moto gp suit crash review.

[bpowa]

70-80 mph on turn 7 at t hill.. rear slid caught and threw me off.

At first I thought it was a week suit but closer inspection it looks as if the chain and sprocket ripped it apart at the knee area..

there were chuncks of leather still stuck on the sprocket. I know I slid quit a bit on my side and a lot on my back. the abrasion marks does not look bad at all..

I just thought it tore a hole at the knee but closer inspection there was grease around the whole.. the padding on the knee is great btw. it has a foam then a knee pad underneeth it.

the racer gloves did what I expect it to do.. rip at the palm.. cheap stitches.. I remember when sliding in slow motion to get my hands off the ground and plant ot om my chest.

Sliding is actually fun if you dont get hurt.. we should all try it:laughing

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/209/274/3236040-cimg1246.jpg

[bpowa]

r

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/209/274/3236042-cimg1248.jpg

[bpowa]

knee

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/209/274/3236049-cimg1245.jpg

[bpowa]

gloves

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/209/274/3236051-cimg1253.jpg

[bpowa]

you think its is totaled?

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/209/274/3236053-cimg1249.jpg

[bpowa]

weeeee.. until next time boys.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/209/274/3236054-new_image.jpg

[jorbar1551]

ouch...that road rash looks harsh. get better soon

[Cheung]

Ouch, well... atleast I don't see bone... hope you heal up well.

[Meter Man]

How did you get your suit caught in the chain and sprocket?:wow

[Brown81]

Originally posted by Meter Man
How did you get your suit caught in the chain and sprocket?:wow

Yeah, good thing it was the knee and not the crotch....




Glad you are okay!:cool

[CMR415]

if you can, post more pics of the gloves. Racer gloves are starting to (or have been) develop a reputation for being not very well made. I guess they did their job, considering I didnt see you mention anything about damage to your hands...

[bpowa]

Originally posted by Cheung
Ouch, well... atleast I don't see bone... hope you heal up well.


2 weeks now and the knee looks better.. its slow healing.. I can only bend 90 degree.. cannot squat.. when I walk there is a sharp pain here.. hope it heals well soon.

My ankle actually popped out of socket and actually popped back in when in the ambulance..

I dont know how my leathers got caught in the sprocket. Lucky I tucked my penis on the right side of my knee and not the left that day.:laughing :laughing

I did hear a gut get his toe cut off by the sprocket. at t -hill. I would invest in toe guards nextime. I am guessing the rear slid to the left, knocked my foot off then threw me off to the right.. there is no damage on the left side of the bike at all.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/209/274/3236145-cimg1255.jpg

[bpowa]

Originally posted by CMR415
if you can, post more pics of the gloves. Racer gloves are starting to (or have been) develop a reputation for being not very well made. I guess they did their job, considering I didnt see you mention anything about damage to your hands...

these gloves are super comfortable. I just think the stitching sucks.. maybe not the stitchings fault.. I believe you cannot stitch koo leathers too tight.

they all explode at the botom palm..

I am a firm beliver of roos abrasian resistance, nut the stitch will come apart.. I slid less farther in my cow gear and the abraision was more but stitches were good due to the tight weave..

I guess I will not buy roo leathers anymore eventhough they are lighter weight and more comthy.

I have to thank sidi for saving my ankle though.. Bought them right before the track.. My old boots would have messed my ankle for sure.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/209/274/3236154-cimg1254.jpg

[schteve]

I am craving mango cake after I saw your pic of your knee...Heal fast so you can get your wings at the Academy..

[shaykai]

Glad to hear you are ok :) It's always interesting to see how well gear holds up in a crash :)

Ben

[Yody]

Any idea how you lost the rear tire?

[Jello_Biafra]

Hey Larry, it's Kyle. I heard about your crash from Rob, pretty nasty. Glad to hear you're relatively okay though.

Are you gonna ride another day or is that it for you?

[herrsonic]

I don't think I would buy a MotoGP suit. That doesn't look right.

Anyhow, I'm happy with my Spidi suit. It's been crash-tested already and passed with flying colors.

[Jello_Biafra]

Have you fed your Spidi through a rear sprocket when the wheelspeed is sufficient for 70-80 mph?

