Newbie crash on the twisties

[Nozzle]

I had ridden the bike maybe 5 days for a total of ~50 miles. I was browsing around BARF last Saturday, and somehow gotten a whiff of the 'Group Ride' forums. Got in contact with someone for a newbie Sunday ride, and ta-da. First experience at the twisties.

It was a slow-paced ride. Considering there was a total newb and a relatively newb riders in the group, they were going just barely faster than the speed limit. :)

I was still very nervous about the turns (especially since a lot of turns were blind), but I managed OK for the first 2 1/2 hours of the ride.

Then... a left-handed turn with a 15 MPH speed limit came up. I don't know what the hell I was thinking, but the guys in front of me were making it through pretty fast. Last time I saw the speedo, it said ~30. The turn looked ok, and I just leaned into it.

About 1/2 way into the turn, I was going slighty wide and going towards the white line. Thinking like a car-driver as I've been for the past 10 years and not like a motorcycle-rider that I've been for a week, I braked.

Dumb move in retrospect, but totally didn't even cause an alarm in my head while I was doing it. Well, the bike straighted out, and I hit the gravel. I panicked and rammed on the brakes (another stupid move if there was actually room), but the bike was already in gravel and heading for the leaves.

I fell off, and the bike suffered some damages to the left side.

Sore, bruised, and slight rash on the left side (between jacket and jeans)... but learned a lot about riding. Need pants or a full suit, need to practice emergency maneuvers (both swerving and braking), and definitely need to read up more about motorcycle mechanics to not make a newbie mistake like that.

Super thanks to everyone that made sure I was ok, that the bike was out of the leaves, and that it started back up.

As soon as everything's fixed, hopefully I'll be back on it a better rider. :) Don't think I'll be ready for the twisties just yet, and I sure need way more miles under me than 50 to try that again.

Attached is a pic of where I think might have happened, but I totally have no clue where I actually was. :)

Have fun and be careful out there guys, and please let me know if you have any other hints and tips for me.

[Nozzle]

and the pic. :)

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/198/988/3064503-turn.jpg

[Warpkor]

Glad you made it out ok. If you haven't yet, sign up for an MSF class and do the emergency braking and weaving on their bike.

[MrCrash]

If you're gonna ride in jeans, you might want to invest in some motocross knee / shin armor that will fit underneath em.

Sounds like you're holding off on the twisties for a bit - probably a good thing. Once basic control of the bike becomes second nature, one of the South Bay Newb rides on Uvas might be in order. The terrain is a lot easier to negotiate than Grizzly and the like.

[Fullthrottle]

Glad your OK.Just a couple of tips My opinion only. Braking and corner entry should be done before the corner stay relaxed look where you want to go and don't ride beyond your abilities.Often a point of contention. I don't ever use the rear brake but each to your own

[RhythmRider]

That turn looks like a decreasing radius turn... those are tough! We all fall... glad you made it OK and your bike still works. Just get back on it and keep learning :-)

[aszreal1266]

I know exactly what turn your talking about. I blew that same turn the frist time i went up there. You starting making the turn thinking your ok and the turn just keeps going and going while your running wider and wider. its very easy to blow that turn. Glad to hear your ok.

[snowface]

Originally posted by GSXRider750
That turn looks like a decreasing radius turn... those are tough! We all fall... glad you made it OK and your bike still works. Just get back on it and keep learning :-)

true dat.



i found the twisties really difficult when i started. namely, decreasing radius turns, and steep downhills. your instincts are just all wrong.

i found that going with just one person helped me a lot, instead of a larger group, until i felt more comfortable.

good luck with the bike fixes! spend this downtime msf'ing and shopping for gear! :cool

[rritterson]

Grizzly Peak is not a place for newbies. When I read the "15 mph left" in your post, I immediately thought of that turn and hoped they didn't take you through it. It's one of the tougher turns out there, as it's downhill and the radius decreases quite a bit right at the apex.

You caught most of your mechanical mistake. I would add one more:

Slow down to less than the speed you think you'll need in the corner. When you are new to riding, it's easier to speed up in a corner than it is to slow down. Slow in, fast out.

Your biggest mistake, though, was trying to ride at the group's pace instead of your own. Never, ever, try to 'keep up' with a group. It distracts you from your own riding and immediately puts you out of your comfort zone.

