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dubels
04-09-2007, 09:29 PM
Edit: Made it a little shorter.

I spent much of last year thinking about trackdays after a lady ran me off the road at an intersection and I went down. No one stopped to help me or give me information and off this lady went. Without a license plate or a willing witness I had no compensation just rashed plastics and a bruised ego.

I got my act together and instead of fixing my already rashed stock plastics I started preping my bike for trackdays. I lurked forums looking for leathers eventually picking up a set of two-piece leathers for $150 off of the WERA forums, $75 dollar f4i track plastics from SoCal forums, and landed killer deals on SMX-R boots $100 and a $385 Suomy Spec 1r Extreme.

Fast Forward to this year. Christmas money came in and I decided on my first trackday with ZoomZoom in the novice school at Sears on 3/12/07. Used birthday money to purchase a Dianese backprotector, and SS brakelines.

3/12 came and my dad offered to come with me on my first trackday, which helped a lot with calming me down. Hit my first session which was a follow lead session and wow was I lost. Sears Point requires a lot of rythm and flow. Through out the day I found myself in the wrong gear possibly because I am lazy on the street and try to shift the least amount of times possible since I am never just blasting it in the twisties or in town. Port4mance was running away from me in the follow lead session on a Husky :shhh.( I herd him backing it in on T11 a few times) Classrooms helped a lot but nothing could compare to the sessions with instructors towing me and showing me lines and working on my body positioning. Thanks to Oz, Dave, Ed and the other guys who helped me and told me not to worry about people behind me :applause. After lunch I was loving the track instead of fearing it and started going faster and faster. The fear came mostly from thinking that I was going into a turn too fast. I lacked rythm in most sections of the track it seemed like I was just pounding on the gas and then breaking as hard as I could. My suspension was not working with me and Aftershocks was not there so I started to slow my pace. I had a great time, met some great people. I ended the day almost where I had started scared of the track because I felt like I was getting pushed to go fast and I was holding up people.

Got my suspension worked on by Rob and a few other things fixed before heading back to SoCal.

I spent much of the end of March thinking about trackdays and Sears point. I would sit in class and think about the lines that OZ showed me and how to hit turn 9 faster. I was also itching to try out the suspension adjustments that Rob did. I finally had enough and went out to ACH to hit some twisties and in one day I saw three crashes. After that day I finally decided that maybe I would give trackdays another try. My bank account didn't like it but I ended up signing up for Ti2tt April 8th Willow Springs trackday.

Almost a month later I was on the track again. This time alone without knowing anyone or the track. Got into the C group riders meeting and watched Shawn at Ti2tt show lines on the chalk board and listened to the warnings about the track. The whole time I was trying to concentrate on what he was saying but I kept on hearing "Its a 150 mph turn if you want it to be", and "The runoff at Willow Springs is like much like boulders." I took my time the first session to learn the track. Session after session I was going faster and faster. The suspension adjustments that Rob did were great there was a lot of feedback from the tires and I gained much needed confidence in the tires with no more tearing. I was getting so close to dragging my knee. Only about a cm left of chicken strips :shhh. Working with the lines that Shawn give me I was actually passing people in the C group. I worked on lines, getting my body lower and markers most of the morning. I had problems with T8 because of the wind but it was not a problem I would end up catching up to the people who passed me on T8 by T2. I did have a "oh crap" moment in the morning when I was going about 85 in third going up the hill to t3, right before the turn I tried to pick a later marker to break and slamed down into second very late right as I turned in and I felt the front give a little then the rear got light and started to back in. I felt the rear get light and start to slide and my mind instantly told my wrist to not let off the throttle "Anything but chop...just stay on the throttle evenly and check your pants later." My confidence and pace went up without having to constantly fight what Kieth Code calls Survival Reactions like I did at Sears. Lunch time came and I was flying through the group and finding alternative lines to pass people on the outside finding my own flow and rythm to the track. I was so into my lines I ended up passing someone going up t3 and cutting across them in t4. Lucky it was the guy pitted next to me and I applogized :( . My fun ended when somehow I messed up my valve and my rear tire was leaking air. I didn't find out until two days after. But that combined with the wind caused my rear to be all over the place. I noticed the tearing that wasnt there before but didn't investigate. I almost ate it coming out of T8 some how a gust of wind blew the bike from under me casuing my legs to leave the pegs and my right foot to drag on the tarmac. I was just hanging on with my arms and chest on the tank. Holding a line on T8 was hard and I went from doing about a 100 on that turn to 60. By 3pm I called it a day and packed up and left because of the wind. I don't know if I like Willow Springs more than Sears it just seemed easier for me to ride Willow Springs.

