okay... now THIS was on purpose

[shoelace]

many people watch videos where motorcyclists get into wrecks with autos and quickly point out that, "that car did that intentionally!" most the time i disagree, and figure that shit... we're invisible. that's just the reality.

but in this video, there's no question that this car maliciously and intentionally set out to wreck this gixxer.

to wit:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/149460E534FB4E1199521F0D0BAA94A8/bike-accident.aspx

and hey... if this is a repost, guess what?
NOONE CARES!

peace!

[Handsome Rob]

that's the most fucked up thing I've ever seen. I hope that asshole burns in hell.

[Mortifer]

wow. I really hope he wasn't alone and they stopped that prick.:(

[Chato]

:mad that was the most fugged up thing ever!

[Ratters]

Maybe the guy was going for a pass too, and just didn't check his mirror. You guys are always so quick to judge.




:twofinger

Yeah, I hope the guy got a serious beat down for that. Asshole.

[Yody]

I saw a turn signal go on, I think the car driver went to pass and didn't realize the motorcycle was doing the same.

[HareRacing]

i watched it 3 times and yes, he did signal to pass

[My900ss]

I agree I do not feel that was intentional.

[USARMworker]

Pretty F'ed up, but that just looks like ignorance, not malice.

[RcrBoy]

Look at the shadows. That VW was right on the ass of the car in front. He too was trying to pass. Biker at fault :(



:loco Mark :loco

[Bad Dad]

when you decide to pass a group of cars, that may be just as pissed as you at the jackass holding them all up, you will always run the risk of one of them attempting to pass also.

i didn't see any maliciousness.

[Matt.Lai]

Thats a nice carbon fiber triple tree cover!

[ALANRIDER7]

100% rider error.

[Enchanter]

I saw the signal, but...

Why would the car pull out so far behind the car they were intending to pass?

[nadrojp]

Yesterday in my truck, there was a guy on an fz1 behind me... some asshat was making a left in front of me and came to a dead stop... I was just about to pull around on the right w/ my blinker on and the dude on the fz1 buzzed around me and clipped my mirror... if i wasnt a rider myself i wouldnt have noticed him passing and woulda taken dude out... similar situation I think.

[RcrBoy]

Originally posted by Enchanter
I saw the signal, but...

Why would the car pull out so far behind the car they were intending to pass?

Watch it again. It's not the car waaaay up there. It's the one you can't see, but you CAN see it's shadow. He was right on that car's ass just as the rider was on his!

Again, the rider fucked up....................... :(

:loco Mark :loco

[Enchanter]

Originally posted by RcrBoy
Watch it again. It's not the car waaaay up there. It's the one you can't see, but you CAN see it's shadow. He was right on that car's ass just as the rider was on his!

Again, the rider fucked up....................... :(

:loco Mark :loco

After the 5th time, I now see the car the red car was attempting to pass. Yup, the rider screwed up.

[Yody]

Originally posted by yody
I saw a turn signal go on, I think the car driver went to pass and didn't realize the motorcycle was doing the same.

+1 on what I said :teeth

[masameet]

Have to admit, my first reaction was, Bastard cager!

Then I watched the clip again, saw the left blinker come to life on the car, and then thought, Idiot biker!

Still on a third viewing I decided it was the cager's fault -- he was negligent in not checking his rear-view mirror for the biker or any other driver behind him. He didn't have the right of way to impede the biker who clearly initiated the overtaking position first and was already in the left-hand lane.

Good training film.

[Yody]

biker zoomed off in blind spot of driver, since the driver was in front he has the right away. Biker takes a risk in a situation like that but we take a lot of risks.

[masameet]

I bet the cager heard and noticed the biker long before he hit him. It's still the cager's fault for assuming he had the right of way and thinking that the biker wouldn't try to overtake him.

[Yody]

:wtf, if the cage is in front they have the right away. You can think whatever you want for all I care, but if it were you in this situation you would most likely be getting a ticket for it, or telling your story to a cop who will tell you teh same thing I am. Ethically maybe the car should of known but whatever

[OldMadBrit]

Originally posted by yody
:wtf, if the cage is in front they have the right away. You can think whatever you want for all I care, but if it were you in this situation you would most likely be getting a ticket for it, or telling your story to a cop who will tell you teh same thing I am. Ethically maybe the car should of known but whatever

+ 1

The "I'm on a bike so I have the right of way" attitude is dumb. The car has every right to pass and in law, its the guy who hits from behind that's generally at fault. :hand

[masameet]

Just because a vehicle is in front of another vehicle doesn't give that driver in front the right to overtake slower cars first.

