Crashing so much we need "Crash Analysis" forum?!

[joe]

Are we seriously crashing so much that this forum is a neccesity? Jesus, I know there's a lot of crashes out there, but why not just get to the root of the issue and have a "DMV Motorcycle requirement forum", or a "Age/Experience limit on 600cc + Bikes" forum, or a "Restrictor plate" forum, or...

I know sometimes it's impossible to avoid crashes, and that stucks, but how about as a community we just try to ride safely enough that we heavily decreases the likelyhood of crashing? After all, crashing is definitely one of those things you can do without, whehter you're learning from them or not.

[F4iChic]

yeah, really :rolleyes

[squid vicious]

because it does happen no matter how safe we ride or how much we wish it didn't. ignoring it will only make the problem worse.

yes, crashes are often enough and severe enough to warrent a place to discuss and learn.

ride safe and may you never have anything to contribute (that's a well-wish, btw)

[greggargubby]

Originally posted by joe
Are we seriously crashing so much that this forum is a neccesity? Jesus, I know there's a lot of crashes out there, but why not just get to the root of the issue and have a "DMV Motorcycle requirement forum", or a "Age/Experience limit on 600cc + Bikes" forum, or a "Restrictor plate" forum, or...

I know sometimes it's impossible to avoid crashes, and that stucks, but how about as a community we just try to ride safely enough that we heavily decreases the likelyhood of crashing? After all, crashing is definitely one of those things you can do without, whehter you're learning from them or not.

all good points. i think it would be easy for all accidents to be lumped into this category or that category, this discussion or that discussion, this forum or that forum, etc. so maybe the idea of a crash analysis forum isn't all that great.

but, at the same time, i think a source of good info without all the pretense and, to be quite frank with you, drama and anger that accompany many BARF threads about accidents, is a good thing.

speaking as a lowly barf noob, the amount of attitude thrown at downed riders makes it nearly impossible to seek help in understanding what went wrong if you're not an already accepted pillar of the barf community. so this forum, at least for me, and i hope for others, is a welcome change.

[280SQUAGGLER]

I think its useless thread .... everyone knows if you crash blame it on the cold tires(my personal favorite), loose gravel, sun in your eyes
i think if riders would get the cold tire deal out of the equation, then they would actually figure out why they crashed

[fubar929]

Originally posted by joe
I know sometimes it's impossible to avoid crashes, and that stucks, but how about as a community we just try to ride safely enough that we heavily decreases the likelyhood of crashing? After all, crashing is definitely one of those things you can do without, whehter you're learning from them or not.

The problem is that motorcycle riding is often unintuitive. Crashes and close calls are the result. Given that none of us knows everything about riding, why not try to learn from the mistakes that other people make? I know, from first-hand experience, that crashing sucks and if I can learn something from somebody else's crash rather than having to smack my own head on the pavement, I'm all for it! Aren't you?

[plumber]

Where's my negative mojo when I need it?

[Var]

Originally posted by joe
Are we seriously crashing so much that this forum is a neccesity?

Yes. Any other questions?

[mattman]

I know sometimes it's impossible to avoid crashes, and that stucks, but how about as a community we just try to ride safely enough that we heavily decreases the likelyhood of crashing?

Sounds like a good reason to create a forum for analysis, maybe one should be created for rant analysis.

[Dove]

Originally posted by mattman
Sounds like a good reason to create a forum for analysis, maybe one should be created for rant analysis.

Your attitude stucks. :x :twofinger

[joe]

again, the motorcycle community needs an adjustment. Give me all the negative mojo you want, but if you're crashing, STOP. Learn from it, use the riding technique forum we have in place, but lets not have more "I crashed on my buddies 1000 because it was cold out and someone didn't tighten my oil filter..." threads... Jesus, there need to be checks and balances in place to help our community AVOID having riders who're crash prone in the first place, yet I don't see any talk about that on barf.

For instance, ever notice all the "stolen from ______ shop" plates on brand new bikes being ridden by teenage boys? Any ethical reason to sell a 150hp bike to a kid at 20+ % financing, that he'll probably crash within a year? No. Lets make a forum for that, push that to the legislators and we can all learn from that.

Call it a rant all you like, but preventitive measures are worth their weight in gold and more often than not, I'll reiterate, the correct lessons to be learned from crashes are shrouded in "Barf Speak" (shit talking).

[squid vicious]

thanks for dropping by, your opinion is dually noted. as little success we'll have convincing you that this is a valuable contribution to barf is the same level of success you'll have voicing the opposite. ride safe and we'll see you on the road. in the mean time, respect what we're doing and contribute accordingly, or don't. please.

[Dove]

Originally posted by squid vicious
thanks for dropping by, your opinion is dually noted. as little success we'll have convincing you that this is a valuable contribution to barf is the same level of success you'll have voicing the opposite. ride safe and we'll see you on the road. in the mean time, respect what we're doing and contribute accordingly, or don't. please.