After going through the day in my mind countless times today, which prompted this post. Just the rush of the track and the level of saftey that there is compared to the street makes it a much enjoyable experence. If you go down on the track someone is watching and coming to help unlike on the street. There a great group of guys and girls at the track that are very friendly and welcoming. Ti2tt threw a good day there was only one crash in the C group my whole time riding and my confidence in my tires and suspension greatly improved. I feel like I am now addicted to trackdays and am looking to sell my street bike and maybe get a track only bike. I know that this is going to another addiction that my wallet isn't going to like. When I first got my bike after graduating from high school I never imagined even placing my foot on a race track I thought it was just for the professionals and mad men. Now I feel that the riders that go fast on the streets are either very skilled or crazy maybe a little of both. My plans are to save up money and buy a trackday pass next year and possibly a gear indicator that I can use as I get use to the bike so I don't have anymore problems with being in the wrong gear.

Sorry for the long post as I know most of you who even click on this thread wont read it. I just needed to get this out of my system otherwise I would never be able to do any work this week. :applause for those who actually read through my ramblings.

rktitan
04-10-2007, 06:50 PM
yup same exact thing happened to me after easter sunday at infinion. i would definatly buy a season pass if there were more infinion races, cuz that place its only 40 miles away.

uraniaclio
04-10-2007, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by dubels

Sorry for the long post as I know most of you who even click on this thread wont read it. I just needed to get this out of my system otherwise I would never be able to do any work this week. :applause for those who actually read through my ramblings.

Here's the summary....

My dad held my hand to my first track day. I sucked. Didn't sulk. I did my 2nd track day and now I'm a junkie.

Welcome to the club, dubels. :)

You will be broke and obsessed. The next milestone will be your first photographic proof of dragging knee, then your first crash, etc...

You are doomed, my friend.

dubels
04-10-2007, 08:25 PM
Wow you read it. lol I really didn't intend on anyone reading it. I was trying to write a paper but I couldn't stop thinking about it. Yeah for some reason Sears Point just wasn't clicking with me. Maybe with the suspension and body ajustments I will do better. Hopefully my first crash wont be a highside it seems like it is just waiting to happen. I also need rearset risers because I keep on dragging peg and toe even when I place my toe far inside on the peg.

The funny thing is the only thing I fear about crashing is destroying my Suomy. I have fell in love with the thing and if I crash it I don't have the funds to replace it and still do trackdays and no way in hell am I going out with my HJC.

uraniaclio
04-10-2007, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by dubels
Wow you read it. lol I really didn't intend on anyone reading it. I was trying to write a paper but I couldn't stop thinking about it. Yeah for some reason Sears Point just wasn't clicking with me. Maybe with the suspension and body ajustments I will do better. Hopefully my first crash wont be a highside it seems like it is just waiting to happen. I also need rearset risers because I keep on dragging peg and toe even when I place my toe far inside on the peg.

Try to decrease your lean angle first. I was sniped like 3-4 times my first track day (keigwin's novice school which I recommend highly) due to excessive lean angle. Leaning over is fun so most crazy/dumb track newbs just go crazy trying to drag their helmets. :p

But yeah...more clearance is better.

Sears Point is a slower track with a lot of subtleties from what I hear. I like it much better than t-Hill because

1. It's slower
2. It's slower
3. It's slower

You get the picture. I learned how to ride the mountain twisties on my 250 so I'm more comfortable on slower tracks with fun turns. Im a bit of a pussy when it comes to speed.

Try to do some T-Hill days. It's got a reputation as a great learning track with a little bit of everything.

I was where u were at 6 months ago. The only thing better than getting excited about track days is actually doing track days like every other week.

Just don't get stupid and crash like I did. It hurts.

Let me know next time you're up at T-hill, Infineon, or Laguna. We can compare our Suomy's.

BTW, dont be knocking HJC. I've had 3 as my crash helmets. :teeth Nice cheap helmets. Just a bit heavy and pinches my ears.

Butch
04-10-2007, 08:51 PM
wow yer rite long story... I didnt reed it...

track days rock and are a good thing for all riders. Huge lessons for everone except the most pig headed.

Track days for everyone!!!

Maybe it can get attached to some appropriations bill...