Rules of the road dictate that before changing lanes, the driver initiating such a lane change must check that he can reasonably and safely do so (CVC 21658(a)). Since the biker was already in the left lane when the cager struck him, it doesn't take much of a leap to say the cager did not check his mirrors.

[USARMworker]

"Your mama will be real proud to know you had the right of way."

Cars are bigger. The laws of physics require that we should always be prepared to yield right of way. Something about mass and velocity... :dunno

[slydrite]

Originally posted by masameet
:blah :blah :blah

confused much?

[ALANRIDER7]

This crash brings up a very good safety point- drivers in a passing situation tend to focus forward. I think it's just human nature to not look back when they attempt a pass- they just want to go. Whether they have to look or not is another thing altogether.

I'd also wager that the rider didn't check his six o'clock before pulling out either. He could have been asspacked by another car or bike bigtime.

In a situation like this, use your horn and let them at least hear you first.

[brichter]

From the book of common sense (CA Driver's Handbook):

Before you pass, look ahead for
road conditions and traffic that
may cause other vehicles to move
into your lane.


Don’t count on having
enough time to pass several cars at
once. Also, don’t count on other
drivers making room for you.

masameet, changing lanes doesn't really fit into passing as much as you might think it does, but this pretty much covers it:

21753. Except when passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall safely move to the right-hand side of the highway in favor of the overtaking vehicle after an audible signal or a momentary flash of headlights by the overtaking vehicle, <...>.

Sorry, rider.

[Lazerus]

all the more reason to pass on the double yellow

[boney]

I can pass a car, or five, in half the space that a car can pass another. The rider who is "situationally aware" would wait to see how many cars are going to jockey for position before making the move. Then, when all the cars have shuffled or stayed put, passed them all.

[rumpofsteelskin]

The blame for this accident should be shared equally by both parties. The driver is at fault for signaling at pretty much the same time as initiating the pass and not adequately checking the mirrors. The motorcyclist is at fault for not using a turn signal at all when initiating the pass. However, if this video were evidence in a civil case, attorneys for the cager would claim that the motorcyclist did not give reasonable indication of an intention to pass. We know that the cager didn't do much better, but they did, in fact, signal.

BTW, the motorcyclist's reaction time didn't seem all that great in the video. I wonder if I could have hit the brakes quickly and safely enough in that situation?

[zefflyn]

Originally posted by masameet
Just because a vehicle is in front of another vehicle doesn't give that driver in front the right to overtake slower cars first.

Rules of the road dictate that before changing lanes, the driver initiating such a lane change must check that he can reasonably and safely do so (CVC 21658(a)). Since the biker was already in the left lane when the cager struck him, it doesn't take much of a leap to say the cager did not check his mirrors.

Something tells me that the CVC does not apply in foreign countries.

[Cali]

I'd say the car is mainly at fault, but they both contributed. Blinker did come on, but you're supposed to signal before moving to let people know your intentions, not signalgo. The bike was already over and on his way to pass when the car moved over. The bike clearly had position and the car didn't check to make sure it was okay and safe for them to move. Intentionally made the bike crash, no. At fault, yes.

[ALANRIDER7]

It's possible the cager did look, saw nothing in his mirror right before the rider pulled the trigger, turned his focus forward again and then pulled out. Regardless, the rider should have used his horn or waited.

[budbandit]

Too bad, but the bike is at fault. Driver went to pass and even signaled. Why did the gizzer need to be so close to the car anyway? He didn't. Bad habits (passing too close to cars, which is both obnoxious to the cager and unsafe as illustrated by this vid) will eventually result in bad outcomes.

Amazing how quickly many were to leap to the conclusion that the evil cager intentionally took out the car. Makes me wonder about all the "some asshole did something mean to me on the road" threads.

[RcrBoy]

Originally posted by budbandit
Too bad, but the bike is at fault. Driver went to pass and even signaled. Why did the gizzer need to be so close to the car anyway? He didn't. Bad habits (passing too close to cars, which is both obnoxious to the cager and unsafe as illustrated by this vid) will eventually result in bad outcomes.

Amazing how quickly many were to leap to the conclusion that the evil cager intentionally took out the car. Makes me wonder about all the "some asshole did something mean to me on the road" threads.

Been wondering when you were gonna post something :rolleyes
And on the 3rd page :wow
Thought you were dead or sumthin' :teeth


:twofinger


:loco Mark :loco

[Cali]

Originally posted by budbandit
Too bad, but the bike is at fault. Driver went to pass and even signaled.

So it is okay for someone to move over in the lane you occupy if they signal? They bike was over in the lane already. The driver signaled, but moved over immediately after turning on their signal, they didn't signal for one or two or three seconds. Just signalGO... when the lane was occupied. I don't think the rider is fault free, but the majority lies with the cager.

