Diablo Corsa III as trackday tires?

[dubels]

I was looking around after noticing my front tire wearing down. I love my diablos because they feel stable but the only other tires I have ridden on were old 208s. I was planning on getting Corsa IIIs to replace the tires I have on my f4i now. My front went on way before my rear so I will most likely have to replace the front first. I was doing some research and found out that the Diablo Corsa III front is only one compound. Is there any difference in the Corsa III front and the regular diablo front? If not I was planning on getting a Diablo front and a Corsa III rear. Since I ride at C pace there is no need to go with anything like supercorsas. There is prob. no need to even go with Corsa IIIs but I just want to try out the new rear. I am somewhat tempted to try out Pilot Powers 2ct or even the Pilot Power Races since I have seen them listed for around 240. Or I could wait until Pirelli has the buy a rear and get a front for free deal again.

[uraniaclio]

Originally posted by dubels
I was looking around after noticing my front tire wearing down. I love my diablos because they feel stable but the only other tires I have ridden on were old 208s. I was planning on getting Corsa IIIs to replace the tires I have on my f4i now. My front went on way before my rear so I will most likely have to replace the front first. I was doing some research and found out that the Diablo Corsa III front is only one compound. Is there any difference in the Corsa III front and the regular diablo front? If not I was planning on getting a Diablo front and a Corsa III rear. Since I ride at C pace there is no need to go with anything like supercorsas. There is prob. no need to even go with Corsa IIIs but I just want to try out the new rear. I am somewhat tempted to try out Pilot Powers 2ct or even the Pilot Power Races since I have seen them listed for around 240. Or I could wait until Pirelli has the buy a rear and get a front for free deal again.

I dont know for sure but I run Diablo Corsa III and my friend used to run Diablos for his Duc and Diablo looks like a much harder compound than Corsa III. He was punking my ass on his Duc and the tires looked smooth after multiple track days.

I'd go with Corsa III's. I have them and they're nice. I've only run Supercorsa front though so I dont know how Corsa III front is.

I have to say, though that I was impressed with GP208's. U can get them for $280 mounted at track days and I was impressed. The freaking tire sticks to wheel chocks. That was the first time I've seen a tire do that. It seems to turn into liquid at room temperature.

[Ratters]

I run stock pilot powers on the track bike and in two days they've been flawless. I don't see a need for the 2ct myself. That said, I'll probably try the pilot race the next time, though I'm really not sure why. The stock pilot powers have not even come close to slipping even with my crappy abrupt inputs and trail braking deep into turn nine cause my braking sucks. :D

[uraniaclio]

Originally posted by Ratters
I run stock pilot powers on the track bike and in two days they've been flawless. I don't see a need for the 2ct myself. That said, I'll probably try the pilot race the next time, though I'm really not sure why. The stock pilot powers have not even come close to slipping even with my crappy abrupt inputs and trail braking deep into turn nine cause my braking sucks. :D

What u doing braking at 9? U should be gassing right through it. :teeth








Just make sure u go in at 35 mph :p

[dubels]

Wow GP208s for 280 mounted sounds like a good deal. But I found diablo corsas for 200 a set, not the Corsa IIIs. I have somewhat of a dislike for the Dunlops because the 208 I used just decided to give up on me one day and it never had the same kind of confidence the Diablos gave me. Interesting I have narrowed down my choices Diablo Corsas, GP208s, Pilot Powers, Diablo Corsa III. The problem is my rear is still newish so I might want to stay with Pirelli for now. Diablo Corsa IIIs are supposed to have a new front compound and at most places its only 6 dollars more. I could run Diablos again but its only about 16 dollars more to run Corsa IIIs and cheapest to run Corsas. But you do tempt me with GP208s mounted for $280.

Wonder what would happen if I mounted a Corsa front and rode with a Diablo rear...

[timpearson26]

It sounds like you have looked into prices a lot Dubels. What price have you found for the Pilot Power Races?

Correct me if I'm wrong, the F4i's are a size 180 rear right.

Tim

[afm199]

Corsas are excellent track day tires, WERA even has a series that races on them. You can run them at a moderate A pace. They stick good. DO NOT run them at 30-30. Run them up to 34-34.

Unless the new ones are different.

[uraniaclio]

Originally posted by afm199
Corsas are excellent track day tires, WERA even has a series that races on them. You can run them at a moderate A pace. They stick good. DO NOT run them at 30-30. Run them up to 34-34.

Unless the new ones are different.

Ohh. I've been running them at 30-29. Do they feel "swimmy" at that pressure? The tires were sliding on me on my last track day and I thought it was the suspension.

EDIT: Actually, my gauge was off. I was running them at 27-26 until the afternoon. :(

[Ratters]

Originally posted by uraniaclio
What u doing braking at 9? U should be gassing right through it. :teeth








Just make sure u go in at 35 mph :p

Um, turn 9 at Sears, not thill. :p The chicane.

