Run? Swim? Bike? It's the Triathlon / Multisport thread!

[MrCrash]

I know a few PMs are circulating with regards to possible relay teams for next year. Enough people seemed interested that I figured it was worthy of its own thread :)

There are at least a few of us: I know Roxy / zx6roxy did a few events before injuries slowed her down last year, and Joel / Atak Kat has a couple of big events on his schedule schedule for 2008. (Former?) AFM fast guy Jeff Tigert is new to the scene but already killin' it, placing 15th or so in his age group at the Santa Cruz Sentinel Olympic Distance tri and running a 1:29 Half Marathon this past weekend.

I've really enjoyed pushing and testing myself in triathlon after taking a step back from motorcycle racing, and I know I'm not the only one. If you're thinking of giving it a go, or just looking someone to run / swim / bike with, let's hear from ya!

[Baptistro]

I'm in. Not sure if I'm up for a relay yet, but definitely interested in training, inspiration, and competition.

[zx6roxy]

Woohoo!!:applause

I'm really looking forward to getting back into racing in the upcoming year.

I thought it would also be fun to get a few members together and forming a BARF triathlon relay team:teeth

[norcal99]

Never done a triathalon, but raced in Category 2's during college... guess I could do the time trial part :thumbup Sounds interesting nonetheless!

[mrtnz]

I can't run, swim or bike, but I am interested in volunteering for motorcycle safety if they have such positions.

You folks are AWESOME for thinking of doing this! :thumbup

GO BARF TRIATHLON RELAY TEAM!!!!! :banana

[}Dragon{]

Mike- let me know if your team needs anything (Cyto/MM etc.). Best of luck guys. :thumbup

[yama-emma]

I've been really out an exercise routine for a while, and only have vague memories of a mini triathlon i did years ago... but I'd love to have the motivation to get back into training :)

[MrCrash]

Never done a triathalon, but raced in Category 2's during college... guess I could do the time trial part :thumbup Sounds interesting nonetheless!

Or you could just be like me - let everyone go in the swim, get a bunch of em back on the bike, and watch em sail away one final time on the run :)

I can't run, swim or bike, but I am interested in volunteering for motorcycle safety if they have such positions.

You might be surprised at what you're capable of if you work at it. Before last year, I hadn't swam in over 20 years, and never ran more than 4 miles. I've done three Half Ironman triathlons since then!

Mike- let me know if your team needs anything (Cyto/MM etc.). Best of luck guys. :thumbup

I live on that stuff, and will definitely let ya know - thanks!

I've been really out an exercise routine for a while, and only have vague memories of a mini triathlon i did years ago... but I'd love to have the motivation to get back into training :)

I know at least one person who lacks the motivation to train without having others to train with. If people start posting rides / runs / swims here, that might be something that works for ya?

[zx6roxy]

I know at least one person who lacks the motivation to train without having others to train with.

That would be me:wave

Especially for the longer training sessions..

[MrCrash]

My main events for next year (barring no conflicts with AFM events):

- Napa Marathon
- Wildflower Long Course (still have a credit from last year)
- Big Kahuna
- The Downieville Classic

In addition to those, I might also do an Xterra off-road tri, but nothing is set in stone. Since I have an AFM event every month between March and October, there's a good chance a schedule conflict will prevent me from running at least 1/4 of the events I'd like to enter.

It's one thing to stay active, but another thing entirely to have a goal to train for. Triathlon and multisport events have given me plenty of goals!

[mikev]

Damn shin splints :(

I feel half crippled after playing a doubleheader in baseball or an hour long indoor soccer match.

I'd love to do something like this, but (literally) running even a mile causes pain to the point of barely being able to walk.

Halp!

[zx6roxy]

Here are my goals for next year:

-Napa Valley Marathon (first marathon)

-San Jose International Triathlon (Olympic distance)

-Alcatraz swim (2nd crossing)

EDIT: an Xterra off road tri sounds fun!

************************************

I'm starting to increase the distance of my long runs.

Next week I will start swimming again.

As for cycling, I hope to do it twice a week.

[yama-emma]

mmm.
so I'm perhaps in a different league... know of any sprint-distance (i.e. really short wee little) triathlons that *I* can aim for? THe whole olympic distance things freaks me out.

[zx6roxy]

Here are some sites:

http://bayareatri.com/index.php?action=race-list&PHPSESSID=b3345a628cb261777b9fbfccf9d3e7df

http://www.active.com/triathlon/

http://www.changeofpace.com/Event_Calendar/event_calendar.htm

http://www.tricalifornia.com/

http://www.envirosports.com/

http://www.japroductions.com/home.html

http://www.tbfracing.com/

Some useful tools:

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/default.asp

http://www.triathletemag.com/site3.aspx

[yama-emma]

^^ Holy resources BATMAN!

thanks!

[Baptistro]

Damn shin splints :(

I feel half crippled after playing a doubleheader in baseball or an hour long indoor soccer match.

I'd love to do something like this, but (literally) running even a mile causes pain to the point of barely being able to walk.

Halp!

Technique eliminated my shin splints, and I had them bad. :thumbup

mmm.
so I'm perhaps in a different league... know of any sprint-distance (i.e. really short wee little) triathlons that *I* can aim for? THe whole olympic distance things freaks me out.

I'm with you Emma, I'm gonna start with a sprint or two before even thinking of tackling an Olympic distance event. But I do want to do an Ironman before the decade is out.

[mikev]

Technique eliminated my shin splints, and I had them bad. :thumbup

Be more specific or I will ban you! :twofinger

[Baptistro]

Be more specific or I will ban you! :twofinger

I trained for my first marathon with a broken left tibia and horrible shinsplints that I had suffered with my entire life. I took a class on Chi Running (half day seminar), and it changed everything. I still follow what I think are the principles behind it that help me, but a lot of it might be a bit over the top. The whole concept behind it is to "run without using your legs".

Look it up and get the book and/or the dvd, taking the class is probably much better, as you get someone working with you on body mechanics. After you get some info on it, I'd be happy to meet up with you and show you the techniques I still apply that my help you. It takes a couple of weeks to really get used to it, but it really helps.

[MrCrash]

I'm currently reading the Chi Running book, as my running is almost as bad as my swimming.

If anyone else is interested in making arrangements for a Chi Running clinic / seminar, let's talk!

[Baptistro]

I still have the contact info for the guy who did my seminar. He's already offered us a group rate, substantially discounted from his usual rate. These guys are pretty pricey.

[Tyke]

if any of you need equipment let me know, I work for a company that distributes high end road and tri athlon bikes and components

Always willing to hook a BARF member up !

[wickerman777]

Next week I find out if I will be getting the new shoulder at the end of the year. Wether I get that or not decides wether I'll be joining some of you at these events. I'm going to keep up to date though as even if the surgery is scheduled I want to train with you anyway right up to the moment.

And Bap I've still got the letter granting us access into next years Muddy Buddy. Hopefully I can attend it this time but I will definitely give you more notice this time if my surgery will conflict. Shin splints kept me out of this years Muddy Buddy but I've more ot less dealt with it via really exspensive shoes and my own sort of shadetree chi running technique though I still have minor issues if I push to hard. I'm up to about 3 miles now and could probably go further if pushed. I am really interested with the Chi running course. If one is scheduled out here again then I'm a definite.

[racerXgirl]

I don't run, nor do I swim. I'll bike with you folks though!

[Atak Kat]

if any of you need equipment let me know, I work for a company that distributes high end road and tri athlon bikes and components

Always willing to hook a BARF member up !

Cool! I'm shopping around for a Tri bike.
I test rode a Cervelo P3C a few months ago and loved it. Now I need it!! :)

-ak-

[MrCrash]

Cool! I'm shopping around for a Tri bike.
I test rode a Cervelo P3C a few months ago and loved it. Now I need it!! :)

Once I sell my Specialized Enduro, I'll be in the market for one too :) Probably won't be til Spring, but I'm definitely interested.

Good luck at Treasure Island this weekend!

[zx6roxy]

Good luck at Treasure Island this weekend!

+1

[Atak Kat]

But I do want to do an Ironman before the decade is out.

I'm signed up for Ironman Florida in '08. :teeth

-ak-

[Atak Kat]

Good luck at Treasure Island this weekend!

+1

Thanks! The only thing I'm not looking forward to is getting into that cold Bay water at 7AM. Otherwise, it should be a great day to swim/bike/run. :)

-ak-

[Baptistro]

I'm signed up for Ironman Florida in '08. :teeth

-ak-

:wow :loco :loco :loco :wow

[zx6roxy]

I'm signed up for Ironman Florida in '08. :teeth

-ak-

That's awesome:applause

[wickerman777]

if any of you need equipment let me know, I work for a company that distributes high end road and tri athlon bikes and components

Always willing to hook a BARF member up !

I would like a set of Krysium wheels and the Dura Ace carbon cranks please. Some Campangolo carbon record shifters and derailleurs would be nice too:cool

Or I could use a new water bottle:p

[MrCrash]

I'm signed up for Ironman Florida in '08. :teeth

-ak-

That's awesome :) How hard was it to get a slot?

I'm hoping for IM Coeur d'Alene in 09 - doubt I'd be ready for something before that!

[Baptistro]

Next week I find out if I will be getting the new shoulder at the end of the year. Wether I get that or not decides wether I'll be joining some of you at these events. I'm going to keep up to date though as even if the surgery is scheduled I want to train with you anyway right up to the moment.

And Bap I've still got the letter granting us access into next years Muddy Buddy. Hopefully I can attend it this time but I will definitely give you more notice this time if my surgery will conflict. Shin splints kept me out of this years Muddy Buddy but I've more ot less dealt with it via really exspensive shoes and my own sort of shadetree chi running technique though I still have minor issues if I push to hard. I'm up to about 3 miles now and could probably go further if pushed. I am really interested with the Chi running course. If one is scheduled out here again then I'm a definite.

You know I'm down for that. I just picked up Mikey's old MTB so I'll be ready ;)

[Rebecca]

I did a few sprint triathlons last year & Xterra this year. I've been off the training wagon for 8 months (work & laziness) but I just started training again last week - I'll be very interested to keep up with this thread!