[USARMworker]

:blah :blah :blah :blah :blah :blah

Ride safe.

[masameet]

Originally posted by zefflyn
Something tells me that the CVC does not apply in foreign countries.


:laughing

Touché

Yeah, the rider "could have" exercised caution and figured the cager would want to overtake first and so let him gone first. And the cager "could have" looked in his rear mirror as he hit his blinker and changed lanes.

And nevertheless the video still shows that the cager sideswiped the rider.

[magyarbetyar]

The SEAT was trying to pass another car right infornt of it. Having driven in Europe many of times and am very familiar with this type of driving/passing, I hate to say it but the moto rider fucked up.

[serazin]

Major screw up but I can't belive the driver tried to block or hit the bike. I just can't see anyone taking the chance of getting the side of a nice ride all scratched up because they pulled into a bike or tried to block him.

Still it is a good lesson. On a bike or in a car look behind you before you pass.

[Texwasabi]

That mother fucker needs to be crippled, you still have the responsibility if you are going to pass, that some OTHER asshatt isnt already beside you.

[DESMOnic]

Originally posted by magyarbetyar
The SEAT was trying to pass another car right infornt of it. Having driven in Europe many of times and am very familiar with this type of driving/passing, I hate to say it but the moto rider fucked up.

I still say it was the drivers fault. Just because you turn your signal on, it does not mean you can just switch the lanes without checking if it is safe to do so.

I was almost taken out in the same way a week ago and ended up being sandwiched between two vans and sliding my shoulder against the on left.

Btw, riding in europe, especially on two-way roads like in this video is fucked up. Hopefully the guy was wearing full gear. From the last couple of seconds, you can see that someone walked right by the bike.

[r3g]

wasnt worth then this

http://www.livevideo.com/video/6868F8E3322B4E2DA3EBC0BCCD2D011D/people-in-cars-suck.aspx

[wazzuFreddo]

Meh, you have got to be prepared for just about everything on the road. Make sure you are alert for any possible course of action a cager could take.

How many of you would have shit your pants rather than hit the shoulder and show the cager that they are number one as was the case on 198 the other day.

I sure hate it when a Toureg is headed at me in my own lane, it would have been his fault had we made contact but I don't want to die to prove that point :p

[Warpkor]

Originally posted by Enchanter
I saw the signal, but...

Why would the car pull out so far behind the car they were intending to pass?

I agree, when the car pulled out, it was no where near the traffic it would be passing.

Strange....

[neighbordave]

:loco That biker should have passed alittle sooner!

[CaliGuy2004]

Originally posted by HareRacing
i watched it 3 times and yes, he did signal to pass

Yes, but there is a law that you have to signal for 100ft and make sure its save to change lanes.

The driver of the vw did not do either.

[budbandit]

Originally posted by CaliGuy2004
Yes, but there is a law that you have to signal for 100ft and make sure its save to change lanes.

The driver of the vw did not do either.


Laws, whining, what a bunch of crap.

One, it is in a foreign country.

Two, even if it was here the Law is little comfort when you are in a ditch, especially when some uninsured, no assets illegal put you there.

The smart thing, regardless of what country you are in, is to leave some fucking room when you are passing. Whatever the law says, the fucking bike was too close to the car and he paid the price. Do the asshole up close and personal pass with your pipe just a couple feet from the driver's ear and yes, it is likely someone will have a major malfunction which will result in you occupying a ditch.

If you want to survive, you need to do not what the law calls for but what is right for the situation.

[USARMworker]

Originally posted by budbandit
Laws, whining, what a bunch of crap.

...

If you want to survive, you need to do not what the law calls for but what is right for the situation.

:applause Fuck yeah! :applause

[RcrBoy]

Originally posted by budbandit
Laws, whining, what a bunch of crap.

One, it is in a foreign country.

Two, even if it was here the Law is little comfort when you are in a ditch, especially when some uninsured, no assets illegal put you there.

The smart thing, regardless of what country you are in, is to leave some fucking room when you are passing. Whatever the law says, the fucking bike was too close to the car and he paid the price. Do the asshole up close and personal pass with your pipe just a couple feet from the driver's ear and yes, it is likely someone will have a major malfunction which will result in you occupying a ditch.

If you want to survive, you need to do not what the law calls for but what is right for the situation.

I love you man :love :love :love


:loco Mark :loco

[ALANRIDER7]

Originally posted by CaliGuy2004
Yes, but there is a law that you have to signal for 100ft and make sure its save to change lanes.

The driver of the vw did not do either.

What planet do you live on?