Ratters
04-10-2007, 08:53 PM
I was there at Sears with you. Man, I had the opposite reaction. Other than pissing myself a couple times going into 9 too fast I just absolutely love that track. Everything flows really nicely and there are no long straightaways that I have to panic brake from. :toothless

I too have turned into a bit of a track junkie in my two and one rainy trackdays. I was nervous my first one because I had already purchased a bunch and what if I hated it? But man, it is a lot of fun. I just wish they were all at Sears. Last Sunday it took me 17 minutes to get from my house to the gate. Next Monday morning it's gonna be an hour and a half to get to Thill. :cry

Glad you are feeling more comfortable and faster. I felt MUCH more comfortable my second day. Though, I think Willow Springs would scare the hell out of me. Do they do days on the Streets of Willow track?

Hopefully we'll get to do some of the same days this summer up here.

dubels
04-10-2007, 09:23 PM
lol I was gridded next to you ratters, but I didn't say a thing because I was prob going through my braking markers for T1 and trying to not run through the dirt as much. I want to do more Norcal tracks but college prohibits me from doing so. Maybe in the summer when I come back to the bay. I think my problem with Sears was that it was my first trackday and I have heard so many things about the elevation changes and such. I was trying hard to go fast forcing my self to fight survival reactions. I think I just need to be smoother and I would love Sears. I constantly found myself in the wrong gear at Sears. Turn 1 freaked me out a couple of times and it threw my rythm off for the rest of the track. I can't say enough about how just the basic setup that Rob did for me improved everything. After a gear indicator, rearset relocators, and general maitence (CCT, and head bearing) I want to save up for suspension. Mainly springs for the fork because damn I am out of preload.

Willow Springs is very fun with the exception of the wind. The only really fast sections that make it seem so fast is t6--> the straight. Without the wind I feel like I could have comfortably hit 110 on t8 its not a very sharp turn more like this big loop you dont even have to slow down coming from t6 --> t7 --> t8 because there is a nice straight line. O yeah there isnt really any point where it goes from open 6th gear to a 2nd gear turn. After the straight I was comfortable hitting T1 after the stright in 3rd or 4th its a relatively fast turn then you pin it up to t2 and then slow down a little for t3 which is about a 70-80mph turn.

My next trackday might be on the Streets with CLASS because I want more instruction but Z2 isnt doing one until early June and the first two are sold out. Maybe the June 25th at T-Hill depends if I have a job for the summer. This is bad because its going to look like all my beer money is going into a trackday a month.

The only reason I hate my HJC was it was my first helmet and I prob didn't get it fitted right at East Bay Motorsports...(wonder why) and it is very loose right now. I wear it when I ride to class because everyone ends up kicking my helmet when they leave class anyways.

Sorry for the long response and story I am trying to do a research paper but I cant get anything on paper unless I am talking about trackdays. weird. Waiting on the pictures from Caliphotography to look at my change in body positioning.

Ratters thats you right? With the #13
http://thumb5.webshots.net/t/16/16/3/93/77/2514393770098745745VdJcvF_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2514393770098745745VdJcvF)

Ratters
04-10-2007, 11:39 PM
Yep, that's me.

And I never got turn 1 right. I was doing a little bit better the second day when I gave up trying to downshift for the turn and tried to take it a bit faster. But the rest of the track just seemed like heaven to me. I especially liked the 2-4 section. It also helped me when I realized I didn't need to slow down for 4 nearly as much as I was. In fact I took 2-6 all in the same gear. Not shifting probably wasnt the fastest way for me to get around the track but it allowed me to concentrate on turning smoothly. But yeah, my body position still majorly sucks. It was definitely better last Sunday but still a long way off. One thing that helped was practicing turning my shoulders into the turn rather than away from the turn. But half the time I'd forget to do it. :cry

I'm thinking of signing up for the 26th of June with Zoom Zoom but C is women only so I might try B. I have four trackdays there before that so maybe I'll be up to speed and smooth enough for people to pass me without too much trouble. :teeth

Felix el gato
04-10-2007, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Ratters

Glad you are feeling more comfortable and faster. I felt MUCH more comfortable my second day. Though, I think Willow Springs would scare the hell out of me. Do they do days on the Streets of Willow track?

Hopefully we'll get to do some of the same days this summer up here.

They do have track days at Streets of Willow....actually dirt cheap $ 110- $ 130 range
given the fact that accomodations are crappy ( worst bathrooms seen @tracks..).

