Girl rider new to the forums + gear questions (pic heavy)

[oneirix]

Hi!

I'm brand new to both motorcycling and this forum (actually, I don't even have a motorcycle quite yet, but I'm working on it :)), and I just wanted to say hi to everyone and ask a little bit about the gear I've (currently) got my heart set on.

So a little about me first... I'm a 17-year-old female senior in high school, and had always loved motorcycles because of my brother, but never seriously considered getting one until prodding from my boyfriend (neros131 on this forum). I have a lot of pretty specific questions because not only am I girl, but I'm also 5'0" and weigh 103 pounds, so the possible starter bikes for me are rather limited, as is properly-fitting gear.

The first bike I am considering is an Aprilia rs50 with an 80cc big bore kit that's being sold at a local dealership up in Sonoma. My boyfriend and I plan on splitting it so then we both have something nice and small to start on and we can both get on the road faster (check out neros131's post for more info. I haven't actually read his yet but I assume it has more info about the bike). It gets about 12-15bhp (it's hard to tell since it's modified) and it's kind of tall for me, but quite honestly I can't even flatfoot an ninja 250 so I figured I'd have to learn a different way of holding up a bike sooner or later.

So here's the gear I was considering. Any, and I do mean any, comments or suggestions would be great here. All of my ideas are theoretical, so hearing from the experienced is going to be way more valuable to me than hypothetical preferences.

The helmet I plan to get is the Suomy Extreme with the Cathedral (Fabrizio) graphic. I wear an extra small for AGV helmets, but I have yet to try this one on... I read reviews of various Arai, Shoei, Suomy, AGV and Shark helmets, and since they all sounded almost identical performance-wise I just went for the helmet I thought was prettiest. I like several ECE-approved helmets, but this is literally the only DOT-approved one I could find that I didn't consider hideous or uninteresting.

http://www.superbikeitalia.com/products/thumb_110200762518pm.jpg

I also like the AGV Stealth with the St. George graphic and the Shark S650 with the black Subtil graphic, but they are only ECE-approved, and shipping them here would make them almost as expensive as the Suomy Extreme. Here are pictures anyway.

http://www.seastarsuperbikes.co.uk/AGV/BLUE%20ST%20GEORGE.jpg

http://www.helmets4u.co.uk/images/HE2165EDBH1.jpg

I've heard the Extreme is very light and very, very noisy, the AGV is practically the same, and the Shark is comfortable and quiet. Honestly though I'm going to be wearing ear plugs so noise doesn't seem like it would be much of an issue... any thoughts? The way the helmet law in California is dictated I can literally write DOT on the back of the ECE helmets and get away with wearing them, so I'm not worried much about that. I was curious about how the Extreme, Stealth and S650 stack up to you guys though.

Also my head is more of a round shape since I'm half Asian, and I haven't tried on too many different kinds yet. Are there any brands that I should check out in particular?

For the jacket I wanted to get the Dainese Lola 2 Vintage. It comes with pockets to put armor in the shoulders, back and elbows, but doesn't come with any pads initially. I plan on buying the Dainese Wave G1 back protector, but am at a loss for what to get for the shoulders and arms.

http://www.flandro.com/attachments/producto_980_0.jpg

For gloves I wanted to go with the Alpinestars Stella GP Plus; kind of pricey, but I don't think that I'll be buying gloves constantly so I'd rather buy a pair that's safer and more expensive. Sorry about the color-changing picture, I couldn't find any decently-sized ones other than this one.. personally I'd get them in black or white/grey and be done with it.

http://www.jsaccessories.co.uk/Picts/Stock_190400000001.gif

As far as boots I'm torn between the Sidi B-2 (for some reason I'm in love with them in red.. I can't really explain it) and the Alpinestars Stella SMX-4 in silver. I'm leaning pretty heavily towards the Sidi's though.

http://www.kneedraggers.com/image_storage/2/44/24477ca932c7508278c8e588632796d5_rough.jpg

http://www.womenmotorcycleapparel.com/stella-SMX-4-SILVER.jpg

For pants I'm thinking of the Dainese Ladies Delta Pelle leather pants, but I'm worried that they're a little too extreme. I do intend to track in the future, but as of now I haven't even taken the MSF course so I'm apprehensive at the idea of being labeled a squid. :nerd Maybe I should buy something cheaper?

http://www.rakuten.ne.jp/gold/seed/newrakuten/rakutentokusyuu/0313dainese/l_pants/images/pants_main01.jpg

Sorry about the Japanese. There are also the Dainese Ladies Mekong Pelle pants, which are identical to these but without the sliders, although they're only $30 cheaper.

So that's the gist of my gear selection so far! Are they too extreme or expensive for a new rider? I want to be safe, but I'm afraid of taking it too far and ending up looking like a wannabe racer when I can't even knee drag. Let me know what you think, and thank you!

[959Lover]

GOLD!

how YOU doin? :leghump

You'll read many people argue both sides that flatfooting is either a MUST or a nonissue. I would say that after time, you'd get accustomed to not needing to flatfoot because afterall, how much time do you seriously just STAND?

Welcome!

[fms1day]

:newbie
Welcome! And it's great seeing how you're very interested in your gear. :thumbup Protection is crucial! You might want to start out on a Ninja 250, I hear you can shave the seat to make it lower.. There's other things you can do to make the ride height shorter as well so I believe it'll be a great place to start.

[awgeezdawn]

Welcome! :teeth

[CnDnMax]

I'd say make a run for it before the leg humping starts.
Nevermind, its already started... if ya can't beat em join em :thumbup

How you doin? :leghump

[Dandelion]

:newbie Don't be afraid to jump into the men's gear if you don't find what you're looking for in the women's, although based upon your size I think the women's stuff will work. You can get zip together pants and jackets, so be thinking about that as you're shopping. Some zippers go all the way around others just the back. Glove liners work great for colder temperatures. F.Y.I . some motorcycle insurance carriers cover all your extras & gear if they are lost/stolen/crashed others don't. Have fun shopping :)

[oneirix]

You'll read many people argue both sides that flatfooting is either a MUST or a nonissue. I would say that after time, you'd get accustomed to not needing to flatfoot because afterall, how much time do you seriously just STAND?


That's a good point about the flatfooting thing. I figured it can't be that big of a deal, but at the same time I'm a little worried about tipping over at a stoplight. x_x I guess I'll just have to buff up.

You might want to start out on a Ninja 250, I hear you can shave the seat to make it lower.. There's other things you can do to make the ride height shorter as well so I believe it'll be a great place to start.

Thanks for the ideas! I'm definitely getting the rs50 though.. it's kind of tall, but I figured I'd have to learn to get used to larger things anyway if I ever want to progress beyond the 250cc range.

Don't be afraid to jump into the men's gear if you don't find what you're looking for in the women's, although based upon your size I think the women's stuff will work. You can get zip together pants and jackets, so be thinking about that as you're shopping. Some zippers go all the way around others just the back.

Thanks for the ideas! Although for men's gear I'm too small to fit into anything properly. I actually had a question about the zip together stuff. I know it's safer, but for street riding is it necessary? I figured for when I start doing track things I could either buy a jacket that zips or a suit since the pants I want have the zipper attachment, but for just street riding I can't find a jacket I like that will attach to the pants. Does it matter a great deal?


Thanks for all help everyone! I appreciate it. :)

[half breed]

Hi!

I'm brand new to both motorcycling and this forum (actually, I don't even have a motorcycle quite yet, but I'm working on it :)), and I just wanted to say hi to everyone and ask a little bit about the gear I've (currently) got my heart set on.

So a little about me first... I'm a 17-year-old female senior in high school, and had always loved motorcycles because of my brother, but never seriously considered getting one until prodding from my boyfriend (neros131 on this forum). I have a lot of pretty specific questions because not only am I girl, but I'm also 5'0" and weigh 103 pounds, so the possible starter bikes for me are rather limited, as is properly-fitting gear.

The first bike I am considering is an Aprilia rs50 with an 80cc big bore kit that's being sold at a local dealership up in Sonoma. My boyfriend and I plan on splitting it so then we both have something nice and small to start on and we can both get on the road faster (check out neros131's post for more info. I haven't actually read his yet but I assume it has more info about the bike). It gets about 12-15bhp (it's hard to tell since it's modified) and it's kind of tall for me, but quite honestly I can't even flatfoot an ninja 250 so I figured I'd have to learn a different way of holding up a bike sooner or later.