2008 Goals (if they don't conflict with SMUSA)

Xterra
at least 1 10K
Granite Bay Triathlon
Golden State Triathlon

2009

Olympic Distance

Thanks for the added inspiration!

Rebecca

[MrCrash]

I did a few sprint triathlons last year & Xterra this year. I've been off the training wagon for 8 months (work & laziness) but I just started training again last week - I'll be very interested to keep up with this thread!

2008 Goals (if they don't conflict with SMUSA)

Xterra
at least 1 10K
Granite Bay Triathlon
Golden State Triathlon

2009

Olympic Distance

Thanks for the added inspiration!

Rebecca

Good stuff :) Just wondering - which Xterra did you do? I'm kinda curious as to which local trails bear the most resemblance to Xterra bike courses.

Are you leaning towards any particular Olympic distance tri?

[Atak Kat]

That's awesome :) How hard was it to get a slot?

I was one of the lucky ones. There are 1800 slots.

It sold out in 15 minutes.


I'm hoping for IM Coeur d'Alene in 09 - doubt I'd be ready for something before that!
I originally wanted to do CDA next year, but I waited too long to register and it sold out. I want to do it in '09, so let's plan to make a BARF presence. :)

[Baptistro]

Mikey, where's the closest bike shop to us? I think I need to clip in. My feet are all over the place every time I get a little air. Where do you recommend I go near me? Already got pedals coming, need good but economical shoes.

[MrCrash]

Mikey, where's the closest bike shop to us? I think I need to clip in. My feet are all over the place every time I get a little air. Where do you recommend I go near me? Already got pedals coming, need good but economical shoes.

Mike's Bikes is a good chain shop over on University, but Performance Bicycle Shop near REI in Berkeley is hard to beat as far as prices go. Looking at the website, their shoes start around $50.

I've never used their house brand shoes, but Heather / DucatiHoney uses hers for roadbiking. She hasn't said anything bad about them yet!

[Rebecca]

I did the Granite Bay Xterra. It was by far the toughest event I've done. TBF racing puts on Mountain Bike Duathlons before the event - so you can practice a very similar course. There were lots of hills, sand pits, mud and mostly smooth trails with a few technical rock sections that are not too difficult.

The swim was intense! Swimming is (actually was) my strong point - so I try to start up front. For Xterra it is a mass start. So 400+ people hit the water at the same time - lots of kicking, scratching, hitting, people swimming over people & others trying to grab your foot to pull themselves forward! It was fun!

The run was hilly - but I had nothing left after the bike. I like my tri bike on the road course better!

Any recomendations for an Olympic distance - the Wildflower looks fun.

[zx6roxy]

Any recomendations for an Olympic distance.

If you're looking for a high speed course--San Jose International would be the one to do---its one of the fastest international distance tris in the US. Check out the splits for the bike ride!

http://www.japroductions.com/home.html

I'll be doing this race next June.

[MrCrash]

I did the Granite Bay Xterra. It was by far the toughest event I've done. TBF racing puts on Mountain Bike Duathlons before the event - so you can practice a very similar course. There were lots of hills, sand pits, mud and mostly smooth trails with a few technical rock sections that are not too difficult.

Thanks for the info - we'll probably give that a try! While trail riding is my strong point, my girlfriend is still pretty new to it - the more practice she can get on terrain similar to the course itself, the better.

The swim was intense! Swimming is (actually was) my strong point - so I try to start up front. For Xterra it is a mass start. So 400+ people hit the water at the same time - lots of kicking, scratching, hitting, people swimming over people & others trying to grab your foot to pull themselves forward! It was fun!

I'm always one of the last swimmers out of the water, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem :)

Any recomendations for an Olympic distance - the Wildflower looks fun.

Wildflower is fun, but tough! I had a lot of fun doing the Santa Cruz Sentinel international distance tri this year - the run course was flat, the bike was mostly flat with a few rollers, while the course itself was super scenic!

[Rebecca]

zx6roxy - Oh, I'm not fast on the bike - I just have a better chance on the road than off-road! Looks fun though!

MrCrash - I hope to stick to my training so that in '09 I won't be scared of the Wildflower, but I'm not sure I'm keen on 8000 people! Is the Santa Cruz Sentinel smaller?

[jtigert]

This is how I am kicking off my year:
Los Angeles Marathon
Solvang Century
Ironman 70.3 Oceanside
Wildflower Long Course
Vineman 70.3

Maybe Auburn's thoughest Half, still thinking about it. I am going to try and qualify for Florida 70.3, and if I am lucky Kona. I am going to need some good luck and bunch more work, but by 2009 I want to race Kona.

[zx6roxy]

This is how I am kicking off my year:
Los Angeles Marathon
Solvang Century
Ironman 70.3 Oceanside
Wildflower Long Course
Vineman 70.3

Maybe Auburn's thoughest Half, still thinking about it. I am going to try and qualify for Florida 70.3, and if I am lucky Kona. I am going to need some good luck and bunch more work, but by 2009 I want to race Kona.


WOW!:applause

[Atak Kat]

This is one of the most comprehensive multisport calendars I've found so far:

2008 California Triathlon Calendar (http://findaraceevent.com/user/ca.aspx?region=california&sport=multisport&year=2008).

-ak-

[Atak Kat]

For anyone that's even the slightest bit interested in triathlons, volunteering at an event is the best way to get a front row seat and be right in the middle of all the action without breaking a sweat.

Volunteering can include:

- body marking (writing race numbers on athelete's bodies)
- directing traffic in the transition areas
- handing out food/gels/water bottles at aid stations

The Treasure Island Tri is this Saturday and they're looking for volunteers:

http://www.tricalifornia.com/treasureisland/2007/ (click on the volunteer link).

-ak-

[soulinthewall77]

...I actually run regularly for fitness purposes, recreational, etc. And, I frequent the gym a couple of times/week. I think this relay thing sounds like a fun challenge. I'm not big on competition, per-se, but, I'd be willing to participate, if you need more help. Thanks, and best'...:)

[antipathy]

Damn shin splints :(


I used to get shin splints but it was because I was putting too much weight on the balls & outside edge of my feet when I ran. I now run with better form and never had shin splints again. Quit running like a ballerina and see if that helps any. :twofinger

Here is something that might also be of help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_splints (See 2nd paragraph under "Causes")

[Rebecca]

I had to start running like a ballerina to get rid of my shin splints! I was running heels first & was killing my legs, I also sounded like a miniature Clydesdale! I read Running for Triathletes and started doing the evolution running thing & it helped a lot. My sprints are way faster too!

[antipathy]

Wow, that's very interesting. Thanks for sharing your info, Rebecca. :thumbup

Mikev, please continue running like a ballerina. :teeth :later

Mike Solis, are there any dates for the events that you've mentioned? It would help to have a preliminary timeframe for how long folks have to train.

Also I've always wondered if there is such a thing as a footrace on local trails or in hilly areas, like a hare scramble for runners. That seems more fun to me than just hoofing it on pavement for 10K.

[Rebecca]

Not sure the ballerina thing is correct - it just helped me!:teeth I'm still pathetically slow on the run leg! At the Stanford Tri I was 3rd on the swim, fifth on the bike & 12th on the run! I just probably would have walked if I hadn't changed my running style. I was amazed when I started reading that there are lots of ways to run - I never really thought of it before!

TBF does a cross country run at the same time or before the mountain bike duathlons. It's not the Bay Area, but Granite Bay is nice and TBF puts on very well run events.

You could also search for cross country running events by area on www.active.com
www.tbfracing.com

[zx6roxy]

The Treasure Island Tri is this Saturday

-ak-

Has anyone heard if the Treasure Island races this weekend are still
on? Or is the fuel oil spill going to cancel it?

[MrCrash]

MrCrash - I hope to stick to my training so that in '09 I won't be scared of the Wildflower, but I'm not sure I'm keen on 8000 people! Is the Santa Cruz Sentinel smaller?

Looks like around 850 finishers at Sentinel. I didn't realize Wildflower had 10x as many competitors!

Has anyone heard if the Treasure Island races this weekend are still
on? Or is the fuel oil spill going to cancel it?

According to one of the GGTC officers who was at the TI volunteer meeting last night, it's still on. Not sure if they were aware of the severity of the spill at that point - if I were entered, I'm not sure if I'd do it.

Maybe Auburn's thoughest Half, still thinking about it. I am going to try and qualify for Florida 70.3, and if I am lucky Kona. I am going to need some good luck and bunch more work, but by 2009 I want to race Kona.

I'm in pain just looking at your schedule :) As hard as you're working, I'm sure you can make it happen!

[zx6roxy]

According to one of the GGTC officers who was at the TI volunteer meeting last night, it's still on. Not sure if they were aware of the severity of the spill at that point - if I were entered, I'm not sure if I'd do it.

Yup, the oil spill went from 140 gallons (yesterday) to 58,000 (as of today).

Don't think I'd swim in that water...

[Atak Kat]

Has anyone heard if the Treasure Island races this weekend are still
on? Or is the fuel oil spill going to cancel it?

I just emailed TriCal if/when an official announcement will be made.

[Ducky_Fresh]

I know at least one person who lacks the motivation to train without having others to train with. If people start posting rides / runs / swims here, that might be something that works for ya?

:wave

[Atak Kat]

Yup, the oil spill went from 140 gallons (yesterday) to 58,000 (as of today).

Don't think I'd swim in that water...

Sounds like the event is still on. Their reply:

"Tri-California Events is aware of the oil spill affecting the San Francisco Bay . At this time, the San Francisco Police Department and Water Safety have determined that there is no oil in or around Pirates Cove, Treasure Island where the swim portion of the race will take place. At this time, we have approval to swim in Pirates Cove. Please continue check the website for updated information. We are planning to continue with our regularly scheduled events, and will notify all participants via email if anything changes. We are looking forward to a great event. "

Oh well. If there is any oil in the water, my wetsuit should slide right off after the swim. :laughing

[billswim]

I don't really enjoy running but I do like the occasional bike ride but can't do a century or anything like that maybe 1/2 or 1/3. But I do love to swim and have coached swimming and swam competitively at the international level so if anyone wants a fast swim partner or coach, hit me up. I've actually been toying with the idea of starting a swimming instruction service aimed at tri-athletes as traditionally, swimming is almost everyone's weakest leg. If that sounds interesting to anyone let me know and since I'm still in the planning stages, a steep discount will apply.