[shraz]

I only see that it ripped the extra layer of protection on the palm, which isn't kangoroo.

[bpowa]

Originally posted by yody
Any idea how you lost the rear tire?

I have no idea.. it was mid day warmest time of the day. I was in a full lean.. My throttle was good and steady. I was easing up the throttle out of the turn. then the rear slid. to the left, then cought then threw me off. I thought the left hit first but it never toutched. my knee got all the impact.. I dont know how my leathers got cought in the sprocket.

it was either the tire reaching its max temp after 3-4 laps, or I applied too much lean (I think).. I was getting so comfortable I glanced down and my elbow was few inches from the ground.. if I had elbow pucks it would toutched..

The tire did not look munched up like it should be on the left sliding side as oppose to the right. it looks blueish, slick. 180/120 mich. 2ct. tire gave no feedback at all of starting to loose grip. it just yanked out.. I had bridgestones with less tracktion that gives warning.


the stupid thing is I totaled my r6 the same way up 9.

I think I jinxed myself by telling myself its the last ride for a while. and hoping I dont crash.. telling my buddies that were with me. But when I got the the track I had no fear or such thought of holding back.. :(

[bpowa]

Originally posted by Jello_Biafra
Hey Larry, it's Kyle. I heard about your crash from Rob, pretty nasty. Glad to hear you're relatively okay though.

Are you gonna ride another day or is that it for you?

at first after seeing my ankle, I said no more but two weeks passed and knee not healing I miss it already.. I'll ride again some day. after my schooling, in 6 months.. I actually like riding more in jan or fed.. less traffic and no one up 9. heheh

[bpowa]

Originally posted by shraz
I only see that it ripped the extra layer of protection on the palm, which isn't kangoroo.

Like I said the roo skin is great on abraision, but stitching is bad. They can not be tightly stitched like cow. Hope that helps.

[Ratters]

But did the glove stitching break through exposing the skin, or just the layer of roo underneath?

Glad you are mostly OK, hope you can put the bike back together in not too much time. :thumbup

[Lester Green]

bpowa,
sounds like you may have already began to spin the rear tire just didn't notice it, and then when you chopped the throttle (rolled off) you high sided.
same thing has happened to me at the track. now, when that happens i just stay steady on the gas. It's a natural reaction to want to let off the gas when your rear starts to slide, just gotta fight the feeling.

[bpowa]

Originally posted by Beetlejuice
bpowa,
sounds like you may have already began to spin the rear tire just didn't notice it, and then when you chopped the throttle (rolled off) you high sided.
same thing has happened to me at the track. now, when that happens i just stay steady on the gas. It's a natural reaction to want to let off the gas when your rear starts to slide, just gotta fight the feeling.

that could be possible; but i rememmber not chopping the throttle at all.. infact i kind of gased it slightly up. same thing on the 1st session about the second lap, when my front slipped, i gassed it back up.. however I might be spinning it while holding my line = slick surface instead of gumby one. good point.

I have experienced slides before to know what to do like no throttle chop:wow

ratters i had my hand on the ground for about 2-3 seconds, then told myself to tuck my hands on my chest. if i had it longer then it would expose skin. the green stuff you see is just cloth.

but no; the roo skin did not adraide (if thats a word) through at all..

[Var]

sorry to hear about that man..that sucks.
glad you're not hurt too bad. did you go to the hospital or just suck it up?


curious though..on turn 7 at 70-80mph you should be nowhere near full lean right? did you come into the corner slow and try to give it a lot of throttle to balance out your exit speed? Or am i just too much of a newb to understand what happened? if so forgive me i've only run t-hill once on my bike.

[swerv512]

bummer for the crash bro... makes me a lil bit um....worried for my 1st trackday @ Thill in 2weeks. i guess that's the risk we take though. the bike doesnt look too bad either- definitely a trackbike now.

[Var]

swerv - what day are you going and with which outfit?

[Jello_Biafra]

Hope to see ya back out there when you finish school Larry.

[swerv512]

yo var!
july 9th w/PTT.
coming???

[fubar929]

Originally posted by bpowa
180/120 mich. 2ct. tire gave no feedback at all of starting to loose grip. it just yanked out.. I had bridgestones with less tracktion that gives warning.

Yup. Michelin's don't slide, they highside...