So here's the gear I was considering. Any, and I do mean any, comments or suggestions would be great here. All of my ideas are theoretical, so hearing from the experienced is going to be way more valuable to me than hypothetical preferences.

The helmet I plan to get is the Suomy Extreme with the Cathedral (Fabrizio) graphic. I wear an extra small for AGV helmets, but I have yet to try this one on... I read reviews of various Arai, Shoei, Suomy, AGV and Shark helmets, and since they all sounded almost identical performance-wise I just went for the helmet I thought was prettiest. I like several ECE-approved helmets, but this is literally the only DOT-approved one I could find that I didn't consider hideous or uninteresting.

http://www.superbikeitalia.com/products/thumb_110200762518pm.jpg

I also like the AGV Stealth with the St. George graphic and the Shark S650 with the black Subtil graphic, but they are only ECE-approved, and shipping them here would make them almost as expensive as the Suomy Extreme. Here are pictures anyway.

http://www.seastarsuperbikes.co.uk/AGV/BLUE%20ST%20GEORGE.jpg

http://www.helmets4u.co.uk/images/HE2165EDBH1.jpg

I've heard the Extreme is very light and very, very noisy, the AGV is practically the same, and the Shark is comfortable and quiet. Honestly though I'm going to be wearing ear plugs so noise doesn't seem like it would be much of an issue... any thoughts? The way the helmet law in California is dictated I can literally write DOT on the back of the ECE helmets and get away with wearing them, so I'm not worried much about that. I was curious about how the Extreme, Stealth and S650 stack up to you guys though.

Also my head is more of a round shape since I'm half Asian, and I haven't tried on too many different kinds yet. Are there any brands that I should check out in particular?

For the jacket I wanted to get the Dainese Lola 2 Vintage. It comes with pockets to put armor in the shoulders, back and elbows, but doesn't come with any pads initially. I plan on buying the Dainese Wave G1 back protector, but am at a loss for what to get for the shoulders and arms.



For gloves I wanted to go with the Alpinestars Stella GP Plus; kind of pricey, but I don't think that I'll be buying gloves constantly so I'd rather buy a pair that's safer and more expensive. Sorry about the color-changing picture, I couldn't find any decently-sized ones other than this one.. personally I'd get them in black or white/grey and be done with it.

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As far as boots I'm torn between the Sidi B-2 (for some reason I'm in love with them in red.. I can't really explain it) and the Alpinestars Stella SMX-4 in silver. I'm leaning pretty heavily towards the Sidi's though.




For pants I'm thinking of the Dainese Ladies Delta Pelle leather pants, but I'm worried that they're a little too extreme. I do intend to track in the future, but as of now I haven't even taken the MSF course so I'm apprehensive at the idea of being labeled a squid. :nerd Maybe I should buy something cheaper?

[IMG]http://www.rakuten.ne.jp/gold/seed/newrakuten/rakutentokusyuu/
Sorry about the Japanese. There are also the Dainese Ladies Mekong Pelle pants, which are identical to these but without the sliders, although they're only $30 cheaper.

So that's the gist of my gear selection so far! Are they too extreme or expensive for a new rider? I want to be safe, but I'm afraid of taking it too far and ending up looking like a wannabe racer when I can't even knee drag. Let me know what you think, and thank you!

Wow ! ..... sounds like your pretty serious . I think you'll be much happier
with a ninja 250 than a 50cc . As for the ride height , just cut the seat & you'll be fine . Im also half asian & wear a shoei RF1000 .... Im not sure about the round head thing :nerd

As far as gear .... its all good . If your ready to throw down for all the nice stuff , you'll be totally set , not to mention hot . :teeth.... safety first right ?
Good t'know another hapa on barf !

cheers:welcome

[ntula]

when do you turn 18?

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:welcome

[Butch]

I have not read any of the replys etc...

Get the RS 50. I rode one on calaveras, very cool little bike, and great learning tool. I might think they have resale value just cause of that. You won't hurt youself, you'll have fun, all will be good with the world. I'll buy it when you are done.

Tons of folks here that can help you...

Ride on!!!

[SirFonners]

yeah protective gear is good and all, but the important question
is how yooou dooin? :leghump :cool

[Fallgirl]

Started on a Ninja 250. Great starter bike for sure, and if you dont crash it bad, you can re-sell it no problem and make a little profit if ya get it for a good deal. Now is the time to find good deals by the way. You WILL out grow that bike quick. But thats OK! The more bikes ya ride the better. OH, and dont go to a dealership! Craigslist is great!
I also suggest full body suit or a jacket and pants that zipp together. The full body suit is pretty sexy though. So when you crash like I did, your jacket wont come up and expose your hip and road rash it. Have fun!!!!:thumbup

[YanaBanana]

:newbie

You can lower the 250 easily by shaving the seat and/or getting the dogbone link (~$75).

The gear looks great, but be sure to try it on in person before buying - many sizes run differently in diff. brands... I'd take the MSF course and go from there. ;)

Good luck in all! :)
Yana:banana

[s-girl]

:newbie
Welcome! And it's great seeing how you're very interested in your gear. :thumbup Protection is crucial! You might want to start out on a Ninja 250, I hear you can shave the seat to make it lower.. There's other things you can do to make the ride height shorter as well so I believe it'll be a great place to start.

+ 1 on all.

Also, you are doing great on the gear. As far as the pants go, how well do you like your ass? Your knees? If you are happy with both, those are great pants. Who gives a shit whether someone wants to call you a squid. Take the pucks off if you want, you won't need them for awhile (and more likely never on the street) but since you are getting all proper gear for the rest of your bod, you may as well take care of your legs and ass as well!

Or, you could look like this:

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And Dainese makes great gear.. One thing though, you might reconsider the jacket... that is not a motorcycle jacket really (despite the pockets for armor), it is more a part of Dainese fashion gear line. While you could throw some armor in, you might be better off finding one that specifically designed for riding and has the armor built in. Armor even under a jacket can twist and end up somewhere other than where you need it. Also look for a jacket that zips to those pants.

[Vane]

even WITH gear you can still bruise hard, like this!

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2139/owmyassqy7.jpg

thats me!

[Dandelion]

I actually had a question about the zip together stuff. I know it's safer, but for street riding is it necessary? I figured for when I start doing track things I could either buy a jacket that zips or a suit since the pants I want have the zipper attachment, but for just street riding I can't find a jacket I like that will attach to the pants. Does it matter a great deal?

There are no rules except for the helmet. You can get on your bike wearing a helmet a bikini and flip flops. However, other riders are more likely to think you're a squid if you are wearing less gear rather than more gear. I started out with a textile armoured jacket, jeans, lightweight fabric gloves and hiking boots (minimum MSF stuff). Now I ride in full gear and have plans to add more. Yes it can get expensive but Mailee I'm sure your life is worth it. :)

[SirFonners]

There are no rules except for the helmet. You can get on your bike wearing a helmet a bikini and flip flops. However, other riders are more likely to think you're a squid if you are wearing less gear rather than more gear. I started out with a textile armoured jacket, jeans, lightweight fabric gloves and hiking boots (minimum MSF stuff). Now I ride in full gear and have plans to add more. Yes it can get expensive but Mailee I'm sure your life is worth it. :)

:wow you're inspiration to my 650 life

[slower than...]

Pardon my ignorance, but doesn't the RS50 have a two stroke engine? Is that going to be street legal? The dealer may be selling it as a track bike only. You should confirm this as you may not be able to register it with DMV for plates and so forth. I could be totally wrong here, but better to find out now.

If the RS50 is not street legal, then I would agree with all of the other posts recommending the Ninja 250. Get a used one so it won't bother you so much should you drop it. I hear it is a great beginner's bike, and easy to turn around and sell it when you are ready to move up.

[Aluisious]

The new 250 looks totally hawt :thumbup

[SuperSixFour]

Pardon my ignorance, but doesn't the RS50 have a two stroke engine? Is that going to be street legal? The dealer may be selling it as a track bike only. You should confirm this as you may not be able to register it with DMV for plates and so forth. I could be totally wrong here, but better to find out now.

If the RS50 is not street legal, then I would agree with all of the other posts recommending the Ninja 250. Get a used one so it won't bother you so much should you drop it. I hear it is a great beginner's bike, and easy to turn around and sell it when you are ready to move up.

The RS50 is less then 50ccs (originally) so it was street legal when first imported. From what I understand they're awesome little bikes- you have to treat every stop like the beginning of a GP races you have to get up through the gears so quickly!