[zx6roxy]

... so if anyone wants a fast swim partner or coach, hit me up. I've actually been toying with the idea of starting a swimming instruction service aimed at tri-athletes as traditionally, swimming is almost everyone's weakest leg. If that sounds interesting to anyone let me know and since I'm still in the planning stages, a steep discount will apply.

:wave

[MrCrash]

Oh well. If there is any oil in the water, my wetsuit should slide right off after the swim. :laughing

Hope things work out for ya - the pics I've seen look pretty frightening:

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/11/09/ba_oil_spill_0299_kr.jpg

I've actually been toying with the idea of starting a swimming instruction service aimed at tri-athletes as traditionally, swimming is almost everyone's weakest leg. If that sounds interesting to anyone let me know and since I'm still in the planning stages, a steep discount will apply.

Swimming is still my weakest leg, but anyone who has seen me swim before and after Bill helped me out can see the difference he made!

[Atak Kat]

Hope things work out for ya - the pics I've seen look pretty frightening:


This isn't looking good. :(

Here's Aquatic Park:

[Atak Kat]

I don't really enjoy running but I do like the occasional bike ride but can't do a century or anything like that maybe 1/2 or 1/3. But I do love to swim and have coached swimming and swam competitively at the international level so if anyone wants a fast swim partner or coach, hit me up. I've actually been toying with the idea of starting a swimming instruction service aimed at tri-athletes as traditionally, swimming is almost everyone's weakest leg. If that sounds interesting to anyone let me know and since I'm still in the planning stages, a steep discount will apply.

Count me in! Swimming is my weakest event.

[Ducky_Fresh]

Billswim, your name makes so much more sense now! :)

[Rebecca]

I'd be very interested in a Tri specific swim workshop. I could not do it regularly as I live in the Valley - but I would drive for a work shop!

[Baptistro]

9:00 a.m. East Bay beginner MTB ride, Chabot Equestrian Center to the Lake Chabot Marina and back. 9 ish. Three of us going so far. Please PM me for details.

If it is more convenient, there is ample parking at Grass Valley & Skyline trailhead, 1.5 mile south of starting point. Taking Goldenrod Trail south to Bass Cove Trail, by the dam, and West Shore Trail to the Marina. Approx. 6.5 miles out (13 total)

[Baptistro]

I hate you Mike. Sonny and I ended up doing the entire loop at Lake Chabot in the counterclockwise direction. All told, 16.5 miles or so of what seemed like insignificant downhills and crazy hills all the damn way. By the time we got back to the trailhead by my house, on the last insignificant climb, both freaking quads cramped up at once. If this is the easy stuff, I'm gonna need a year of the easy stuff to even think of anything tougher. :cry

Sonny, I hate you, you made every climb look easy, and I know you almost never work out. :mad

At least we beat the rain. I hope you guys were as fortunate and had a great day.

[fawndog]

Not true, I train at least twice a week.
Sorry kiddo, I am better at the cycling. :ride

While riding Bap and I brainstormed:

TRI-BARF
0.5mile swim, 12mile bike, 3mile run

I think we can run an underground sprint distance TRI, logistics need to be worked out. (may involve some rule breaking; get in, do it, get out.)

Tell us what you think.

[wickerman777]

I'm in, lets do it before christmas.

And i can't train on saturdays:cry have some love for those of us in the industry:thumbup

[zx6roxy]

I'm in!!:teeth

Which weekend? It would have to be on a Sunday.

12/2

12/9

12/16

12/23

[fawndog]

I'm in, lets do it before christmas.

And i can't train on saturdays:cry have some love for those of us in the industry:thumbup

Train on your own time friggen pedal pirate!


Race will be on a Sunday.

[MrCrash]

Bap, if you can handle that loop, you're in pretty good shape! I'm impressed - it took me some time to build up to the full counterclockwise loop :)

We had a good ride out at China Camp today - hope you make it out for the next one! It was me, Lisa, Cody (Yody), Cody's buddy Hayden, Everett (Ducky Fresh), Michelle, and Michelle. With a bike mechanic, a personal trainer, a physical therapist, and a massage therapist all along for our ride today, I think we were in good hands if anyone had any problems!

It started raining about halfway through the ride, but the tree cover kept it from being too bad in most places. It was Everett's first mtb ride, he was railing around on my lightweight XC (backup) bike - I think he was diggin the downhill :)

It was a wet, muddy mess afterwards, but I think everyone had a great time!

[MrCrash]

A couple of weeks ago, Elaine (smallnfast) came with Lisa and I for a lap of China Camp. At one point during the ride, Elaine was showing off her old BMX skills while Lisa pitched it trying to do a wheelie.

The loop is about 8-9 miles long with about 90% singletrack, a lot of which swoops through the hills on some fun, long, descents that aren't too technical or challenging.

[Baptistro]

Bap, if you can handle that loop, you're in pretty good shape! I'm impressed - it took me some time to build up to the full counterclockwise loop :)

We had a good ride out at China Camp today - hope you make it out for the next one! It was me, Lisa, Cody (Yody), Cody's buddy Hayden, Everett (Ducky Fresh), Michelle, and Michelle. With a bike mechanic, a personal trainer, a physical therapist, and a massage therapist all along for our ride today, I think we were in good hands if anyone had any problems!

It started raining about halfway through the ride, but the tree cover kept it from being too bad in most places. It was Everett's first mtb ride, he was railing around on my lightweight XC (backup) bike - I think he was diggin the downhill :)

It was a wet, muddy mess afterwards, but I think everyone had a great time!

I wouldn't say I "handled" it. More like I got my ass handed to ME. I tried every hill, but ended up walking parts of many. As soon as I can stay in teh saddle the entire loop, I'll let you know. ;)

Sonny and I are seriously considering setting up a mini tri up around here, although my ability to compete before year's end is quite questionable. I need to develop some cycling legs :p

You guys certainly seem to have had a good time, smiles are good :) Post more pics if you got 'em

[billswim]

Not true, I train at least twice a week.
Sorry kiddo, I am better at the cycling. :ride

While riding Bap and I brainstormed:

TRI-BARF
0.5mile swim, 12mile bike, 3mile run

I think we can run an underground sprint distance TRI, logistics need to be worked out. (may involve some rule breaking; get in, do it, get out.)

Tell us what you think.

Hell, Even I can make a 3 mile run. Make it a road course
(bike) and count me in...oh yeah, "Old fart" class? Formula 40? I need a handicap against you pups!

[MrCrash]

Mike Solis, are there any dates for the events that you've mentioned? It would help to have a preliminary timeframe for how long folks have to train.

Many of the schedules aren't out yet, but here's what I've got:

Running
- Napa Marathon (March 2)

Mountain Biking
- Downieville Classic (July 11-13)

Triathlon
- Wildflower Long Course (May 2-4)
- Big Kahuna (beginning of September)
- Santa Cruz Sentinel (end of September)

Also I've always wondered if there is such a thing as a footrace on local trails or in hilly areas, like a hare scramble for runners. That seems more fun to me than just hoofing it on pavement for 10K.

On the Xterra site, there are plenty of trail runs if that's what you're interested in!

[Yody]

Riding in the mud=fun :) good times!

BTW can't wait for next week, just got a new front shock and a set of wheels put on :Party:Party

[MrCrash]

I think we can run an underground sprint distance TRI, logistics need to be worked out. (may involve some rule breaking; get in, do it, get out.)

When I was with Team in Training, we actually did a practice tri out at Shadow Cliffs in Pleasanton. After a couple of laps of the swimming area in the lake, we got on our bikes and did a couple of laps of the area (Stanley to Isabel to Vineyard to Bernal and back). The run was done on the dirt trails out at Shadow Cliffs.

The problem is that is the water temp - people probably gonna need wetsuits at this time of year. Or were you thinking of doing it at a pool?

[Yody]

I don't really enjoy running but I do like the occasional bike ride but can't do a century or anything like that maybe 1/2 or 1/3. But I do love to swim and have coached swimming and swam competitively at the international level so if anyone wants a fast swim partner or coach, hit me up. I've actually been toying with the idea of starting a swimming instruction service aimed at tri-athletes as traditionally, swimming is almost everyone's weakest leg. If that sounds interesting to anyone let me know and since I'm still in the planning stages, a steep discount will apply.

Do I have to put my head in the water??:cry:teeth

[fawndog]

When I was with Team in Training, we actually did a practice tri out at Shadow Cliffs in Pleasanton. After a couple of laps of the swimming area in the lake, we got on our bikes and did a couple of laps of the area (Stanley to Isabel to Vineyard to Bernal and back). The run was done on the dirt trails out at Shadow Cliffs.

The problem is that is the water temp - people probably gonna need wetsuits at this time of year. Or were you thinking of doing it at a pool?

Thinking "freshwater swim", yeah cold, but you can rent wetsuits I hear.

[Ducky_Fresh]

Thanks again Mike! That was a fucking blast!!!

I'm down to do it again this weekend if it works out..

[mikev]

Mikev, please continue running like a ballerina. :teeth :later

For the last time, I'm not wearing a tutu for you Alicia, I don't care how sexay yer voice is! :twofinger

[MrCrash]

Sunday was a good day for a short road ride, the first one I had done in a while. I was joined by Lisa, Heather (DucatiHoney), Joe (Harpo), and Gregory (Bicyclemech1).