[liquidONE]

Originally posted by bpowa
The tire did not look munched up like it should be on the left sliding side as oppose to the right. it looks blueish, slick. 180/120 mich. 2ct. tire gave no feedback at all of starting to loose grip. it just yanked out.. I had bridgestones with less tracktion that gives warning.

hey Larry, sorry to hear & see your damage. If it was in fact, your tire that let go, I would suggest the Pilot Race PR-series tires. I use the 2ct for street use and I just finished my 5th trackday on a set of PR2/PR5's with some good meat on them.

Good luck getting the bike back together. I'm keepin mine track-ready:cool

[Z3n]

Out of curiousity...does your bike have a chain guard on it?

Glad you're alright, and i've heard that about the 2CT's from other riders...it seems to me that as you're on the throttle and standing the bike up, you can move from the stickier traction zone to the harder one and suddenly you end up losing traction as tire traction is reduced while you're getting on the gas and still at a significant amount of lean.

Looking at the wear on my rear Corsa 3 with it's wider dual compound areas, you could see that the majority of the hard wear was occuring on the shoulder of the tire, where i was leaned over and getting on the gas, and the wear tapered off into the harder compound. On my friend's 2CT, the dual compound was so far off to the edge of the tire that he wasn't even wearing on it significantly.

As always, this is just my opinion, but it seems to match the symptoms and the results. I've never run a set of 2CT's at the track, but i was very happy with the Race H2's i ran, they were rock solid on the track. However, at the time i probably could have gotten away with pilot powers or some equivalent. I was only just told to start running Race tires or Slicks by a suspension tuner who i very much respect.

[Var]

Originally posted by swerv512
yo var!
july 9th w/PTT.
coming???

indeed i am.:teeth

[Yody]

Originally posted by bpowa
. I was easing up the throttle out of the turn. then the rear slid.

Originally posted by bpowa
that could be possible; but i rememmber not chopping the throttle at all.. infact i kind of gased it slightly up.

So did you let off the gas or not?

Take this with a grain of salt because sometimes you cannot identifiy why you crashed. Sometimes you just have to chalk it up as an accident and move on. However it sounds as if you are not sure what really happened.

Heres my unsolicited opinon; 70mph is pretty slow through turn 7, not to say you are slow but if we consider you only going 70-80 we must figure that the parameters around your crash is most likely different from someone blowing 120mph through there. You say you were close to touching your elbow and that you were at full lean. I'm confused by this because I feel I can take that turn a lot faster than what you mentioned and I never get that much lean angle in that turn to the point where I'm close to touching my elbow. I've seen much faster people go through there as well and are not carrying such lean angle. Turn 7 is almost considered a "kink" in the track.

I'm curious as to why you are carrying so much lean angle through there at that speed. I think its easier to learn to not spin up the rear tire, rather than expect it to happen and know what to do. Of course knowing what to do in that situation is golden, yet how many people know what to do and yet still use their first reaction and chop the throttle. I know I'm not perfect, I'd rather learn the correct line and throttle management to avoid loosing the rear tire.

I think figuring out what kind of line you are taking might help you avoid similar situations in the future. I know you didn't ask for any input but maybe some insight can help you avoid another incident?

I'm thinking that if you are easing up the throttle on the EXIT of the turn, something you are doing isn't working. If you take the right lines, you should be doing the exact opposite and opening the throttle out of the turn

BTW some race tires would be great, but we all know that those 2CT's are great tires as well. I don't think tires are the answer, although they might help cover up what the real problem is

[liquidONE]

^ good write up and thoughts. I agree.... bpowa, don't get offended bro :angel

[Var]

hmm.. i asked the same question on the last page. but anyways..i agree with yody also.

[Z3n]

Err, yeah, i don't know the track and i assumed that he was carrying significant corner speed through there, working on the very edge. Either way, artifically inducing lean through a poor line in a corner will still put the bike on the edge of traction, especially if someone is fighting to put down as much throttle as possible on what is considered a fast corner.

Looking at pictures of it, it looks like a corner that could be disasterously early apexed, forcing a lot of lean to compensate. It's something that i've had to constantly work on, my #1 SR that i'm fighting at the moment is "turn in early to prepare for the corner".