Towards some of oneirix's questions: though I work at an online retailer I'd strongly suggest trying on any helmet you plan on purchasing. Even different lines in the same brand can fit way different and it sucks to finish up a ride with a pounding headache! That said AGV & Suomy are my brands of choice :thumbup

If you want to see good one-foot technique for short people check out Jason Disalvo at the beginning of a superbike race! They guy is tiny and might be the only guy one footing it at the start.

I'd also get a jacket and pants that zip together right from the start. It's definitely safer and you'll feel more secure. You don't need to go as far as a 2pc suit, but if you stick with the same brand you'll be able to fit them together easily.

The Sidi boots are a couple steps up from the AStars and the price probably reflects that. Both are good brands though!


Welcome to BARF! :Party And don't mind the stampede of leghumpers- they mean well and are pretty nice people. :teeth

[Dandelion]

:wow you're inspiration to my 650 life

Then hand over the rep points :teeth

[Roadstergal]

However, other riders are more likely to think you're a squid if you are wearing less gear rather than more gear.

Screw what other riders think. :p I'd care more about how it's going to feel if you crash, even a little. I was T-boned by a car in full gear, and walked away.

Re: RS50 - A two-stroke street bike is picky and peaky. I had a big-bore (all of 75ccs) Aprilia RS50, and it was fun and light, but I wouldn't call it a good starter bike. Especially since it was struggling to go 60 with an upgraded carb and that bore. California freeways are not good places for bikes that are that speed-limited.

I always recommend a used GS500E (the naked flavor) as a good starter bike, both for riding and wrenching.

And no, flat-footing is utterly not necessary. Tip the bike slightly to the left and have your left foot flat on the ground and your right foot on the right peg.

(FWIW, that's the opinion of a 5'1" woman.)

I have used gear for sale. I did a closet cleanout earlier this year and had a 'holy snot, I never wear this' moment. Give me a PM if you're interested.

[KooLaid]

My sister's first bike and what she learned to ride on from scratch was a SV650s. We shaved a couple inches off the seat and she could tip toe around with both feet. It apparently was a GREAT bike for her and crash tough. She low sided in a corner into some gravel and ended up jumping off somehow, clipping her foot on the windscreen but landing feet first. All that broke was the windscreen and the stock signal helped keep the body off the ground.

In the learning process she'd drop that dang thing all over the place. Damn though, there'd be all sorts of GUYS running over to help, sheesh, guys lol. Once she even had an entire fire department (former air force base) trucks and all come out to help her when she dropped her ride within their view when first learning. Then they just hung out to watch lol.

As for bikini top riding, looks GREAT till that person crashes. Then there's nothing to cover with a bikini top anymore afterwards. The thought of having your t!ts ground off by asphalt till it's flat is rather gruesome, good bye nipples. Maybe there'd be sparks from the nipple piercings lol.

[Dandelion]

Screw what other riders think. :p I'd care more about how it's going to feel if you crash, even a little. I was T-boned by a car in full gear, and walked away.

I completely agree but sometimes 17 year olds are more concerned with looking cool than what is safe, so I'm trying to reason with both sides of her brain. :)

[Roadstergal]

I see your point. :laughing

[oneirix]

From what I understand they're awesome little bikes- you have to treat every stop like the beginning of a GP races you have to get up through the gears so quickly!

If you want to see good one-foot technique for short people check out Jason Disalvo at the beginning of a superbike race! They guy is tiny and might be the only guy one footing it at the start.

I'd also get a jacket and pants that zip together right from the start. It's definitely safer and you'll feel more secure. You don't need to go as far as a 2pc suit, but if you stick with the same brand you'll be able to fit them together easily.

Yeah, I figured since the 50cc is a two-stroke it's going to be a bit snappy, but I don't really mind that. It may sound a little funny coming from someone who has never ridden before, but I think I'll be able to handle it, and honestly I think I will have more fun with it. And if it takes a little longer or is a little harder to learn, then so be it. :) It's the only Aprilia I'll ever really be able to touch, and I'm in love with them.

Thanks for the info about Disalvo! I'll definitely check him out. :D

I want to get a jacket that zips, but I can't find any that I like very well...with pants that go so high, do I really need one? And I was thinking that for road riding I don't necessarily need it and as I start getting more daring I'd upgrade to something more protective. Is that a safe idea? And by the way, the Sidi boots are only $20 more than the Alpinestars. :) Thanks for all your input!

Re: RS50 - A two-stroke street bike is picky and peaky. I had a big-bore (all of 75ccs) Aprilia RS50, and it was fun and light, but I wouldn't call it a good starter bike. Especially since it was struggling to go 60 with an upgraded carb and that bore. California freeways are not good places for bikes that are that speed-limited.

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And no, flat-footing is utterly not necessary. Tip the bike slightly to the left and have your left foot flat on the ground and your right foot on the right peg.

(FWIW, that's the opinion of a 5'1" woman.)

I have used gear for sale. I did a closet cleanout earlier this year and had a 'holy snot, I never wear this' moment. Give me a PM if you're interested.

Honestly I don't plan to go on freeways with the rs50, and I know that it's probably not considered an ideal starting bike, but it is the bike I'm getting, dumb idea or otherwise. =P I really don't want to start on anything larger than a 250, and (my apologies to all owners/lovers) I'm really not a fan of Ninjas. :X Thank you for the info though; it's nice to know what I'm going to have to expect for my stubbornness. :laughing Oh and also thank you for the tips on holding up the bike and the offer for the used gear! I'll be sure to let you know. :)

I completely agree but sometimes 17 year olds are more concerned with looking cool than what is safe, so I'm trying to reason with both sides of her brain. :)

Haha, ouch! =P I'd like to think that while I'm interested in style I'm slightly more interested in my skin..

[oneirix]

I have not read any of the replys etc...

Get the RS 50. I rode one on calaveras, very cool little bike, and great learning tool. I might think they have resale value just cause of that. You won't hurt youself, you'll have fun, all will be good with the world. I'll buy it when you are done.
Hehe I'm glad there's someone who doesn't think the rs50 is a bad idea. :) I hope that after I've upgraded to a bigger bike I can start on the track with the rs50, but if you're still interested and my boyfriend and I want to sell (provided we don't total it), I'll be sure to let you know!

I also suggest full body suit or a jacket and pants that zipp together. The full body suit is pretty sexy though. So when you crash like I did, your jacket wont come up and expose your hip and road rash it.

I love the one piece suits! But they're so expensive... also how much does it really matter to have them zip together? I'm really short so the jackets I've tried on don't move up that much when I lean forward..

+ 1 on all.

Also, you are doing great on the gear. As far as the pants go, how well do you like your ass? Your knees? If you are happy with both, those are great pants. Who gives a shit whether someone wants to call you a squid. Take the pucks off if you want, you won't need them for awhile (and more likely never on the street) but since you are getting all proper gear for the rest of your bod, you may as well take care of your legs and ass as well!

Or, you could look like this:

234091

And Dainese makes great gear.. One thing though, you might reconsider the jacket... that is not a motorcycle jacket really (despite the pockets for armor), it is more a part of Dainese fashion gear line. While you could throw some armor in, you might be better off finding one that specifically designed for riding and has the armor built in. Armor even under a jacket can twist and end up somewhere other than where you need it. Also look for a jacket that zips to those pants.

Agh! o_O I'm glad I'm making the right choice as far as gear goes then! But what exactly is wrong with the jacket? Besides the fact that it doesn't zip to pants, it seems to be about the same as any other jacket I could potentially buy (excluding ones that have the armor built in). Do you have any suggestions as far as Dainese jackets go? The only ones I could find had pockets for armor and I couldn't find any that would attach to the pants.

[oneirix]

Wow ! ..... sounds like your pretty serious . I think you'll be much happier
with a ninja 250 than a 50cc . As for the ride height , just cut the seat & you'll be fine . Im also half asian & wear a shoei RF1000 .... Im not sure about the round head thing :nerd

As far as gear .... its all good . If your ready to throw down for all the nice stuff , you'll be totally set , not to mention hot . :teeth.... safety first right ?
Good t'know another hapa on barf !

cheers:welcome

Haha nice! Glad to know I'm not the only one. =3 As for the 50cc, while it has a smaller displacement engine, it has more of the aggressive riding experience that I'm looking to get into. I'll be sure to check out Shoeis too. =) Thanks!

when do you turn 18?

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:welcome

Hahaha, er, why? :nerd

[Vane]

They're being leghumpers :p

Thats what barf is full of, get used to it!