Photo 1 - Bikes in every direction for some pre-ride maintenance at Harpo's place
Photo 2 - Everyone regroups after Gregory gets a flat
Photo 3 - Squeaky bike horn and Jabba the Fanny Pack

[MrCrash]

Started in Lafayette, climbed and descended Happy Valley, Bear Creek Road, Alhambra Valley Road, Reliez Valley Road, and Deer Hill Road. Totals for the ride:

Distance: 21.75 miles
Elevation: 2712 ft

[Atak Kat]

Sounds like a nice ride. When's the next one?

[MrCrash]

Thanks again Mike! That was a fucking blast!!!

I'm down to do it again this weekend if it works out..

I'm stoked that you had a good time - we've got to get you up to speed for the AFMer ride that's in the works!

Sounds like a nice ride. When's the next one?

Not sure right now - be more than happy to keep ya posted though! The wetter the trails are on weekends, the more we'll be road biking - I need to find a way to split things evenly between trails and pavement.

[MrCrash]

Sounds like a nice ride. When's the next one?

Oh yeah - How did TI go for ya? Heard from others that the swimless duathlon format was a little chaotic.

[Ducky_Fresh]

Who has the hookup on bicycles? :D

[Yody]

You should buy that red one from Mike, looked like a good fit for you

[MrCrash]

You should buy that red one from Mike, looked like a good fit for you

I'm actually keeping the red one - with a little less travel and weight than my green bike, I'll probably be using it for Xterra off road triathlons next year. Maybe a few cross country mountain bike races too.

On the other hand, this bad boy is for sale. It's practically brand new - retails for $2800, I've ridden it less than 10 times. 6" travel front and rear, 31 lbs in it's current state - I was hoping to get $2100 for it:

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/218/412/3398487-enduro-sl.jpg

[Yody]

Oh wow that is nice, whats the deal going for it? I heard good reviews on that bike. I'd be all over that if I hadn't just upgraded my softail. How much travel does that front fork have/

[MrCrash]

Anyone else interested in doing a Chi Running clinic? While I'm still reading the book, my posture goes to crap when I try to run light on my feet, and my ankles start getting sore a few miles into any run at a decent pace. With the help of a good running clinic, I'd really like to try and make some breakthroughs this winter.

Between me, Lisa, and Jeremy, it looks like we have three people interested. John, do you know how many people we need for the group rate?

[Baptistro]

count me in as a fourth, and I believe we'd need 6 minimum to get 'er done.

[Atak Kat]

Oh yeah - How did TI go for ya? Heard from others that the swimless duathlon format was a little chaotic.
I actually had a blast and had my best run. Maybe I should stick to duathlons instead. :-)

The race start was interesting. They had us lined up in front of the timing mat outside the transition area. No shoes & socks just like we came out of the water. Clock started counting once we crossed the timing mat into transition to get our bikes.

The bike course still sucks. The bumps, cracks, potholes, and a little gravel made for an interesting bike ride. I saw a couple of cyclists on the ground and hauled away in ambulances. Either they hit the curb (it was narrow in a few places) or they bumped each other. I also saw a few people on the run with road rash on their shoulder.

The run course was 'ok'. completely flat but it was 3 loops this year versus 2 last year.

Overall, it was still a challenging race without the swim. Yeah, I'll probably do it again next year. :)

-ak-

[zx6roxy]

I actually had a blast and had my best run. Maybe I should stick to duathlons instead. :-)

The race start was interesting. They had us lined up in front of the timing mat outside the transition area. No shoes & socks just like we came out of the water. Clock started counting once we crossed the timing mat into transition to get our bikes.

The bike course still sucks. The bumps, cracks, potholes, and a little gravel made for an interesting bike ride. I saw a couple of cyclists on the ground and hauled away in ambulances. Either they hit the curb (it was narrow in a few places) or they bumped each other. I also saw a few people on the run with road rash on their shoulder.

The run course was 'ok'. completely flat but it was 3 loops this year versus 2 last year.

Overall, it was still a challenging race without the swim. Yeah, I'll probably do it again next year. :)

-ak-

Congrats Joel! Glad you had a blast:thumbup

I doubt they'll ever do anything to fix the bike course. The potholes, bumps, and cracks have always been a problem.

The run was 9 miles long?

[jtigert]

I actually had a blast and had my best run. Maybe I should stick to duathlons instead. :-)

The race start was interesting. They had us lined up in front of the timing mat outside the transition area. No shoes & socks just like we came out of the water. Clock started counting once we crossed the timing mat into transition to get our bikes.

The bike course still sucks. The bumps, cracks, potholes, and a little gravel made for an interesting bike ride. I saw a couple of cyclists on the ground and hauled away in ambulances. Either they hit the curb (it was narrow in a few places) or they bumped each other. I also saw a few people on the run with road rash on their shoulder.

The run course was 'ok'. completely flat but it was 3 loops this year versus 2 last year.

Overall, it was still a challenging race without the swim. Yeah, I'll probably do it again next year. :)

-ak-

I couldn't believe the carnage on the bike course. It seemed like I saw people down almost every lap. Knowing those bike course challenges, but not having actual course road time, I took a gamble on riding the road bike vs. tri bike thinking the course demanded more bike handling skills. Turns out I didn't even need to brake for much and the lack of aero bars killed my time. Plus the symptoms of a cold during the week really killed my power, so what was suppossed to be a great end to my first year as a trialthlete ended in dissapointment, but every race you learn more and I will be better prepared for next year. Hope to see you guys this winter for some off season training.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e71/jtigert/TreasureIslandTri_Tigert_Run3_Nov07.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e71/jtigert/TreasureIslandTri_Tigert_Bike_Nov07.jpg

[MrCrash]

Damn Jeff, my back hurts just looking at that picture of you in the drops.

Congrats on a kick ass first season of triathlon - it's mountain bike time now! :)

[MrCrash]

Congrats Joel! Glad you had a blast:thumbup

+1 :thumbup

[kubiks]

Anyone else interested in doing a Chi Running clinic? While I'm still reading the book, my posture goes to crap when I try to run light on my feet, and my ankles start getting sore a few miles into any run at a decent pace. With the help of a good running clinic, I'd really like to try and make some breakthroughs this winter.

Between me, Lisa, and Jeremy, it looks like we have three people interested. John, do you know how many people we need for the group rate?

Hey, me too depending on when it is.
I had shin splints real bad in college. I still don't know how I competed with them...when the gun goes off, guess you just forget about all the pain.
I think I just broke a bone in my foot though so I'm trying to take it easy kinda. Though I just ran trails for an hour on Sunday. hahaha.

[MrCrash]

Hey, me too depending on when it is.
I had shin splints real bad in college. I still don't know how I competed with them...when the gun goes off, guess you just forget about all the pain.

Awesome. One more and we're good! Come on Napa Marathoners!

I think I just broke a bone in my foot though so I'm trying to take it easy kinda. Though I just ran trails for an hour on Sunday. hahaha.

I would have expected nothing less of you :) How'd you manage to break your foot?

[kubiks]

I would have expected nothing less of you :) How'd you manage to break your foot?

Stress fracture, I think.
Running too much with tight calf and ankle muscles (it's on my bad leg). Plus I banged one the nails in my leg really hard on my friggin motorcycle so now my knee's really bothering me too. Kinda just limping around...:cry

[fawndog]

The bike course still sucks. The bumps, cracks, potholes, and a little gravel made for an interesting bike ride.

Sweet That's what bike ride is supposed to be like. :thumbup

[Atak Kat]

Sweet That's what bike ride is supposed to be like. :thumbup
Not on a road bike with 1" slicks. :(

Although there were a few mountain bikes on the road course. With the pavement conditions as they were, I think they had the advantage.

[MrCrash]

My 2007 Santa Cruz Sentinel Race Report

The short version

My girlfriend Lisa kicked my ass in our first triathlon together, and won our side bet - a Fenton's Black and Tan ice cream sundae.

The long version

There actually almost wasn't a long version. The first rain of the season fell on Saturday morning, making Highway 17 extra slick. Slick enough for a car in front of me to spin out in a curve, sending my truck sliding into the center divide as my wheels instantly locked. Somehow, we escaped without a scratch - only the tires and hubcaps rubbed on the concrete divider! We made it the rest of the way to Santa Cruz without incident, picked up our packets, and headed to our hotel for the evening.

My swim wave was scheduled to start at 8:05 while Lisa's was at 8:15, effectively giving me a 10 minute head start into the water. We figured she'd be about 10 minutes faster than me in the swim, putting us into the T1 transition area around the same time. Unfortunately, the race looked a little uncertain at that point, as Lisa's leg was still bothering her after our motorcycle ride a week earlier, making her unsure as to whether she could finish the race. She figured she'd do the swim, and play the rest by ear.

Before long, the horn sounded, and I was off in the cold Monterey Bay water, on a mission to swim around the wharf as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately, the swim took me 5 minutes longer than I had hoped, as I emerged from the water at the 40 minute mark. As I reached the transition area, Lisa was nowhere to be found - I guessed that she had a 5 minute head start on me on the bike course. I pulled my wetsuit off, threw my gear on, and was on my way.

Swim - 0.9 miles

Mike: 41:25 swim + 4:44 T1
Lisa: 26.35 swim + 5:13 T1

I got a little carried away at the start of the bike leg, passing dozens of people in the first few miles. After about 10 minutes, I checked my Garmin to see an average speed of almost 24 mph, with a heart rate of 188 bpm - not good. I clicked down a few notches to avoid certain self destruction, averaging just over 21 mph to the turn-around point in Davenport, just over 12 miles from the start.

I saw Lisa ahead of me at around Mile 14, and made sure to build up some speed to make the pass just that much more "special". Out of the seat, mashing on the pedals, I yelled out "GO BABE" as I zipped past. But with a light headwind, I struggled to hold the same pace on the return trip. I brought it home in conservation mode, mustering up just enough energy to charge past a few more groups just before the transition area. I knew it was a bad idea from a strategy standpoint, but I couldn't help myself - soon after dismounting, I parked my bike and was off on the run.

Bike - 24.8 mi

Mike: 1:11:45 (20.7 mph avg) + 1:39 T2
Lisa: 1:17:32 (19.1 mph avg) + 1:51 T2

I focused on keeping my run as effortless as possible, holding a 9:30 / mile pace for the first couple of miles. I figured I was only 2-3 minutes ahead of Lisa into the transition area, and was pretty much doomed to lose our little bet barring some sort of catastrophe.