One ride you might find fun and less taxing is Arlington Blvd. I don't know where you live in Berkeley, but assuming it's not very far north: take MLK ave and follow it north as it turns into 'the alameda' ave. Turn right at Marin ave, and when you get to the traffic circle, you want to go off on the road at about 10 o'clock that takes you uphill (not the insanely steep Marin ave ahead of you-- you want the road to the left of that)

[nweaver]

Since you said "white line", at least you were going it as a LHT. RHT its even worse (tighter, AND no visibility...)

However, remember, your BIKE CAN MAKE THE TURN. Without hanging off or anything else, that bike of yours could have gone through that turn at 40+ mph (assuming no dirt, no critters, no C@)$*( etc)

Your bike can make the turn. Trust your bike.

And GET BETTER GEAR!

[Nozzle]

Thanks for all the words. :)

Yeah, everyone in the group was saying that I could have made the turn, and I think I could have also. I just made a dumb mistake of thinking like a "driver" rather than a "rider".

As for the pace, I wasn't really trying to keep up with them, but more-so that I thought I could do what they were doing. (d'oh~) I was probably over-confident of not falling the first 2 hours, that I somehow felt like I could do better than I really could. :) I totally learned that I shouldn't compare what other people are doing, but only do what's comfortable for me.

As for gear, I'm thinking of doing track days in June, and will most likely buy a full-suit in couple of months (when my funds spring back) so hopefully I can last until then. :) I might just pick up knee-protectors and shin-guards for the meantime if I find enough courage to commute to work, but until then, I think I might wait for the suit.

Ryan: I'll definitely try Arlington Blvd when the bike is back in shape. MLK -> Alameda -> Marin -> Arlington -> McBryde, back to San Pablo and on 80 to Berkeley. :) Sounds like a fun ride!

Thank you all for the advices!

[xmasons]

*eesh* That turn.

Yeah, I've nearly run wide on the outside nearing that drop off. Scary business when you are trying not to go wide, trying not to target fixate on the drop off, and wanting to not panic.

Now that you know what to expect, you can deal with that corner.

I've seen other vehicles down that edge, so it is a sadly common occurance.

[panaltrator]

Damage to the GS was just the mirror? Post pics. I want to see the carnage.

[Hooli]

Originally posted by xmasons
*eesh* That turn.


What do you mean *eesh*?

That turn is fun! :)

[nweaver]

ALso, when I JUST started riding I saw a newby dump it in the turn going to the right. Jsut paniced and touched the front brake.

50 miles on his new DR-Z.

[MrCrash]

Where exactly on Grizzly is this section?

[wackyiraqi]

Originally posted by CityBikeMike
Where exactly on Grizzly is this section?

http://tinyurl.com/2argp4

[glwstik555]

Originally posted by CityBikeMike
Where exactly on Grizzly is this section?

Nozzle actually went down here on wildcat canyon.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&om=1&num=10&msa=0&msid=117811468213864256639.00000111ccd35c264d5a4&z=17&ll=37.897428,-122.219092&spn=0.005495,0.006598

fyi, i was the one that put the ride together and made it clear to everyone that this was basically a speed limit ride and always check our six to make sure we didn't leave anyone behind. we did go about 30mph preceding that 15mph turn (speed limit is 25). but i did slow down and go through that turn at 15-20.

[MrCrash]

Originally posted by wackyiraqi
http://tinyurl.com/2argp4

Thanks - I know the one now. I always get into that one a little hot on my road bike. Takes a bit of trail braking on the moto to get my line right - I can see how a new rider would find that one tricky.

Originally posted by glwstik555
Nozzle actually went down here on wildcat canyon.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&om=1&num=10&msa=0&msid=117811468213864256639.00000111ccd35c264d5a4&z=17&ll=37.897428,-122.219092&spn=0.005495,0.006598



IIRC, that lefty has some weird sealer-like pavement. I don't really trust the surface in that turn, and ride it like its wet.

The blind decreasing radius righty just up the hill from it is tricky too!

[glwstik555]

Originally posted by CityBikeMike
Thanks - I know the one now. I always get into that one a little hot on my road bike. Takes a bit of trail braking on the moto to get my line right - I can see how a new rider would find that one tricky.



IIRC, that lefty has some weird sealer-like pavement. I don't really trust the surface in that turn, and ride it like its wet.