[paladinnorcal]

Excellent gear choices. Interesting bike. As long as you don't plan on a lot of freeway riding it should be a blast to ride around on secondary roads and up in the twisties. I love the look of the bike, looks like a GP racer.

Ride safe ::ride

[DiScoTeknix]

:newbie
Does your boyfriend's name happen to be Soren? Tell him to start hanging out with the Bimmerforums crew again. We never see him at any meets anymore.;)

Also the RS50 might be a little slow in traffic even for a starter bike. And I'd be afraid to drop an Aprilia, regardless of engine size.:rofl Consider the Ninja 250 or 500 as part of your choices too.

[Rootsy05]

:newbie
Does your boyfriend's name happen to be Soren? Tell him to start hanging out with the Bimmerforums crew again. We never see him at any meets anymore.;)

Also the RS50 might be a little slow in traffic even for a starter bike. And I'd be afraid to drop an Aprilia, regardless of engine size.:rofl Consider the Ninja 250 or 500 as part of your choices too.

Yea I think I agree. My pocket bike has 6hp and only does 25mph...I can't imagine a 15hp bike going that much faster considering it would be much heavier than my pocket bike.

[CHICKenstrip]

:thumbup :welcome

Sounds like you've got a lot of good thought going into the gear purchases. I would suggest getting the regular "Lola" Dainese jacket, not the vintage but the one with the armor already with it. I purchase mine at Scuderia in SF, and when a snap broke, they replaced it. The first replacement item they got, though, was the vintage model, and the staff there told me over the phone it was inferior compared to the model I'd originally purchased, and they didn't recommend switching at that point. I stuck to my guns, and they wound up shipping the original jacket from Italy. If you can, go to Scuderia, talk to Amy...she'll help you with any apparel predicaments!

[Neros131]

:newbie
Does your boyfriend's name happen to be Soren? Tell him to start hanging out with the Bimmerforums crew again. We never see him at any meets anymore.;)

Also the RS50 might be a little slow in traffic even for a starter bike. And I'd be afraid to drop an Aprilia, regardless of engine size.:rofl Consider the Ninja 250 or 500 as part of your choices too.

HEY! What is up? I haven't been to any BimmerForums meets lately because I moved to Santa Rosa :twofinger. How are things going?

[Pleco94588]

Nice to see you are taking the saftey thing seriously. Get everything when it comes to protection. Get gear that fits correctly and a bike that you are comfortable on. Also if looking at a used bike, tires and brakes are very important. Also I recomend taking a class on a track. Having confidence in what your bike can do and what you can do is crucial to riding within your limits as well as how to handle situations that keeps you on two wheels. Take care. :ride

[DiScoTeknix]

HEY! What is up? I haven't been to any BimmerForums meets lately because I moved to Santa Rosa :twofinger. How are things going?
The usual. A few old faces and some new drama amongst the Norcal crew.:rofl

Glad to see you and the lady are going to start riding. Hurry up so we can go ride.

[Neros131]

The usual. A few old faces and some new drama amongst the Norcal crew.:rofl

Glad to see you and the lady are going to start riding. Hurry up so we can go ride.

Definitely! You will get a PM from me either here or on BF.c the second that we bikes and gear! I look forward to riding with you.

Do you ride with anyone here on BARF?

[FemmeLaMoto]

Nice to see another female soon to be entering into the riding world. Just some helpful facts:

With all that gear, you're looking to be spending over $2000 just to scuff them up. I would start off with some Frank Thomas, something reasonably priced, but still offers you good protection. Even Alpinestar. I have that Dianse jacked and it comes with no liner or padding, you have to get that separate. The Stella boots are good to start off with, get Sidi when you're ready for track. As for gloves, some SP2s are perfect for every type of riding and will last you a long while.

As for a starting bike, for someone who is 5'0", start on a Ninja 250, it has all the power you need as a begining rider. Learn the basics and take MSF or a CHP certified riding course! It will teach you what you need to get started and it will help out with insurance! :thumbup

As for an Aprilia RS50 Bore and stroked out to an 80, that would only be for your boyfriend if he rides track. Unless you buy an already street legal one, you can't convert them to be street legal in California b/c of the fact that they are 2-strokes. And since they're 2-strokes, they aren't the best bikes to start off on compared to 4-strokes. Also, keep in mind maintenence will suck on a 2-stoke. You have to rebuild the engine every 20 hours of straight riding which will cost you buttload since it is a European bike. and aftermarket parts will be 10x as more since the bike is rare.

But good luck with everything, just keep it all in perspective. :thumbup

[Rootsy05]

Definitely! You will get a PM from me either here or on BF.c the second that we bikes and gear! I look forward to riding with you.

Do you ride with anyone here on BARF?

What kind of Beemer's do you guys have? I have an e46 330ci and have gone to a few e46fanatics meets.....not nearly as fun as BARF rides:twofinger

[DiScoTeknix]

What kind of Beemer's do you guys have? I have an e46 330ci and have gone to a few e46fanatics meets.....not nearly as fun as BARF rides:twofinger
I believe Soren has a Z3 and E21. I have an E36.:D We used to do a lot of bimmerforums meets since those usually included some HWY9 action but haven't in a long time.

You should join bimmerforums. The Norcal crew is pretty cool. The one E46fan meet I attended recently consisted of walking around the parking lot and checking out everyone's angel eyes.:rofl

[Rootsy05]

I believe Soren has a Z3 and E21. I have an E36.:D We used to do a lot of bimmerforums meets since those usually included some HWY9 action but haven't in a long time.

You should join bimmerforums. The Norcal crew is pretty cool. The one E46fan meet I attended recently consisted of walking around the parking lot and checking out everyone's angel eyes.:rofl

Yeah...haha and no one really talks to anyone else. I'm kinda out of the car scene for right now. I used to be pretty into it and did about 6-7 mods to my car but for the past year I just don't care anymore. Maybe the bug will bite me again later on and I'll get back in.

Who do you normally ride with?

Here's my car with the bike:
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222785

[Neros131]

Yea I think I agree. My pocket bike has 6hp and only does 25mph...I can't imagine a 15hp bike going that much faster considering it would be much heavier than my pocket bike.

I am pretty sure the gearing is way different, a friend at the dealer said that it hit 75 with him on it, and he is about my size. I am not too worried about it being that slow, especially because I want something that small so I don't end up splattered...

Nice to see another female soon to be entering into the riding world. Just some helpful facts:

With all that gear, you're looking to be spending over $2000 just to scuff them up. I would start off with some Frank Thomas, something reasonably priced, but still offers you good protection. Even Alpinestar. I have that Dianse jacked and it comes with no liner or padding, you have to get that separate. The Stella boots are good to start off with, get Sidi when you're ready for track. As for gloves, some SP2s are perfect for every type of riding and will last you a long while.

As for a starting bike, for someone who is 5'0", start on a Ninja 250, it has all the power you need as a begining rider. Learn the basics and take MSF or a CHP certified riding course! It will teach you what you need to get started and it will help out with insurance! :thumbup

As for an Aprilia RS50 Bore and stroked out to an 80, that would only be for your boyfriend if he rides track. Unless you buy an already street legal one, you can't convert them to be street legal in California b/c of the fact that they are 2-strokes. And since they're 2-strokes, they aren't the best bikes to start off on compared to 4-strokes. Also, keep in mind maintenence will suck on a 2-stoke. You have to rebuild the engine every 20 hours of straight riding which will cost you buttload since it is a European bike. and aftermarket parts will be 10x as more since the bike is rare.

But good luck with everything, just keep it all in perspective. :thumbup

The bike is registered as under 50cc, so it is legal on the road. The stroke and bore kit were added after the bike was determined legal, so it can be ridden on the street fine. :ride

The maintenance on the RS50 isn't too terrible, adn the parts are actually quite cheap. It needs a new piston every 3-5,000 miles, depending on riding style. I don't think that it will be too much trouble. :)

Yeah...haha and no one really talks to anyone else. I'm kinda out of the car scene for right now. I used to be pretty into it and did about 6-7 mods to my car but for the past year I just don't care anymore. Maybe the bug will bite me again later on and I'll get back in.

Who do you normally ride with?

Here's my car with the bike:
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222785

Yeah, I have an E36/7 1996 Z3 (The one Bond drove in Goldeneye!!) and an oldschool E21 1982 320i. I got out of the car meets mostly because I got tired of talking to young kids with ridiculous cars. You can only see so many 16 year olds with E36 M3's before you get sick (and jealous). :rolleyes


I am pumped to get into riding! We should set up a couple of rides! :)

[Rootsy05]

I am pumped to get into riding! We should set up a couple of rides! :)
I go weekly...you just gotta get a bike!!!
Are you leaning toward the aprilia or ninja?