[Yody]

Originally posted by Var
hmm.. i asked the same question on the last page. but anyways..i agree with yody also.

Your thought made sense also. Also this could be another case to file into the 1000CC beginner trackbike files

[VTRZA]

I saw your bike at evolution,that'll buff right out :laughing

[Yody]

Originally posted by VTRider
I saw your bike at evolution,that'll buff right out :laughing

Wow, what a nice thing to say :kicknuts

[CaliGuy2004]

Dam.. Glad ur ok....

You knee reminds me of PAIN.... (ouch)

you have the same gloves i bought again. The reason is because under the carbon is more roo leather so after the stitching comes apart you got roo leather under to protect you.

Secondly, i have this thing called ZERO-FOAM or some shit like that... when i went to the doctors he gave it to me and my knee closed up in less then 24 hours. Its cool, because you never scab... It just creates skin and every time you ad a new piece you clean it and see a new layer.

If you want it you can pic it up from my house (san bruno/ssf) PM me...

-Z

[siops]

damn larry.... i think your suit mightve been too lose to get caught inthe sprocket?

[VTRZA]

Originally posted by yody
Wow, what a nice thing to say :kicknuts
if you think I was trying to be a dick,you're a dick:twofinger

[bpowa]

Originally posted by yody
So did you let off the gas or not?

Take this with a grain of salt because sometimes you cannot identifiy why you crashed. Sometimes you just have to chalk it up as an accident and move on. However it sounds as if you are not sure what really happened.

Heres my unsolicited opinon; 70mph is pretty slow through turn 7, not to say you are slow but if we consider you only going 70-80 we must figure that the parameters around your crash is most likely different from someone blowing 120mph through there. You say you were close to touching your elbow and that you were at full lean. I'm confused by this because I feel I can take that turn a lot faster than what you mentioned and I never get that much lean angle in that turn to the point where I'm close to touching my elbow. I've seen much faster people go through there as well and are not carrying such lean angle. Turn 7 is almost considered a "kink" in the track.

I'm curious as to why you are carrying so much lean angle through there at that speed. I think its easier to learn to not spin up the rear tire, rather than expect it to happen and know what to do. Of course knowing what to do in that situation is golden, yet how many people know what to do and yet still use their first reaction and chop the throttle. I know I'm not perfect, I'd rather learn the correct line and throttle management to avoid loosing the rear tire.

I think figuring out what kind of line you are taking might help you avoid similar situations in the future. I know you didn't ask for any input but maybe some insight can help you avoid another incident?

I'm thinking that if you are easing up the throttle on the EXIT of the turn, something you are doing isn't working. If you take the right lines, you should be doing the exact opposite and opening the throttle out of the turn

BTW some race tires would be great, but we all know that those 2CT's are great tires as well. I don't think tires are the answer, although they might help cover up what the real problem is

Not offended at all.. I take all thoughts, IMO makes you learn, but when I mean by "ease up" I mean throttling up.. I was informed to lean off the mike as much as possible to provide more contact patch on the tire. As for elbows almost toutching Might not be at turn 7 or every turn maybe turn 2, and 4 before the crazy 5. I was just being too confident I guess. After a few sessions I was having too much fun. As for lines I use the whole track, before entering say a left turn I go to the far right. I am no pro when it comes to riding, but I am not blaming it on the tires either. Although I feel I am holding my lines pretty well, as oppose to others in my group not utilizing the whole track. then again they didnt crash:laughing... I dould never know the real deal unless I have a vid.

As for a chain guard I do have on, but I would invest in toe guards right below the sprocket for next time.

[bpowa]

arrow 1 is where I would naturally hit the gas and arrow 2 is about where I slid maybe a bit closer. Might give a better insight.

Looking at the map I would have to adjust my line because I would be too far left not all the way left but more than where I want to be to get ready for turn 8, I try but always forget, maybe a couple more track days will fix it. Maybe you are right yody too much lean for the apex.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/209/274/3240224-thunderhill2map.jpeg

[Var]

ok..you "hit the gas"...

you're supposed to be rolling on all the way from exit of turn 6 through the apex of 7. t

[Giuseppe]

Sorry about your crash and hope you heal up well. That truly is an odd corner to go down in and oddly weird that you got tangled with the sprocket. You should not be leaning over much at all or giving any weird inputs in that section. Treat it like a straight and stay on line.