The man has spoken. :laughing

[joe]

it's funny you say that... I actually don't ride on the road any more because of the lack of consideration and inconsistancy local riders demonstrate. The bay area riders crash too much!!

Bite myself in the ass there, didn't I? :laughing

[07chuck]

Originally posted by joe
it's funny you say that... I actually don't ride on the road any more because of the lack of consideration and inconsistancy local riders demonstrate. The bay area riders crash too much!!

Bite myself in the ass there, didn't I? :laughing Like other riders are the real problem... Try cagers...


Kthxbye




:laughing

[squid vicious]

Originally posted by joe
it's funny you say that... I actually don't ride on the road any more because of the lack of consideration and inconsistancy local riders demonstrate. The bay area riders crash too much!!

Bite myself in the ass there, didn't I? :laughing

i honestly can't blame anyone for that, i've given up 9/84/etc for that very reason. fortunately winter is here and the riding season can begin!

soon as i heal from my crash that is :blush

[machete]

all i got a problem with, is that they stuck it above "moto photos" and now I have to scroll down that much further....after the freaking "training" forum was put into place too. :x

squid, quit crashing...simple...oh ,yeah, get off the bike more, when you're leaning, you dope! that might help too. :twofinger

[silverbelt]

Wheres afm199 when we need him? :laughing

[silverbelt]

Originally posted by 280SQUAGGLER
...i think if riders would get the cold tire deal out of the equation, then they would actually figure out why they crashed


Your wrong about that. Aggressive riding on the mountains with cold tires is a recipe for a crash.

[Mike T]

Originally posted by joe
it's funny you say that... I actually don't ride on the road any more because of the lack of consideration and inconsistancy local riders demonstrate. The bay area riders crash too much!!

Bite myself in the ass there, didn't I? :laughing

so uh...you crashed sir?

*in a therapist's voice* now tell us..did you learn anything? if you do...please share...

:twofinger

and crashes can happen to anyone...look at motogp and pedrosa :teeth :twofinger

[joe]

I've crashed on the street one time. It was when I first started riding and the clinical definition of what happened is called "being a douche bag". I learned from that, ride within your means, don't push unduely hard, don't be a douche, etc and haven't crashed outside of the track since.

Seems simple unless someone hits your ass, at least to me.

[faz]

There is absolutely no value in reading about other people's crashes and seeing what caused it, and how it could have been avoided, how other more experienced people would have handled the same situation,...


... no value, I tell ya'.

[Ironbutt]

Originally posted by joe
it's funny you say that... I actually don't ride on the road any more because of the lack of consideration and inconsistancy local riders demonstrate. The bay area riders crash too much!!

Bite myself in the ass there, didn't I? :laughing

Can I say; I call BULLSHIT... with out offending you? to much..

If you crash.. It's more often than not your own fault.. Agreed?

I can't think of a time that I've crashed and it hasn't been my fault.. whether you want to admit it or not..

Some how.. some way.. it's your own damned fault..

I've been riding for twenty years.. commuting for ten years.. 3000+ miles a month.. I've crashed.. wrecked.. chalk lined.. got off and flat out destroyed a few motorcycles.. Every damned time it's been my fault..

I was in the way..

Not paying attention

riding agressively (to fast for conditions)

and .... mostly.. I reacted the the situation badly..

Screw consideration and consistancy of other people.. It's easy to pass blame.. Brush up on the basic skills, wear good gear and when you wreck figure out why and try to fix the problem..

[tzrider]

Originally posted by joe
again, the motorcycle community needs an adjustment. Give me all the negative mojo you want, but if you're crashing, STOP.
Offhand, I'd imagine most riders have better reasons to not crash than because you want them to stop. They crash anyway.


Learn from it, use the riding technique forum we have in place...
There are any number of ways to learn from a crash, but this forum was set up to help people figure things out after a crash without having to worry about getting flamed. Seems like that could be useful. Some people like to figure things out on their own (I lean that direction), while others want input.

[SPZ510]

I think the crash analysis has some good potential if were talking about experienced riders that crash because of suspension problems or other technical changes they need to make. Maybe someone loses it going into turn 10 at T-Hill because they do'nt have a good brake marker. Maybe someone chimes in and says to look for the rock on the left of the entry and time yourself off of that. I think that is what the Crash Analysis section was created for. Although I'm usually wrong so just forget all that crap I just said.:laughing

[Silence]

Kind of strikes me as a Dump Trophy revival with different packaging

[NoGall]

Originally posted by Silence
Kind of strikes me as a Dump Trophy revival with different packaging

Nah, a Dump Trophy was mostly a trophy for bragging rights. By posting one's crash in an "analysis" forum, the OP wants to figure out why he crashed, and to learn from it -- both are indications of already taking ownership of the crash... Helps cutting down on unnecessary flaming, I think.