[Neros131]

I go weekly...you just gotta get a bike!!!
Are you leaning toward the aprilia or ninja?

The Aprilia, easily. My main problem with the Ninja is the fact that its an ugly bike that I woudn't want to own. The Aprilia is beautiful, even if it is underpowered. I wouldn't mind running it around some every once in a while at all, and I don't think selling it will be an issue. Where do you usually ride? Where abouts do you live?

[oneirix]

They're being leghumpers :p

Thats what barf is full of, get used to it!

Hahaha I'm starting to. XD At least it's light-hearted; the last time I ventured on a forum it was a British airsoft one, and this one guy accused me of pretending to be a girl because I had mentioned having a wallet, and by his logic "only GUYS have wallets!" And then it turned into this online fight about whether I was a chick or not...

Long story short, I prefer harmless leg-humping to inane dithering about gender speculation. >_>

Excellent gear choices. Interesting bike. As long as you don't plan on a lot of freeway riding it should be a blast to ride around on secondary roads and up in the twisties. I love the look of the bike, looks like a GP racer.

Ride safe ::ride

Yay, another person who isn't telling me to get a ninja 250! :Party Yeah, I don't plan on freeway riding at all; it's unsafe, and although I could theoretically reach those speeds with the big bore kit, it's registered as a 50cc so it's illegal. There are a lot of secondary roads here with oddly high speed limits and nice twists, so I think I'll have fun, provided I'm not stupid. I'm glad you like the bike too! :D *is happy*

[oneirix]

Sounds like you've got a lot of good thought going into the gear purchases. I would suggest getting the regular "Lola" Dainese jacket, not the vintage but the one with the armor already with it. I purchase mine at Scuderia in SF, and when a snap broke, they replaced it. The first replacement item they got, though, was the vintage model, and the staff there told me over the phone it was inferior compared to the model I'd originally purchased, and they didn't recommend switching at that point. I stuck to my guns, and they wound up shipping the original jacket from Italy. If you can, go to Scuderia, talk to Amy...she'll help you with any apparel predicaments!

I love your name! :D And thank you very much for the suggestions. I actually plan to hit up Scuderia ASAP (probably this weekend), so I'll be sure to get all the information I can about the jackets and stuff. Thanks again! :)

:newbie
Does your boyfriend's name happen to be Soren? Tell him to start hanging out with the Bimmerforums crew again. We never see him at any meets anymore.;)

Also the RS50 might be a little slow in traffic even for a starter bike. And I'd be afraid to drop an Aprilia, regardless of engine size.:rofl Consider the Ninja 250 or 500 as part of your choices too.

Haha well you already got around to touching bases with Soren; he can only work on one obsession at a time, so for now it's motorcycles. :p

As for dropping the rs50, it's freaking beautiful, but since we plan on tracking it I expect the poor thing to get scuffed up. It's okay though; kind of adds character to a first bike, right? :)

[slower than...]

On one hand, the volume of responses so far, all suggesting the 250, is for good reason, that people with much more experience have seen this to be a successful approach.

At the same time, I also believe you need to follow your heart, because you will not be happy with anything else anyway. So go with your dream, and if that is the RS50, so be it. But perhaps someday, when the emotions have passed, and better judgement is gained through your increasing experience, you will see that much of what has been said was well founded.

But again, follow your heart and if it says RS50, then go right ahead, and I sincerely hope that your choice gives you wonderful and safe experiences.

[iPao]

My main problem with the Ninja is the fact that its an ugly bike that I woudn't want to own.

They finally changed the style of the Ninja 250r for 2008! Not bad...not bad at all... :teeth

[oneirix]

Nice to see you are taking the saftey thing seriously. Get everything when it comes to protection. Get gear that fits correctly and a bike that you are comfortable on. Also if looking at a used bike, tires and brakes are very important. Also I recomend taking a class on a track. Having confidence in what your bike can do and what you can do is crucial to riding within your limits as well as how to handle situations that keeps you on two wheels.

Thank you very much for the suggestions! I plan on taking the MSF, and before I track I want to take some classes. When it comes to something that can be so potentially dangerous and expensive, I'd rather have someone show me how to do it right first. :) Also thanks for the heads up on buying used bikes! I appreciate it.

With all that gear, you're looking to be spending over $2000 just to scuff them up. I would start off with some Frank Thomas, something reasonably priced, but still offers you good protection. Even Alpinestar. I have that Dianse jacked and it comes with no liner or padding, you have to get that separate. The Stella boots are good to start off with, get Sidi when you're ready for track. As for gloves, some SP2s are perfect for every type of riding and will last you a long while.

As for a starting bike, for someone who is 5'0", start on a Ninja 250, it has all the power you need as a begining rider. Learn the basics and take MSF or a CHP certified riding course! It will teach you what you need to get started and it will help out with insurance! :thumbup

As for an Aprilia RS50 Bore and stroked out to an 80, that would only be for your boyfriend if he rides track. Unless you buy an already street legal one, you can't convert them to be street legal in California b/c of the fact that they are 2-strokes. And since they're 2-strokes, they aren't the best bikes to start off on compared to 4-strokes. Also, keep in mind maintenence will suck on a 2-stoke. You have to rebuild the engine every 20 hours of straight riding which will cost you buttload since it is a European bike. and aftermarket parts will be 10x as more since the bike is rare.

But good luck with everything, just keep it all in perspective. :thumbup

I have to say, even though I have no experience, I would rather spend a lot of money on gear that I respect and admire than just a little bit of money on stuff that will do about the same job but with less satisfaction on my end. I don't mind scuffing up gear; I know that I'm going to fall one way or another, so I don't expect to be hugely upset if something gets a little messed up visually as long as it still works. Thank you for the suggestion though. :)

As for the ninja 250, I really don't want one. As cute as the new ones are and as typical as it is for new riders to get them, it's not what I'm looking for in a riding experience, and it's not something I particularly want to own. If the rs50 ends up somehow being something that I don't want, then sure I'll take the 250 for a test ride and see from there, but the first bike I'm getting is still the rs50.

Per the rs50 not being legal, it was bought when the Aprilia 50cc, 125cc and 250cc's were available on the US market, and is street legal. Technically with the 80cc big bore kit it's not, but honestly in the event of a crash bad enough for my insurance to open up the bike, they aren't going to measure the displacement of the engine. Also, the fact that it is two-stroke is the reason I'm so interested in it in the first place. :p I understand that they're harder to learn on theoretically, but I would rather start on something harder to gauge my preferences as opposed to something easier that I'm not attracted to. For the rs50 I do have to replace the pistons every 5,000 miles or so, but they're actually fairly inexpensive, and after market parts are sold at Scuderia for, at least what I can tell, regular prices. Thanks for the concern though, and I appreciate your input! :)

[fms1day]

I go weekly...you just gotta get a bike!!!
Are you leaning toward the aprilia or ninja?

That is such a lie.. You haven't been up to one of the usual rides in a few weeks Jeff. :mad

How much does the R50 go for?

[oneirix]

On one hand, the volume of responses so far, all suggesting the 250, is for good reason, that people with much more expereince have seen this to be a successful approach.

At the same time, I also believe you need to follow your heart, because you will not be happy with anything else anyway. So go with your dream, and if that is the RS50, so be it. But perhaps someday, when the emotions have passed, and better judgement is gained through your increasing experience, you will see that much of what has been said was well founded.

But again, follow your heart and if it says RS50, then go right ahead, and I sincerely hope that your choice gives you wonderful and safe experiences.

I understand that most of the responses concerning the 250 come from experience, and I also know that I'm getting the rs50. If it ends up being a ride that I don't like, I'll certainly consider the ninja.

Also I'd just like to point out that a large majority of people begin on the Aprilia rs50 in Europe due to the tiered licensing system, so I really find it difficult to believe that the ninja 250 is the only appropriate starter like it seems some people are saying.

I'll let you know how it goes. :)

They finally changed the style of the Ninja 250r for 2008! Not bad...not bad at all... :teeth

It's actually really cute, I agree! It's just not want I'm looking for performance-wise; but if it comes down to it and I end up wanting it, it's still pretty and cheap. :thumbup

[oneirix]

That is such a lie.. You haven't been up to one of the usual rides in a few weeks Jeff. :mad

How much does the R50 go for?