By mile 2, I looked back to see her just a few steps behind, giggling as she tried to sneak up on me. We ran together for a few seconds, but I knew it wasn't going to happen. I guessed she was doing an 8:30 / mile pace, which was was at least 1:00 / mile faster than what I could manage. My best recorded pace in a 10K was 8:49 minutes / mile - and that was without a bike or a swim preceding it.

I clicked into conservation mode as she pulled away, as my pace floated just below 10:00 minutes / mile. I thought about speeding up to keep her in sight, but my legs weren't having it. I didn't feel like my run pace was horrendously slow, but I remember passing only one person on the course the whole time - and he was walking. Before the event, I figured my size was holding me back from excelling on the run, but runners of all shapes and sizes seemed to lumber past me during the race. It didn't bother me, but it did give me something to think about.

After an hour of running along six miles of scenic Santa Cruz coastline, I made it back to the transition area and crossed the line.

Run - 6.2 miles

Mike: 1:01:58 (9:59 / mile avg)
Lisa: 0:52:56 (8:32 / mile avg)

I found Lisa shortly after handing in my timing chip, and proceeded to bump into a number of other people. Old Team in Training teammates, fellow Golden Gate Triathlon Club members, even my neighbor up in Albany!

Even though I got my ass kicked by over 15 minutes, I had a fantastic time. I was stoked at being able to hold over 20 mph on the bike leg, keeping my run under 10:00 / mile, and just being out such a beautiful course. Lisa was stoked to not only finish the race, but to be able to run faster and farther than she had in years. It didn't have the epic feel of the Half Ironman events that I've entered, but I can easily say it was the one of most fun events I've done yet.

That being said, I'm looking forward to the next one. But if another ice cream sundae is on the line, I'm demanding a 10 minute handicap :)

Total Time

Mike: 3:01:21 (78th in age group, 629th overall)
Lisa: 2:44:07 (15th in age group, 393rd overall)

http://www.mrcrash.com/lj/10-02-07/scs1.jpg

http://www.mrcrash.com/lj/10-02-07/scs3.jpg

http://www.mrcrash.com/lj/10-02-07/scs5.jpg

[Atak Kat]

Awesome race report, Mike! Sounds like you definately had fun (and ultimately that's what it's all about).

Before the event, I figured my size was holding me back from excelling on the run, but runners of all shapes and sizes seemed to lumber past me during the race. It didn't bother me, but it did give me something to think about.
It's amazing, isn't it? I'm always amazed at the different types of people that participate in this sport.
Age, size, (dis)ability. It all goes out the window when people have trained and determined to finish.

Congrats!

-ak-
(btw, Go GGTC! )

[MrCrash]

(btw, Go GGTC! )

You're part of GGTC too? I had no idea - then again, I didn't make too many events this past year :)

Are you gonna be at their end-of-year celebration this weekend?

[Baptistro]

Awesome report Mike :thumbup

[Atak Kat]

You're part of GGTC too? I had no idea - then again, I didn't make too many events this past year :)

Are you gonna be at their end-of-year celebration this weekend?
No, unfortunately not a member. Looks like a great tri club too. Lots of cheering and encouragement whenever I see them, just like TNT. :)

[cheezy]

I'm in for whatever. I did my first duathalon relay a few weeks ago. I did the cycling portion. We got second place for a relay team, overall our combined time put us in top 30. It's kinda cheating though since I didn't partake in the whole run/bike/run. I had a blast though.

Do keep me posted!

[fawndog]

A few months ago I ran into Harpo, talk about a blast from the past. We talked briefly about cycles and motos, this is what he said; "You'd be surprised that you can spend as much and sometimes more on a bicycle than a moto" I was like :wtf
Now that I'm looking at cycle stuff more closely, I'm horrified at how right he was.

Like this bling piece I acquired

[MrCrash]

Nice! What kind of bike are you riding?

[fawndog]

Nice! What kind of bike are you riding?
I have a rigid now (Scott Team Race) that sees double duty on and off road.
The plan is to build a XC hardtail, I'm not into DH so much since my Grizzly Peak/DRZ excursion.

[MrCrash]

Anyone doing any 5K or 10K Turkey Trots in the area? I had fun at the huge one in Sacramento last year - looking at my options for something a little closer. The SF one was cut down to 5K due to some oil-spill cleanup induced reroute - looks like San Jose is my closest option?

[zx6roxy]

The SF one was cut down to 5K due to some oil-spill cleanup induced reroute - looks like San Jose is my closest option?

I thought about doing the SF one....but they moved the course to GGP.

How about just getting a group together and doing a 10k:p

I'd be up for a 10k on Friday.

[yama-emma]

I'd come running with you guys this weekend (god knows I'll need it after eating all day thursday)... but I am going to be sipping cocktails in mexico this weekend! :Party :twofinger

[Atak Kat]

How about just getting a group together and doing a 10k:p

I'd be up for a 10k on Friday.

I'd be up for it.
There's a reason this thread's in the 'social gatherings' section, right? :p

-ak-

[Baptistro]

When and where? :)

[MrCrash]

Here's an official 10K on Sunday, if anyone is interested:

http://www.calacademy.org/runwild/

[Baptistro]

uh, anyone want to ride or run on Friday? That'll be my only free day this weekend.

[wickerman777]

uh, anyone want to ride or run on Friday? That'll be my only free day this weekend.

I would love to do some dirt riding this fri John. I'm racing in the super prestige Cyclocross in GGP on Sunday and desperately need some time on my x bike beforehand. I'm free all Fri.

[MrCrash]

uh, anyone want to ride or run on Friday? That'll be my only free day this weekend.

I would love to do some dirt riding this fri John. I'm racing in the super prestige Cyclocross in GGP on Sunday and desperately need some time on my x bike beforehand. I'm free all Fri.

I still have to run it by Lisa, but would you guys be interested in an early morning China Camp run?

[Baptistro]

I would most certainly be interested in an early morning china camp ride.

Jer, if you can't make China Camp, take BART to my house, we can do a loop in my neighborhood. I'll pick you up at BART.

If I go to China Camp, I may be able to pick you and the bike up. I'll try to get a bike rack so we don't have to throw both bikes in the back of my tiny little car.

If we need to coordinate, cell phone would be best. I'll be on and off (mostly off) the computer tonight and tomorrow.

[Atak Kat]

I need to get a mountain bike. :cry

[wickerman777]

The question is can my Cross bike handle China camp (ie full rigid with thin knobbies) or should I grab my hoopty mountain bike?

[MrCrash]

The question is can my Cross bike handle China camp (ie full rigid with thin knobbies) or should I grab my hoopty mountain bike?

I've chased a cross bike on the downhill part of frontside loop we normally do. Seems totally doable.

I need to get a mountain bike. :cry

I may have something for ya. I'll find out soon and let ya know.

[MrCrash]

Joel, I've got a bike for ya. Do you have shoes with Shimano SPD cleats, or do you need flats?

[fawndog]

The question is can my Cross bike handle China camp (ie full rigid with thin knobbies) or should I grab my hoopty mountain bike?

I ran mine, but your cross tires would leave me worried, my rims took some good rock hits.

[MrCrash]

Interested in going again, Sonny? Anyone else?

How does China Camp at 9 AM Friday morning sound?

[Baptistro]

Count me in. China Camp, 9:00 a.m.

Jer, let me know if you want to go.

Sonny, let me know if you want to carpool or meet there.

Depending on what you guys want to do, we can either meet Jer at the WO BART, or pick him up on the way.

[MrCrash]

Excellent. I've attached a satellite map of the location below. You can also put the following coordinates into Google Maps:

38.009182,-122.494597

Getting there is easy enough - it's the San Pedro Road exit off of 101, just north of Central San Rafael. The exit is right around where the highway crests the hill. Once you exit, keep heading east - parking is on the edge of San Pedro Road, just past the Kiosk / access road to the campgrounds on the right.

In other multisport news, Lisa and I just got back from the San Jose 10K Turkey Trot. I did a 55:00, averaging 8:43 miles with a 181 average heart rate. Lisa handed me my ass once again, crossing the line almost 5 minutes ahead of me.

Hope everyone is having a good Thanksgiving!

[Baptistro]

Thanks for taking us out there Mike. I'll definitely be going back. :thumbup

[MrCrash]

I know mountain biking is the rage right now, but I wanted to bring this back for a moment due to a PM a recently received.

Looks like we have me, Lisa, John (Bap), Jeremy (wickerman), Steph (kubiks), and Dan (dan071 - he PMed me). Should we try and take the next step with the clinic? Roxy and Sonny, did you two want in also?

Napa is gonna be here before we know it - I wanna be ready!

[Baptistro]

I know mountain biking is the rage right now, but I wanted to bring this back for a moment due to a PM a recently received.

Looks like we have me, Lisa, John (Bap), Jeremy (wickerman), Steph (kubiks), and Dan (dan071 - he PMed me). Should we try and take the next step with the clinic? Roxy and Sonny, did you two want in also?

Napa is gonna be here before we know it - I wanna be ready!

Let me know when and I'll try to set it up. I'll contact my guy and find out about his availability.

***Update***

McConnell is out of the country until the beginning of the year. We'll figure out a date and I will post it. We'll also do a pre registration so we can lock him in. He's much cheaper than most, and he is traveling in from Oregon to do this. Let's get some solid commitments, get some money together, and do it.

[wickerman777]

You can count my girlfriend Yumi in on the clinic as well Mike and John. Whats the time frame on this thing.

[Baptistro]

sometime in January from the looks of it

[Atak Kat]

Pulled the trigger yesterday and signed up for Wildflower and Vineman (both 70.3).

Also entered the lottery for the Escape from Alcatraz tri.

Will most likely sign up for Big Kahuna later next year (and when I have some $ saved up again after the holidays).

Damn, this sport is expensive.

