this one.

VroomVroomVroom

09-06-2006, 10:38 AM

sounds like a good one to me.... I am going to scratch my head for a while

Alayna

09-07-2006, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by MAXX LEAN
Registration closes the last week in September. :cool
Ok kewl! There is a 'newer track rider' group ...right? :eek

C'mon out Ramon!!! We're thinking of doing the Nov. round of WSMC. This will be good practice. :wei7 Yeah C'mon Ramon!!! Bring the lovely lil lady out and we'll party it up for our B-days!! :Port But I wont be signing up until i know i have a for sure way down there etc! So Pete, if ya still have a spot or.... maybe I'll call David and twist his arm into going too! ;)

That'll be hard :p
Will talk more about it in the next couple weeks :thumbup

MAXX LEAN

09-10-2006, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by JnglstTICAL
Pete, stay in touch with me....I think I may be down for this one.

Will do.:cool Think about rollin' down together :) Gas is expensive:cry

Originally posted by Alayna
So Pete, if ya still have a spot or.... maybe I'll call David and twist his arm into going too! ;)

let me know if you're going I'll make sure you have a ride. :) I'm sure you wont have to twist his arm too hard;)

Where are the rest of you NorCal sv riders?? *shaking head in disgust*:x :p

afm199

09-10-2006, 03:33 PM

I love the track, I just don't like spending $160 on gas, and one or two nights at the motel.

MAXX LEAN

09-10-2006, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by afm199
I love the track, I just don't like spending $160 on gas, and one or two nights at the motel.

C'mon Ernie sign up!!!!:teeth
You, Me, Jungle... ROADTRIP!!!!! Split three ways makes it a bit cheaper.:p

rumblephish

09-10-2006, 11:16 PM

I'm seriously considering this one. The big track? I think my Busa would love that!

VroomVroomVroom

09-11-2006, 09:46 AM

I have ridden most of the California tracks and Big Willow gives the biggest speed thrills for sure. It can be very hard on right side of tires. Don't know what the surface is like these days, but it was rather abrasive after the last repave I saw. 750cc and below feel like they are Weezing (I think the altitude has something to do with that too) at that place (atleast the street type). It really is an amazing track to visit if you have never been there!

Alayna

09-11-2006, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by MAXX LEAN
Will do.:cool Think about rollin' down together :) Gas is expensive:cry

let me know if you're going I'll make sure you have a ride. :) I'm sure you wont have to twist his arm too hard;)

Where are the rest of you NorCal sv riders?? *shaking head in disgust*:x :p I will most likely be siging up this week and have a few offers to take me up there but will find out which is for sure this week as well. I spoke to David and he needs to check in with his wife Marty :p

I also have a new friend I met that is very interested in going. He's new to the area...well he is in Palo Alto, but sooo not new to the track... and he would like to meet some other riders. :thumbup Sounds like this is gonna be quite a partay!! woohoo!

jadeblue2

09-15-2006, 12:46 AM

thanks for the post up pete! see you at infineon in 2 weeks! btw- the registration cutoff date is 10/20/06, not sept 30 anymore...i got an extension to turn my "list" in...hope some of you norcal peeps can come down & play, it's going to be good times...:D

Ezekiel

09-15-2006, 09:28 AM

Will I be able to fit 2 bikes into my '99 ford F150? What is this a 5 or 6 hour drive? I'm a big fat maybe for this, it'd be my (and my friends) first trackday.

Alayna

09-15-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Ezekiel
Will I be able to fit 2 bikes into my '99 ford F150? What is this a 5 or 6 hour drive? I'm a big fat maybe for this, it'd be my (and my friends) first trackday. Yaaay!! I hope you can make it. I am 98% yes!! This is gonna be the best Birthday evar!!! :banana

Im also glad that the sign up date got extended. I will be signing up soon :) needed to get some other things out of the way first ;)

MAXX LEAN

09-16-2006, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by jadeblue2
thanks for the post up pete! see you at infineon in 2 weeks!

You are welcome Shandra.:cool You coming up solo or are you bringing Amy or Tom or both??:wei7

Originally posted by Ezekiel
Will I be able to fit 2 bikes into my '99 ford F150? What is this a 5 or 6 hour drive?