The lady is asking for $3700 for the rs50 (I think that's what you're asking? Let me know if I'm wrong :X), it's got 850 miles on it so it's a pretty fair price for a bike that rare in the US, but the guy at the dealership says we can probably whittle her down a couple hundred since no one's shown interest in it for over a year.

[Jello_Biafra]

but I don't think that I'll be buying gloves constantly

You will. I've averaged about 1 pair every 5 months while riding around 15,000 miles. Crashing accelerates that rate.

[Vane]

Also I'd just like to point out that a large majority of people begin on the Aprilia rs50 in Europe due to the tiered licensing system, so I really find it difficult to believe that the ninja 250 is the only appropriate starter like it seems some people are saying.

Most people fail to remember that back in the day, people would learn on very large or fast bikes [relatively], with drum brakes and crappy suspension.

However, the suggestion is to learn on something that will teach you a thing or two. If you're stuck pinning the throttle all the time just to get from A to B you may not learn this, or that, whatever...

:dunno

[fms1day]

The lady is asking for $3700 for the rs50 (I think that's what you're asking? Let me know if I'm wrong :X), it's got 850 miles on it so it's a pretty fair price for a bike that rare in the US, but the guy at the dealership says we can probably whittle her down a couple hundred since no one's shown interest in it for over a year.

Ohh haha.. I meant, how much MSRP... Aprilia's site doesn't like to show the pricing.. Unless I'm missing it somewhere!?

Are you and your boyfriend sharing this bike? Because if you guys are... Then you guys should get a bike that's 2up friendly, because you'll want to come ride with us BARFers... and well, having one of you go and the other stay home, will suck for you guys. :p

[oneirix]

You will. I've averaged about 1 pair every 5 months while riding around 15,000 miles. Crashing accelerates that rate.

Really? What do you do to your gloves?? I can't imagine general wear and tear making them inoperable after 15,000 miles...

Most people fail to remember that back in the day, people would learn on very large or fast bikes [relatively], with drum brakes and crappy suspension.

However, the suggestion is to learn on something that will teach you a thing or two. If you're stuck pinning the throttle all the time just to get from A to B you may not learn this, or that, whatever...

:dunno

I guess that makes sense? I'll just roll Euro-style for now. =P

Ohh haha.. I meant, how much MSRP... Aprilia's site doesn't like to show the pricing.. Unless I'm missing it somewhere!?

Are you and your boyfriend sharing this bike? Because if you guys are... Then you guys should get a bike that's 2up friendly, because you'll want to come ride with us BARFers... and well, having one of you go and the other stay home, will suck for you guys. :p

Oh yeah Aprilia's stupid site. =_= I get depressed whenever I see all the models, and then see the ones available to the US market. There are like 5 out of 20 or something ridiculous.

Used the rs50s go for about £1,150 for I think around 1,300 miles on it, more or less depending on the state of the bike. New they roll for about £2,000 if I'm not mistaken, so that's $4,000. I'm not sure why the lady is asking for so much. I guess just the mods and the low miles, and current rarity. Still, for a bike that I'm in love with, plus splitting the cost, I think it's fair(ish). :)

Yeah the funniest thing is the rs50 has a pillion! XD I was laughing when I saw it. I'm a little depressed at not being able to ride with him until one of us gets another bike, but I think I'd rather get the drift of riding before I show up to a meet, so the rs50 may be more prudent in that Soren and I won't ride up looking like idiots with no idea of what we're doing. :p Plus I don't think he can take having a 50cc for too long, so we should have another one near the tail-end of 2008, either his or mine. Hopefully sooner! :D

[Vane]

Roll euro style, just shave, wear deodorant, and remember dental hygiene.

for the sake of the children.

[Jello_Biafra]

Really? What do you do to your gloves?? I can't imagine general wear and tear making them inoperable after 15,000 miles...

That's why I'm telling you, because you couldn't imagine. ;)

I think the saying goes "live and learn". I'm trying to spare you the living part.

[fms1day]

You sound like you did a lot... and I mean A LOT of researching... That's very good for a new rider! Impressive to say the least. In both the topic of protection/gear and even bike choice. It also seems you guys are looking to upgrade before you guys get the first bike! :laughing Just remember, a safe rider is a rider who knows how to ride. It doesn't take advanced techniques to be a rider.... You just need to know what it takes to be safe... Sometimes being safe means learning techniques that are more advance... But once you know how to be safe on the road, the rest will come together.

[oneirix]

Roll euro style, just shave, wear deodorant, and remember dental hygiene.

for the sake of the children.

I'll do my best, but old habits die hard. :p

That's why I'm telling you, because you couldn't imagine. ;)

I think the saying goes "live and learn". I'm trying to spare you the living part.

I'll definitely keep that in mind. But I want a pair that has carbon fibre knuckles and kevlar and whatnot because I feel more secure about that... I know it sounds silly, but every time I fell off my bike or rollerblades or whatever nonsense I was on at the time, I always completely ruined my hands, so I think with a motorcycle that's something (among everything else, of course) that shouldn't be ignored or overlooked...

You sound like you did a lot... and I mean A LOT of researching... That's very good for a new rider! Impressive to say the least. In both the topic of protection/gear and even bike choice. It also seems you guys are looking to upgrade before you guys get the first bike! :laughing Just remember, a safe rider is a rider who knows how to ride. It doesn't take advanced techniques to be a rider.... You just need to know what it takes to be safe... Sometimes being safe means learning techniques that are more advance... But once you know how to be safe on the road, the rest will come together.

Haha Soren and I have been drooling over the prospect for a long time now... the lack of money is rather depressing. But we persevere! :laughing I'm glad we haven't been complete idiots about our choice of bikes/gear (and although there are people here who disagree, at least it's better than trying for an R6 right off the bat, right?). Safety naturally comes first, because as much as I love the idea of riding fast, I think I like the idea of NOT having road rash, NOT having broken anything and NOT having more metal in my body than my bike has. :p Plus I think I'm kind of a wimp at heart.. I'll do my best to stay alive. :)

[Jello_Biafra]

I'll definitely keep that in mind. But I want a pair that has carbon fibre knuckles and kevlar and whatnot because I feel more secure about that... I know it sounds silly, but every time I fell off my bike or rollerblades or whatever nonsense I was on at the time, I always completely ruined my hands, so I think with a motorcycle that's something (among everything else, of course) that shouldn't be ignored or overlooked...

Reading back it seems that I was unclear. I'm not advocating cheap gloves. Those things won't last. I'm advocating that you plan on buying expensive gloves more often than you previously did. :)

[oneirix]

Reading back it seems that I was unclear. I'm not advocating cheap gloves. Those things won't last. I'm advocating that you plan on buying expensive gloves more often than you previously did. :)

Oh. Damm!t. (we can't swear, right?) :p Thanks for the heads up then; at least I've been warned. >_<

[fms1day]

Haha Soren and I have been drooling over the prospect for a long time now... the lack of money is rather depressing. But we persevere! :laughing I'm glad we haven't been complete idiots about our choice of bikes/gear (and although there are people here who disagree, at least it's better than trying for an R6 right off the bat, right?). Safety naturally comes first, because as much as I love the idea of riding fast, I think I like the idea of NOT having road rash, NOT having broken anything and NOT having more metal in my body than my bike has. :p Plus I think I'm kind of a wimp at heart.. I'll do my best to stay alive. :)

:thumbup:thumbup There's never a wrong in taking things a step at a time... That way, you find out when you've reached your highest step and where you should stay for a while, before attempting to take another step... Live and learn... This method and a good mentality will keep you alive to ride longer... And to decide when you upgrade and when to ride spirited or not... But many try to hop a few steps, only to miss the step they're aiming for and never climb another step again... Life ends short and well, going back isn't really an option at that point anymore...

Motorcycling is really dangerous.. I tell myself this all the time.. I can be well prepared but as prepared as I may be, it takes one idiot on the phone, one drunk, or one bump in the road to end my riding career and/or life... That's why I've settled with the fact that, if I ever have a second thought in my head, or a hesistation, I follow it... Better to play it safe when I'm uncertain than to risk it... :rant (Sorry, I'm rambling now, aren't I?)

[oneirix]

:thumbup:thumbup There's never a wrong in taking things a step at a time... That way, you find out when you've reached your highest step and where you should stay for a while, before attempting to take another step... Live and learn... This method and a good mentality will keep you alive to ride longer... And to decide when you upgrade and when to ride spirited or not... But many try to hop a few steps, only to miss the step they're aiming for and never climb another step again... Life ends short and well, going back isn't really an option at that point anymore...

