RRW - The Rookie papers...what a disaster! [Archive] - BARF

Trackho

04-26-2007, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Holeshot
Does anyone else read this? What a complete disaster this Marshall Skloss is! I just finished the latest article of his which had him crashing no less than 3 times in 5 outings, dragging mud onto the track and caring less about it (after crashing in the mud and continuing on...for an AMATEUR finish), laying coolant all over the track and crashing in it, laying coolant AGAIN on the track (knowing he was doing this) and crashing the frontrunner and his friend...

What a total fuckstain! Is this the kind of guy we'd consider AFM action against? Cant agree more--tempted to write an editoial--I gringe everytime I read that fucktards article--ie who did he try to kill today--apparently one of his buddies

Want me to send Ulrich a link to this thread??Were long lost buddies--well kinda:laughing :laughing

evolution247

04-26-2007, 12:14 PM

Didn't he say he lost his marriage over this championship too? That was dumb. It made for interesting reading but it does sound like he thinks he's going to go pro. :laughing

kneedrag

04-26-2007, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Ssketchy RC
Even worse is that I think since RRW is printing it they are showing that they support this type of behavior.

I like the fact that RRW doesn't edit the content. I know there was very little editing to the stories they've published of mine. In hindsight I'd wish some of my stories were edited in the interest of making it a better read. If you what to hang yourself by a pen, go ahead. Ulrich prints it and lets the readers decide for themselves.

I think it's a good thing this numb nut is dumb enough to submit his stories. It works as a warning to others. It’s disappointing to know that there are people out there with that kind of thought process, but I'm thankfully for being aware of it. Hopefully his race org is clued in to his warped mindset and will take appropriate steps to alter his perception of club racing.

Holeshot

04-26-2007, 02:11 PM

Shawn, perhaps the new racer school should read his stories and discuss just how fucked up he really is....

kneedrag

04-26-2007, 02:39 PM

We'll make it part of the required curriculum.

Kurt'sSV

04-26-2007, 05:18 PM

Yeah, I totally thought this guy was a dumb sh*t after the first article. I don't know how a new racer gets hooked up with this deal, but I would have preferred someone else.

Last year or the year before they tried having two going at the same time. A younger guy and an older guy (racing in different series). The young guy did two articles before he wrote about crashing the daylights out of himself. The older guy was boring because he wrote about being slow.

joe

04-26-2007, 05:21 PM

they need to bring back the AOD article.

Trackho

04-26-2007, 07:15 PM

It would funny if the guy ran in AFM as it would humble the shit out of him running with experts--my novice year I got Top Novice in 80% of my races and only crashed once on my own accord--so what I got the King of the Fucktards tophy--BFD.

Funny as I didnt take out a single person, stayed married, kept the house and even got my wife pregnant and took care of a newborn--prolly wouldn't be all that interesting.

No "Tales from the FuckStain" :laughing :laughing :laughing

Kameron808

04-26-2007, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Holeshot
Does anyone else read this? What a complete disaster this Marshall Skloss is! I just finished the latest article of his which had him crashing no less than 3 times in 5 outings, dragging mud onto the track and caring less about it (after crashing in the mud and continuing on...for an AMATEUR finish), laying coolant all over the track and crashing in it, laying coolant AGAIN on the track (knowing he was doing this) and crashing the frontrunner and his friend...

What a total fuckstain! Is this the kind of guy we'd consider AFM action against?
Fuck, I'm glad you mentioned this. In one part he mentions feeling guilty for possibly causing another racer's wreck and injuries and that he swears he learned his lesson. He then he goes on to talk about throwing clumps of dirt all over the track that he sees people riding through but he says "Sorry guys, points are points!" I was pissed, I'm glad I'm not crazy. Good looking out Berto.

trent

04-26-2007, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Kurt'sSV
Yeah, I totally thought this guy was a dumb sh*t after the first article. I don't know how a new racer gets hooked up with this deal, but I would have preferred someone else.

Last year or the year before they tried having two going at the same time. A younger guy and an older guy (racing in different series). The young guy did two articles before he wrote about crashing the daylights out of himself. The older guy was boring because he wrote about being slow.

They hook up with the deal by submitting their experiences on spec. If JU likes it, he'll print it.

The kid stopped racing because he had an opportunity in the moto field that required he step away from racing for a bit to focus on the career (I think he was buying a shop or something like that). The older guy was, I thought, an interesting perspective on balancing career, family and racing and still having heaps of fun despite not being the quickest.

420

04-27-2007, 02:25 PM

Dude ... this thread made me kick back and browse through a couple of these articles and I am trying to figure out why you all are getting worked up over this bloke. Sure he has made a few mistakes, but sheit I am willing to bet all of you made some mistakes in your rookie years. He didn't go out knowing he had water and cause that accident, that happend before. He did cause himself to crash though; stupid, sure! He lost his wife the previous year after breaking his back, apparently there were issues with the relationship anyway. He was a dumb ass and forgot to tighten his caliper bolts, among some other stupid things. I have heard of worse from some people currently racing AFM and other orgs. Fast people too.

I think this series of articles is good. It highlights some of the rookie mistakes that most make and hopefully will help some people avoid them in the future. Making the track safer for all of us.

My $4.20.

Corey11c

04-27-2007, 02:51 PM

Are you sleeping with him, Jay? You guys in love? How dare you go against the rants and raves of the rest of the posters.

..................Traitor........see you at Sears.

420

04-27-2007, 03:09 PM

Love him him not... sorry ...

Sears is out, family emergency popped up, after I was up til 1:30am preping the bike last night.... ohhh well .... Blood before glory!

Sklossmonster

05-11-2007, 10:34 AM

Hey guys,

Wow. Glad to know I'm making friends out there in the racing community.

I don't mean to dampen a good rant session, but I heard about the beating I was taking on this forum so I popped in to check it out. Man, you guys are almost making me hate myself!

If you haven't already guessed, I'm Marshall, AKA "The Fuckstain" and I thought I'd clear up a few points in your "discussion"

First of all, yes I did some stupid shit in my first few weekends racing, haven't we all? And I learned from those mistakes. The reason I included them in the articles was to hopefully help other rookies do the same thing.

To clarify a couple of points. The brake caliper incident was a huge mistake, but I was furiously switching wheels in a dimly lit and crowded trailer in the middle of a downpour. And yes, I forgot to tighten the caliper bolts ... like an idiot, but it was an honest mistake I hope no one else ever makes. The tech inspector didn't catch it, and neither did I. Thus, the "lesson" of always checking your bike over again.

As for the dirt clumps falling off my bike after I remounted at Heartland. I had no idea the dirt I was racing through in some corners was coming off my bike. You guys know sometimes you see dirt or debris on track during a race, I just figured it was from something else. And when you're leading six championships, amateur or not, I'd be willing to bet each and every one of you would try to remount, do a few corners off the racing line, and get back up to speed to earn whatever points you can. No corner workers black flagged me, and I didn't know the dirt was falling off my bike until after the race, so I rode as hard as I could to the checkered flag with a seperated shoulder.

And the infamous water in the bellypan incident ... yes, it was one of the stupidest things I've ever done, and I learned from it. But in my defense, I didn't head back out onto the track, I was already on the starting grid when my buddy noticed it from across the wall. The grid started heading out for the warm up lap, and my idiotic race monkey brain thought, "Hey, it's not oil or gasoline, or even coolant, it's just a little water." Hindsight is 20/20, but I sure wish I had that one to do over again, because even though we can't say for sure if Nate crashed in water from my bike, it sure was a strong possibility, and when it happened I HAD NO IDEA there was water in my bellypan. Damned experience, it's a great teacher ... as long as you can afford the lessons.

Anyway, I'm sorry so many of you are getting such a negative vibe from the series. I really didn't write them thinking about how other people would judge what happened, and especially not that they would generate such ill will. I just wrote what was happening and what could be learned from a rookie's first full season.

So there you have it, hate if you will, but try and cut me at least a little slack. I'm really not nearly as big a "Fuckstain" as some of you seem to think.

Good luck in your various seasons,

Marshall

dgrace

05-11-2007, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster
I did some stupid shit in my first few weekends racing, haven't we all?

Since you asked, actually no. I spent my first season listening to the advice of more experienced guys and getting faster without drama or carnage.

But kudos for joining and posting your side of the story - welcome to BARF! :thumbup

dave

NoQuarter

05-11-2007, 11:02 AM

BARF goes national! :laughing

what up Marshall... first off, kudos for jumping into the fire here. fortunately for you, the flames probably won't cause much damage from 2000 miles away.

as for the articles, yep, it's pretty hard not to have a "wft" reaction when reading them... really makes club racing out to be the province of crazy, obbsessive compulsive freaks. which maybe we are, but no one likes to be reminded of such. :laughing

considering you're not a professional writer (i don't think) it's pretty easy to see how a written and published 'confessional' of sorts could easily be taken differently than intended. that being said, one should always consider that the reader will be judging them based on their account of their actions.

on the upside, now you've got some national name recognition... which is kinda the point of writing in a national publication i suppose.

Ace of Hearts

05-11-2007, 11:03 AM

Anyone call Troll???

Originally posted by Sklossmonster

First of all, yes I did some stupid shit in my first few weekends racing, haven't we all?

Usually not in such a compressed time frame, or as overt.

1) The brake caliper incident
2) Dirt clumps falling off my bike after I remounted at Heartland.
2a) I rode as hard as I could to the checkered flag with a separated shoulder.
3) And the infamous water in the belly pan incident

What I guess it really comes down to is that different clubs have different tolerance levels. You would likely not have had as many incidences out here since you’d likely would have been given a good talking too or suspended.

I've met some of the nicest racers in the activity, but they are still oblivious. I guess that's what your write up in RRW shows you as from a veteran's perspective.

Ace of Hearts

05-11-2007, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by dgrace
Since you asked, actually no. I spent my first season listening to the advice of more experienced guys and getting faster without drama or carnage.

dave

Oh, and I spent a year preparing to start racing. Like going to races before I even started and checking out how things were done, and knowing what I needed to make my weekends go off well.

No one knows this, but I will confess it now. When I took the new racer's school (as put on by AFM at the time) I had anti-freeze in my radiator :teeth

Originally it was water, but I had it serviced and the mechanics put regular coolant back in it. That's by "excuse", but it still was glycol based :teeth

I didn't crash or anything, but I'm sure I would have been strung up if I had.

Here's one thing I've taken to heart in my racing activities. Have your machine finished and ready to go the weekend before. Arrive at the track ready to go. At most, never need to do anything more than tires.

