Need help with a DUI ticket

[canyonrat]

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[canyonrat]

I should add this

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23152.htm

[RolnCode3]

First off it is not my ticket, but it is a very close friend. He reported to me he had 3 pints of beer at the pub (provable with his debit card receipt) over a 3.5 hour period.

The cop put the wrong middle name down on the ticket. Does that mean it can be thrown out?

Otherwise, what are some ways of defending against these citations?

Should he retain a lawyer? He is poor and could in no way afford a $3000 fine. He has a clean record.
Confirming he was booked into jail?

Was blood or breath taken?

The wrong middle name will not be cause for dismissal.

What were the circumstances for the stop? Is he being honest with the 3 beers? What size were they?

Honestly, this is not a good place to get legal advice for something this serious - but it might push you guys in the right direction. DUIs carry fairly large penalties. Most advice (as this gets brought up a lot) is to consult an attorney.

[-Baker-]

I'm no leo, but my lady had 3 dui's back 14 years ago and she spent 3 months in jail and loss of dl's for 12 years with a 18 month class due.

what is it now...10 years on record and loss of DL's? Get an ATTORNEY to fight it thats his only chance. Public defender or a organization who does pro bono (sp?) or a special orgaization for low income folks.

[USARMworker]

Dude drank, then drove. Above the posted speed limit. Whaddaya want?

What I don't get is that he was below the legal limit but still got a DUI. :wtf

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[canyonrat]

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[blackOnblack]

He's screwed.

I had a DUI in March of '05.

Get a public defender, and he'll get him reduced community service and no jail time.

$1650 ticket + $100 court fees + $550 DUI class. License suspended for 6 months. He can try to get a restricted by having a phone hearing w/ some PO over the phone... but that usually doesn't work.

once you get your license, you have to contact the insurance to have them file a SR-22.

[AntonR1]

progressive is great for an SR-22...... Cheap too!

[antarius]

Yeah and FYI, that section of roadway on 101 is a 55. 90 in a 55, or even 70 in a 55 (construction zone), no bueno. Also, if he passed his FST's he wouldn't have been cited (and released per the community release program) for 23152.

That's not your question though, so I'll move on. If he can't afford the $3k fine/penalties, have him ask for a public defender and go from there. In the end, he'll likely end up having to pay dearly for his bad decisions; But look the bright side, it could have been worse.

He could have killed a construction worker or another driver (or their occupants) in a simple collision due to him "accelerating up to 90mph" on a congested, construction-ridden roadway.

It sucks, no doubt, and I'm not here to say whether the fines are just or not.... I'm just saying, get a defense attorney, some vasoline, and know that it always could be worse.

[RolnCode3]

What I don't get is that he was below the legal limit but still got a DUI. :wtf

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That's just an officer that forgot his algebra. There's not section that enumerates it that way.

[masameet]

You might consider deleting the ticket from your post. There's really no reason that your friend's vehicle's make, model and license plate should be so easily accessible on the internet and associated with a DUI. (Plus its smog history pretty much shows where he's findable.)

[canyonrat]

Ouch, this is sounding worse than I had imagined.

[antarius]

Canyonrat,

From someone who lives here in your neck of the woods, and someone who does this for a living. It sounds bad. It really does.

It sounds like however little your friend had to drink, he was (or may have been) impaired. He drove 90mph briefly in a 55mph zone, then slowed to 70mph in a 55mph zone. Prior to which he had no headlights on and was swerving mildly (at best).

Honestly, get a defense attorney (even a public defender) and go from there.

[canyonrat]

You might consider deleting the ticket from your post. There's really no reason that your friend's vehicle's make, model and license plate should be so easily accessible on the internet and associated with a DUI. (Plus its smog history pretty much shows where he's findable.)

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[AndyM]

Take the advice posted earlier and get an attorney. You can post here all night and convince everyone that you were stone cold sober but it don't make a bit of difference because no one here will be sitting on the other side of the bench hearing your case.
DUI is some serious shit and you need to get the best attorney you can. Pay now for the lawyer or pay for the next several years in fines and higher insurance premiums.