-ak-

[MrCrash]

I'm looking at the Wildflower Long Course and either Pacific Crest (OR) or SOMA (AZ) for a flatter half. The Napa Marathon and the Downieville Downhill are my other two big events.

The way I see it, all my entry fees for next year combined don't cost as much as an average roadracing weekend. Somehow, that makes it seem acceptable...

:)

[Baptistro]

OK guys, let's get the running workshop together. Please sound off if you can commit to the class. We'll schedule it for late January so that we can use the techniques to train for a good two months before XTERRA.

BTW, anyone have a good suggestion for fairly inexpensive but quality tri wetsuits?

Jeremy
Yumi
Mike
Lisa
John
Roxy?
Sonny?

[MrCrash]

OK guys, let's get the running workshop together. Please sound off if you can commit to the class. We'll schedule it for late January so that we can use the techniques to train for a good two months before XTERRA.

BTW, anyone have a good suggestion for fairly inexpensive but quality tri wetsuits?

Lisa and I are both in. If you want to collect deposits (via PayPal or otherwise), lemme know.

[Baptistro]

Lisa and I are both in. If you want to collect deposits (via PayPal or otherwise), lemme know.

Sounds good, I'll keep you posted. Who else where we talking about last time? I know we had at least 6 locked in.

Jeremy
Yumi
Mike
Lisa
John
Joel
Roxy?
Sonny?

And what would you guys pay for a BARF Multisport Racing Jersey? I was thinking about using these guys :teeth

http://www.customsublimation.com/index.asp?btnSubmit=CustomDesign#

or these guys:

http://www.pactimo.com/Tech&Desi/size-chart.htm

I might be able to actually get us some sponsors to offset the cost :)

[wickerman777]

Sounds good, I'll keep you posted. Who else where we talking about last time? I know we had at least 6 locked in.

Jeremy
Yumi
Mike
Lisa
John
Joel
Roxy?
Sonny?

And what would you guys pay for a BARF Multisport Racing Jersey? I was thinking about using these guys :teeth

http://www.customsublimation.com/index.asp?btnSubmit=CustomDesign#

or these guys:

http://www.pactimo.com/Tech&Desi/size-chart.htm

I might be able to actually get us some sponsors to offset the cost :)

Yumi and I are still a go for this and I'm sure we'd be willing to cough up for the Jersey as well.

If anyone is interested Yumi and I have scheduled a number of 5k and possibly 10k marathons that will be happening in the city over the coming months. Maybe 1 or 2 tri/duathlons (I can't swin correctly so it's run bike run for me) as well. We are still new top this and are slowly gonna work our way up to a half and a full marathon by the end of this year, beggining of next year. Maybe sooner if we feel up to it.

I will post up at least a week in advance which, when, and where the events will be taking place (none till feb). Most of the events we have picked are split 10k and 5k runs.

Cheers, Jer

[zx6roxy]

TBFracing has 3 duathlons 2mi run/12mi mtn bike/2mi run I was thinking of doing prior to the xterra in March. There's 3 races to the series. One in January, and two in February 3 weeks apart.

[Baptistro]

TBF duathlons on 02/02, 02/23, and 03/15

The dates being thrown around right now for the Chi Running Workshop are 02/02, 09, and 10

We've got 6 for sure, the price for 5-9 people will be $65 per head, 10+ gets us in at $50 per person (the usual rate is $115 per person) four more signups would be nice

Sonny? Roxy? Steph? Dan?

Mike, you might want to look into the Lake Merrit Joggers & Striders (LMJS) club. Len, the club president is who trained me for my marathon. Monthly events/races. I am also a member.

http://www.lmjs.org/

[zx6roxy]

TBF duathlons on 02/02, 02/23, and 03/15

The dates being thrown around right now for the Chi Running Workshop are 02/02, 09, and 10

We've got 6 for sure, the price for 5-9 people will be $65 per head, 10+ gets us in at $50 per person (the usual rate is $115 per person) four more signups would be nice

Sonny? Roxy? Steph? Dan?

Mike, you might want to look into the Lake Merrit Joggers & Striders (LMJS) club. Len, the club president is who trained me for my marathon. Monthly events/races. I am also a member.

http://www.lmjs.org/

I think you listed the duathlons for the kid's races.

Duathlons 1/20, 2/3, 2/24

MTB Challenges 2/3, 2/24, and 3/16

Chi running? Hmm....I'm not sure yet. I'll check with Sonny too.

Here's an SF running club http://www.dserunners.com/

[Baptistro]

I think you listed the duathlons for the kid's races.

Duathlons 1/20, 2/3, 2/24

MTB Challenges 2/3, 2/24, and 3/16

Chi running? Hmm....I'm not sure yet. I'll check with Sonny too.

Here's an SF running club http://www.dserunners.com/

The three race series duathlons are run concurrently with the kids' races, the little boxes on the right tell what events are held. The dates of the events are separated by color, but it's kinda hard to see. The MTB Challenges are strictly bike races.

Jan 5 New Years Duathlon (FREE!)

Jan 19. TBF MTB Family Day

Jan 20. MTB Kick Start: Mountain Bike Racing

Feb. 2 Chanoko Mountain Bike Duathlon #1
+ Chanoko Trail Run #1
+ Chanoko Kids Duathlon
+ Chanoko Kids Short Course Jr. Duathlon
+ Kids Trail Run

Feb. 3 MTB Challenge #1

Feb. 23 Chanoko Mountain Bike Duathlon #2
+ Chanoko Trail Run #2
+ Chanoko Kids Duathlon
+ Chanoko Kids Short Course Jr. Duathlon
+ Kids Trail Run

Feb. 24 MTB Challenge #2

Mar. 15 Chanoko Mountain Bike Duathlon #3
+ Chanoko Trail Run #3
+ Chanoko Kids Duathlon
+ Chanoko Kids Short Course Jr. Duathlon
+ Kids Trail Run

Mar. 16 MTB Challenge #3

Mar. 29 Super Sprint MTB Triathlon

March 30 XTERRA REAL MTB Triathlon - Part of the 2008 XTERRA America Tour :banana

[wickerman777]

:ride Lets do them all:thumbup

In Feb at least

[Ducky_Fresh]

In.

[Ducky_Fresh]

I looked around Bap. Just do a Google search. You'll find some sites with closeouts, but weird sizes left.

Ironman brand is what I'm looking for.

[zx6roxy]

Jan 19. TBF MTB Family Day

Family Day offers the following:
10 am – 12 pm Skills and drills courses with TBF Coaches
10 am – 3 pm TBF mountain bike race course open for practice



Jan 20. MTB Kick Start: Mountain Bike Racing

Feb. 2 Chanoko Mountain Bike Duathlon #1

Feb. 3 MTB Challenge #1

Feb. 23 Chanoko Mountain Bike Duathlon #2

Feb. 24 MTB Challenge #2

Mar. 15 Chanoko Mountain Bike Duathlon #3

Mar. 16 MTB Challenge #3

Mar. 29 Super Sprint MTB Triathlon

March 30 XTERRA REAL MTB Triathlon - Part of the 2008 XTERRA America Tour :banana

That's quite a schedule:laughing

:ride Lets do them all:thumbup

In Feb at least

:wow

The web links are fuxored -- if you click on the 1st duathlon listed under 1/20...the even date is actually on 2/2 :loco

Oh, and if you're looking for wetsuits, you can RENT them from Sportsbasement;), if you don't wish to buy one right away.

[sv2007]

Where's a good (and cheap if possible) indoor pool in the bay area? Would like to try swimming and see if I still remember how to.

[Baptistro]

Family Day offers the following:
10 am – 12 pm Skills and drills courses with TBF Coaches
10 am – 3 pm TBF mountain bike race course open for practice


I may be down for that. I'm off that day and I may even bring Tracy :thumbup

Where's a good (and cheap if possible) indoor pool in the bay area? Would like to try swimming and see if I still remember how to.

I swim at my 24 hr fitness at Bayfair Mall in San Leandro/San Lorenzo, there's never anyone there.

[Seesm]

I know it is a OLD long post...
But I have my own Triathlon deal at my home sometimes... Mini's on SM, DT, MX and off-road all while drinking a little beer... Ohh wait that would be 6 a thon?

[Ducky_Fresh]

Gym pools are gross.. I want to swim lakes and reservoirs to practice.

[zx6roxy]

I swim at my 24 hr fitness at Bayfair Mall in San Leandro/San Lorenzo, there's never anyone there.

Really??! I have yet to find a 24Hr pool that isn't crowded...

How often are you swimming?

[bicyclemech1]

Everett, Uvas and Shadowcliffs resevoirs are the closest open water to you that I can thinks of.
Roxy,
I have a couple great pools right next to my house. I can swim clinic for the group whenever you want.

[Baptistro]

Everett, Uvas and Shadowcliffs resevoirs are the closest open water to you that I can thinks of.
Roxy,
I have a couple great pools right next to my house. I can swim clinic for the group whenever you want.

I'm down for that. What I really need is someone to give me some set workouts to transition from not having swum competitively in many years, ramping up to peak in three months.

[bicyclemech1]

They have a good masters team. Get in the pool with them

[Ducky_Fresh]

Can you elaborate more Greg? I'm not familiar with the location or a "masters" team.

[wannabe]

Can you elaborate more Greg? I'm not familiar with the location or a "masters" team.



http://calbears.berkeley.edu/insidepage.aspx?uid=29d1fb0a-4217-4794-af0f-781e7e363503


The 'masters' team is a term used for a post-collegiate competitive swimming team.


By the way, Ev. Since you're still in the South Bay, I highly recommend that you check into joining up with the folks in the Silicon Valley Tri Club: http://svtriclub.org/ They're having an open-house on January 14th. They're a great group, and they give away free schwag every meeting. The year I trained with them, I got a couple free pair for Rudy Project sun glasses.

But, I think that the main advantage of joining them is getting free swim coaching at the Santa Clara Swim center. http://www.santaclaraswimclub.org/ That's a great pool where you get anywhere from tools like me who can barely swim 50 meters to Olympic medalist swimmers.

[Atak Kat]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think there's a difference between a masters team versus a masters swim.