It makes a world of difference when all you have to do is set up pit, sign in, and go to tech.

Sklossmonster

05-11-2007, 11:20 AM

Thanks for not decapitating me for sticking my head into this thread.

I really have learned a lot along the way, and although I know it seems like a lot of mishaps in a short period of time, keep in mind I ran 93 races last season and can count on one hand the number of really stupid mistakes that took place.

When you consider the number of races versus crashes and dumbass mistakes, it's actually not as bad a ratio as it seems. It's just that all those clean laps and good decisions don't make nearly as good a story/lessons as the crashes and fuckups.

Anyway, I hope you guys "enjoy" some of the future installments.

Again, best of luck in your seasons, and thanks again for not teeing off on me for attempting to elaborate on some of the issues in question.

Later,

Marshall

Ace of Hearts

05-11-2007, 11:30 AM

Actually, there are plenty of bigger of mistakes I've seen at the track.

Like the time in the pits some moron, lent his race bike to another moron (who was a racer), and then moron #2 let a third moron who had never rode a motorcycle use the bike in the pits.

Moron #3 then proceeded to rev the bike to the heavens. He got my attention as I was swapping out a rear tire I thought to myself, wow that sounds like the person doesn't know what he is doing (as I myself has seen others do it, rev the throttle too much because they are unfamiliar with how sensitive it is). He let the clutch out and the bike launched into someone elses pits.

At least you're not that guy.

evolution247

05-11-2007, 11:32 AM

Wow. BARF has such a huge following that our ranting and raving trickled all the way across the land to the writer himself.

Good stuff. Almost brings a tear to my eye. Almost. :teeth

afm199

05-11-2007, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster
Thanks for not decapitating me for sticking my head into this thread.

I really have learned a lot along the way, and although I know it seems like a lot of mishaps in a short period of time, keep in mind I ran 93 races last season and can count on one hand the number of really stupid mistakes that took place.

When you consider the number of races versus crashes and dumbass mistakes, it's actually not as bad a ratio as it seems. It's just that all those clean laps and good decisions don't make nearly as good a story/lessons as the crashes and fuckups.

Anyway, I hope you guys "enjoy" some of the future installments.

Again, best of luck in your seasons, and thanks again for not teeing off on me for attempting to elaborate on some of the issues in question.

Later,

Marshall

The issue is reall whether your enthusiasm can be contained enough to prevent further "mistakes". Your actions no only affect you, they affect all of us on the track.

Sounds like you are learning from your mistakes. Have a good season and ride safe.

Holeshot

05-11-2007, 11:42 AM

Good on your for manning up Marhsall...that takes balls.

That being said, not many of have done what your history entails. Those that have aren't with the club anymore...nor racing for that matter. I suppose you guys do stuff differently out there, but here, that shit wouldn't fly. Consider this: one guy put down synthetic oil from a cracked case cover. THAT was a big issue alone.

If a new racer (or even experienced for that matter) did some of the things mentioned in your article, they'd be banned for the season. I honestly thought things may have been embellished some until I read your response...my suggestion is "Clean it up man". I believe John U may have printed the articles just for this sort of response...IMO.

CykoKlr

05-11-2007, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster

keep in mind I ran 93 races last season and can count on one hand the number of really stupid mistakes that took place.
Later,

Marshall

93 F'n races. Thats 10 seasons for some AFM racers.:laughing

NSR250SP

05-11-2007, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster

...
First of all, yes I did some stupid shit in my first few weekends racing, haven't we all? And I learned from those mistakes.
...

To clarify a couple of points. The brake caliper incident was a huge mistake
...

As for the dirt clumps falling off my bike after I remounted at Heartland. I had no idea the dirt I was racing through in some corners was coming off my bike.
...

And the infamous water in the bellypan incident ... yes, it was one of the stupidest things I've ever done, and I learned from it.
...

So there you have it, hate if you will, but try and cut me at least a little slack. I'm really not nearly as big a "Fuckstain" as some of you seem to think.

Good luck in your various seasons,

Marshall

Marshall,

I see a pattern in your learning experiences. The pattern is you don't actually take note of what you learned and make sure you don't do things again.

Yes we all make stupid mistakes when we start. But learning from the first dangerous mistake and not repeating dangerous mistakes over and over again is what people are having issues with.

Fine you may not forget to torque your caliper bolts down again. But there are so many other things you haven't learned yet that it seems you will need to experience each and every one of them for yourself so you can learn them. Most people do something stupid and dangerous and step back, examine what they are doing and apply that learning experience to the rest of their program. You on the other hand seem to have tunnel vision and that is what makes you unsafe on the track.

It's sad that you didn't figure out your rookie year isn't about winning the championship, its about learning how to be a good safe racer and to live through that experience so you can have a go at it for a second season.

Since your taking off this season, maybe you can actually sit back, review what your experiences were and learn from them.

Now onto your article... You claim your sending in the article so others can learn from you. The problem is you are failing to point out your own short comings in your article so those that are less educated with racing can know what not to do. Instead people may be coming away from your article with the thought that this is all okay cause this guy in the midlands who has his own column did it (and didn't explain how wrong it was).

Sklossmonster

05-11-2007, 12:26 PM

Actually, the series was originally entitled, "Lessons of a Privateer" but John changed the title to "The Rookie Papers"

The original format was much more about highlighting the "lessons" themselves, but when printed they seem to be less of the focus.

In retrospect, given some of the feedback I've seen thus far, I should've made much more of an effort to point out what was to be learned, rather than just what happened. But again, as I wrote them they were really just verbal memoirs of an insanely busy season from a guy who was trying to compete at that level while juggling all the other stuff you're all familiar with in life.

I could've cleaned it all up nice and pretty, and spun it like I was some kind of amateur hero, but what I wrote was an honest account of what was happening, weekend to weekend, while holding down a full time job, maintaining an old home, recovering from a divorce, blah, blah, blah. You get the picture.

Anyway, I honestly do feel like I learned a lot of lessons, many of them the hard way. And I've passed on a ton of what I learned to guys just like me going into racing for the first time. And as I'm sure you guys all know, the more of this kind of stuff that people read and hear about, the safer an experience everyone can enjoy on track.

Ace of Hearts

05-11-2007, 12:43 PM

Oh and for the caliper thing, we have to tie them off or RTV them (which adds an additional level of oversite that might prevent such an error).

I've also caught myself not correctly putting in my rear brake pad once, and had to turn around before I got to the track and cut a practice session short.

There are SOOOOO many little things and it happens to SOOO many people ALL the time at race weekends. Most of them know enough to take pause.

We could totally go on a tangent here and point to the 93 races. The AFM point system does not reward trophies for cranking out as many races as possible. And our weekend structure does not permit one to race that much, and our class structure prevents one from running a single bike in just about every class. To even race 10 races a weekend with AFM (and get in 80 races a season) the person would have to have 6 bikes and run more than half the day constantly on the bike.

With AFM to get a trophie you pretty much have to be faster than the person next to you. With other clubs you simply just have to run a lot of races at a lot of events.

Take it back a step, and how about run 2 races a weekend. Thus giving you a lot of time to think things through before you hit the track over and over and over with little time to even as much fill the tank.

Sklossmonster

05-11-2007, 12:50 PM

For sure, I would never run that many classes again. It all started with me running my 750 in the six different classes available. But once Curt came along, running eight classes to my six, and trying to steal the "Midwest Overall Championship" I decided to get another bike to be eligible for more classes. In the end, we wound up running ten classes a weekend, on two different bikes.

I totally agree, too many classes. I'd rather run one or two races that are longer in length, but CCS runs a lot of sprint races so they can have tons of classes.

The only championship that multiple classes count for is the "Overall" which is kind of bogus. But all the other classes are straight up. And yes, I was on the bike almost all damn day. And believe me, you don't win any of those championships without being faster than the guys you grid up with.

dgrace

05-11-2007, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Ace of Hearts
With AFM to get a trophie you pretty much have to be faster than the person next to you.

Or enter Super Dino. Or F-Singles. Or any Vintage race. But that's a whole other thread... :teeth

dave

Father J

05-11-2007, 01:44 PM

I think some good will actually come from this..
Some future "new racers" will probably read the articles and say(hopefully) to themselves "I don't want to be That Guy" and it will make them be more attentive to what they are doing.

I have'nt read them 'cause RRW can lick the sweat from my sack as far as I'm concerned(Is a subscription 4 issues long?:confused)

BTW "Welcome to BARF Fuckstain"..I mean..Marshall :twofinger

J-

Trackho

05-11-2007, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster
The brake caliper incident was a huge mistake, but I was furiously switching wheels in a dimly lit and crowded trailer in the middle of a downpour. And yes, I forgot to tighten the caliper bolts ... like an idiot, but it was an honest mistake I hope no one else ever makes. The tech inspector didn't catch it, and neither did I. Thus, the "lesson" of always checking your bike over again.
Marshall

Hehe--You must have talked to Ulrich or Resus--Youre Welcome;) ;)

Does CCS NOT require Saftey wire on Caliper bolts(thats plain old scary)????I dont see how this is possible if saftey wire is required--it certainly is for us.

I hear ALOT of excuses/rationalizations, yet still a general trend towards incredibly dangerous actions/in actions--Now this month you bought two 600s--only compounding your potential issues--creating a worse environment for you fellow racers--hopefully you will get some assistance to reduce the probability of a deadly error.

FYI --A "King of the CCS Tards (Amatuer/Novice/Whatever)" isnt worth breaking a fingernail over

jrace

05-11-2007, 02:45 PM

Marshall, come hang out on BARF for awhile. That way, you'll find it's *impossible* to fit 93 races into a season with all the posting you'll do. :D

-jim

trent

05-11-2007, 02:45 PM

Some of you are absolutely amazing.

:deadhorse

Racer_Boy

05-11-2007, 03:04 PM

Hey Marshall, thanks for popping in and giving us some further info. I stopped in to EAC to say hello when I was home for Christmas but I missed you. Don't get to bent about all the crap you have/will get from these AFM guys, the club in general has a pretty strong need to feel superior. Next time I'm back in Evanston, I'll try to look you up!

budman

05-11-2007, 03:26 PM

Marshall .. like Holeshot said.. it took balls and props to you for giving us your feedback.

That many classes in a day has to be total havoc and a challenge..:wow

Welcome to :barf

Look forward to seeing future articles.

:smoking

Holeshot

05-11-2007, 04:25 PM

Actually Devin, most AFM club members have a need to put safety first. Don't mind the fact that the AFM airfence will be used for the AMA event.