Motorcycling is really dangerous.. I tell myself this all the time.. I can be well prepared but as prepared as I may be, it takes one idiot on the phone, one drunk, or one bump in the road to end my riding career and/or life... That's why I've settled with the fact that, if I ever have a second thought in my head, or a hesistation, I follow it... Better to play it safe when I'm uncertain than to risk it... :rant (Sorry, I'm rambling now, aren't I?)

Nice extended metaphor! In poetry as a literary term a metaphor taken over several lines is called conceit (random fact, I'm not criticizing yours at all; In fact, I quite liked it :D I don't really know why they call it conceit...)

I'll definitely try to take things one step at a time. In fact, money restrictions will probably force me to. :p And your point about second thoughts and hesitating is well-received; I will remember that. Thank you. :)

[fms1day]

Nice extended metaphor! In poetry as a literary term a metaphor taken over several lines is called conceit (random fact, I'm not criticizing yours at all; In fact, I quite liked it :D I don't really know why they call it conceit...)

I'll definitely try to take things one step at a time. In fact, money restrictions will probably force me to. :p And your point about second thoughts and hesitating is well-received; I will remember that. Thank you. :)

Feel free to give me positive Rep for my words. :) (That little weighing-scale thingy under our avatars... :p)

[oneirix]

Feel free to give me positive Rep for my words. :) (That little weighing-scale thingy under our avatars... :p)

Haha, done! I should go do that for some other people too.. I didn't know there was a rating system. :p Thanks again!

[oneirix]

If I gave anyone negative rep I didn't mean to!! I think I might have messed it up. I'm sorry! It was supposed to be positive; I didn't negatively rep anyone's post. :X So if you got a rep point thing from me, it's SUPPOSED to be a good one! >_< Sorry again!!

[Rootsy05]

That is such a lie.. You haven't been up to one of the usual rides in a few weeks Jeff. :mad

How much does the R50 go for?

I told myself to stay away from your bad influences during the winter, but I just miss you so much Johnny:wave

From now on, as long as it's over 50 degrees and not wet, I'm there:thumbup

[Rootsy05]

The Aprilia, easily. My main problem with the Ninja is the fact that its an ugly bike that I woudn't want to own. The Aprilia is beautiful, even if it is underpowered. I wouldn't mind running it around some every once in a while at all, and I don't think selling it will be an issue. Where do you usually ride? Where abouts do you live?

I live in San Jose but moving to San Mateo within the month. I normally ride 9/35/Pescadero. I haven't been out in the past few weeks because of the cold weather but I can't shake the addiction for the curves so I'm going to start going again. When are you getting your bike?

[Rootsy05]

(and although there are people here who disagree, at least it's better than trying for an R6 right off the bat, right?)

Johnny, did you tell her about me:rofl

[Neros131]

I live in San Jose but moving to San Mateo within the month. I normally ride 9/35/Pescadero. I haven't been out in the past few weeks because of the cold weather but I can't shake the addiction for the curves so I'm going to start going again. When are you getting your bike?

Hopefully in either February or March. It seems so far away! :(

[Roadstergal]

I'll definitely keep that in mind. But I want a pair that has carbon fibre knuckles and kevlar and whatnot because I feel more secure about that...

The only gloves I've found so far that fit a small pair of hands and don't suck are the Racer High End (http://www.1000ps.at/onlineshop_racer/index_haendler.asp?lang=e&buy=1&sessionid=06122007959618553&member_id=310839&seite=shop&akt_sparte=Gloves&id=80). That's what I wear these days.

Lengthy review:
http://svrider.com/articles/oct05/glove_test.htm



FWIW, my RS50. I still think a GS500E is a better starter. Not because I think you need a 'big' engine, but because it's more tractable, less valuable, less rare, easier to work on, drops better, is easier to get parts for, and is more versatile on the street.

http://www.roadstergal.info/5_6_05/62.jpg

[Neros131]

The only gloves I've found so far that fit a small pair of hands and don't suck are the Racer High End (http://www.1000ps.at/onlineshop_racer/index_haendler.asp?lang=e&buy=1&sessionid=06122007959618553&member_id=310839&seite=shop&akt_sparte=Gloves&id=80). That's what I wear these days.

Lengthy review:
http://svrider.com/articles/oct05/glove_test.htm



FWIW, my RS50. I still think a GS500E is a better starter. Not because I think you need a 'big' engine, but because it's more tractable, less valuable, less rare, easier to work on, drops better, is easier to get parts for, and is more versatile on the street.

http://www.roadstergal.info/5_6_05/62.jpg

We have two cars, so versatility matters far less. This is going to be solely a bike to learn on and a bike to play on, nothing more. It might be used for commuting every once in a while, but mostly it will be an after work and weekend fun ride. Plus, I can not allow it to be lowered, that would be ridiculous for me. :)

[Roadstergal]

Plus, I can not allow it to be lowered, that would be ridiculous for me. :)

? If that is a concern, the Ninja 250 has a lower seat height (29.3") than the RS50 (31.9"). (Even the GS00E's is lower.)

Of course, it doesn't weigh sheeot.

[Vane]

when my fat ass on my new ninja passes you on that tiny bike, I'll be sure to give a proper barf salute :twofinger

I wish you two all the best, those lil fiddys seem like fun little things. Hope to see you guys out there flogging the lil machine :thumbup

[fms1day]

but I just miss you so much Johnny:wave
Dude... That's just scary.... :x

Let's go on Bisugo's Newbie Ride this Saturday!

[oneirix]

Johnny, did you tell her about me:rofl

XD wait, did you do that?? How did that go??

The only gloves I've found so far that fit a small pair of hands and don't suck are the Racer High End (http://www.1000ps.at/onlineshop_racer/index_haendler.asp?lang=e&buy=1&sessionid=06122007959618553&member_id=310839&seite=shop&akt_sparte=Gloves&id=80). That's what I wear these days.

Lengthy review:
http://svrider.com/articles/oct05/glove_test.htm



FWIW, my RS50. I still think a GS500E is a better starter. Not because I think you need a 'big' engine, but because it's more tractable, less valuable, less rare, easier to work on, drops better, is easier to get parts for, and is more versatile on the street.

http://www.roadstergal.info/5_6_05/62.jpg

Oh my god, you're my new favorite person! :D Those gloves sound amazing!! I'm definitely, definitely, definitely going to try and find them! Do you know if Scuderia or someone in the SF area sells them?:)

[CnDnMax]

...and this one guy accused me of pretending to be a girl because I had mentioned having a wallet, and by his logic "only GUYS have wallets!" And then it turned into this online fight about whether I was a chick or not...

you know pictures will solve the mystery :cool

p.s. hope you have a blast learning to ride :ride

[Rootsy05]

XD wait, did you do that?? How did that go??

Yeah, I started riding in August and picked up an '07 R6S as my first bike. It's definitely a bike that I can grow into in terms of riding it to its full capabilities.

[fms1day]

Yeah, I started riding in August and picked up an '07 R6S as my first bike. It's definitely a bike that I can grow into in terms of riding it to its full capabilities.

But riding beyond his capabilities are a different story.. :p I keeeed Jeff.

[Rootsy05]

But riding beyond his capabilities are a different story.. :p I keeeed Jeff.

Only when you pressure me to do wheelies

[Roadstergal]

Do you know if Scuderia or someone in the SF area sells them?:)

Motostrano used to. I remember, when I bought my first pair (from Ducati Seattle - it looks like they still sell them), that the fellow at the desk said that the only US distributor is a gal on Bainbridge Island (there are no official US distributors listed on their site). You might have to order them online.

Their sizing (women's) is very small. I've never worn anything other than an XS, and I wear a M in these gloves.

[s-girl]

I want to get a jacket that zips, but I can't find any that I like very well...with pants that go so high, do I really need one? And I was thinking that for road riding I don't necessarily need it ...

Just picture sliding on the asphault and having your jacket slide up your back - this is not an uncommon occurance and why the zip together is highly recommended for street as well as track. I wouldn't worry as much about full circumferance zip on the street, as slides won't be as fast, but still necessary...since you are being so wise about your gear.

A bonus is that in cooler weather, it is much more comfortable, not having the wind blowing up your back.