[NorCalBusa]

Proceed directly to an attorney, do not pass Go, do not collect $200. This is a serious matter than will have lifelong consequences if handled incorrectly. Stop posting evidence, stop typing evidence, stop. You aren't going to out smart or out argue, you haven't the game for that. What's torpedoing you are the observable actions leading up to getting pulled over are classic DUI behavior signs- I don't think you missed any of them, as taught at the academy.

BTW- 0.08% is the "presumed" level of impairment. What that means is the cop hardly needs any other evidence, that BA level can stand all alone for your conviction. Lower levels mean the cop has to articulate while he felt you were impaired; as evidenced by your poor driving. No one gives a SHIT why you were driving poorly (MP3, scratching your ass, not getting headlights on) as that all indicates poor/impaired judgment due to the alcohol influence. CHP loves getting DUI's right in that 0.05-0.07 range; the ones >0.08 are simply too easy, so the game is more challenging to get the fringe drivers.

[Rel]

What was the breath test results?

Some counties do not book for DUI. You get a ticket, the Officer writes the report, the DA makes the charges, and you get either a trial or a accept it.

You were impaired. You were speeding, and had your headlights off at night. Do you normally forget to turn on your headlights, or only after you've been drinking?

[Razel]

The receipts only confirm the the purchase, not the consumption. You could have also bought beer with cash, no receipt. Someone could have bought you a beer.

But, as RC3 stated in the first response, here isn't the place. Get an attorney. If you'd attached a poll to this thread, 100% would say "Get an attorney".

[Rel]

The receipts only confirm the the purchase, not the consumption. You could have also bought beer with cash, no receipt. Someone could have bought you a beer.

But, as RC3 stated in the first response, here isn't the place. Get an attorney. If you'd attached a poll to this thread, 100% would say "Get an attorney".

Even the LEO's on BARF would tell you that as well.

[}Dragon{]

p.s. it was 3 12oz. beers over a 2 hour period with pizza and waited about 30 min. after last beer before driving. Can provide bank statement showing final tab. As far as the headlights being off, that was just for a short period of time
in a well lit area of town, before I realized they were off.


Like everyone else said (and the BEST advice is) :deadhorse get an attorney ASAP.

Driving at that time of night w/ your headlights off is just screaming to the cops to pull you over, no matter how short a distance you travelled w/ them off.

[Rel]

Like everyone else said (and the BEST advice is) get an attorney ASAP.

Driving at that time of night w/ your headlights off is just screaming to the cops to pull you over, no matter how short a distance you travelled w/ them off.

For once, I Dragon is right.

For once. :twofinger

[afm199]

swerving, speeding and drinking..... Does not sound good. The blood test will prove it one way or the other. Get a lawyer.

[USARMworker]

Good luck!

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[i8marcus]

I got a DUI in 2002 (dumbest thing I've ever done, and have not drank and driven since)... It went like this... Got pulled over for swerving, blew over .08, got a court date 3 months later which in the mean time they take your licence and give you a peice of paper that says you can drive for only 30 days then your license is supended until your court date.
As far as a lawyer, when I went to court they called all the first time DUI's to the front which included about 10 people, and 4-5 had lawyers... They gave all of us the minimum sentence regardless of who had an attorney. So if you blew over .08 don't bother with a lawyer IMO. It will just cost you an extra $1000...
The sentence includes 15 weeks of DUI classes that cost you $517. You have to go once a week and CANNOT be late, then two days of community service which cost about $120, and include picking up trash on the side of the freeway and missing work. Then you have your lovely $1500 fine to pay, another $125 to get a restricted drivers license, then you have to get an SR22 on your insurance, and your premiums go through the roof..
A word of advise don't try to give the judge a bunch of dumb excuses.. It will not help you at all. If anything it will piss him/her off...

Good luck!

[NorCalBusa]

What I don't get is that he was below the legal limit but still got a DUI. :wtf
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0.08% is not a "legal limit", never has been. It is, what the courts call, a "presumptive level"- that is, no matter what else is on the table for evidence- be 0.08 or more and they automatically conclude you were "under the influence". At below 0.08, you can still readily get convicted- but the cops and DA have to demonstrate that your driving was "impaired" with other evidence (such as pesky traffic violations, slurred speech, poor FST performance).