420

05-11-2007, 04:48 PM

Actually Holeshot, many of us have race in many organizations across the country and many of us have seen AFMers make just as many stupid mistakes as the racers in the next org. AFM has its fair share of what some may call "stupid" practices.
And actually EVERY org proclaims safety as a priority and tries to do something about it. AFM happens to race at a very dangerous track (Sears) and airfence is a neccesity, so it is bought and used.
I have raced in orgs where the tech is much more stringent than AFM if you believe that leads to increased safety.
Don't preach stuff here to those who may not know and believe everything you say.

AFM is a great organization, as are all the others that promote racing motorcycles throughout the country.

Good job Marshall from another Chicago boy on the west coast. We've all made dumb mistakes, just most of ours aren't published worldwide...

AFM#719

05-11-2007, 04:53 PM

Too funny or too dangerous?

This can't be real... If so, Berto is spot on. If not, great entertainment!!

Thx BARF! :applause

Sklossmonster

05-11-2007, 04:57 PM

No worries. Sorry I missed you, Devin, thanks for stopping in, another time, man, another time.

Thanks, Budman, it was pretty insane running so many sprints. I'm glad I survived it, but I wouldn't want to try that many classes again.

Trackho, I know a couple of "CCS Tards" who might surprise you. I hope you get an opportunity to grid up against them sometime.

Holeshot, I love your avatar, man. I'm an old school comic collector from back in the day. DC wasn't really my thing, I was a Marvel guy, and I alway dug Cap, and I've never seen that image. Sweet, very nice.

420, I appreciate your objective opinions, thanks for shedding some light on a few items in here.

To all, I hope you can get out of those articles what I tried to put in them, and try not to be too judgemental. The bad stuff makes for better copy than the uneventful, and as some wise man once said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

I'm not religious, but it seemed an appropriate quote at the moment.

Take it easy, guys, and good luck in your seasons.

Later.

Dove

05-11-2007, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster
No worries. Sorry I missed you, Devin, thanks for stopping in, another time, man, another time.

Thanks, Budman, it was pretty insane running so many sprints. I'm glad I survived it, but I wouldn't want to try that many classes again.

Trackho, I know a couple of "CCS Tards" who might surprise you. I hope you get an opportunity to grid up against them sometime.

Holeshot, I love your avatar, man. I'm an old school comic collector from back in the day. DC wasn't really my thing, I was a Marvel guy, but I alway dug Cap, and I've never seen that image. Sweet, very nice.

420, I appreciate your objective opinions, thanks for shedding some light on a few items in here.

To all, I hope you can get out of those articles what I tried to put in them, and try not to be too judgemental. The bad stuff makes for better copy than the uneventful, and as some wise man once said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

I'm not religious, but it seemed an appropriate quote at the moment.

Take it easy, guys, and good luck in your seasons.

Later.

:applause

I applaud your maturity sir - refreshing around here.

Racer_Boy

05-11-2007, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Holeshot
Actually Devin, most AFM club members have a need to put safety first. Don't mind the fact that the AFM airfence will be used for the AMA event.
I hear that alot. It's kind of like questioning someone's patriotisim or using the "don't you care about the kids?" defense. Just another form of feeling superior. Of course every racing org has saftey as their priority but I guess the AFM are just saftey warriors! Where would all the other orgs be if they didn't have the AFM's lead to follow?

lokisdog

05-11-2007, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Racer_Boy
I hear that alot. It's kind of like questioning someone's patriotisim or using the "don't you care about the kids?" defense. Just another form of feeling superior. Of course every racing org has saftey as their priority but I guess the AFM are just saftey warriors! Where would all the other orgs be if they didn't have the AFM's lead to follow?

Not sure if you ever raced with another org, I did do a year with CCS when I first started, maybe the West Coast region was different than back East, but I can tell you with 100% certainty the tech was not nearly as tough as AFM's, and may other aspects like how they gridded, etc were in my opionon less safety oriented than AFM.

AFM may not be the safest club, but I think we do a pretty good job of at least trying to be.

And yes, AFM was far superior to the CCS I saw and experienced. I don't know if we're superior or inferior to anyone else, but that one I know for sure.

joe

05-11-2007, 06:59 PM

We're the AFM, if you don't like us you suck. Duh.

afm199

05-11-2007, 08:02 PM

I'm an AFM racer
no backmark pacer
bad to the bone
on my cellphone.

I get props from the fans
for my 14th place
don't need no tech man
to check my plastic case

I race on weekends
if I got the bucks
and I'll stuff your ass
wit my BARF muck

All my friends tell me
I'm a BAMF
though my girlie sez
I'm a sissy butt and suck.

Chorus:

I'm and AFM racer
get outa my way
I may be slow and old
but I still love to play

Racer_Boy

05-11-2007, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by lokisdog
Not sure if you ever raced with another org, I did do a year with CCS when I first started, maybe the West Coast region was different than back East, but I can tell you with 100% certainty the tech was not nearly as tough as AFM's, and may other aspects like how they gridded, etc were in my opionon less safety oriented than AFM.

AFM may not be the safest club, but I think we do a pretty good job of at least trying to be.

And yes, AFM was far superior to the CCS I saw and experienced. I don't know if we're superior or inferior to anyone else, but that one I know for sure.
Thanks, I'm glad I didn't have to prove my own point, I knew "the Club" wouldn't fail me.

joe

05-11-2007, 10:38 PM

Devin, have you ever raced with any other clubs?

lokisdog

05-11-2007, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by joe
Devin, have you ever raced with any other clubs?

Don't bother with him anymore Joe, he's hardly even raced with us, at least according to the results. One Clubman HW at BW in March 2006, never been on the racetrack since it seems. Still trying to break out of Clubman it looks like (gotta do better than those 2:13's at BW on a liter bike I think Devin) but not trying very hard. He's a Novice Clubman rider who hasn't seem to have actually been on track with us.

Not a very strong position to argue racer safety from Devin, go pop your cherry first then maybe you'll have an opinion based on experience. Maybe your belief that we are all trying to feel superior is actually a reflection of your own inferiority complex, projected onto us?

Holeshot

05-11-2007, 11:41 PM

Marshall, you're a standup guy man! It's good to see that attitude BTW. I've got some excellent cap stuff...it's just shame they had to kill him off. Now if only you had some of the early Cherry Poptart issues!

Jay and Devin, I'm unclear as to how you're reading "the AFM is the safest club" into my retort that we racers in the AFM feel a bigger need to be safe, rather than be "superior". in fact, i think most the guys i hang out with are quite accepting of other clubs and racers....and many have a storied history with all kinds of clubs. so, please, don't interject some thoughts that just aren't there.

Devin, I believe you're reading my translation from a different manual than it came from....how did you get from my statement to your conclusion is beyond me. Do you think I'm stoked on a club that can't get it's rulebook tightened up? Your conclusion that AFM'ers are arrogant as their primary characteristic I disagree with. I feel the members desire for safety is the one predominant voice I always have the hear about.

Edit:...and hey Marshall, my appologies for calling you a fuckstain...that worked when you weren't a forum member and now, it's a violation of the TOS. Wonder how this one works! Anyway, RRW just became dynamic for me! Sorry on the call man...

TWF

05-12-2007, 01:21 AM

Marshall,
what you doing on first wednesday next month?we got little meeting here....
trackho,next time you see professional race take look how many bikes have calipers wired.or even better what is wired on those bikes :)

Sklossmonster

05-12-2007, 11:10 AM

No worries, Holeshot, more and more I'm starting to see how my articles can be taken the wrong way. Bummer. I kind of wish I would've spent more time talking aobut the good stuff, but it just doesn't make for the same "lessons" material, not to mention interesting reading.

Unfortunately, I don't have any of the Cherry Poptart issues, all old school superhero shit. I'm sure it's worth something to someone, but I'd never part with any of it. Even though DC wasn't really my thing, I still have Superman #21 with the blockjawed hero getting struck by lightning on the cover, with the caption, "It tickles." Classic.

Anyway, glad to meet a few more racers on the West coast. Hope to see some of you on the track sometime, once I climb back out of the financial ruin I've created :-)

Have a good one,

Marshall

Holeshot

05-12-2007, 12:25 PM

Will do Marshall...how about a sum up first year do's and don't for Ulridh? THAT would tie it all together oh so neatly!

one day, when i quit this infernal waste of money known as racing, i'm gonna buy a few of the $3K Captain America comics! Or steal your Supe's #21! Cool shit right there!

budman

05-12-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by afm199
I'm an AFM racer
no backmark pacer
bad to the bone
on my cellphone.

I get props from the fans
for my 14th place
don't need no tech man
to check my plastic case

I race on weekends
if I got the bucks
and I'll stuff your ass
wit my BARF muck

All my friends tell me
I'm a BAMF
though my girlie sez
I'm a sissy butt and suck.

Chorus:

I'm and AFM racer
get outa my way
I may be slow and old
but I still love to play

Should pass this onto the band Twofingers

Would make for some fun at the next :barf party..:laughing :thumbup

:smoking

Racer_Boy

05-12-2007, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by joe
Devin, have you ever raced with any other clubs?
CCS & WERA, GLRRA

Racer_Boy

05-12-2007, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by lokisdog
Don't bother with him anymore Joe, he's hardly even raced with us, at least according to the results. One Clubman HW at BW in March 2006, never been on the racetrack since it seems. Still trying to break out of Clubman it looks like (gotta do better than those 2:13's at BW on a liter bike I think Devin) but not trying very hard. He's a Novice Clubman rider who hasn't seem to have actually been on track with us.

Not a very strong position to argue racer safety from Devin, go pop your cherry first then maybe you'll have an opinion based on experience. Maybe your belief that we are all trying to feel superior is actually a reflection of your own inferiority complex, projected onto us?
Typical. Don't listen to the message, attack the messenger. Some day feel free to ask me why I've only done one race weekend with you guys, but ask me in person at a k@tt or at the races, I'd be happy to discuss this in person rather than online.

Holeshot

05-12-2007, 10:21 PM

What exactly is the message Devin? Yes, there's AFM'ers that think their club is the best. Is there something wrong with their thinking or should they be faulted for this?

Why have you only done one race weekend with the AFM? Others experiences are good to hear.

joe

05-13-2007, 03:12 AM

Devin, are you the big dude who used to come into Scuderia every once in a while and talk about riding out in Arizona and crashing big a few times? Not a slam, just trying to put a face to an online name.

Originally posted by Racer_Boy
Typical. Don't listen to the message, attack the messenger. Some day feel free to ask me why I've only done one race weekend with you guys, but ask me in person at a k@tt or at the races, I'd be happy to discuss this in person rather than online.