Yes, It takes a little manuvering. but they will fit no prob.;)
Joe, I'll PM you my number, we can caravan down together.

Originally posted by Alayna
Yaaay!! I hope you can make it. I am 98% yes!! needed to get some other things out of the way first ;)

What's the 2% thats holding you back?!?!:confused Let's go Chica!!!!:grin

VroomVroomVroom

09-23-2006, 09:43 AM

I just signed up, looks like a return to Big Willow for me. Not sure how the SV is going to feel out there. Glad I did some engine work over the Winter last year. Hope to meet some peeps or just loath it out, either way... see u there:)
Gino

Kurt'sSV

09-23-2006, 10:09 PM

It's awesome that you guys are going to come down. This'll be a lot of fun. It is starting to fill up, which is good. The weather should be good this time of year. And hopefully gas prices will continue to drop through October (it's down to $2.69 by my house today).

WSIR is unique. It's more of a European flowing kind of track, not stop and go like most tracks over here. This track's all about momentum, so leave your brake pads at home and be ready to haul ass!

VentoGixxeRider

09-24-2006, 04:04 AM

Humm im wondering if I should return to the track again. Been over 3 yrs now for me.

Im kinda wondering how a XR650 supermoto will do out there. I know its a very fast track.

afm199

09-28-2006, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by MackeyStingray
bump

austin, yer SM will be topped out most of the track. i think there are what? 2 lower speed corners?

From the exit of T2 there is a short straight and then the up hill downhill slow corner and a couple more right after that. Then it is basically fast as hell.

ianG

09-28-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by afm199
From the exit of T2 there is a short straight and then the up hill downhill slow corner and a couple more right after that. Then it is basically fast as hell.

So does that mean you're gonna come play with us Ernie? I need you to tow me around. You know how I hate the fast sweepers. My skirt gets all up in my face. I need a 'seasoned' pro to show me the ropes. ;)

afm199

09-28-2006, 02:13 PM

Ian! After ten laps you will be pinned in sixth gear in T8-T9 with your knee on the ground. I am not that fond of fast sweepers, but Willow is like a big sundae. The fast corner that will get you is not T8 or T9 at 135 ( probably topped out SV with luck), it's T1 at 100 mph.

Kurt'sSV

09-29-2006, 09:08 PM

At track days on this track people always crash in turns 3 and 4, the slowest ones on the track. Sometimes some doof on a 1000 will lose the rear in turn 2.

Turn 8 is all mental. Turns 5 and 9 are the tough ones and the important ones.

VroomVroomVroom

10-01-2006, 08:29 PM

hows the pavement out there these days? Last I was there was in (like) 1997 after a repave, was very dark pavement and difficult to see imperfections at speed.

Kurt'sSV

10-02-2006, 09:27 PM

The pavement is a hell of a lot better than Buttonwillow.

I think the pavement is pretty good. 2 bumps entering turn two and a weird gouge in the pavement that you can go underneath or over it about a 1/3 through the turn. Going over it upsets the chassis a little bit, but not too much. There's a good dip coming down the hill just before 4c, but your line should take you around it. There's a small gouge in the pavement just past the crest of turn 6, but your line should take you underneath it. Those are the major spots that come to mind.

The pavement offers a lot of grip.

VroomVroomVroom

10-09-2006, 10:48 PM

anyone gonna make the Edwards Air Show the day before?

rumblephish

10-09-2006, 11:56 PM

So, I'm still trying to work this into my schedule.

I hear that Big Willow is an ideal track for my Hayabusa. Any truth to that?

jadeblue2

10-10-2006, 12:44 AM

yes, you would have fun w/a 'busa on this track...there's really not any tight turns, and a long back & front straight ( rumor has it liter bikes can actually get into 6th gear :teeth )
seriously, though, you'd have a lot of fun.

**update on spots, there are 3 left in race, 2 left in sport, 2 left in street**

h2o, sport drinks, and lunch will be provided.