[Junkie]

Yeah and FYI, that section of roadway on 101 is a 55. 90 in a 55, or even 70 in a 55 (construction zone), no bueno. Also, if he passed his FST's he wouldn't have been cited (and released per the community release program) for 23152.

That's not your question though, so I'll move on. If he can't afford the $3k fine/penalties, have him ask for a public defender and go from there. In the end, he'll likely end up having to pay dearly for his bad decisions; But look the bright side, it could have been worse.

He could have killed a construction worker or another driver (or their occupants) in a simple collision due to him "accelerating up to 90mph" on a congested, construction-ridden roadway.

It sucks, no doubt, and I'm not here to say whether the fines are just or not.... I'm just saying, get a defense attorney, some vasoline, and know that it always could be worse.congested at 1:40am? I doubt it. most likely no construction workers out at that time of night either.

[-Baker-]

This why I don't even drink 1 beer and try and drive because I like to speed and if I were pulled I sure wouldn't want to give a cop a reason to write me up for a wet or dui or reckless for merely hitting a white line or not making a full stop.

Its simple don't drink at all and drive. (This includes 1 drink...so save it)

[monkeythumpa]

I would also classify the 90mph as speed peeking and not speeding, but our limited traffic laws do not account for such things.

:rofl Thanks for the quote, it is my new sig!

[i8marcus]

This why I don't even drink 1 beer and try and drive because I like to speed and if I were pulled I sure wouldn't want to give a cop a reason to write me up for a wet or dui or reckless for merely hitting a white line or not making a full stop.

Its simple don't drink at all and drive. (This includes 1 drink...so save it)


That really is the best policy :thumbup...
I know so many people who take drinking & driving so lightly.. It sucks that so many have to get dui's (myself included) or kill someone to understand how bad it really is.

[firemedic2706]

all I say, is don't freakin drink and drive, if you have one beer call someone to drive your dumb ass home

[antarius]

Hello my name is James and I am the friend that Canyonrat is trying to help. No I was not impaired that night. I was in a 65 mph zone and no construction workers or anyone else for that matter. I was just getting into my music and realized how fast I was going and slowed down. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

There is no 65mph zone on HWY 101 in Santa Rosa. It's all a 55 from HWY 12 to the Mendocino Avenue exit. So unless you were on the far north end of the freeway (sounded like you were downtown), you were in a 55. Not bashing you, just making sure you understand your areas....

[antarius]

congested at 1:40am? I doubt it. most likely no construction workers out at that time of night either.

I wasn't referring to vehicle traffic. That portion of 101 is littered in concrete K-rails, cones, constantly changing lanes (as they're rebuilding that portion of the freeway), etc. The roadway is more narrow than normal and as I said, congested (I should have specified, with construction stuff / other non-normal equipment or barriers).

On the no construction at 1:40, perhaps. I've seen night work being done on that freeway more times than I can count. I pretty much assume that they do night work anytime it's not raining.

[Johndicezx9]

congested at 1:40am? I doubt it. most likely no construction workers out at that time of night either.

Most road construction around here is done at night...

It's funny, I've said it before, but what gets you pulled over at 1:30AM will probably not get you pulled over at 1:30PM.

Get a lawyer, chances are it will be reduced to a wet reckless. I think he'll still be subject to attending an alcohol education/program and maybe have to pick up trash at a city park (or some other community service.)

DMV actions, however, are a whole different kettle of fish, even if the charges are dropped or they win the case in court.

[afm199]

speed peeking!! I love it. That's like a fresh red light. It does not really count cause it is FRESH red.

[Jm3]

i'm going to repeat whats been said before. Delete this post immediately and most certainly, remove a copy of the ticket.

I'm fairly certain a Santa Rosa LEO has already replied to this thread. Do you really want him to show this to his colleague before you go to court?

[jdfellow]

If Canyonrat and the moderators approve, please remove everything the whole thread if possible. Again thanks for looking into this, hope it helps someone. Just need encouragement right about now. JDF

[antarius]

Good luck with everything...