MotoLiam

05-13-2007, 04:07 AM

Hey all,

Marshall, good job getting up here on Barf and letting us know a little more about everything. I haven't caught any of the RRW's, but from reading everyone's posts, I can gather a little bit, and maybe one day I'll be able to read the articles you've put together. I think a re-cap article based on what you've learned and reflected upon now that you're sitting out a year is a great idea, especially because you'll be able to analyze how much you really want to get back into racing with all your experience behind you.

Just to chime in and defuse the increasing level of club bashing around here: I've seen a few paddocks so far, and really, the level of professionalism and care put into each bike goes well beyond what a simple tech inspection can ever hope to catch. I don't care what series you race, what kind of bike you race, ultimately it's your responsibility to prepare and maintain your machine, not only for your own sake, but for the riders around you who are trusting you (in some cases) with their lives so that you don't t-bone them in a chicane. I'm seen fairly amateurish mistakes in WSBK, GP's (particularly 125/250), and in US racing, and the bottom line is that while organizations are all different, and their styles are all different, the level of commitment by the teams/riders is what counts. I honestly have almost no experience with the AFM, but I'm friends with a large number of AFM'ers and I can say that they take their racing very seriously, maybe almost too much, haha. I like that they get defensive, I like that they care so much, because it indicates to me that they mean business.

To sum, I know what rules are, how they can be applied, and what it takes to go racing. Over-extending yourself is never a good idea, particularly if you're going to be racing a motorcycle, and proper planning goes a long way towards having a successful weekend. I can now get a bead on what a person is going to be like just by looking at their bike, or even talking to them, because their focus and attention to detail have become quite obvious to me. There are hacks everywhere, in every series, and the more examples that go public can only serve to give notice to everyone else that "Yes, you can improve your game." Keep racing everyone.

BTW, I used to race xr50's. At a go-kart track in Fremont on Thursday nights. Yeah buddy, I know what I'm talking about, bwahahahaha.

Racer_Boy

05-13-2007, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by joe
Devin, are you the big dude who used to come into Scuderia every once in a while and talk about riding out in Arizona and crashing big a few times? Not a slam, just trying to put a face to an online name.
Yes

lokisdog

05-13-2007, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Racer_Boy
Typical. Don't listen to the message, attack the messenger. Some day feel free to ask me why I've only done one race weekend with you guys, but ask me in person at a k@tt or at the races, I'd be happy to discuss this in person rather than online.

Actually I'm not attacking you, just discounting your opinions due to what I believe is lack of experience.

I'd like Berto's question answered, also this one. You seem to have issues with AFM, but make an effort for everyone to think you race with us, you put your number in your sig and in your avatar you have listed the two classes I assume you hope to race one day.

You must admit there are incongruities here, it does make you look more like a poser than the real deal.

But maybe I'm missing something...

Racer_Boy

05-13-2007, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by lokisdog
Actually I'm not attacking you, just discounting your opinions due to what I believe is lack of experience.

I'd like Berto's question answered, also this one. You seem to have issues with AFM, but make an effort for everyone to think you race with us, you put your number in your sig and in your avatar you have listed the two classes I assume you hope to race one day.

You must admit there are incongruities here, it does make you look more like a poser than the real deal.

But maybe I'm missing something...
Your entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that you are missing something, the point. PM Berto, perhaps he'll forward you the pm I sent him answering his questions. I choose to do it privately rather than have a big thread-jacking discussion. As I said before, I'd be happy to answer any question you have in person sometime.

420

05-14-2007, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Racer_Boy
CCS & WERA, GLRRA

Sweet ... another ex-GLRRA racer... Eric ran an interesting show. Good times!!!!

Zerox

05-14-2007, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Racer_Boy
My opinion is that you are missing something, the point.

If you're crashing big in Arizona multiple times, and busting out 2:13s at Buttonwillow on a literbike, the point is....obviously, you are in no position to be casting stones at any racing org.

Racer_Boy

05-14-2007, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by afm956
If you're crashing big in Arizona multiple times, and busting out 2:13s at Buttonwillow on a literbike, the point is....obviously, you are in no position to be casting stones at any racing org.
Whatever dude

BohnJerntsen

05-14-2007, 11:36 AM

Devin-

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I just find it odd that you bashed the AFM (and its members) in public, but say you don't want to explain how you took your position in public. :confused

If you start making claims and accusations out in the public, you should prepare to finish it that way. Please PM me with what you have sent to Berto...I'd like to know since you won't share publicly.

John

Racer_Boy

05-14-2007, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by BohnJerntsen
Devin-

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I just find it odd that you bashed the AFM (and its members) in public, but say you don't want to explain how you took your position in public. :confused

If you start making claims and accusations out in the public, you should prepare to finish it that way. Please PM me with what you have sent to Berto...I'd like to know since you won't share publicly.

John
I didn't bash the AFM in public, I made one comment to the OP of this thread and the AFM'ers jumped into action. I'd be happy to send you the PM that I sent Berto, you've got mail.

BohnJerntsen

05-14-2007, 12:06 PM

Maybe bash was too strong of language, sorry. However, I stand behind finishing what you started in public. I await your PM.

John

Holeshot

05-14-2007, 01:06 PM

Devin, thread jacking happens all the time..don't worry about that being an issue. I'd post up here what you sent me. It's in interesting perspective that some may glean something from. There are more than a few AFM'ers that feel as you do. Some are in it for fun, others for glory. The two camps often are at odds.

afmotorsports

05-14-2007, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Racer_Boy
Don't get to bent about all the crap you have/will get from these AFM guys, the club in general has a pretty strong need to feel superior.

I would argue "bashing" is the correct term... especially from a newb who hasn't even met the majority of AFM racers but is ready to draw conclusions right away and insult the racers in the AFM. :hand I don't even care to hear the "reasons" from somebody that thinks he's got us all figured out and thinks he even has a clue about the "club in general". If you have a problem with a specific individual then be a man about it, don't go flinging mud at the entire membership in public, m'kay?

And kudos to Marshall for stepping up and taking ownership of mistakes he made. I would have to say that most racers don't start out making quite as many, but fortunately most of them learn pretty quick and don't repeat them. One of the reasons we offer the AFM mentor program is to hopefully help new racers avoid some of the mistakes we all made when we started out.

btw, about the Honda that spilled synthetic oil at the last race... it was purchased 2-3 weeks prior from an AFM veteran, so let's not be too quick to blame new racers for everything that happens on the track.

Zerox

05-14-2007, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Racer_Boy
Whatever dude

The ol' bash and run, eh? Very productive, adds good value to any debate. :hand

Trackho

05-14-2007, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster

Trackho, I know a couple of "CCS Tards" who might surprise you. I hope you get an opportunity to grid up against them sometime.

I look forward to it BUT, I doubt that I would be very impressed--I grid up in FP and OSB with the likes of Dave Stanton, Ken Hill, Jeff Tigert, Corey Sarros and James Randolph---so some CCS-tard ainst gonna give me the "willies"---funny as I had/took this opportunity my novice year as well.--And ALL thru this didnt have 1% of the mistakes/drama that you put yourself/fellow racers thru.

FFI--Bobby Fong won the "Top Novice" championship my novice year (05)--the 600 AFM championships in 06--he now races AMA for Saftey first.

Jeff Tigert, Ken Hill and Chris Siglin all got the chance to dice with Bobby in the AFM at the FRONT of the expert grid in Bobby's first(and second) year, sometimes they won, sometimes Bobby won. ---so Bobby racing against and beating some of the top 600 AFMers and regular AMAers in his NOVICE year is about as impressed as I need to be right now.

Fast Turtle

05-14-2007, 03:58 PM

And the beat goes on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Theres just no beating BARF for pure entertainment value with the opportunity to learn something on occasion along the way:teeth

Corey11c

05-14-2007, 04:29 PM

This is better than watching "The Young and the Restless":applause :applause :applause

scalvert

05-14-2007, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by afmotorsports
:hand I don't even care to hear the "reasons" from somebody that thinks he's got us all figured out and thinks he even has a clue about the "club in general".

Can't argue with your attitude really, but I am curious. Berto thought the man's opinions were interesting so I might too.

Also, :thumbup to Marshall for coming around here. You've got a lot to learn (so do most of us) but I've gotta respect you for coming around and hearing what people have to say.

Corey11c

05-14-2007, 04:31 PM

:laughing :laughing

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/201/453/3144885-0000004976_20060919232439.jpg

ThinkFast

05-14-2007, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Trackho

Does CCS NOT require Saftey wire on Caliper bolts(thats plain old scary)????I dont see how this is possible if saftey wire is required--it certainly is for us.

No, they don't. But, as my friend Ed Key once said, "a properly torqued bolt will not come loose." He never safety wired his nuts, either (sounds painful...). They also allow propylene glycol coolant (oooohhhh). :nerd

"Gee, aren't I a giant dumbass?" is not really a good premise for an article, especially one that is aimed at newbie/wouldbe racers, imho. For all the oversights Skloss did, there are plenty more left uncommitted that someone reading this will be sure to fill in. To the detriment of us all.

The biggest bonehead move I did, fwiw, was during my first year as an expert, after running 80+ races with CCS and WERA in the midwest as an amateur. I did a tire change, and forgot to pump my front brakes.

So at 2nd call, I went to line up for the warm up lap, and went rolling through everyone else at about 2 mph, eventually bumping one guy over, and falling over with him. :applause

Ah, ya - ok, der.

Sklossmonster

05-15-2007, 12:52 PM

Gee, Jeff, I didn't know you took the same opportunity I did in your "novice year" So you did 93 races in one season, huh? And you didn't even have 1% of the mistakes I did? Wow, you are good. Fortunately for you any mistakes you made in your rookie season weren't broadcast on a national level for every armchair quarterback to criticize, but since you made less than 1% of the mistakes I made I guess it wouldn't really matter.

Too bad we can't go back and do a lap by lap, race by race, session by session comparison of your first 1000 race laps and see just who had more mistakes. I think you might be surprised at just how few I really made, and how many you may be conveniently forgetting from your own rookie years.

And by the way, it seems last weekend at Blackhawk (out here where no one's fast enough to give you the "willies") a few Midwest CCS/AMA regulars by the names of Jason Farrell, Brian Hall, and some new CCS "Tard" you may have heard of ... Bobby Fong, were all running right around the lap record. Too bad some of the other AMA licensed CCS Midwest regulars like Dan Ortega and Andy Feuerstahler weren't on hand to join in the fun. Oh well, at least their absence helped my buddy Yuri stand on the podium with Bobby in his first ever "expert" race.