The blind decreasing radius righty just up the hill from it is tricky too!

yeah, those turns can be tricky, but if you're riding at the speed limit and obeying the traffic laws (which we were doing), those turns can be done. shoot, my 10 year old daughter could've took that turn faster on her bicycle than we did on our motorycles. :laughing just messin' with you Hyung (nozzle). remember what we told u to say to your gf about your bike...someone backed into it while it was parked and that's how the mirror broke and the plastics got messed up.

remember, the only way to get better and more experience is too just jump back on the saddle and keep riding (u can only learn so much riding in a parking lot or in a straight line). most of us have gone down at one point or another. it's part of the learning process and risk that we take.

[Nozzle]

:) Thanks for the exact location... as I mentioned earlier, I had no clue where it really was and just guessed by the shape of the turn.

And unfortunately, my gf already found out.. :) It's all good, she's not going to stop me from riding, and we did have a long talk about being more careful next time.

Yeah, this was definitely a learning experience, and I'm very glad I (and the bike) came out with just minor damages. It really gave me the time to reflect back on myself and take things slow. I've taken my MSF course in 2005, and I've only been riding for a week! :)

Here are the pics as requested. First is the back that shows the cosmetic damages.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/198/988/3070249-img_1668.jpg

[Nozzle]

And here is a more overseeing picture from the front.

Broken left mirror/turn signal, broken and cracked fairing on the left side, and scratches all-around. You probably can't tell from the picture, but the handle has rotated outwards (forcing the controls towards the front wheel) as well.

Going to the Suzuki dealership in Oakland today to see if I can find the mirrors and the turn signal. Hopefully I can get it back in shape today, and maybe do some street-riding over the weekend.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/198/988/3070256-img_1675.jpg

[slydrite]

Originally posted by Nozzle
I've taken my MSF course in 2005, and I've only been riding for a week! :)


you obviously need to take it again....waiting 2 years to ride, after you took it is too long, even if you did learn how to corner properly then,.....think about it....it'll cost you $235 and how much will that crash end up costing you???

I would think more than $235 and you could've been hurt or hurt someone else....

also, all the pennisula roads are much more newb friendly....like 9 for instance.....East Bay roads like to eat n00bs as a snack.....I live in the EB and I will only ride on the pennisula and I've been riding for many years...the EB roads are just too scary....

[FzGuy]

Originally posted by wackyiraqi
http://tinyurl.com/2argp4

friend of mine managed to go into that turn (uphill) way to fast then as he explained to me, "i smashed my balls" making him straighten out, when i saw him a sec later after i went through the turn he was stopped in the other lane pointing off the side of the road with a few cars waiting in front of him. im still amazed he made it throught that.

i love grizzly, luckily so does my FZ, now i just need some good radials (screw that 16" front!!!), so i can really apreciate the twisties..

[nvp]

You asked for a bit of advice, so I'll give you my two cents (worth 3 cents in Canada).

First off, glad you are OK.

I too would suggest you take more schooling. I really don't mean any disrespect by this comment, but you don't yet know how a motorcyle turns. And that's OK... there's nothing that turns in the same way. I raced cars and mountain bikes before beginning riding motos and I too had to learn the basics.

There are (at least) two principles that would have helped you a lot.

1. Counter steering - This has to do with the dynamic that enables one to leverage the gyroscopic force created by your spinning wheels. They want to stand up and go straight. If you jumped off your bike at 30mph it would continue for quite a while without input. This effect is much stronger on motos due to thier weight than bicycles, so they require counter steering. The basics of this rule is you push forward on the side of the bars you want to go, L for L, R for R. This seems counter intuitive because, in essense, you are "steering" the bars opposite you would on a bicycle. It works. It's the only thing that works... especially as speeds increase, lean angles, and hence that gyroscopic force we were talking about.

2. Look where you want to go. Again, LOOK WHERE YOU WANT TO GO! It doesn't matter if you THINK you are going off the road, gonna hit a curb... whatever... LOOK WHERE YOU WANT TO GO! I have been on the track, missed my line and have had to physically pry my vision away from my likely crash site, back on the track where I wanted to end up. And it WORKS! In fact, it has saved me every time.

So, take a class and read some books. I like Keith Code's Superbike School because he breaks down these principles in a very simple way. Some say too simple, but what I have found is my form, my style has evolved from the foundational elements I was taught there and I now have my own form but stilll rooted in solid principle. I understand how a bike turns thanks to that school. I have taken all 4 levels, annd the 4th level twice. He also has written a few books. He is a terrible writer, but his principles are sound.