Alot of people think that because you are on a racetrack that it is going to be clean. That is not true at all. If you are off the "racing line" there is tons of shit on the track by lunch. I never walked the track on turn 7 but I would imagine a bunch of rubber all over that area from people spinning them off going into that 7-8 "straight".

[bpowa]

Originally posted by Var
ok..you "hit the gas"...

you're supposed to be rolling on all the way from exit of turn 6 through the apex of 7. t

Var I was never off the gas but comming out of turns I do give it a bit more gas than entering or on the apex. I wish a pro can go with me step by step instructions when on the track. I guess that is what race schools are for.:p

[Mount'n Goat]

Originally posted by bpowa
these gloves are super comfortable. I just think the stitching sucks.. maybe not the stitchings fault.. I believe you cannot stitch koo leathers too tight.

they all explode at the botom palm..

I am a firm beliver of roos abrasian resistance, nut the stitch will come apart.. I slid less farther in my cow gear and the abraision was more but stitches were good due to the tight weave..

I guess I will not buy roo leathers anymore eventhough they are lighter weight and more comthy.

I have to thank sidi for saving my ankle though.. Bought them right before the track.. My old boots would have messed my ankle for sure.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/209/274/3236154-cimg1254.jpg


That is nothing. My A* gloves ripped at the seam on the right hand and the palm, not even at a stitch ripped right through. I wasn't probably going more than 50 mph.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f215/TD74/Misc%20Pics/moto-07.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f215/TD74/Misc%20Pics/moto-08.jpg

Those Racer gloves did much better than my A*s

[allergic2death]

Bad line-early apex
way too much body english for T7
stay more planted on the seat to get more pressure on the rear
poor throttle control

Dude you crash a lot its time to take this more serious your life depends on it

[bpowa]

^^^ haha.. thanks for keeping track man.. trust me I am really thinking hard on this last one... Believe me man everyone has an opinion about every crash. For anyone who has not ridden with me I can ride like shit, with bad position, brake, throttle etc. I crashed my modded cars as much as I did my bikes. but when I ride the brain says to ride hard, and not think so much (which is a bad down fall).

I feel more safer from myself on the streets; but not others auto/riders. On the track I feel more scared from my lack self control.

Maybe riding is not for me.. no matter how much I love it.. (much thought).


as for the gloves, I mentioned I rapped my palms on my chest after I started sliding. I feel my back protector can take more of a beating if the leather burns through. I saw pics of your knee also, agh.. the pain man.. I can actually bend my knee a bit, but popping sound every once and a while.. got an appt. for x-ray this week.

[schteve]

Originally posted by yody

BTW some race tires would be great, but we all know that those 2CT's are great tires as well. I don't think tires are the answer, although they might help cover up what the real problem is [/B]

I agree that the 2cts are great for the track unless you are runnin less than 2:10 lap times..I have never had any issues of the tire sliding at Thill..I remember doing 100+ through thurn 7-8 gradually picking up speed before the crest of 9. No slippage at all..Did Dave Moss set up your suspension? Did ya run street or 31f 30r(recommended track) pressure? Remember your bike's initial set up ran a 190/50 rear so your 180/55 affected the bikes original geomerty..Heal up Dood, and don't let a stupid mistake discourage you from riding unless you really feel deep inside that you should not get back on two wheels..Go with your best judgement!!

[Var]

bpowa...track schools are the answer. after this trackday on the 9th which will only be my second one, I'm gonna see if I can put some money together for a trackschool.

[4tuneit1]

Originally posted by bpowa
^^^ haha.. thanks for keeping track man.. trust me I am really thinking hard on this last one... Believe me man everyone has an opinion about every crash. For anyone who has not ridden with me I can ride like shit, with bad position, brake, throttle etc. I crashed my modded cars as much as I did my bikes. but when I ride the brain says to ride hard, and not think so much (which is a bad down fall).

I feel more safer from myself on the streets; but not others auto/riders. On the track I feel more scared from my lack self control.