Without being anymore of a dick about it than you've already been, my point is that every well-developed region with a large racing organization has its fair share of "fast" racers, as I'm sure AFM holds its own, as does CCS, WERA, and others.

So do me a favor and don't tell me who is and isn't worth "breaking a fingernail over" until you've raced against them.

Dove

05-15-2007, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster
Gee, Jeff, I didn't know you took the same opportunity I did in your "novice year" So you did 93 races in one season, huh? And you didn't even have 1% of the mistakes I did? Wow, you are good. Fortunately for you any mistakes you made in your rookie season weren't broadcast on a national level for every armchair quarterback to criticize, but since you made less than 1% of the mistakes I made I guess it wouldn't really matter.

Too bad we can't go back and do a lap by lap, race by race, session by session comparison of your first 1000 race laps and see just who had more mistakes. I think you might be surprised at just how few I really made, and how many you may be conveniently forgetting from your own rookie years.

And by the way, it seems last weekend at Blackhawk (out here where no one's fast enough to give you the "willies") a few Midwest CCS/AMA regulars by the names of Jason Farrell, Brian Hall, and some new CCS "Tard" you may have heard of ... Bobby Fong, were all running right around the lap record. Too bad some of the other AMA licensed CCS Midwest regulars like Dan Ortega and Andy Feuerstahler weren't on hand to join in the fun. Oh well, at least their absence helped my buddy Yuri stand on the podium with Bobby in his first ever "expert" race.

Without being anymore of a dick about it than you've already been, my point is that every well-developed region with a large racing organization has its fair share of "fast" racers, as I'm sure AFM holds its own, as does CCS, WERA, and others.

So do me a favor and don't tell me who is and isn't worth "breaking a fingernail over" until you've raced against them.

Bobby put on the quite the show, eh? :applause

Sklossmonster

05-15-2007, 01:01 PM

Dude,

He was flying out there, but he wasn't alone ... http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=29014

Holeshot

05-15-2007, 01:11 PM

Marshall, I agree. I can't say one region has quicker or better guys than the next. In fact, it's not really our guys that get me nervous at the AMA races...

I remember my novice year first big crash, bought steve Rapp's old Corona bike and ran it to 7th in our 600 SB race for 3 laps before putting it on the ground in the entrance to the carousel at Sears (running some incredibly stupid line...never having checked sag or any of the settings for that matter) and destroying the thing. God I was clueless...

420

05-15-2007, 01:15 PM

Hear Hear Marshall. Every area has its fast people. Back in the Day, GLRRA was one of the fastest group of foolios in the country bar the AMA. And thats pure Midwest. AFM has its fair share of fast blokes and the competition is gruelling because there are so many peeps on the grid. Funny that more and better finishing AMA and World GP folks have come out of a relatively unknown small organization called the USGPRU than AFM or CCS or WERA recently. Course most of them didn't fit in the age requirements of their respective regions.
Also, the rank of Novice vs Expert is noticable different, mainly because many other orgs duplicate classes between the 2, whereas most West coast orgs have single day race formats. Though AFM is stretching its wings a bit with its Clubman class on Sat.
I will say that the AFM folk tend to take their racing a little more seriously than most other regions I've raced in, whether this is good or bad....
THough I bet the tire suppliers like the CCS rounds better, what were you going through 4 sets a weekend??

Sklossmonster

05-15-2007, 01:29 PM

Holeshot, I'm with you, man. Each region seems to have its fair share of fast guys, and they all talk about how hairball some of those AMA races can be. Kind of ironic.

420, yeah man, it seems like the biggest difference between the caliber of riders in each region is the number of them at a given event, and the coverage they do or don't get outside their region. And I wish CCS was more serious about the safety and competition. Sounds like AFM has an excellent tech system, and the mentoring thing somebody mentioned is a great idea. CCS is a little loose in the saddle for me, but it's really all we've got in the Midwest. And as for the tires, holy crap! I started the season on pump gas, a largely stock bike, and one set of tires per weekend. By the time it was all said and done I was trying to match Curt tire for tire in ten races a weekend, and gallon of U4 for gallon of U4 ... which is why I wasn't racing at Blackhawk last weekend, and I suspect there's an unmarked Citibank van hiding around the corner from my house.

Racer_Boy

05-15-2007, 01:31 PM

Brian Hall began his racing career as CCS SW amature in 2001/2 I believe. He use to pit with me and my pitmates Matt Hartlieb & Jim Joyce. He blew the entry to the fastest corner on that track one race and re-entered the track almost t-boneing me. Let's just say the discussion in our pit after that race as a little tense! He's a good guy and he's gotten pretty fast, it's nice to have parents with deep pockets who support your racing.

420

05-15-2007, 01:45 PM

IMHO, I really liked some of the CCS stuff, but they try and pack too much into too short a period of time. Just the fact you can run 10 races a weekend is pretty insane when you think about it. The toll on mind, body and pocketbook is excessive. I usually kept myself at 4-5 races a weekend and had a good time.

dgrace

05-15-2007, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by 420
more and better finishing AMA and World GP folks have come out of a relatively unknown small organization called the USGPRU than AFM or CCS or WERA recently

I'm curious - any examples? I couldn't think of any ex-USGPRU guys off the top of my head.

Also :hail Bobby Fong - whether or not he set the track record, he got damn close on his first weekend there! Pretty awesome and I'm looking forward to watching him learn European tracks in WSS/WSBK. Here's fingers crossed.

dave

Sklossmonster

05-15-2007, 03:05 PM

I don't know much about the past, but one USGPRU rider to keep your eye on is Patrick Jacobsen. I met him at Heartland Park a few weeks ago and watched him dominate a 125cc race like you wouldn't believe.

I couldn't believe how mature and professional he was, at 13 years old!

He convinced his team to let him run the 250 race on his 125, and he put it on the box. No lie.

I'm telling you, mark my words, if that kid doesn't get killed or burned out he will definitely be somebody you set your DVR to record on Sundays.

dgrace

05-15-2007, 03:06 PM

I'd believe it - we have a 13-year old out here who does the same thing, I hear! I'm glad I don't have to race against her. ;)

dave

Corey11c

05-15-2007, 03:19 PM

Here's a few kids that came up from the USGPRU:
Cameron Beaubier - Red Bull Rookies Cup
Elena Myers - Team Green Kawasaki
Josh Herrin - Graves Yamaha
Will Gruy - AMA
Garret Carter - AMA
Josh Day - AMA
Ryan Clay - AMA

Cameron is 13 and was one of 20 kids selected from all over the world to race the Red Bull Rookies cup in Europe on "detuned" KTM Moto GP 125's. (Detuned they still make more HP than the 125's we have in the states.)
He was leading the first race of the season when he was bumped off the track by some little French punk. I've heard rumors that there are 125 GP teams already talking about hiring him.

Elena won the 125 AFM race at Buttonwillow by over 20 seconds, then finished 2nd in the 250 race on her 125. And she started from the back of the grid!!!
:applause

420

05-15-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster
I don't know much about the past, but one USGPRU rider to keep your eye on is Patrick Jacobsen. I met him at Heartland Park a few weeks ago and watched him dominate a 125cc race like you wouldn't believe.

I couldn't believe how mature and professional he was, at 13 years old!

He convinced his team to let him run the 250 race on his 125, and he put it on the box. No lie.

I'm telling you, mark my words, if that kid doesn't get killed or burned out he will definitely be somebody you set your DVR to record on Sundays.

PJ is fast!!! Him and Cam are the current cream of the US crop. Look for good things from both at the World level.

afmotorsports

05-15-2007, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Corey11c
Here's a few kids that came up from the USGPRU:
Cameron Beaubier - Red Bull Rookies Cup
Elena Myers - Team Green Kawasaki
Josh Herrin - Graves Yamaha
Will Gruy - AMA
Garret Carter - AMA
Josh Day - AMA
Ryan Clay - AMA

Baloney. They didn't "come up from USGPRU", they simply did a few races in that series as a stepping stone in their racing careers. The Stockton kart track deserves more credit than USGPRU, at least for Garrett and Elena. Sorry to piss in your cheerios, but I still have no idea what the logic is behind the USGPRU and the 2-stroke obsession. They should combine forces with AHRMA and have some sort of "vintage lovefest" because 2-strokes are dead. As soon as these kids can reach the pegs, they should be on 600s.

Before anybody gets their panties in a bunch, I raced 2-strokes for a couple of years and had a great time, but I don't care for the pompous bs I hear out of USGPRU about how they're "North America's feeder class for the GPs". :hand I still love watching the 125s and 250s race - in fact we have some great races in the AFM! - but something just irritates the hell out of me about the ridiculous, elitist bs we hear out of USGPRU: "look at us, we race REAL Grand Prix racebikes, not streetbikes or a diesels"... whatever, please tell me more about your field of outdated, decade-old 2-stroke and how they're superior to a 2007 CBR600RR.

There are plenty of great racers coming out of WERA and CCS and CMRA and many other clubs, but USGPRU is the only one that just bugs me. They just seem to try to take credit for the best 2-stroke riders that come out of the regional clubs.

Bring it on, Corey and 420, I'm in a feisty mood today! :laughing :laughing

ianG

05-15-2007, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by afmotorsports
Bring it on, Corey and 420, I'm in a feisty mood today! :laughing :laughing

Today? :p

afmotorsports

05-15-2007, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by ianG
Today? :p

You're next, grad school Sally! :laughing :laughing ;)

Trackho

05-15-2007, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster
Gee, Jeff, I didn't know you took the same opportunity I did in your "novice year" So you did 93 races in one season, huh?

Without being anymore of a dick about it than you've already been, my point is that every well-developed region with a large racing organization has its fair share of "fast" racers, as I'm sure AFM holds its own, as does CCS, WERA, and others.

So do me a favor and don't tell me who is and isn't worth "breaking a fingernail over" until you've raced against them.

Funny--I was trying to be as "nice" as I can be--but since you think I am a "dick" anyway (LIGAF)--here ya go--straight-the fuck-up:

Thanks you just made my point:

1) You race as many races as humanly possible to try (and fail) to get a novice championship--instead of trying to be the fastest in one class(600 usually works bgest for "volume of points"-which would be kind of impressive--again, for a novice)--you try to be "kind of fast" in as many classes as possible--excelling in few. But the "real test is how you race against the fast experts(ie Bobby Fong--THAT impresses people), apparently you blew your novice wad--and thats NOT gonna happen for a while.