[uraniaclio]

Originally posted by Ratters
Um, turn 9 at Sears, not thill. :p The chicane.

Okay so walk the bike in at 2 mph and gas through it.
I already do anyway. :p

[afm199]

Originally posted by uraniaclio
Ohh. I've been running them at 30-29. Do they feel "swimmy" at that pressure? The tires were sliding on me on my last track day and I thought it was the suspension.

EDIT: Actually, my gauge was off. I was running them at 27-26 until the afternoon. :(

WERA racers ended up running them at 34 because they wore out so fast at lower pressures. If you ran them under 30, wayyyy to low. That only applies to Corsas, I run my Supercorsas at 26-28

[uraniaclio]

Originally posted by afm199
WERA racers ended up running them at 34 because they wore out so fast at lower pressures. If you ran them under 30, wayyyy to low. That only applies to Corsas, I run my Supercorsas at 26-28

I have a supercorsa front and corsa 3 rear.
Does 28 front and 34 rear sound about right?

[dubels]

Some places are having sales on Corsas for 200 a set. I think I am just going to pick them up before they all disappear. Umm Regarding Power Races they have sales for around $240 but the thing is they are too soft or unwanted ones according to the other thread on tires. http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=199086

f4i runs 180

[Lebowski]

Pirelli rep says to run the Corsa 3's at 33/33. Seemed pretty good out at Infineon at those psi's.

I tried lower, but didn't feel any gain only more rear slippage under accel. Staying with the recommended 33.

[TL-R-id3r]

You will do just fine with Corsa III on the track. I got the deal with pirelli and the corsa. I decided to run and the track and they did very well. I ran 32psi. Here are some pics. I run B pace.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/199/772/3078255-rear_tire1.jpg

[CykoKlr]

Originally posted by afm199
Corsas are excellent track day tires, WERA even has a series that races on them. You can run them at a moderate A pace. They stick good. DO NOT run them at 30-30. Run them up to 34-34.

Unless the new ones are different.


Bingo... A + answer.

Diablo Corsas are great tires. I hated my 208's just like you. I ran the Corsa's for three track days and still put 3500 street miles on them after.

[antarius]

I'm a fan of the 2CT's myself, but yes, a Corsa III is fine.

[Zerox]

Originally posted by antarius
I'm a fan of the 2CT's myself, but yes, a Corsa III is fine.

I just got a set of the 2CT's for my TLS streetbike, gotta get out to the track one day and see how they stick.

[dubels]

"The front tire is constructed in conventional fashion, and uses a single compound that is comparable to the Pirelli Supercorsa medium compound SC2 tire. Sounds kinda boring after hearing about the rear tire, doesn't it? Why not a dual compound front tire? Pirelli's testing revealed that it wasn't necessary. And maybe luck was involved, but I nearly got away with using no weight to balance the front tire." - So the front Corsa III is better than the regular Diablo. But I think I am going to get the Corsas for $200 a set.

[CykoKlr]

But I think I am going to get the Corsas for $200 a set.

Where??? I could use a set for my street bike.

[dubels]

NVM the place that I was going to get it from ran out today. :( they only have one 120/70 front left for 85.

[antarius]

Originally posted by afm956
I just got a set of the 2CT's for my TLS streetbike, gotta get out to the track one day and see how they stick.

I switched from the Diablo's to the 2CT this year and I won't go back. I put about 4 trackdays on the 2CT's, 2 of which at a solid B pace, and not only did they stick but they wore evenly and didn't tear.

I love these things.

[schteve]

Originally posted by antarius
I switched from the Diablo's to the 2CT this year and I won't go back. I put about 4 trackdays on the 2CT's, 2 of which at a solid B pace, and not only did they stick but they wore evenly and didn't tear.

I love these things.

Good to know Antarius cuz i am heading to T-hill in the B group and i use to run standard PP's in the B group at Fernley and had great feedback as well as traction..Can't wait to see how these 2cts will hold on turn 1 and 2( not to mention 14 and 15)..

[antarius]

You'll love 'em... your B pace might be leaps and bounds faster than mine, but even still I'd bet you'll love 'em.

[image12]

So are the diablo corsa III softer than the pilot power 2ct?

Running in A on street tires is impressive.

[cvcruiser]

I was going to get the 2CT's as well. But I not sure if Id be throwing money away. My first trackday is a 2day novice school and I will be riding mostly street. I thought that the 2cts would be the best tire situated for what Im doing. I have an F4i as well. Any recommendations? I have a Dunlop sport-tourer 220 on the rear now but that was before I knew how fun it is on the twisties.

[antarius]

We're kind of hi-jacking the thread and turning it into another "tires" thread, but ohwell.

Tires are liek anything else with motorcycles, you are going to get varying opinions based on what people have used and had good luck with, or bad luck, or whatever.

What you need to do is find a tire that suits your riding style, your budget, and satisfies you enough to give you the confidence to not worry about that tire.