In fact, I took my first Superbike School day before I ever owned a bike... I used theirs.

Lastly, get better equipment.. please.

Be safe and thanks for sharing.

[rktitan]

i know exactly what turn you are talking about. take that turn slowly always, thats kind of a hard one to take. especially if you have no experience, grizzly peak is a very intimidating place.

[2>4]

That turn is a hell of a lot more fun to take on a bicycle going downhill than on my Ninja 250. I don't know why - stiffer suspension, quicker turn-in, or more cycling experience than moto? Definitely one of the tastiest corners in the EB hills.

I remember the time a rider on a 600 passed my road bike just before that turn, and we were going the same speed in the corner. He was leaned pretty damn far, almost touching down w/ his knee. I don't think I could keep that speed on the Ninjette.

[soltrain]

Oh wow - I've also just started with my GS, and the first time I took that on Grizzly, I really thought I might eat it as well. Well, that's how you learn though right? The bike doesn't look so bad - you sound fine, it's alll good.


Also, another plus for Arlington Road. I rode that a couple times when I just started, and still enjoy riding it. Nice views, traffic is good, and some nice curves as well.

Let me know if you wanna take a ride sometime, the GS's gotta stick together eh?

[Nozzle]

:) Let's do it sometime. I'm actually off on vacation (much needed YAY) for about a month, so let's shoot for May.

I just requested some parts off of Fremont Cycles as I got no responsed from gstwin and craigslist for them. Dealership's charging me 100 just for the parts!

I can't wait to ride some more... just going around the streets is sucking pretty bad. :)

[Mudge]

Originally posted by rritterson
Slow in, fast out.

An important early lesson, car or bike.

[motonewbie]

thats not a driver mistake, thats a newbie mistake

if you do that in a car in a proportionaly speed your front wheels will lock and you will slide forward.

car is same as bike when you try to hang a turn and you brake it goes diagonal cuz all the weight transfer onto the front

[Coffae]

NEXT Time you are in a situation where you are taking a turn too fast---

(Do this action before you even think of braking, or letting off the throttle.)

Turn your head as far as you can in the direction you want to go. Force your eyes off of the lines, the wall, the pole, the car...

Next thing you know you will be around the turn instead of picking yourself off of the ground--or worse.

It is human nature to focus (and transfix) on the thing that is endangering you. What you need to learn is to look for the (safety) exit, not the object.

Good luck learning to ride the twisties. Take it slow and before you know it, that turn will be "The fun one" for you too.

[vonlyf]

Don't know if it was that turn, but a few years ago I was riding alone there and on a very sharp downhill 180 I was really hugging the inside gutter and an old lady came around the turn completely in my lane, if I hadn't been leaning into the turn she would have mirrored me right in the teeth.

I turned around and became Ahnold for a few, pulling in front of the woman's car until she stopped and yelling full on at her through her cracked window. Her poor blind husband was horrified I'm sure.

I kept saying "you wanna clean my brains off your windows? Well DO YOU?"

I felt pretty bad afterward. I hope SHE did too.

[PhoS]

dead mans claims yet another :o

[masameet]

It's been a month since your initial post. Are you back and are you riding again? I think it really helps a newbie (I'm one!) to practice making progressively tight U-turns in a parking lot while keeping the head crammed into the turn and the eyes looking ahead, as it simulates and habituates a rider for riding the twisties.

And once on the road, a rider also needs to know where to turn and how to lean the bike (push it down) in the turn. Hope this illustration on where to initiate turns (another BARFer posted this and I ripped it to my PB) helps! (It did me.) Also a rider can feather the rear brake in turns but it's not a good habit.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/198/988/3125170-basic_turn.jpg

[Yody]

Wildcat Canyon is a terrible road for a newbie ride. The slower you go the worse it is, the faster you go the worse it is

[masameet]

Like anything, riding well takes practice.

I did Wildcat just the other day. Had a blast! Even took it faster than before -- how else to enjoy my DRZ? On the way home, caught a muscle car behind me. But the driver decided not to tailgate or overtake me. Made only one mistake: braked once (I'm trying not to brake; instead, I lean my bike over (push down on it), which action actually slows the whole bike in a controlled turn) -- at the last (and easy :cry) curve above Camino Pablo.