2) You have serious problems time wise and financially wise trying to race what 3 (or 4 different bikes)--Duhhh

3) You cant afford to race in 2007 because of your disaster in 2006

4) So you put yourself thru all of this--including landing your buddy in the hospital by riding a bike you KNEW leaked fluid--ALL for a "top novice trophy" that you failed to get.

5) Then you publicize/dramatize ALL of this portraying novices look like complete irresponsible asshats

6) Then you get negative publicity here and on WERA, and wonder why you will never be an 07 expert--and get bent when novices that HAVE raced and done well with <1% of your drama point out the fact that you are WAY OFF TRACK--I bet 99% of the novices in AFM/WERA havent come even close to your level of drama

Youre right I wanna be just like you:p :p :p

I have raced for two seasons--I usually do 4 races/weekend--so that's like 15 x 4=60 over the last 2 years. Never had my calipers (or anything fall off), never leaked fluid on the track--though I did have the honor of crashing in someones leses unflagged oil with 6 other guys---so---your numbers still DONT work out well.

PS--I know Cameron pretty well as well as Garret Willis--they ARE BOTH a 100% CLASS acts--not sure I would try to compare your efforts to theirs

Sklossmonster

05-15-2007, 07:46 PM

Wow. That was you being "nice" huh? Cool, then let's go ahead and be dicks, even though we don't really know each other at all.

So here goes ...

1) I didn't race as many races as humanly possible. I started the season with one '04 750, eligible for six classes. I started all six just to see how I did in each one as the season progressed. I figured I'd narrow it down along the way to whichever classes I had a shot at a regional championship in. As it turned out, I did surprisingly well and was leading all six classes when Curt came along, running eight classes to my six.

When I crashed my back up bike, and had lost all compression in one cylinder of my "A" bike, and had a race weekend coming up, I decided to up the ante by buying two new bikes. One 750 and one 600. I could sell the two '04's and run up to eight classes on the two newer bikes.

And as far as trying to be the fastest in one class goes, I led EVERY SINGLE CLASS I STARTED THE SEASON WITH ALL FUCKING YEAR, BITCH. Have you ever led any class during a season? Much less all season long? Ever? In your whole fucking life? No, I didn't think so.

2) Yeah, I had serious problems trying to trackify two new bikes and go race the now eight classes I needed to contest for the "overall" while still defending the six classes I started the year with, all the while being a one man band seven days a week. Maybe I would've had more time if I had a wife like some guys do taking care of half the shit that has to get done every day, but instead I did more than you ever will, and I did it all basically on my own (not to discount the help I had from my friends, but I live alone and did 90% of everything myself)

3) Hey, you're right about something ... I can't afford to race in 2007. Why because I swept the entire fucking Midwest season on my own. 7 Regional Championships (the kind you have to be faster than everybody else in) 2 Track Championships, and yes, 2 National Championships which I won at Daytona, at a track I'd never seen, against teenage phenoms like lap record breaking Robert Wilkey. And you call that a "disaster" Another great call you your part.

4) I put myself through all of this, and even though there is a disturbingly good chance Nate did crash in water from my bike, let me say this one more time so even someone like you can understand it NO ONE KNEW THERE WAS WATER IN MY BELLYPAN UNTIL AFTER NATE CRASHED, INCLUDING ME. I'd tell you to go back and reread the article so you can see for yourself, but since you obviously only see what you want it wouldn't do much good, now would it?

5) Well, actually Roadracing World publicized it, but whatever. The truth is, more than a few novice roadracers are asshats, and it was my sincere hope that my experiences might help reduce that number. Of course, since you're an "expert" I'm sure it won't have any effect on you, oh wise and infallible one.

6) Yeah, I've gotten some negative publicity, why? Becasue I didn't hide my mistakes, I didn't lie about what happened. I honestly portrayed the events as they happened. And since RRW didn't feel like publishing an entire fucking novel, you got to read all the stuff that went wrong in 93 races compressed into one season. And let's see, how many insufferable errors were there in those 1000 or so laps under a green flag and dozens of practice sessions and track days? Two? Three? Way less than 1%, that's for sure.

Don't worry, Jeff, you won't ever be like me. You don't have the balls, the speed, or the guts.

NOTE: I'd like to apologize to everyone but the person this rant was directed toward. I'm not usually such a dick, but some people just bring it out in me.

Corey11c

05-15-2007, 08:23 PM

Sorry for threadjacking, just want to make a quick statement to Alex.
You have a point about Stockton. Myself, my brother Ricky, Bobby Fong, and Elena Myers all started out at Stockton back in '04. (Actually, Elena had already been there)
But please don't rip on the GPRU too hard. They're a great organization that lets young kids who are too young to race anywhere else go up against the best GP racers the US has to offer. Without the USGPRU these kids would be stuck on NSR's until they turned 16, then get thrown to the wolves in the 600 class. I think it's a great stepping stone and transition toward bigger and better things

420

05-15-2007, 08:25 PM

Sweet!!! This thread is getting awesome!!!

Alex ... got a reply for you coming up, but I gotta go play in a second.

For a quick reply about Jeff and Marshall, I gotta say Marshall is getting the best outta this gig. Jeff's not all that fast and hes banging around someone who raced more than he ever has in a single season and went pretty quick. Remember their Novice classes run all year long and get to be pretty damn competitive.

My guess is Jeff may have run maybe 1 WERA or maybe a WSMC event and that is the limit of his experience. Maybe 3-4 tracks. Yet talks down on the experience of a different org.
My 2nd guess is that Marshall has run about 5-6 tracks and though only with CCS has developed a pretty strong foundation.

My experience is that when you want to go fast and give yourself a steep learning curve mistakes WILL happen. Cut the guy some slack for trying to help the upcoming racers and learning alot in the process.

Also you better hope you never fuck up Jeff cause you've given yourself a pretty long rope to hang yourself with..... :laughing

Fast Turtle

05-15-2007, 08:25 PM

Berto, White Courtesy phone please. Can you say TOS. I think we've reached the end of productive comment here.

ZXR400SP

05-15-2007, 09:38 PM

Not a big correction but Bobby started out dirt tracking at Lodi and was a nationally ranked Jr. There's been a few other fast people to come from the Lodi Cycle Bowl, Kenny Roberts and Chris Carr are two that come to mind.

Cameron spent a fair amout of time in Stockton too.

joe

05-15-2007, 10:34 PM

We've only got one resolution to this problem: We need to run a "Race of Champions" like AFM used to WSMC, only with Skloss' club back east. We'll run 8 races total. They'll come out here for the first four, then they'll come out for the last four. Then we'll add all the points and multiply the AFM riders points by 2. From there we'll divide all other riders points by 2 and all two-stroke riders points by 4.

Then if no AFM riders is in the top 3 we'll introduce retroactive protests, with a closed door jury and no contestments.

Deal?

Holeshot

05-15-2007, 11:22 PM

If Jeff Ran a Suzuki there would be the Suzuki cup finals.

I actually like Marshall...he's pretty cool actually.

Hey Marshall, watch the insults. We have to keep things somewhat civil here, so if you could, maybe clean it up a tad?

What're you plans for the future?

dgrace

05-15-2007, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Holeshot
What a total fuckstain!
Originally posted by Holeshot
Hey Marshall, watch the insults.

Yeah - we don't stand for that kind of language around here! :laughing

dave

afmotorsports

05-16-2007, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by Corey11c
Sorry for threadjacking, just want to make a quick statement to Alex.
You have a point about Stockton. Myself, my brother Ricky, Bobby Fong, and Elena Myers all started out at Stockton back in '04. (Actually, Elena had already been there)
But please don't rip on the GPRU too hard. They're a great organization that lets young kids who are too young to race anywhere else go up against the best GP racers the US has to offer. Without the USGPRU these kids would be stuck on NSR's until they turned 16, then get thrown to the wolves in the 600 class. I think it's a great stepping stone and transition toward bigger and better things

Mostly I was just poking fun at you die-hard two-smokers, but I still don't get the GPRU thing. It's like this self-anointed "GP feeder" organization that takes itself a little too seriously. And what's with this "GP racers" classification? They just happen to be roadracers who ride 2-strokes and hell no, they're not the best the US has to offer. Just like in the AMA, there are a few factory riders, a few real fast guys, and then a bunch of mostly rich older guys who can afford to go race the series. Except in GPRU the rich guys drag their little brats out to the "nationals". :laughing

Elena can race with the AFM right now, she doesn't need GPRU. So could any young talented kid. WSMC, WERA and other organizations would also allow them in. Infineon Raceway may not let them ride at their facility, but that would be the case whether it was an AFM, AMA or GPRU sanctioned event. Hopper, Colin, Nicky, just about every single american MotoGP rider came out of AMA Pro, but now we're creating this pipe dream that if you can ride a 2-stroke fast, maybe you get a ride on a 125, then a 250 and then a MotoGP bike... Fat chance! :hand You'd better be from Spain or at least Italy, it's been a very long time since any american came to the premier class from the support classes. There are exponentially more rides in AMA Pro or even WSBK and those dudes ride 600s and 1,000s. Plenty of those pro riders have made good careers for themselves, made a decent living and had a great time in those series. To tell a young kid to skip the AMA series and focus on nearly extinct 2-strokes as a way to reach the top is almost irresponsible in my opinion. The only real "feeder classes" to the GPs are in the AMA! And just in case they're not quite good enough for the GPs, the AMA can be a pretty nice place to "fall back" on...

Man-o-man, I can't wait for Jay's reply! :laughing :laughing (hurry up, I'm leaving in the morning for the AMA races and probably won't see Barf again until Tuesday when I get back) :teeth

And a quick note regarding Marshall: I'm starting to like the little fuckstain myself, there's something about a hothead letting off steam and coming out with guns blazing that just makes me giggle my ass off! He may have been a complete $hithead for some of the stupid things he did in his rookie season, but at least you can't call him a pu$$y! :applause Since you're not racing this season, save your pennies and come out to the Laguna MotoGP races - I'll buy you a beer and you can hang out in the Michelin hospitality tent! :teeth

weak_link

05-16-2007, 08:26 AM

subscribed.

ps// You are all off base...everyone knows all the fast guys are down with WSMC! :twofinger jk boys

Racer_Boy

05-16-2007, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by joe
We've only got one resolution to this problem: We need to run a "Race of Champions" like AFM used to WSMC, only with Skloss' club back east. We'll run 8 races total. They'll come out here for the first four, then they'll come out for the last four. Then we'll add all the points and multiply the AFM riders points by 2. From there we'll divide all other riders points by 2 and all two-stroke riders points by 4.

Then if no AFM riders is in the top 3 we'll introduce retroactive protests, with a closed door jury and no contestments.