Kurt'sSV

10-10-2006, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by jadeblue2
there's really not any tight turns

Turns 3, 4 and 5 are tight when you go faster. :teeth

jadeblue2

10-10-2006, 11:15 AM

umm, i meant not tight like t5 at t-hill or most of the ones at infineon, (or 1/2 the ones at S.O.W),silly

MAXX LEAN

10-10-2006, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by jadeblue2
**update on spots, there are 3 left in race, 2 left in sport, 2 left in street**

WOW!!:wow Filling up fast:teeth :banana

TWF

10-10-2006, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Kurt'sSV
Turns 3, 4 and 5 are tight when you go faster. :teeth
and reason you still doing 30's for lap times :teeth

VroomVroomVroom

10-11-2006, 08:57 AM

I'll feel pretty good if I can get into the 30's on my SV.

Kurt'sSV

10-11-2006, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by TWF
and reason you still doing 30's for lap times :teeth

Funny, wise guy.

Well now there are enough sign-ups that it's whomever pays first gets spots. No one's going to get left out in the cold, yet, but those that now want to go had better be nice to Shandra.

Kurt'sSV

10-25-2006, 11:18 AM

Thanks in part to you guys who are coming down, this track day is way sold out. We'll be getting lunch brought in from Subway. Eat Fresh!

Weather forecast looks good, too.

MAXX LEAN

10-26-2006, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Kurt'sSV
We'll be getting lunch brought in from Subway. Eat Fresh!

Mmm... Subway:grin

Kurt'sSV

10-27-2006, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by MackeyStingray
btw, anyone have a walkthrough?

the onboards i've seen, the fast corner lines seem rather random. i'm trying to find marks on the pavement to use as reference points but not much luck.

You'll figure it out when you get there, or ask one of the Trackdaz guys to show you around, or Zoran.

Stay tight in 2 and 8 so you're not traveling a further distance than you need to.

Enter 9 wide.

Point and shoot turn 5.

jadeblue2

10-30-2006, 07:57 PM

:teeth
today was awesome! gorgeous weather, great track riding...hope you guys had as much fun as i did. i'm also really glad you guys could make it down. pete-thanks for getting the word out about the track day, calvin-nice to finally meet you-will be looking forward to seeing you guys come down for a few wsmc rounds in your off season.

also nice to see the monroe motor sports/scuderia west guys. it's neat to see the norcal peeps this far south. sorry you couldn't make it this time ian-but i'll give you a rain check on an elbow bumping session. :D

MackeyStingray

10-31-2006, 01:58 AM

likewise :) little windy for my tastes but from what i hear, it's the norm in WS.

was a good time thanks for putting on a good show :thumbup

big thanks to ian for the spot and just as many to pete for driving and putting up w/ me sleeping through most of the ride to and back. i swear i offered to drive several times! :teeth

this is how i broke down the track (please tell me if i'm completely off base)

T1 (G1 SV650 15/46 gearing). down 1 into 5th brake @ the II cone, late apex.

T2 roll off or slight trail brake going in depending on wind conditions and hug it till 3/4 through the turn, drift out and late apex going WOT out. on the inside of the exit there seems to be some pavement imperfections that'll unsettles the bike a little bit.

T3 roll off after that black patch 1/3 from the outside. brake @ the III cone and down into 4th. apex @ the end of the T3 inside apron then straight shoot into T4

T4, go straight after hitting the apex, there's 2 white reflector pucks on the outside to aim for. exit, out there's a white sponsor board on the outside of T4 to use as a reference to drift out wide to straight shoot the little right. this turn sorta confuses me. i'm almost sure i'm losing probably a second there cause i'm not hard on the gas coming out. should i be?

T5 trail in slightly look towards the apex of T6 then WOT

T6 grab an upshift before going over T6 and WOT through making sure to keep the front weighed as it gets light. sometimes i'll roll off for a split sec before the crest

T7 upshift

T8 i'm not too sure how to take this but i'm topped out in 6th going into it. probably 7/8's throttle through which i'm sure is making me lose a bunch of time. if it weren't windy, it wouldn't be as big a deal

T9 there's a short semi-straight section btwn. T8 and T9 that i use to grab a downshift before tipping into T9. about 2/3 out from the inside till i see the orange cone @ the apex then point towards it while WOT. i top out in 6th a little after the start/finish line.

jadeblue2

10-31-2006, 09:31 AM

textbook perfect...(i knew you had it down fast :D)

T4-not a good place to be hard on the gas until after you get past the corner worker station at the end of the omega, then you're bike starts to straighten up a little & you can get more drive.