My gym has masters swim classes, but it's not at all competitive. It's a an hour long swim program where a swim coach puts up swim drills of various distances. We may start of with a 400' warmup (freestyle), a 1500-2000' main set (pull, kick, freestyle), and then a cool down. Everyone goes at their own pace and it's no big deal if you can't finish all the drills in the hour. I'll continue working on the drills even after the class has finished.

Any level swimmer can participate and it's a great way to get some tips from a swim coach.

-ak-

[Baptistro]

Really??! I have yet to find a 24Hr pool that isn't crowded...

How often are you swimming?

I'm heading out for a swim now since the weather sucks balls. The plan is to swim 3 or more times per week.

[zx6roxy]

I'm heading out for a swim now since the weather sucks balls. The plan is to swim 3 or more times per week.

I won't be able to swim til my shoulder heals. I still can't raise my left arm or extend it in front of me without a lot of pain at the shoulder blade.

I can ride, but the weather sucks @$$ right now. Running would be my only option at this point.

I think its time I "unfreeze" my membership with 24Hr fitness and start going to the gym again...BOO!!

[Ducky_Fresh]

Aris, I'm there!

3 times a week John? You're hardcore! I'm trying this: run m/w, cycle t/th, soccer fri's, whatever on Sat's, Swim Sundays..

Problem is, I am looking for a wetsuit and need to find a good location in the south bay that isn't too far that I can just go jump in and start swimming. But that tri club might help immensely.

What do you guys think of this type of suit?

http://www.nytro.com/Ironman_Blue_Seventy_Reaction_Men_Tri_LJ_Wetsuit_p/rlj.htm

How critical is it to have your arms covered?

[Ducky_Fresh]

I won't be able to swim til my shoulder heals. I still can't raise my left arm or extend it in front of me without a lot of pain at the shoulder blade.

I can ride, but the weather sucks @$$ right now. Running would be my only option at this point.

I think its time I "unfreeze" my membership with 24Hr fitness and start going to the gym again...BOO!!

I plan on avoiding the gym at all costs. Spin classes are the only thing that really appeal to me. Though I think I could benefit from some yoga classes. My hamstrings and other ligaments and tendons always feel so tight.

[elaineo]

Here's a shameless plug for a local sprint event that's coming up... :D

The Stanford tri team is hosting its annual "Treeathlon" on March 2, in Redwood city. The swim is a short 500m out-and-back in the bay, and the 20k bike and 5k run are really flat and easy.

It's the main fundraiser for the stanford tri team, and is open to everyone. I am not allowed to race in it because I have to help run the thing, but I think it would be cool if some BARF people showed up. :) It's a pretty fun and easy course, good for first-time triathletes.

More info and registration here: http://triathlon.stanford.edu/treeathlon

[Ducky_Fresh]

That's the same day as the napa marathon.

[billswim]

Finally...some swim talk. geez enough about the bikes already:x The pacific masters is a great swimming organization with a pretty good website that lists "places to swim" you'll need to join PMS (giggle) $25/year I think, but its worth it for the newsletter and magazine. Pacificmasters.org I think. EV, one needs to train in a pool. Without a clock and known distances to swim one can't tell if one is improving. Swimming is the only discipline in a tri where you are out of your element. I suggest devoting at least 1/3 of one's training there. The cardio benefits are better than both running or biking and the injuries occur less often.

What a great swim I had today in the rain!

[Ducky_Fresh]

I'm going to check out the silicon valley tri open house. See what the deal is. Sounds like it could offer a solid pool to use.

[elaineo]

That's the same day as the napa marathon.

you won't be able to wear your swanky new wetsuit in the napa marathon :p
(get one with arms, it's not that much more $ and will keep you from freezing to death in cold water. it's supposed to grab the water better too, but i don't know cuz i've never tried a wetsuit without arms)

[Baptistro]

Finally...some swim talk. geez enough about the bikes already:x The pacific masters is a great swimming organization with a pretty good website that lists "places to swim" you'll need to join PMS (giggle) $25/year I think, but its worth it for the newsletter and magazine. Pacificmasters.org I think. EV, one needs to train in a pool. Without a clock and known distances to swim one can't tell if one is improving. Swimming is the only discipline in a tri where you are out of your element. I suggest devoting at least 1/3 of one's training there. The cardio benefits are better than both running or biking and the injuries occur less often.

What a great swim I had today in the rain!

Bill, I need some swim workouts. Hook a brother up. My workout on Saturday:

400 m freestyle warm up.

5X200 (100 m thumbs, 50 m catch-ups, 50 m free)

200 m cool down

My shoulders, triceps and traps were killing me yesterday, better today, planning on swimming tomorrow. I need help.

Should I start doing timed 100's?

I was thinking of doing this tomorrow:

400 warmup

4x100 drills (50 thumbs 50 catch-ups per 100)

8x100 (2:30 min per 100, or 20 mins)

200 cooldown

[billswim]

you won't be able to wear your swanky new wetsuit in the napa marathon :p
(get one with arms, it's not that much more $ and will keep you from freezing to death in cold water. it's supposed to grab the water better too, but i don't know cuz i've never tried a wetsuit without arms)

Wet suits really, really, really hamper your ability to swim. Unless you really suck at swimming, suck it up and practice before resorting to a wet suit. And freezing to death in cold water, :hand please...I've done alcatraz in 47 degrees on newyears day w/out a wet suit. Its 99% in your head.

Bill, I need some swim workouts. Hook a brother up. My workout on Saturday:

My shoulders, triceps and traps were killing me yesterday, better today, planning on swimming tomorrow. I need help.

Should I start doing timed 100's?



I need to see you swim before I can make any valid recommendations. The one thing I can say for sure is don't do too many repeats with poor form. All you do is reinforce poor form on your muscle memory. I've got tons of drills to mix in with a workout. Wanna try to get together this weekend at a pool?

LMK

[elaineo]

Wet suits really, really, really hamper your ability to swim. Unless you really suck at swimming,
a wetsuit is no substitute for good form, but this statement is just false.
:hand please...I've done alcatraz in 47 degrees on newyears day w/out a wet suit. Its 99% in your head.

okay, you win, you have bigger balls than me. hooray.

[zx6roxy]

I've done Alcatraz in 55 degrees with a wetsuit...someday I'll do it without:)

[billswim]

a wetsuit is no substitute for good form, but this statement is just false.

okay, you win, you have bigger balls than me. hooray.

Ya know, I think I probably know a significant amount more about swimming than you do so I stand by my statement and repeat it. Wetsuits hinder your ability to swim well. They are a crutch for people to use who won't put in the time to learn how to swim better.

After the balls comment I thought long and hard about how to come back indignantly and such but decided you're not worth it. Welcome to my ignore list. I should have done it long ago when you were spouting crap about two strokes.

If anybody wants swim advice they can just choose who to ask...

[elaineo]

Welcome to my ignore list.

what's with the hostility? i wasn't trying to be mean. well, here's a public apology that everyone but you can see :b

[Kensaku]

After the balls comment I thought long and hard about how to come back indignantly and such but decided you're not worth it. Welcome to my ignore list. I should have done it long ago when you were spouting crap about two strokes.


Wow, have you heard of sarcasm? Probably not, it's a new invention of the 21st Century.

[Ducky_Fresh]

Oh jeez. Now now kids.

http://swimming.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=swimming&cdn=sports&tm=7&f=00&tt=2&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi%3Fdb%3DPubMed%26cmd%3DRetrieve%26list_u ids%3D7791590%26dopt%3DAbstract

Bill, which would you get:

Ironman Energie full suit for $250.

or

05 Ironman Wetsuits
VO2 Stealth Full Suit - $265

[MrCrash]

We've had a pretty good thread going here with plenty of great plans and ideas for 2008. As with anything else, disagreements and debate are expected - I hope everyone can do their part by keeping things both positive and respectful :)

[Atak Kat]

Oh jeez. Now now kids.

http://swimming.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=swimming&cdn=sports&tm=7&f=00&tt=2&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi%3Fdb%3DPubMed%26cmd%3DRetrieve%26list_u ids%3D7791590%26dopt%3DAbstract


It is concluded that the wet suit effect improves performance more in inefficient swimmers with low buoyancy, swimming at low speeds
Yup. That's me! :laughing

-ak-

[Atak Kat]

How critical is it to have your arms covered?

It's a personal preference.
Some prefer sleeveless so the range of motion in their stroke isn't limited and still benefit from the additional buoyancy and temperature 'protection' of a wetsuit.

And yeah, I pee in my wetsuit. Instant warmth! :teeth

-ak-

[zx6roxy]

Wetsuits hinder your ability to swim well. They are a crutch for people to use who won't put in the time to learn how to swim better.

+1

Swimming with a wetsuit is sorta cheating. You're naturally buoyant without much effort, and if one chooses to, they can get "lazy" with their technique and still get by on the swim.

Perhaps only novice or unskilled swimmers get more of a boost from the suits than topnotch swimmers, who have already streamlined themselves and have optimised their movements by upgrading the skill of their strokes and kicks.

[Atak Kat]

+1

Swimming with a wetsuit is sorta cheating.

If I have to bike 56 miles and then run 13 after a 1.2 mile swim, then yeah, I'm a cheater. :twofinger

-ak-

[wannabe]

+1

Swimming with a wetsuit is sorta cheating. You're naturally buoyant without much effort, and if one chooses to, they can get "lazy" with their technique and still get by on the swim.



The way I look at it, swimming with a wetsuit is no different than riding with an aero bike. They both help, and they're both allowed.

[MrCrash]

Oh jeez. Now now kids.

http://swimming.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=swimming&cdn=sports&tm=7&f=00&tt=2&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi%3Fdb%3DPubMed%26cmd%3DRetrieve%26list_u ids%3D7791590%26dopt%3DAbstract

Everett's article was pretty neat. Swimmers were 1.5 seconds slower on a 400 using a wetsuit, while triathletes were 19 seconds faster? Seems to agree with everything said here so far.