Deal?
:laughing :laughing :laughing

jrace

05-16-2007, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by afmotorsports
Hopper, Colin, Nicky, just about every single american MotoGP rider came out of AMA Pro...

...after starting out their roadracing careers on?

125cc two-strokes. Hello?

-jim

afmotorsports

05-16-2007, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by jrace
...after starting out their roadracing careers on?

125cc two-strokes. Hello?

Ehhh... yeah... like at least TEN FRIGGIN YEARS AGO!! :laughing Remember, as in the times that AMA still had a 250GP and even a 125GP class??

And again, nobody "started" anything on a 125, most of them came from flattrack or maybe mx racing. 125s were just a stepping stone when those classes used to be ultra competitive and have huge grids, but now 600s are the "stepping stone" of choice whether you and I like it or not. :p Nobody is waving AMA contracts to AFM F3 riders, but the kids that haul the mail on 600s get noticed! I'm not saying that's good or bad, it's just reality.

420

05-16-2007, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by afmotorsports
Baloney. They didn't "come up from USGPRU", they simply did a few races in that series as a stepping stone in their racing careers. The Stockton kart track deserves more credit than USGPRU, at least for Garrett and Elena. Sorry to piss in your cheerios, but I still have no idea what the logic is behind the USGPRU and the 2-stroke obsession. They should combine forces with AHRMA and have some sort of "vintage lovefest" because 2-strokes are dead. As soon as these kids can reach the pegs, they should be on 600s.

Before anybody gets their panties in a bunch, I raced 2-strokes for a couple of years and had a great time, but I don't care for the pompous bs I hear out of USGPRU about how they're "North America's feeder class for the GPs". :hand I still love watching the 125s and 250s race - in fact we have some great races in the AFM! - but something just irritates the hell out of me about the ridiculous, elitist bs we hear out of USGPRU: "look at us, we race REAL Grand Prix racebikes, not streetbikes or a diesels"... whatever, please tell me more about your field of outdated, decade-old 2-stroke and how they're superior to a 2007 CBR600RR.

There are plenty of great racers coming out of WERA and CCS and CMRA and many other clubs, but USGPRU is the only one that just bugs me. They just seem to try to take credit for the best 2-stroke riders that come out of the regional clubs.

Bring it on, Corey and 420, I'm in a feisty mood today! :laughing :laughing

OK ... party time!! Sorry about the delay, folks.....

You make no sense son!! Of course they use it as a stepping stone, what do you think Fong, Tigert and many others are doing with the AFM???
The USGPRU is designed specifically to get kids racing, yes, "real" race bikes with the goal of getting the best of the best onto the World scene and onto a MotoGP championship.

So we got, what, 6 riders in World level racing, Bosney, Hayden, Moore, Beaubier, Edwards and Hopkins??? 2 of 'em are racing 2-Strokes and one of 'em has always ridden his MotoGP bike like a 2-stroke.

If you think Elena or Cam or any of them are racing USGPRU for practice to get on a 600 you are sadly mistaken. Most of these kids now want to get to the World level, but will SETTLE for AMA if they can't make it or afford it.

As for the rest of us, racing a 2-stroke is more fun, less expensive and if you ride one good even a decade old 125 will beat most riders on a 2007 600rr. My fastest at BW would be mid pack in 600 superbike and I'm a slow, tall guy completely unfit for a 125 in terms of weight and size. A decade old 250 would be top 5 or higher at Infineon in 600 superbike. And this is just club level bikes.

I gots more ohhh great feisty one ... just got to do a little work now...

Corey11c

05-16-2007, 10:44 AM

Go get 'em Jay. Tear 'em a new one!!!

I'll see you at AMA, Alex. Ricky will be doing his first AMA in the FX class. You gonna be doing Margeuritas again?

And it's too bad that AMA got rid of 250GP, then I could race my "real" race bike in an AMA race.:p

420

05-16-2007, 10:47 AM

Dude, hope Ricky does well, he kinda rides like Hopkins.... more 2-Strokish.... :D

Corey11c

05-16-2007, 10:50 AM

Ricky started on a 2 stroke:wow go figure

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/201/453/3148312-untitled.jpg

Trackho

05-16-2007, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by afmotorsports

Elena can race with the AFM right now, she doesn't need GPRU. So could any young talented kid. WSMC, WERA and other organizations would also allow them in. Infineon Raceway may not let them ride at their facility, but that would be the case whether it was an AFM, AMA or GPRU sanctioned event.

Hey Alex, since you are so full of piss and vinegar--ask John Ulrich why hes pissed;) ;)

Hint: One of his "own" got owned at T-Hill by a couple of up and comers--one on a 125 one on a 600--both young males--you do the math;) ;) ;)

afmotorsports

05-16-2007, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Corey11c
And it's too bad that AMA got rid of 250GP, then I could race my "real" race bike in an AMA race.:p

Originally posted by 420
The USGPRU is designed specifically to get kids racing, yes, "real" race bikes with the goal of getting the best of the best onto the World scene and onto a MotoGP championship.

You two are such 2-stroke SNOBS with your "real" race bike crap! :laughing :laughing 2-strokes are DEAD, get over it! :p Don't get me wrong, I love 2-strokes and I have a whole mess of them: scooters, chainsaws, hedge trimmers, even an outboard for my fishing boat! :twofinger Alright, I'll admit it, I also have a kickass KX100 supermoto that is a blast to ride... but you two goofballs are so stuck in the 80's with your 2-stroke superiority complex! :laughing I still say that TODAY a 2-stroke and the USGPRU is the wrong "stepping stone" for a young, talented kid - they are far better off jumping on 600s and making a name for themselves in club racing and AMA racing.

Corey, we'll have to keep the margaritas on the DL for the AMA races, but the following weekend will be a different story... I think Joe really bought a disco ball for our new canopy, so we'll have a good time Saturday night. :teeth

Trackho

05-16-2007, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster

Don't worry, Jeff, you won't ever be like me. You don't have the balls, the speed, or the guts.

NOTE: I'd like to apologize to everyone but the person this rant was directed toward. I'm not usually such a dick, but some people just bring it out in me.

Lets Clarify--you won a CCS/Other AMATUER TITLEs--BFD

Your "fast" in the kiddy pool in which you insist on peeing in, shitting in endlessly--congrats--Mom must be so proud

Talk about "king -of the fuck tards"

It was your choice to "publicize" your idiotic behaviour--grow the fuck up and deal with the consequences--ie 90% of novices think you are a reckless wad--just the way it is. Yes you have skills in writing--the content, over dramatization is severely lacking.

Time to put the pipe down :laughing :laughing :laughing

PS-I am 45 years old, have a 1 year old daughter, rather large mortgage, a real job--'cuse me if I dont flush it all down the toilet for an "novice title"---Must be cuz Im a pussy--that I can easily live with

Actually--I am starting to like this guy too--not too sharp, but at least he's got some juevos--he kind of reminds me of me 20 years ago whenst I smoked alot of crack--do they even have crack in Wisconsin or just meth and cheese--That should be the new Title of his Article "Meth,Cheese and Six Gixxers" :laughing :laughing

420

05-16-2007, 11:21 AM

THAT was a response??? Come on man I know you got better than that in you!!!! :)

Its funny something "dead" can still go faster than all those "live" 600s...;)

Truth be know, any smart manager or father puts there up and comer on a 2-Stroke. Very few go fast on a 600 or SBK and then go fast on a 2-Stroke without major relearning. However, nearly everyone who has gone fast on a 2-Stroke goes even faster on a 600+. Look at Hayden for an example, he is having a really tough time this season cuz the 800s are ridden like 250s not the power slide 990s which were SBKish.

Ohhh and BTW I have an R6 now I'm racing ... well not racing yet but will this weekend. Turned traitor on the 2-Strokes for a season, I'll be back soon though...:D

ThinkFast

05-16-2007, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by Trackho
Lets Clarify--you won a CCS/Other AMATUER TITLEs--BFD

What? As opposed to an AFM EXPERT title??? BFD, too, no? I mean, if you're an AMA guy, isn't that what you'd think??? Hmmm...

Originally posted by Trackho
Actually--I am starting to like this guy too--not too sharp, but at least he's got some juevos--he kind of reminds me of me 20 years ago whenst I smoked alot of crack--do they even have crack in Wisconsin or just meth and cheese--That should be the new Title of his Article "Meth,Cheese and Six Gixxers" :laughing :laughing

Hey, now, watch it there - I resemble that remark. Wisconsin has brats and beer, too, not just Meth and Cheese.

<Cough, cough> was starting to get a little smokey in here, can't hardly see the original thread for all the BLUE Freakin' smoke around here... :p

Sklossmonster

05-16-2007, 01:14 PM

Well, Jeff, rather than continue to argue with you, I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree, but I have to say for an "expert" who's 7 seconds off the pace at your home track, you've got some balls calling me out.

I'll be the first one to admit I'm not a "fast guy" because unlike you, I'm actually fast enough to know how fast those guys really are.

In fact, since Bobby Fong is your only reference we can agree on it might interest you to know that the "kiddy pool" to which you so ignorantly refer was headed last year by me and Curt. And at Blackhawk, where Fong obviously showed everyone his skills, Bobby was running mid to low :10's. Well Curt and I ran mid to low :12's, in traffic, in the same conditions. And that's without an AMA team, or an AMA bike.

And although I'm sure that fact won't impress you anymore than my meaningless championships and idiotic season, at least now you have some frame of reference for the smack you're so quick to talk.

To everyone else on this board, I appreciate your thoughts and feedback regarding my season and the articles. Thanks for having an open mind, and considering there may be more to a given story than meets the eye.

I wish you all the best of luck in your riding and your racing. Ride fast, ride smart, and ride safe.

Marshall

TWF

05-16-2007, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by 420
OK ... party time!! Sorry about the delay, folks.....

As for the rest of us, racing a 2-stroke is more fun, less expensive and if you ride one good even a decade old 125 will beat most riders on a 2007 600rr. My fastest at BW would be mid pack in 600 superbike and I'm a slow, tall guy completely unfit for a 125 in terms of weight and size. A decade old 250 would be top 5 or higher at Infineon in 600 superbike. And this is just club level bikes.

I gots more ohhh great feisty one ... just got to do a little work now...
lets party :)
if they are so great how come some fuckstain old fart on sv kicks their ass left and right :)
2 strokes are dead.anybody that rides one does it because they are underage and cant race elsewere(they should get of it and on diesel as soon as posible)or they still smoke pot.