T8-topped out is right...the test of never is to keep it pinned as all long as you can to T9 :D (faster guys can answer the finer points on that one)

however, if you getting that much drive going into t8 & the front straight, you could probably run 15/45 gearing...again, something to check about (zoran, mr spencer, j, or ducky would have the answer to that, as well as mr kurt)

Kurt'sSV

10-31-2006, 11:35 AM

Yesterday was really fun. Glad you guys got a taste of the Fastest Road in the West.

Seeing Zoran on Spencer's R6 was awesome, huh? I wish I could ride as smooth as he does.

Edit: Now Spencer denies that was his R6 and Zoran was just pulling my leg. I don't know who to believe. I hate those guys. :laughing

As for gearing, I ran 15/46 until I got down into the low 33's in terms of lap times. Then I was hitting the rev limiter in 6th gear before I got to the brake marker for turn 1 and in turn 8. I run 15/45 now.

Zoran put it best when he said "If you have to roll out of throttle for turn 8 [on an SV], bike has too much power [for you]." Turn 8 is all mental. Once you get used to it, going through there as fast as an SV can go feels slow.

MrCrash

10-31-2006, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by MackeyStingray
i'm going in there WOT on the SV into the turn but i find myself slowly rolling off as i'm going through cause of the wind making it feel like my front's going to wash out.

Tigert lost the front in the entrance of 8 in heavy wind years ago on his 600cc Honda (I believe he was on an ex-Meiring F4).

"Dude, you just never stop sliding..."

15/45 was perfect when I was regularly running BOTT MW and 550 Superbike about 5-6 years ago.

MAXX LEAN

10-31-2006, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by jadeblue2
pete-thanks for getting the word out about the track day, calvin-nice to finally meet you-will be looking forward to seeing you guys come down for a few wsmc rounds in your off season.

Great day Shandra!!!:teeth All your hard work paid off. I hope to make it back down for the Feb. & Mar. rounds:cool

MackeyStingray

11-01-2006, 03:09 AM

:confused

this is (very roughly) how i take WS. this was done w/ MS Paint and it was hard to get the "pen" tool to work half as well as it does in illustrator

T1 i'm making a later apex than that (i think)

T2 i'm trying to hug the inside till about 3/4 through the turn then drift out wide slightly to square off the exit

T4 the map is semi deceiving IMO since the right hander @ the end of it before dipping into T5 is a bit more pronounced. once i get past the cornerworker station it feels like i *should* be hard on the gas going downhill into T5. right now i'm @ neutral to partial throttle.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/176/806/2800021-ws.gif

i'll think about using a 45r if i decide to go down again. how often are there trackdays down there? is there WSMC raceday practice that anyone w/ a race license can join (similar to CCS)?15/45 was perfect when I was regularly running BOTT MW and 550 Superbike about 5-6 years ago.good to know :cool so you CAN lose the front in T8. i thought it was just a bad feeling on my partSeeing Zoran on Spencer's R6 was awesome, huh? I wish I could ride as smooth as he does.i was embarrassed to be in the same group as him :cry he lapped me a couple times during the morning. i'm sure he wouldn't have minded giving me a tow IF i weren't out there "delivering the mail" @ every corner

VroomVroomVroom

11-01-2006, 09:15 AM

I was using 15x41 on my SV (yeah, it was pretty tall). I felt I needed to go one down (42 rear). I was shifting at 9 to 9.5krpm's. My engine is not tuned for "red line" power delivery.

T4 had a big ripple on the inside and was much smoother if you entered wide.

I felt I needed improvement in T9, T1 aswell as bike needed tweaking.

Had a good time at the "fastest road in the West"!