Looks like Napa is out for me. According to my training schedule, I should be peaking in my mileage right now. Instead, I'm coming off of a couple of different colds I picked up, struggling at a slower pace on my "easy" runs. I think I'll be using a half marathon to prepare for the SOMA Half Ironman later this year, and hopefully using Napa next year to prepare for Coeur d'Alene (if I get a slot).

If I have to bike 56 miles and then run 13 after a 1.2 mile swim, then yeah, I'm a cheater. :twofinger

If I didn't cheat, I'd sink :) You're doing the Wildflower Long Course this year, right? Interested in attending a training weekend with GGTC so you can pre-run the course?

[Atak Kat]

You're doing the Wildflower Long Course this year, right? Interested in attending a training weekend with GGTC so you can pre-run the course?

Yup. PM sent.

-ak-

[Ducky_Fresh]

Everett's article was pretty neat. Swimmers were 1.5 seconds slower on a 400 using a wetsuit, while triathletes were 19 seconds faster? Seems to agree with everything said here so far.

Looks like Napa is out for me. According to my training schedule, I should be peaking in my mileage right now. Instead, I'm coming off of a couple of different colds I picked up, struggling at a slower pace on my "easy" runs. I think I'll be using a half marathon to prepare for the SOMA Half Ironman later this year, and hopefully using Napa next year to prepare for Coeur d'Alene (if I get a slot).



If I didn't cheat, I'd sink :) You're doing the Wildflower Long Course this year, right? Interested in attending a training weekend with GGTC so you can pre-run the course?

Fuck, my training regimen is totally behind where it probably should be. But I'm still going to give it my best..

[wannabe]

Fuck, my training regimen is totally behind where it probably should be. But I'm still going to give it my best..



This is gonna be pimp. I can't wait to start seeing some friendly SV Tri Club vs. GG Tri Club ribbing. :teeth

[MrCrash]

Fuck, my training regimen is totally behind where it probably should be. But I'm still going to give it my best..

I was considering doing that, but a 6 hour marathon where I end up walking multiple times wouldn't do anything for my confidence or fitness.

For November / December, I tried to stick to the following schedule:

Mon: Rest
Tues: Easy Run (4-5 miles)
Wed: Swim
Thurs: Run Intervals @ Piedmont
Fri: Swim
Sat / Sun: Long run (7-8 miles) / MTB ride

Towards the end of December, I realized I had just over two months instead of three, so I made a mileage-based training program based on the Marathon for Slackers guide and the runnersworld.com site. I attempted to ramp up to 11 miles, exceeding the "10% increase per week" rule while also recovering from a light cold. Didn't go so well, and my health plummeted from whatever cold / flu bug has been going around.

It's been a few weeks, and I'm still not 100%. I'll be happy focusing on Wildflower in the meantime - Xterra and a possible downhill mountain bike race in February should be lots of fun too :)

[wannabe]

I was considering doing that, but a 6 hour marathon where I end up walking multiple times wouldn't do anything for my confidence or fitness.



I'm a bit behind myself for the Rock & Roll in San Diego. (June 1st) I figure that if I'm gonna be slow, I might as well have some fun with it. I decided to buy a little lycra Elvis jumpsuit and be a Running Elvis.

http://www.rnrmarathon.com/features/runningelvi.html

Anyone wanna join me? :teeth

[Baptistro]

I was considering doing that, but a 6 hour marathon where I end up walking multiple times wouldn't do anything for my confidence or fitness.

For November / December, I tried to stick to the following schedule:

Mon: Rest
Tues: Easy Run (4-5 miles)
Wed: Swim
Thurs: Run Intervals @ Piedmont
Fri: Swim
Sat / Sun: Long run (7-8 miles) / MTB ride

Towards the end of December, I realized I had just over two months instead of three, so I made a mileage-based training program based on the Marathon for Slackers guide and the runnersworld.com site. I attempted to ramp up to 11 miles, exceeding the "10% increase per week" rule while also recovering from a light cold. Didn't go so well, and my health plummeted from whatever cold / flu bug has been going around.

It's been a few weeks, and I'm still not 100%. I'll be happy focusing on Wildflower in the meantime - Xterra and a possible downhill mountain bike race in February should be lots of fun too :)

Mike, you gotta do your long runs as a slow easy run, don't worry about time, don't worry too much about HR, just finish the distance. They're more for acclimating your body to running for longer periods of time and longer distances than anything else. You should not feel completely worn out after your long runs. I you feel you could go a few more miles after you reach your distance, you're perfectly fine.

[wannabe]

I still think that speed work at the track is the fastest way to hurt yourself. I flat refuse to do it now. I think you can get the same results from hill repeats, tempo runs, or fartleks.

[MrCrash]

Mike, you gotta do your long runs as a slow easy run, don't worry about time, don't worry too much about HR, just finish the distance. They're more for acclimating your body to running for longer periods of time and longer distances than anything else. You should not feel completely worn out after your long runs. If you feel you could go a few more miles after you reach your distance, you're perfectly fine.

Good advice though, I'll do my best keep it in mind next time I do a longer run.

After that long run, my calves were in terrible shape - I was pretty much going at a brisk walking pace the whole time, and had to stop twice to stretch them out. Whatever cold / flu bug is going around has left me feeling pretty flat - that 11 miler hurt.

Right now, my body is saying "rest" when my program is saying "step it up", and I've got to go by what my body says.

I still think that speed work at the track is the fastest way to hurt yourself. I flat refuse to do it now. I think you can get the same results from hill repeats, tempo runs, or fartleks.

No argument there. My schedule is why I go to the track - I'm off work at 7, and the track I go to is lit til 9 with a synthetic surface. I've been trying to incorporate aspects of the Yasso 800 workout into my program, running intervals at a mellow pace to prepare my body for my target marathon pace.

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-244-255-624-0,00.html

[Ducky_Fresh]

Interesting theory.

Might have to use it. :D

[Baptistro]

I need to see you swim before I can make any valid recommendations. The one thing I can say for sure is don't do too many repeats with poor form. All you do is reinforce poor form on your muscle memory. I've got tons of drills to mix in with a workout. Wanna try to get together this weekend at a pool?

LMK

I can do Saturday, no go on Sunday. I'll call you Bill.


Mon: Rest
Tues: Easy Run (4-5 miles)
Wed: Swim
Thurs: Run Intervals @ Piedmont
Fri: Swim
Sat / Sun: Long run (7-8 miles) / MTB ride


I run at Piedmont High as well Mike, that is where the workshop would take place also. If you want a running partner, I'd be happy to run with you at PHS.

[Baptistro]

ChiRunning workshop thread:

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3641651#post3641651

[Ducky_Fresh]

Dude, I want to meet up at a pool this weekend and get some pointers! I have a Gold's gym membership. What does that get me? :D

[billswim]

Dude, I want to meet up at a pool this weekend and get some pointers! I have a Gold's gym membership. What does that get me? :D
Bap and I are gonna swim around noon around here. Oakland. PM me for details and what you're looking to get out of a session. I think a golds gym membership gets you a sticker?:twofinger

[zx6roxy]

I wish I could swim --- probably be a while before my shoulder heals.

[Ducky_Fresh]

I just do spin classes at Golds. I don't really like being cooped up in a gym..

[MrCrash]

I wish I could swim --- probably be a while before my shoulder heals.

I just swam at the San Ramon Swim Center last night. Open til 8:30, over 20 lanes, and $2 less than the El Cerrito pool I normally go to (which is also really nice)!

Dude, I want to meet up at a pool this weekend and get some pointers! :D

If you can make it out for a session with Bill, I'm 100% confident it'll be more than worth your while. I was getting swim help from a few different triathlon coaches when I was training for my Wildflower two years ago, my first ever tri. I think I learned more in my first session with Bill than I have during all of my other supervised / coached swim sessions combined!

He observed my stroke from multiple angles, pointed out the deficiencies he saw, and prescribed drills that would address those deficiencies, with very detailed explanations as to how they would help. For me, as a very new swimmer, the difference was both dramatic and immediate.

[Baptistro]

Mikey, can you get a hold of Steph (Kubiks) and see if she is still interested in the ChiRunning clinic? How about you Ev?

[MrCrash]

Mikey, can you get a hold of Steph (Kubiks) and see if she is still interested in the ChiRunning clinic? How about you Ev?

Just passed the msg on. One of Lisa's co-workers might be interested too - I'll let ya know what everyone says.

[Baptistro]

sounds good. The more the merrier. My friend Chuck is coming, actually you know him from college.

[MrCrash]

sounds good. The more the merrier. My friend Chuck is coming, actually you know him from college.

That's not James "Chuck" Cheung, is it?

[Baptistro]

yup, he's running the Orlando marathon this Sunday, and he's trying to staying marathon shape this year and do 2-3 more, but he's been dealing with an achilles injury that will not go away. He's hoping ChiRunning will help with that.

[wannabe]

yup, he's running the Orlando marathon this Sunday, and he's trying to staying marathon shape this year and do 2-3 more, but he's been dealing with an achilles injury that will not go away. He's hoping ChiRunning will help with that.



Unfortunately, rest is the only thing that's going to make that problem go away.

[Ducky_Fresh]

I am a no-go unfortunately. Sorry.

[mikev]

I was interested until I pulled an intercostal muscle in my ribcage from coughing :(

I felt a pop while I was having a coughing fit and thought I broke/cracked a rib. It felt like I imagine being stabbed would feel like. Anyway, lidocaine patches and prescription meds = no running.

Sigh.

[yama-emma]

I was interested until I pulled an intercostal muscle in my ribcage from coughing :(

OMG I'm sorry :| That happened to me 2 years ago. It was so freaking painful. At one point I sneezed while waiting at a traffic light and it was so sore I instinctively shouted out a series of my foulest words. Then I turned to the right to see a school bus full of open mouthed children staring at me. :wow
I can imagine the teacher inside starting an explanation of tourette syndrome :laughing

Hope it heals up soon.

[mikev]

OMG I'm sorry :| That happened to me 2 years ago. It was so freaking painful. At one point I sneezed while waiting at a traffic light and it was