420

05-16-2007, 01:22 PM

Damn, you beat me to it.
Jeff doesn't realize that by the end of the season the top "Novice" racers are as fast or faster than most of the "Experts". Since the Novices fight for individual class championships in CCS, the battles over the course of the year tend to make them alot faster and stronger.
IMHO, after getting out of a CCS Novice year you are much more of an Expert than getting out of Novice at AFM or WSMC (especially WSMC).

420

05-16-2007, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by TWF
lets party :)
if they are so great how come some fuckstain old fart on sv kicks their ass left and right :)
2 strokes are dead.anybody that rides one does it because they are underage and cant race elsewere(they should get of it and on diesel as soon as posible)or they still smoke pot.

Love it when Zoran gets in the mix.... more and more fun this thread has become...:D
Which "fuckstain" is that??? ;) I'll gladly go against the SVs and have. Even at a power track like Willow, I think you, I and Kurt have played there...;) If I remember we were all in the ballpark...

Seriously though the SVs are great bikes, they even teach corner speed vs point and shoot.

Though the 2-Strokes may be a dying breed, I plan on extending there death as long as possible. Cuz nothing you've said takes away from the fact that they are hella fun, less expensive, teach you how to set-up and ride a bike, and are fast.

TWF

05-16-2007, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by 420
Love it when Zoran gets in the mix.... more and more fun this thread has become...:D
Which "fuckstain" is that??? ;) I'll gladly go against the SVs and have. Even at a power track like Willow, I think you, I and Kurt have played there...;) If I remember we were all in the ballpark...

only one playing there was me :)
check wera west resoults where all those kids you mentioned raced last year.

Trackho

05-16-2007, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Sklossmonster
Well, Jeff, rather than continue to argue with you, I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree, but I have to say for an "expert" who's 7 seconds off the pace at your home track, you've got some balls calling me out.

I'll be the first one to admit I'm not a "fast guy" because unlike you, I'm actually fast enough to know how fast those guys really are.

Marshall

Yes--I like a good internet battle when I am bored--but this is getting waaay too easy.

Funny as I didnt even start this thread, but I sure had the same thoughts Berto and MANY others had after reading the "Meth, Cheese and 8 Gixxers Papers"

Just to clarify: 7 seconds huh--your math skills suck major ass (or are you just taking "poetic fuckstain license")

And my brake calipers DID NOT FALL OFF--Nor did I piss fluid all over the track and crash out myself and my buddies--Go Figure

Here are the FP results from Inf last Month--Notice any "fast guys"??

The CORRECT difference is 4.82 seconds--which is approx 9 seconds off Matt Maladins 1.36--so you are right-- I suck, especially on a 147HP Honda at arguably the most demanding AMA/AFM track(ie not some east bum-fuck circle track)--BTW--we just started using the AMA T1 configuration THAT weekend--so not quite "the home track"--(yet)

Correct me if I am wrong, but a 1:45.877 would qualify me for AMA at Infineon??--Thanks for sharing

FORMULA PACIFIC
Pos Pts AFM # Lic Name Mk/Yr Best Lap
1 51 53 E STANTON, DAVID Y07 1:41:005
2 46 1 E RANDOLPH, JAMES S06 1:41:157
3 42 26 E EARNEST, MICHAEL S06 1:41:160
4 39 105 E CALL, CORY S07 1:41:432
5 37 56X E MONTANO, THOMAS D07 1:41:317
6 35 139 E SZWARC, MARTIN S07 1:41:501
7 33 33 E CARMAN, ANDY S06 1:42:699
8 32 69 E KING, JAMES J. S05 1:42:230
9 31 34 E KUNZELMAN, DAVID S05 1:43:848
10 30 315 E GREEN, MATTHEW S. D05 1:44:355
11 29 666 E WEISS, CHRISTOPHER S06 1:45:078
12 28 77 E THOMPSON, MIKE S06 1:44:795
13 27 28 E SCHWANBECK, SCOTT S06 1:45:626
14 26 142 E O'SULLIVAN, PETER S07 1:45:938
15 25 874 N MASTALKA, JUSTIN H05 1:46:053
16 24 704 E GRUETTER, JEFF H04 1:45:877
17 23 7 E SPENCER, KURT Y06 1:47:152
18 22 844 E KOWALESKI, DAN S05 1:47:762

And Heres Last Years when Fong was Running (April 2006--NON-AMA T1): Looks like I was just about 1 second slower than Bobby--So I will consider myself all "SHOCKED and AWED" by your bitchin cheese-eating self:green :green :green

600 SUPERBIKE
Pos Pts AFM # Lic Name Mk/Yr Best Lap
1 75 95 E HILL, KEN H06 1:41:482
2 68 440 E FONG, BOBBY ***** Y06 1:41:711
3 62 17R E WIWI, BRANT Y05 1:41:885
4 57 856 E RIGGS, GRANT S06 1:41:505
5 52 649 N BONFANTE, MARIO ***** H05 1:43:121
6 47 138 E TAZAWA, ZENZO S06 1:43:768
7 43 333 N COREY, RICK Y05 1:44:875
8 40 115 E WOOLDRIDGE, BERTO S05 1:44:658
9 37 172 E GLENN, DAVID T. S04 1:44:546
FORMULA 40
Pos Pts AFM # Lic Name Mk/Yr Best Lap
1 73 21 E REILLY, SHAWN S03 1:43:051
2 66 37 E ANDERSON, BUD H00 1:42:962
3 60 53 E TURMELL, JOHN S05 1:43:696
4 55 704 E GRUETTER, JEFF H04 1:42:814

So according to "your reasoning" - I am 1 second faster than you are to Bobby--but you have 93 races under your belt--so who SUCKS MAJOR ASS Now:wow :wow

420

05-16-2007, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by TWF
only one playing there was me :)

Doesn't count when its with yourself, Z....:laughing

Sklossmonster

05-16-2007, 02:38 PM

Trackho, credit where credit is due. I only checked your results from a couple of races and the best time I saw was here http://www.unofficial-afm.com/results/2007/round2/afm2-f2-f40.pdf
And with Stanton and co. running :41 flats, your best time of :47.7 seems to be about 7 seconds off the pace, or is that just more of my "poetic license" you seem to like so much?

But as you pointed out, evidently I was wrong, I guess that's the kind of thing that can happen when somebody takes something they don't really know the full story on, pulls it out of context, and start hurling judgements around as if they actually know a thing about you. Sound familiar, Jeff?

Anyway, good on you. An AMA qualifying pace is no joke. Again, good luck with the rest of your season.

TWF

05-16-2007, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by 420
Doesn't count when its with yourself, Z....:laughing
I was wrong,it is worst than I tought.
this kids actually can ride 600's or other diesels.there is really no need for them to pedal around track :)

Patrickmotox

05-16-2007, 10:18 PM

Alex, I think you have something there. My son is 14, raced with the Stockton group on a Derbi a couple of races, I got him a 125 for track days when he was 13. He was just to big, and the power to weight ratio had him sucking wind down the straights. This year we got him a ZX-6R, he fits it, he has enough muscle at 5'9 and 160 lbs to handle it and has never gone faster. We have been racing WERA and Masters of the Mountains at the Miller track and he is going so much faster than trying to do it on the RS125. He will pick up a couple of AFM races this year, but like you said Infineon won't let him race. Although we did do a track day with Pacific and with the AMA turn 1 he got down to the 148s, all on a bone stock 07 ZX6. Will be at Fontana in two weeks with some mods then on to the WERA National at Miller.

jrace

05-16-2007, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Patrickmotox
Alex, I think you have something there. My son is 14, raced with the Stockton group on a Derbi a couple of races, I got him a 125 for track days when he was 13. He was just to big, and the power to weight ratio had him sucking wind down the straights. This year we got him a ZX-6R, he fits it, he has enough muscle at 5'9 and 160 lbs to handle it and has never gone faster.

Actually, you hit the nail on the head there, and is precisely what Alex doesn't understand.

Which is understandable, given his height and weight. :D

Shane is still growing, correct? At 5'9" and 160 at age 14, he probably is best served by a 600. He's growing rapidly (my guess) and would continue to outgrow a GP-based bike quickly.

However, not all the up-and-comers will continue to Shanes size, and might well be suited in the "longer-short-term" to a momentum bike, rather than a pure-power point and shoot 4-stroke. The "jockeys" of roadracing tend to be the ones to win championships consistently, and it seems that trend is continuing downward. That being said, the National Championships are consistently stocked with top-notch racers that wouldn't bend onto a 125 *ever*. :)

Patrick, if you and Shane are ever down the hill Fair Oaks way, feel free to stop by. I'm always willing to talk racing, and if there is a race on TV I'll have it running.

cheers,

-jim

a13x

05-17-2007, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by afmotorsports
Elena can race with the AFM right now, she doesn't need GPRU.

No offense but National and International 'eyes' are putting more value on a GPRU Championship and attention than any regional-based organization. That's fact, not speculation.

This thread is hilarious btw :teeth

Hey CCS does have (IMO) the fastest club racer, true-privateer in the US as their number 1 rider. Jeff Wood.

Okay okay back to lurking.

oh PS: Marshall I didn't care for you in your articles, but having read your posts on WERA and here, I've changed my opinion FWIW. The articles are sort of like reality TV, the truth, but from a certain angle.

MattM

05-17-2007, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Trackho
Hey Alex, since you are so full of piss and vinegar--ask John Ulrich why hes pissed;) ;)

Hint: One of his "own" got owned at T-Hill by a couple of up and comers--one on a 125 one on a 600--both young males--you do the math;) ;) ;)

FYI Jeff, If you are referring to Elena getting "owned" than let me clarify a few things for you since you were not there on Sunday. We were there testing new machinery all day. A completly new bike that had only been ridden once. You see these little two strokes are a little more complicated than most would think. So much so that our mechanic CN has been scratching his head trying to figure it out our A-kit. I won't go into the details of the engine package itself as it would probably bore you since it's a 2 stroke. I'm not making excuses but development takes time. You should know this with all the umpteen hours of development time you have had on that 1000 right? I'm not sure where you come up with this "ask JU why he's so pissed" how would you know if he was or is I'm curious?. And yes I'll be the first to say that Cam is an exceptional rider who's really stepped up his game. I expect him to be a notch above Elena with his new found experience. Elena and Cam are great friends and talk daily. As far as the other kid Garrett..I would also expect that a 16 year old with his experience would be at least as fast on a 600 as a 13 YEAR OLD on a a little old 125. Either way, I would beg to differ my kid getting owned at a track day. It wasn't a race remember, it was a TRACK DAY!

Now tell me...What was your excuse that day?:laughing

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