Made it to the air show the day before, here is a link to some pics: http://blipper.onfinite.com/album/1029041/

VroomVroomVroom

11-01-2006, 10:43 PM

not sure what pace I was running, I was capable of keeping up with some and capable of getting blown away by the 600's, 1000's down the straights, my best session was at the end of the day when I was able to follow the 999 (Duc) for a few laps before loosing touch/sight, there was a 600rr Honda I was able to turn about the same lap times and swapped places for a few laps (almost rear ended him once.... doh!..... luckily checked up successfully)

my bike felt heavy, lacked a good neutral feel fully leaned over, and suffered from wheezing down the straights, but I tried hard and suffered only a few loss of traction moments.... mostly from touching down my foot hard mid turn in T6-T8, T4 was a power slide on the way out mainly due to the bumps,.... that track has a really nice flow to it (maybe too much right side sweeping). I have ridden it on 750's and liked it better with more power down the straights for sure for sure,

I recall there possibly being some faster guy's on SV's that disappeared in front of me too, hard to remember when everything moves so fast on that track,

Kurt

11-01-2006, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by VroomVroomVroom
I was using 15x41 on my SV (yeah, it was pretty tall). I felt I needed to go one down (42 rear).

Whoa..... 41? yikes. you should try adding 4 to that, not 1. The fast guys on SV's down there are doing 28's on 45 tooth sprockets. If you have a motor built-to-the-hilt you might try a 44 in the 28's range.

41 might explain your lack of poo-poo in the straights and heavy steering in the turns..

Getnjgywitit

11-02-2006, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by MackeyStingray
28's to win the races on an SV? i couldn't find any times for the races on the WSMC site

That's 28's when Spencer and Zoran show up. Otherwise if you are running low 30's high 29's you can take it.

Getnjgywitit

11-02-2006, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by MackeyStingray
hmm...i can definitely see where i can make up 3-4sec. in about 4 corners and a few tenths in the rest.

what kinda times were you running?

TWF

11-02-2006, 10:29 AM

you sure it was not 1:41's?:)

Getnjgywitit

11-02-2006, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by MackeyStingray
i got timed doing 1:31's by stopwatch but i dunno how accurate that was...

i'm gonna give or take 5sec from that time cause it felt like i could have went alot faster. it couldn't have possibly been that easy

31's on a trackday pace is blazing! You could easily win races cause you'll drop a sec or two with race pace. And if that's your first time out there then that is just silly.

Kurt'sSV

11-02-2006, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by VroomVroomVroom
I was using 15x41 on my SV (yeah, it was pretty tall). I felt I needed to go one down (42 rear). I was shifting at 9 to 9.5krpm's. My engine is not tuned for "red line" power delivery.

Dude, your bike's got some serious power. Even in the draft I couldn't catch you until turn 1 when your brakes started working. :)

T4 had a big ripple on the inside and was much smoother if you entered wide.

That's true. In a race, though, you leave yourself open to get stuffed, so going over/inside the rough patch is better.

Originally posted by MackeyStingray
i got timed doing 1:31's by stopwatch but i dunno how accurate that was...

Uh, not accurate at all? I would go with more of Zoran's assessment. :p I didn't feel like I was doing under '33s on Monday even on my fastests laps. Brant Wiwi (2007 WSMC #1) turned a few 31's on Palmer's number 111 SV out there.

ianG

11-02-2006, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by MackeyStingray
i got timed doing 1:31's by stopwatch but i dunno how accurate that was...

i'm gonna give or take 5sec from that time cause it felt like i could have went alot faster. it couldn't have possibly been that easy

Of course it was that easy..and then you woke up with your pud in your hand. :laughing

Kurt

11-02-2006, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by MackeyStingray
i got timed doing 1:31's by stopwatch but i dunno how accurate that was...

Hey Stingray, can I borrow your fully ported and polished stopwatch for a weekend or two?

MAXX LEAN

11-02-2006, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by MackeyStingray
i got timed doing 1:31's by stopwatch but i dunno how accurate that was...

It was very accurate, but there was some mis-communication. You were timed for two laps at 1:36 & some change before lunch. Your pace did increase some after lunch.

Originally posted by TWF
you sure it was not 1:41's?:)

No that was me :x I was running about three seconds slower than Mackey.:cry