:laughing :laughing

[silverbelt]

Yeah, the guys an asshole and the rider should kick his ass for being a fucktard. However, the rider should have seen this coming.

Not 100% the riders fault, but he was too close to the car to make that pass and should have been more aware of his surroundings. Unfortunately, he made the wrong choice. At least next time, he won't repeat that mistake.

[eeeeek]

Originally posted by Warpkor
I agree, when the car pulled out, it was no where near the traffic it would be passing.

Strange....

This has been covered multiple times already.

Watch the video again. The car that pulls out is passing a car that is directly in front of him that you can only see for a brief instant in the video. You can see the other car's shadow, though.

Basically, the motorcycle was tailgating a car that was tailgating another car. You can see the red car hitting the brakes nowa and then, probably due to the frustration of being stuck behind the car who's bumper he's riding. At the first opportunity, he goes to make the pass, as does the bike. The car is concentrating on his own pass.

What would you guys being saying if the places were reversed, the car pulled out to pass the bike adn then the bike sideswiped the car?

Like budbandit said, right vs wrong doesn't matter when you're lying in a ditch. Instead of citing vehicles codes that may or may not apply, go back to the more basic and fundamental law of gross vehicle weight.

[Warpkor]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by eeeeek
[B]This has been covered multiple times already.

Watch the video again. The car that pulls out is passing a car that is directly in front of him that you can only see for a brief instant in the video. You can see the other car's shadow, though.




Ah, yes...I stand corrected.

[Mavrik Hunter X]

Originally posted by Ratters
Maybe the guy was going for a pass too, and just didn't check his mirror. You guys are always so quick to judge. I'm sorry to jump in on the mix here, but judging drivers who don't pay attention to the roads or their mirrors is what everyone does, not just us riders. If your not watching the roads, including your blind spot, than you shouldn't be driving. Oh, by the way.... I'm not trying to bag on you, just leaving a coment.




:twofinger

Yeah, I hope the guy got a serious beat down for that. Asshole.

[magyarbetyar]

Originally posted by DESMOnic
I still say it was the drivers fault. Just because you turn your signal on, it does not mean you can just switch the lanes without checking if it is safe to do so.

I was almost taken out in the same way a week ago and ended up being sandwiched between two vans and sliding my shoulder against the on left.

Btw, riding in europe, especially on two-way roads like in this video is fucked up. Hopefully the guy was wearing full gear. From the last couple of seconds, you can see that someone walked right by the bike.

Dude he is not changing lanes. The SEAT was going into the ON COMING traffic lane to pass the car infront of it.

[TheBestName]

I say they are both to blame in this situation. The driver for not checking before he passed and the biker for assuming that it was safe to pass given that the situation. But I have to admit. On my first observation, I thought the car was at fault until you factor in all the variables.

[Mavrik Hunter X]

Originally posted by TheBestName
I say they are both to blame in this situation. The driver for not checking before he passed and the biker for assuming that it was safe to pass given that the situation. But I have to admit. On my first observation, I thought the car was at fault until you factor in all the variables.

Nicely put....

[Var]

the motorcycle initiated the pass before the car. the motorcycle was going straight at the point of impact. he had already changed lanes and the car swerved into him.

1- the driver of the red car signaled and turned at the same time, so he may as well not have signaled.

2-it's irrelevant if the MC signaled or not because the car would have hit him anyways. if you can't see a bike, you can't see the blinker either.

car's fault.


even though you guys say CVC doesn't apply here, i can still relate it to a barfer's story about how a car sideswiped him. He was in the right lane and lane-sharing past a gas station driveway when the car pulled into the driveway and hit him. The case went his way because the car didn't look to make sure it was safe before it proceeded. CVC or not, common sense tells me to make sure it's safe to proceed before i change directions in my vehicle. Especially when you know there's a bike following you.


sorry to "dig up" a week old thread but i've been posting on my Treo and i couldn't watch the video.

[Thundercat 600R]

The driver should have signaled a bit longer before attempting to pass. When passing I think the driver should have also checked the mirrors better. Bummer...

[ZXTOM]

Years ago... I went to pass on the left side and this guy in a Bronco tried to hit me..... I wasn't speeding, traffic was moving slow so I was going around him....

I saw him look in the side view and make eye contact with me, then he turned into me... I got away by probaly an inch....

Then down the road he caught up and I seen him com'in in my rear view, he tried to run me down, NO JOKE.... He was shaking his fist and yelling.....

What a prick!!...

[Climber]

The rider should have braked as soon as the car started moving over on him, he should have also realized that there was a good chance that the red car was going to pass because of how close he was behind the next car forward.

Thoroughly avoidable at several levels.