Willow Springs is fine...technically I much prefer Buttonwillow and Fontana AMA course.

I don't recommend Big Willow or Streets of W. in July-August.....did my first T.day with my ZX10-R
last year mid-july:
was 115 f., track temp.: 150 f.
and I had new leathers.

linky:

http://www.biketweakers.com/trackcalendar_2007.html

:cool

dubels
04-11-2007, 10:49 AM
Yeah streets can get as cheap as $105. Not like the buildings and stuff are all that great at the big track. Nothing even close to Sears.

Oz
04-12-2007, 12:16 PM
Dubels,

Hope you can make it back up here for another trackday. I'm still hoping to do a trackday down at WillowSprings. So maybe I'll see you down there as well.

Remember to keep them feet up on the pegs..

Ratters,

Sign Up!!!

MrCrash
04-12-2007, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by MackeyStingray
lemme know when you plan on going to big willows oz.

Go race it!

Ratters
04-12-2007, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by BigOz
Dubels,

Hope you can make it back up here for another trackday. I'm still hoping to do a trackday down at WillowSprings. So maybe I'll see you down there as well.

Remember to keep them feet up on the pegs..

Ratters,

Sign Up!!!

Willow Springs is WAY too far away for me. I'm going to try and sign up for the end of June t hill day in B cause they won't let me sign up in C, so we can ride then.

dubels
04-12-2007, 11:32 PM
LOL Never say that. I am willing to travel all over for trackdays. Just Reno is a little too far. I was thinking about doing Miller but the racing2savelives day is the day of one of my finals. June sounds fun thinking about staying in C group so maybe not the day with the women group.

Ratters
04-12-2007, 11:51 PM
Well, I'm doing 16th, 17th with PTT in June, so you can try that. I'm also doing July 9 with PTT.

Oz
04-13-2007, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by Ratters
Willow Springs is WAY too far away for me. I'm going to try and sign up for the end of June t hill day in B cause they won't let me sign up in C, so we can ride then.

Sorry Steve,

That's what I meant..Sign up for end of June T-Hill. Should be a good day!:cool

Ratters
04-13-2007, 10:37 AM
Roger that.

Man, this is making me go broke worse than the guns. :cry

Oz
04-15-2007, 01:54 PM
Time to start selling some guns :)

dubels
04-15-2007, 02:45 PM
Hopefully someone will have a C spot to sell in June. Maybe I can even save some money that way. Can't wait to do another trackday with ZZ. I think I am going to do a trackday school with class in may depends if there are any spots left.

Ratters
04-15-2007, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by BigOz
Time to start selling some guns :)

:hand

That will never happen. ;)

I just need a better job. :teeth

dbenj
04-16-2007, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by dubels
Hopefully someone will have a C spot to sell in June. Maybe I can even save some money that way. Can't wait to do another trackday with ZZ. I think I am going to do a trackday school with class in may depends if there are any spots left.

Get on the waitlist (if you aren't already). People always cancel and we're still almost two months away.

--David

Dar25
04-16-2007, 02:46 PM
I've read the Original Post completely, do i get a cookie? :laughing

Seriously though, i think you are doing the right things and recognizing common novice mistakes. Dont put pressure on yourself to go fast, try to stay relaxed on a bike (i used to wave my elbows up and down before entering the corner to make sure my arms are relaxed). Dont focus too much on shifting gears or hard late braking. Just focus on staying smooth and doing good lines. Pretty soon you will notice that your corner speed starts to pick up and you will be coming of the track after every session with a huge smile on yor face. ;)

Best of luck!

dubels
04-16-2007, 04:37 PM
If you want a cookie I can always mail you one or give you one if I see you at a trackday.

I found out why my tire was tearing so much on my last session at WSIR. For some reason when I was trying to adjust my rear tire pressure I messed up the valve and it was losing pressure. Thats why two days after my trackday the rear tire was flat. After I reinflated it the tire has not leaked since. Scary if I decided to deal with the wind and continued to ride I could have been in for a rude awakening.

I have decided that after this summer my bike will be track only. The only reason is I need to commute to my job as a legal intern and deliever packages on my bike for this summer. I picked up a leo vince exhaust for my f4i for $120 so I am already heading in the wrong path lol. But yeah I plan to get rearset risers, and maybe suspension work if I can afford that. Still dont feel like I need a steering damper yet. I wish I could just sell my bike and find a cheap track only one that is setup already.