For me, the 2CT does exactly those things, most notably gives me the confidence to stuff the front into corners a lot harder than I used to on my Corsas.

That said, my friend is in love with his Corsas and is every bit as fast (or slow) as me on them, and has no problems what so ever.

I'll recommend the 2CT's, especially for a mix of street/track, but you will undoubtedly get other recommendations as well.

[TL-R-id3r]

Look the point here is not if 2ct is better than corsa III. Is to find out if the corsa III will be good enough for a track day. ON previous posting I mentioned that I recently had a track day @ buttonwillow with corsa III and they did great, maybe 2ct is better, but that question was about CORSA III. Just check my reply on this thread.

[antarius]

Originally posted by TL-R-id3r
Look the point here is not if 2ct is better than corsa III. Is to find out if the corsa III will be good enough for a track day. ON previous posting I mentioned that I recently had a track day @ buttonwillow with corsa III and they did great, maybe 2ct is better, but that question was about CORSA III. Just check my reply on this thread.

Relax.

That's why I apologized at the beginning of my post for basically hijacking the thread and responding with a "which tires are the best!" type post.

Good God, if you're this up tight on BARF, I can't imagine you in the real world.

[dubels]

LoL I just wish there was just a general tire thread where all of this info could be put together. Or even better yet a tire sub section because there are just so many tire questions. I have never ridden on PPs but I have heard great things. My f4i loves the diablos on them right now thats why I was considering just staying with diablos. With having to replace my front before my rear I will most likely go with a diablo (Regular, corsa, or corsa III) in the front because my rear would still be a diablo for some time.

BTW some tire dealers did not like the 2ct for trackday tires. The corsa IIIs are not regular diablo compound in the center they are Corsa compound in the center and newer soft compound on the outsides. Which in theory makes them softer than the 2ct because correct me if I am wrong the 2ct has a regular pp center.

[uraniaclio]

Originally posted by dubels

BTW some tire dealers did not like the 2ct for trackday tires. The corsa IIIs are not regular diablo compound in the center they are Corsa compound in the center and newer soft compound on the outsides. Which in theory makes them softer than the 2ct because correct me if I am wrong the 2ct has a regular pp center.

My understanding is that 2ct is a notoriously bad cold tire and tends to go without warning whereas Pirellis in general will give you plenty of warning.

I like Pirelli tires in general. Not the longest lasting but...I've heard racers complain that the tire carcass is too soft and dont give much feedback. I like them personally.

I've run MT 75, Sport Demons, Corsa III, and SuperCorsa Pros.

[Zerox]

Originally posted by dubels
LoL I just wish there was just a general tire thread where all of this info could be put together.

Awww, as is often said, tires are just black round things. Get the tires for your category of riding and you'll be fine. The tire technology....cripes it advances so fast it's hard to keep up with it.

[thesenior]

Sorry about the thread jumping but: anyone know a good PSI for the 2ct's for the track? This is my first time on them. In the past, i have used PP and the Power Race... PP at 30/28 and the Race at 22/16 (as dictated by the Michelin dude that was always at the trackdays and races in Texas.
As for the Corsa III... i have heard GREAT things about them outside of wear longevity.
I have heard from a lot of different racers that Michelin's will grip alot better and longer and at greater angles than any other brand, but WILL just suddenly slip with no warning. Pirelli and Dunlop supposedly are not as grippy as the Michelin's but will give you some signs and slippage before they go so you know you have reached their limit.
So far.. i have found that i do NOT like Bridgstone's because they do not grip all that well for my riding style, and i love Michelin's for my style. I generally was able to get two trackdays out of Power Race... on the third trackday they were toast and i couldnt trust them. they would suddenly slip and need saving or just go at a slower pace. I was usually able to get 2 to 4 trackdays out of Pilot Powers with about 3000 miles of road use as well. It depended on how hard i pushed them in the track day.

[dubels]

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=200160 -2ct pressure

[galaxy]

Originally posted by dubels


BTW some tire dealers did not like the 2ct for trackday tires. The corsa IIIs are not regular diablo compound in the center they are Corsa compound in the center and newer soft compound on the outsides. Which in theory makes them softer than the 2ct because correct me if I am wrong the 2ct has a regular pp center.


You are correct about both tires....Cosa III has a Corsa center and the 2CT has a standard PP center...but who knows if one is an umpth degree softer than the other since the Corsa and PP were counterparts anyways. Here's some good reading on the Corsa's. I think this article is about the Corsa's and not the III's, but would imagine it still applies.

http://www.docsd.com/viewtopic.php?t=2637&highlight=diablo+corsa+iii

[dubels]

I thought the PPs were compared more to the Diablos. Either way I think you can't go wrong with either one of them. The slides that I have experinced on my Diablos were much more predictable and consistant. Unlike the 208s I ran before. I liked the stock bridgestones that I had on my front better than the 208. I am willing to try bridgestones, michelins, and pirellis very hesitant to try dunflops