Maybe riding is not for me.. no matter how much I love it.. (much thought).


as for the gloves, I mentioned I rapped my palms on my chest after I started sliding. I feel my back protector can take more of a beating if the leather burns through. I saw pics of your knee also, agh.. the pain man.. I can actually bend my knee a bit, but popping sound every once and a while.. got an appt. for x-ray this week.


Self-control on a motorcycle is paramount. I don't know if its a maturity thing, but you have to approach two wheels like a trip to Everest. Respect what the bike can do and know that at any moment the fun can go really bad...really fast. Dont be a statistic. I'd say you learned the hard way, but i wouldnt say..stop racing! I'd much rather see you out there with a new respect on the track, pushing your learning curve (with no crashing), in that environment, than on the streets. You could turn this around and really become a good rider with more self-control and patience.

[bpowa]

Originally posted by schteve
I agree that the 2cts are great for the track unless you are runnin less than 2:10 lap times..I have never had any issues of the tire sliding at Thill..I remember doing 100+ through thurn 7-8 gradually picking up speed before the crest of 9. No slippage at all..Did Dave Moss set up your suspension? Did ya run street or 31f 30r(recommended track) pressure? Remember your bike's initial set up ran a 190/50 rear so your 180/55 affected the bikes original geomerty..Heal up Dood, and don't let a stupid mistake discourage you from riding unless you really feel deep inside that you should not get back on two wheels..Go with your best judgement!!

Schteve I ran 29/31 or so psi. I cant blame anything but myself for this crash. All I can say is I was having too much fun and forget self control. I am way more cautious on 84 when you guys are hauling ass. you know I will hang in the rear all the time:laughing but at the rack I can say I treated my bike as if it was a small toy.. My girl actually got a shirt after I crashed that says. "my BF drives a big wheel" and it has one of those plastic tri-cycles on it, like from the '80's with the pedals in the front.. :laughing

My suspension was done myself to the way I like it. Nothing wrong with it at all.. I dropped it off at evolution and Rob checked my tires and he said it looks good.. no cupping or feathering etc.. It took me about a month to set it correctly.

I cannot explain how I cashed besides too much lean.. I rode like that the whole day so I figured I was fine.:green

dont know If I want to get back on the bike. The wierd thing is I feel I really control myself on the streets, and cannot see myself crashing unless something like a deer jumps infront of me.. Since I know I was not going to be riding for a while; and the plan was to sell the bike, I did not have that perspective at the track. Hate myself...

[Var]

don't let it discourage u man. turn it into a track rat. hope to see u out there.

[Z3n]

Originally posted by allergic2death
Bad line-early apex

I'm going to agree with this one...

Using the whole track isn't always the best option, or the fastest way through the corner, and using the whole track, especially on a corner that's considered a "kink" is usually a bad idea. From what yody's saying, it's taken on throttle with no significant amount of lean. I'm not that familier with the track, but it seems that you were going for "max lean" in every corner as the fastest way to get around the track, and that's usually not the case in all corners.

[bpowa]

Originally posted by Z3n
I'm going to agree with this one...

Using the whole track isn't always the best option, or the fastest way through the corner, and using the whole track, especially on a corner that's considered a "kink" is usually a bad idea. From what yody's saying, it's taken on throttle with no significant amount of lean. I'm not that familier with the track, but it seems that you were going for "max lean" in every corner as the fastest way to get around the track, and that's usually not the case in all corners.

I know that is a real possibility. I was dragging at that corner not too far but should not at all. I should have studied the track more before I went. know why they offer a track map.. But hard to rememmber until you actually ride it.

Max lean is why I had to adjust myself from the far left before entering turn 8. But I had to concentrate on passing a lot people also while I was doing it.
I should have moved to b group, and actually followed better lines. C group is like the blind leading the blind. Now I get it why my buddies wanted to bumped up real bad. It is a saftey factor also.

appreciate all the critics and input. ones with thought at least.

[Z3n]

Originally posted by bpowa
I know that is a real possibility. I was dragging at that corner not too far but should not at all. I should have studied the track more before I went. know why they offer a track map.. But hard to rememmber until you actually ride it.

Max lean is why I had to adjust myself from the far left before entering turn 8. But I had to concentrate on passing a lot people also while I was doing it.
I should have moved to b group, and actually followed better lines. C group is like the blind leading the blind. Now I get it why my buddies wanted to bumped up real bad. It is a saftey factor also.

appreciate all the critics and input. ones with thought at least.