Also helps to have ridden Wildcat on a 10-speed.

[samsung]

I actually crashed on the turn preceding that one (El Toyonal intersection) this past Tuesday. Some of you may have seen a Kawasaki green bike on the side of the road if you happened to ride there on May 1st. There are a couple of mistakes that I made. 1) I wasn't wearing the proper riding gear (jeans). 2) I came into the turn at 30 MPH - I assumed that it was the same severity as all the previous turns coming from the Berkeley side. 3) I LOOKED at the gravel at the right side of the road instead of looking through the turn.

I'd like to believe that I low-sided because I slipped on gravel while turning, but most likely because my body straightened up and my head turned toward the gravel in a half-assed emergency stop attempt. I ended up taking the "Oh! Shucks!" Line and tumbled into the roadside. After a maximum dose of Vicodin and three days later (today) I find this post and realize that it was unadvisable for a noob like me to even be up there.

Fortunantely no broken bones or head injuries but a pretty sick abrasion injury on my left knee along with CHP towing fees are good incentives to not only buy pants, but to stick to roads that are at my skill level (Day 3 of riding). Hopefully a 2-3 week hiatus will give me time to reconsider my stupidity and to educate myself on riding techniques / roads.

EDIT: I have a youtube video of the E.R. Nurse cleaning my wound. But only available upon request because its not pretty :wow

[Nozzle]

everyone: :) I'll definitely train harder. Being newbie is a sticker that will naturally come off in time, so I just hope to not make any mistakes in the future.

masameet: Not yet. I was in Korea for 3 weeks so I didn't really get to ride much. I actually rode the day before my flight, and the bike ran OK. However, I realized how crappy of a rider I was because this was the first day I realized how much of a difference aggressively pushing on the handle bars turned the bike.

Any training done through MSF were passed with minimal handle-bar pushing, and only time I had to make big pushes were during figure-8's. Despite 48092945 million sightings of "push right, lean right, go right", I think my body was doing "lean right, hold the naturally swung handlebars in place, go right".

I felt so stupid not realizing that I wasn't doing the #1 rule of motorcycles correctly, and I also felt glad that now I can really ride the bike in more aggressive manner.

Actually getting all the maintenance done in the coming days, and will be back on the street/freeway in no time. Twisties, I think I'll hold off for now. I really need to practice the following:

1. Turning; especially slow-speed u-turns and seeing riding lines
2. Braking; doing emergency braking techniques and such so I don't panic in the future
3. Riding; I've rode for so little and had such a long break, I think I need to ride a long time to get back into shape again.

My 1-day civilian training with Alameda sheriff is in 2 weeks, so I hope to learn/train a lot on the 3 points above. :)

Thanks for the words and such great advices!

samsung: Dang, I'm sorry to hear that you've crashed as well. I really think twisties need to be put on hold until the person has been riding for at least couple of months. There's just no way for a newbie to stay focused, have good judgement, and/or know how to react in emergency situations without having significant seat-time. I hope you get well in time, and maybe we can do an easy easy ride together as you are in Berkeley as well. :)

I'm also looking into getting better gear now that I'm planning to ride a lot more with such great weather in the bay area. Boots are a must, but pants I was still iffy about. After your story, I'm not going to hesistate getting a nice leather pants. Hehehe. Knowing me though, I'll probably end up getting a fullsuit cause I'm lazy putting all the gear one at a time.

[iehawk]

Glad you're fine and I think you did OK. Why? Because you're analyzing it and realize what you could've done better.

When I was new, I went on rides with some riders who were nice enough to lead more at my pace.

One thing I learnt is always go at my pace. If I see him turn, I can see how fast he went, the line he took, and judge how I should do it.

What you did, you target fixated on the rider in front of you. After 2.5 hours of riding, it was only natural. You were tired and not used to being on the bike for that long. It happened to me with a less dire consequence.

So, take it easy and build your stamina to be on the bike. It's different and the only way to do it is gradually and get used to it. :)

[bmer97]

Originally posted by snowface
...
i found that going with just one person helped me a lot, instead of a larger group, until i felt more comfortable.
...

+1

I have many years of experience, and continue to avoid riding in groups; 100% attention on your own ride is absolutely necessary!

The "slow in, faster out" rule with curves will save you grief!

[thendougsaid]

ive done that before. it sucked. the second time around, i bit down and made the turn.