Haha, ouch! =P I'd like to think that while I'm interested in style I'm slightly more interested in my skin..
:thumbup

[Pleco94588]

Nice looking bike:thumbup
I'd get it, but sooner rather than later you will find that you want more. More power, more speed, and just more motorcycles!:ride

[OrangeDrink]

Oh my god, you're my new favorite person! :D Those gloves sound amazing!! I'm definitely, definitely, definitely going to try and find them! Do you know if Scuderia or someone in the SF area sells them?:)

I don't know if Scuderia has them, but I did just pick up a pair at Golden Gate Cycles. The pale green palms wouldn't match your bright red boots exactly, but my stars are they comfortable. From the bikes I've been sitting on recently, I would also recommend getting something completely roadworthy. Roadstergal has some great advice. If you just want a toy, I bet the 50 would be a blast.

[blackOnblack]

Only when you pressure me to do wheelies

or follow schteve and gi-gi. :rofl

[Rootsy05]

or follow schteve and gi-gi. :rofl

:shhh

[OCCNinja]

Wait a minute, I am curious how the 2-smoker registration works in CA now. If you buy one that is, say 2002, it can still be registered in CA right? Even if you buy it out of a dealer?
For the new young couple: Congrats on getting into one of the most exciting legal drugs in the world, 2-wheels. Although I would recommend the new 08' ninja over the rs50, at least you'll have something that is extremely rare, and will get everyone's attention (Ring-ding-ding-DING-ding)!:thumbup

[oneirix]

I don't know if Scuderia has them, but I did just pick up a pair at Golden Gate Cycles. The pale green palms wouldn't match your bright red boots exactly, but my stars are they comfortable. From the bikes I've been sitting on recently, I would also recommend getting something completely roadworthy. Roadstergal has some great advice. If you just want a toy, I bet the 50 would be a blast.

Thanks! I plan to, don't worry; the rs50 is a learning tool.

Wait a minute, I am curious how the 2-smoker registration works in CA now. If you buy one that is, say 2002, it can still be registered in CA right? Even if you buy it out of a dealer?

The 2-stroke is not legal at all anymore unless it was bought a while ago... I'm pretty sure 2002 is too late for it to apply. The only reason the rs50 is legal is because it's 50cc and no more (or so they think =P). Dealers aren't allowed to sell any 2-stroke engined bikes.

Motostrano used to. I remember, when I bought my first pair (from Ducati Seattle - it looks like they still sell them), that the fellow at the desk said that the only US distributor is a gal on Bainbridge Island (there are no official US distributors listed on their site). You might have to order them online.

Their sizing (women's) is very small. I've never worn anything other than an XS, and I wear a M in these gloves.

Thanks for the information! I'll definitely be grabbing myself a pair. =3 I'm a little confused on sizing so I may have to buy them in real life... like you I only ever wear XS size gloves, but I also can wear kid sized gloves, so I'm not sure if a medium would be too large or if an xs would be too small.. =/

[oneirix]

Just picture sliding on the asphault and having your jacket slide up your back - this is not an uncommon occurance and why the zip together is highly recommended for street as well as track. I wouldn't worry as much about full circumferance zip on the street, as slides won't be as fast, but still necessary...since you are being so wise about your gear.

Is it possible I can get the zipper put in afterwards via tailor? Or is that not a good idea? I'm sure I could get matching zippers from Dainese for the jacket since I know the pants come with them so that's not really an issue, but can a tailor do the job just as well?

[CBR Warrior]

Hello and welcome to barf!!!!!

[Roadstergal]

Thanks! I plan to, don't worry; the rs50 is a learning tool.

Just one last thought on that...

Unless you live right next to Pescadero, it will be a haul-it-places learning tool. I could take my GS500 on trips all around Rainer's and St. Helens's twisty roads - my RS50 never went there, as it was wheezing at the much-slower-than-CA-pace of WA highways. If you don't warm it up properly, keeping the revs low, you can sieze the engine - which is frustrating to do, as you need to spin it up to move. It's a track toy.

With that in mind, if you're OK with getting a bike you're going to have to haul places in order to learn, consider getting a cheap streetable bike and a cheap green-sticker dirt bike for the same overall price instead. You'll learn an incredible amount from taking the dirt bike to ORV parks - a formula that works, not just for me, but for pro racers who are far better riders than I. And you'll be able to take the onroad bike places farther away and more fun than just the immediate neighborhood.

I know the RS-50 looks purty, but someone else always has a prettier/rarer/faster/blinginer/two-stroke-nnnnnringier bike with nicer stickers. ;) You'll notice that I don't own it anymore... even my (co-owned) track toy is a GS500.

[Mistyz]

Just one last thought on that...

Unless you live right next to Pescadero, it will be a haul-it-places learning tool. I could take my GS500 on trips all around Rainer's and St. Helens's twisty roads - my RS50 never went there, as it was wheezing at the much-slower-than-CA-pace of WA highways. If you don't warm it up properly, keeping the revs low, you can sieze the engine - which is frustrating to do, as you need to spin it up to move. It's a track toy.

With that in mind, if you're OK with getting a bike you're going to have to haul places in order to learn, consider getting a cheap streetable bike and a cheap green-sticker dirt bike for the same overall price instead. You'll learn an incredible amount from taking the dirt bike to ORV parks - a formula that works, not just for me, but for pro racers who are far better riders than I. And you'll be able to take the onroad bike places farther away and more fun than just the immediate neighborhood.

I know the RS-50 looks purty, but someone else always has a prettier/rarer/faster/blinginer/two-stroke-nnnnnringier bike with nicer stickers. ;) You'll notice that I don't own it anymore... even my (co-owned) track toy is a GS500.

Exactly what she said. :thumbup She knows her stuff and wouldn't try to steer you wrong. :) I love having a god awful ugly ass bike, because it is so much fun and I'm not sweating a drop one bit. The tard is just too much fun to worry about looks for me, but thats probably the convert to motards frame of mind speaking. So, with that said, screw everything else and get a motard. :twofinger Good luck with whatever you choose!

[SirFonners]

geeez this is the longest hello/welcome thread everr

killliittt
:sniper

[Just J]

geeez this is the longest hello/welcome thread everr

killliittt
:sniper

Just goes to show how many lonely guys there is on BARF :rofl

[fms1day]

Just goes to show how many lonely guys there is on BARF :rofl

That's really, just SirFonners... The rest of us come here because we want to see who else's riding is their "happy place" :laughing:twofinger

[Vane]

:raises hand I leg hump the new barfettes too :twofinger

[jesse94954]

I THINK WE ALL MIGHT HAVE TO SEE A PIC OF YOU SO WE CAN TELL YOU WHICH GEAR TO GET DECIDE GIRL NEEDS TO LOOK GOOD ANYWAYS

[jmd2914]

:newbie

[oneirix]

Just one last thought on that...

Unless you live right next to Pescadero, it will be a haul-it-places learning tool. I could take my GS500 on trips all around Rainer's and St. Helens's twisty roads - my RS50 never went there, as it was wheezing at the much-slower-than-CA-pace of WA highways. If you don't warm it up properly, keeping the revs low, you can sieze the engine - which is frustrating to do, as you need to spin it up to move. It's a track toy.

With that in mind, if you're OK with getting a bike you're going to have to haul places in order to learn, consider getting a cheap streetable bike and a cheap green-sticker dirt bike for the same overall price instead. You'll learn an incredible amount from taking the dirt bike to ORV parks - a formula that works, not just for me, but for pro racers who are far better riders than I. And you'll be able to take the onroad bike places farther away and more fun than just the immediate neighborhood.

I know the RS-50 looks purty, but someone else always has a prettier/rarer/faster/blinginer/two-stroke-nnnnnringier bike with nicer stickers. ;) You'll notice that I don't own it anymore... even my (co-owned) track toy is a GS500.

I understand the difficulties of this bike; honestly this isn't just because it's pretty, it's because it's what I'm looking for and I have actually done research on, so my boyfriend and I have chosen it for a reason... It's the bike AFTER this one that I'll want advice on, as long as it has nothing to do with a Ninja 250. :p But I really do appreciate your experience and your advice. It's nice to know there are people out there who know what they are talking about, and thank you so much for helping me out!! :)

I THINK WE ALL MIGHT HAVE TO SEE A PIC OF YOU SO WE CAN TELL YOU WHICH GEAR TO GET DECIDE GIRL NEEDS TO LOOK GOOD ANYWAYS

I think we all might benefit from you pressing the caps lock key to turn it off. And learning your grammarz. Cute anyway.

[catgirldanni]

Whoo Hoo another chick rider I loooove it! U go on with ur bad self girl!!!

:welcome

[s-girl]

I think we all might benefit from you pressing the caps lock key to turn it off.


:rofl I love it when people do that... ok, can you stop YELLING NOW?