Cool, just wanted to make sure you were aware of that. I find that if you can dig up some videos of good riders riding the track in your config, it can be a really good tool for at least having a baseline on your lines. It's doubly helpful if you can have a track instructor who will narrate the way around the track...i know the reg pridmore class site has one for Streets that was immensely handy. I watched it quite a few times before i actually went out there, and it helped a lot :)

[GiorgioFurioso]

bpowa,

Take it from an experienced track-crasher...it's unlikely that you remember exactly what happened just before the crash. Unless you are running video, your memory is VERY fallible. You may well believe that you have an unbroken chain of memory going from when things were in control to when things were not, but the reality is, you don't. So trying to analyze things too carefully based on memory alone is not going to get you very far. I highly recommend running video!

Secondly, I have to second/third/whatever everyone else's comments on T7. If you exited 6 on the fast line, there's no way you are going to be leaned very much as you pass T7. Dragging knee on T7 sounds like your line was WAY off. On a much heavier and lower powered bike than yours, I go through T7 at 100+mph with no lean to speak of.

[bpowa]

man I never thought t7 is such a difficult turn..I wish I can go there and ride one more day to figure it out.. T5 was ok since people made such a big deal. What really caought me off guad was t9. the first time without an instructor was scary. I went 100 mph on the dirt all the way down, until 20 mph I knew if I went back on the pavement at that speed it would have caught back and caused a crash.. Look at the water tower and really go straight for it. hahaha..

Have to get back out there next year when things settle down.

[Var]

lean angle on turn 7 is relative to horsepower. according to an AMA rider/PTT instructor a well setup liter bike and a good rider will do around 140mph through there.

[Yody]

140 sounds kinda high for an average good rider. I wouldn't doubt an AMA guy could do it though.

Also you do get lean angle in 7 and you do drag your knee if going fast enough. Its just at a C pace that you shouldn't be doing that

Most likely like Allergic2Death said;

probably started midtrack

Early Apex

closed the radius of the turn by doing this creating a longer turn

Too much lean angle

too much throttle too quickly

R1

tire spin

chop throttle

high side

At least thats my guess. Either way the damage is done, definetly take Var's advice of doing a track school. All the guessing and wondering won't do anything unless you have someone work with you and follow you around.

[Lester Green]

really no need to use the whole track or race line running in the 2:10 range. Save the "whole track" usage when your running sub 2:00 or in a fast a group. it's unnecessary and can lead to problems by faster riders trying to dive under you on an inside turn and bad shit can happen. use a line appropriate for your speed. be predictable.

[GiorgioFurioso]

Originally posted by yody
Also you do get lean angle in 7 and you do drag your knee if going fast enough. Its just at a C pace that you shouldn't be doing that


I know there are all kinds of ways to get around a track...but even at a C pace I never came close to dragging knee at T7. And even running at what Keigwin would consider a borderline A pace, I still never got close to dragging knee at T7.

Maybe it's just my line out of T6. Setting up for maximum exit speed from T6 typically had me going pretty wide, so T7 was barely even a kink much less a turn. In fact, it was more of a shift marker than anything. That's what I remember from my fastest times, anyway.

But hey, I was only ever pushing 98hp, and running 2:14's. But I was getting so much drive through T7 that I was reducing throttle before T8 because frankly, I was fucking scared, which happens to me around 140mph. :dunno

[Yody]

Originally posted by GiorgioFurioso


But hey, I was only ever pushing 98hp, and running 2:14's. But I was getting so much drive through T7 that I was reducing throttle before T8 because frankly, I was fucking scared, which happens to me around 140mph. :dunno

Are you being sarcastic when you say you were doing 140mph in turn 7 running 2:14's rolling off the throttle? :confused

[Var]

can 98 hp even get u to 140mph through T7?

[GiorgioFurioso]

Originally posted by yody
Are you being sarcastic when you say you were doing 140mph in turn 7 running 2:14's rolling off the throttle? :confused

All right Hawkeye(s), re-read what I wrote. Never said I hit 140 through T7. 100+ through T7 is what I wrote. I roll off throttle around T8 because at that point I am fucking flying, and it gets damn scary.

Sheesh. :hand