[thendougsaid]

Originally posted by masameet
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/198/988/3125170-basic_turn.jpg [/B]

skip barber strategy... i learned how to do that in gran tourismo.. hahahahaha.

[Aluisious]

Originally posted by Nozzle
I had ridden the bike maybe 5 days for a total of ~50 miles. I was browsing around BARF last Saturday, and somehow gotten a whiff of the 'Group Ride' forums. Got in contact with someone for a newbie Sunday ride, and ta-da. First experience at the twisties.

It was a slow-paced ride. Considering there was a total newb and a relatively newb riders in the group, they were going just barely faster than the speed limit. :)

I was still very nervous about the turns (especially since a lot of turns were blind), but I managed OK for the first 2 1/2 hours of the ride.

Then... a left-handed turn with a 15 MPH speed limit came up. I don't know what the hell I was thinking, but the guys in front of me were making it through pretty fast. Last time I saw the speedo, it said ~30. The turn looked ok, and I just leaned into it.

About 1/2 way into the turn, I was going slighty wide and going towards the white line. Thinking like a car-driver as I've been for the past 10 years and not like a motorcycle-rider that I've been for a week, I braked.

Dumb move in retrospect, but totally didn't even cause an alarm in my head while I was doing it. Well, the bike straighted out, and I hit the gravel. I panicked and rammed on the brakes (another stupid move if there was actually room), but the bike was already in gravel and heading for the leaves.

I fell off, and the bike suffered some damages to the left side.

Sore, bruised, and slight rash on the left side (between jacket and jeans)... but learned a lot about riding. Need pants or a full suit, need to practice emergency maneuvers (both swerving and braking), and definitely need to read up more about motorcycle mechanics to not make a newbie mistake like that.

Super thanks to everyone that made sure I was ok, that the bike was out of the leaves, and that it started back up.

As soon as everything's fixed, hopefully I'll be back on it a better rider. :) Don't think I'll be ready for the twisties just yet, and I sure need way more miles under me than 50 to try that again.

Attached is a pic of where I think might have happened, but I totally have no clue where I actually was. :)

Have fun and be careful out there guys, and please let me know if you have any other hints and tips for me.

This is pretty much like my accident on Skyline.

Wear proper gear, but get back out there and do it again, slowly. Just ride the area over and over and you'll pick it up.

[Ralph Herl]

Originally posted by Hooli
What do you mean *eesh*?

That turn is fun! :)

:teeth

http://diesel.smugmug.com/photos/1409269-M.jpg

[Aluisious]

Sounds like you made it out without a lot of grief but with more wisdom. Way to go.

Keep riding!

[soggydoo]

id pick upi "twist of the wrist" book or video. as out dated as the video is the thories are still true.

and get a track day in so you can feel out your bike, learn its abilities.maybe find a mentor?

a little more throttle and the bike finish out the turn.

[DEANO510]

I know that exact turn, I have gone wide there the first time I rode it. Luckily for me I just crossed the center line a little and there were no cars around and managed to lean the bike more into the turn...

[Dirtysix]

Can someone tell me where this road is...? I live out in Sacramento, Im gettin a group of guys together to head out around the bay!!! Thanks

[masameet]

Man, this thread has legs!

Here ya go:

Originally posted by glwstik555
Nozzle actually went down here on wildcat canyon.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&om=1&num=10&msa=0&msid=117811468213864256639.00000111ccd35c264d5a4&z=17&ll=37.897428,-122.219092&spn=0.005495,0.006598

fyi, i was the one that put the ride together and made it clear to everyone that this was basically a speed limit ride and always check our six to make sure we didn't leave anyone behind. we did go about 30mph preceding that 15mph turn (speed limit is 25). but i did slow down and go through that turn at 15-20.

[rizer]

I've been in the same boat.Except my face hit a telephone pole.I learned to not do what others do if I cant do it.And if you panic,,bad things will happen.

[DJNick]

Ahh the memories, that was my first crash location way back in the 80s.

[cfactor]

where you riding the new r6s?
I was behind some guy that went striaght instead of a left. I think that day that guy crashed 2 times.

I think I saw you at the 4 corners gas station.

I was riding a black R6s.. black helment and red jacket.

... last thursday I crashed on a slow turn i got high side and then landed on my collar bone and it broke :(..

im out of riding for like 1 month or 2... til i get get my surgery...

everyone ride safe.