[canyonrat]

Thanks everyone. All of this is really considered "hearsay" since none of us were witness to the event. It is all second hand info. Everything I stated in my post about the events the police witnessed, so there's no "new" evidence.

[canyonrat]

:rofl Thanks for the quote, it is my new sig!

Well "speed peeking" falls into a gray area. It's kind like when a road reduces it's speed limit from let's say 55 to 35mph and you are in fact slowing, even applying brakes, but pass the 35mph sign at 45mph and 100 feet later achieved the 35mph speed. It's these situations that make me believe our cops are just screwed by being "law enforcement" officers and not "peace officers". They technically are robots with no discretionary power. If they see something they MUST act or can be found not performing their job duties.

Well, anyway, it would take me running for state senate and passing a bill to change how cops do their jobs.

[antarius]

They technically are robots with no discretionary power. If they see something they MUST act or can be found not performing their job duties.

Well, anyway, it would take me running for state senate and passing a bill to change how cops do their jobs.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Last time I checked, discretion is a huge part of my job. Seriously, are you just making stuff up now?

[NorCalBusa]

"Now"? :laughing

[}Dragon{]

They technically are robots with no discretionary power. If they see something they MUST act or can be found not performing their job duties..

So Mark- Do you think someone driving w/o headlights during peak DUI hours and speeding is *not* a hazard to the general public?

The robots have lots of discretionary power, but when it comes to a public safety issues, like a DUI, the discretion is extremely limited.

Wanna call 'em robots? Blame the lawyers, civil courts and the citizens who have sued and removed their discretion from giving someone who is borderline a ride home. :|

[canyonrat]

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Last time I checked, discretion is a huge part of my job. Seriously, are you just making stuff up now?

Well, perhaps I'm stretching things a bit. My basic belief is that we are living in a way that is approaching a "police state". Yes we are more free than other places like England where they have so many camera's on public streets that you get filmed several times on your way to work.

The Police Chief should be an elected position.

It's also a sad state of affairs when people tell each other to not get involved with "situations" but call a government agency to handle it. It's just a slippery slope toward getting the people to spy on each other much like the Nazi Party was able to achieve.

And my feelings about drinking a driving...it should be a law, no drinking and driving, with one offense resulting in life time loss of driver's license. Until then, it's a gray area.

I personally like police. I also feel sorry for them. I have known a few, and they tend to stick among themselves, some seem to drink a lot when they get home. They see to much of the bad side of the society.

Just my 2 cents.

[canyonrat]

So Mark- Do you think someone driving w/o headlights during peak DUI hours and speeding is *not* a hazard to the general public?

The robots have lots of discretionary power, but when it comes to a public safety issues, like a DUI, the discretion is extremely limited.

Wanna call 'em robots? Blame the lawyers, civil courts and the citizens who have sued and removed their discretion from giving someone who is borderline a ride home. :|

If I was a cop I would have pulled him over and taken him to jail.

[antarius]

Well, perhaps I'm stretching things a bit. My basic belief is that we are living in a way that is approaching a "police state". Yes we are more free than other places like England where they have so many camera's on public streets that you get filmed several times on your way to work.

The Police Chief should be an elected position.

Those are all entirely different issues. They have nothing to do with the completely false statement you made about being robots or having no discretion.


It's also a sad state of affairs when people tell each other to not get involved with "situations" but call a government agency to handle it. It's just a slippery slope toward getting the people to spy on each other much like the Nazi Party was able to achieve.

Yet again, an entirely different issue. I also won't disagree with you on the fact that it is a sad state of affairs when people are unwilling to protect themselves and their property, instead relying on a third party to do so. Your doomsday scenario about it being a way to "get[ting] the people to spy on each other" is just psycho-babble though.

I don't know a single cop who isn't in favor of people being more personally responsible for their own safety and protection of property. I certainly know of no grand scheme to con "you" into letting me watch your every move.


And my feelings about drinking a driving...it should be a law, no drinking and driving, with one offense resulting in life time loss of driver's license. Until then, it's a gray area.

Again, an entirely different issue.



I personally like police. I also feel sorry for them. I have known a few, and they tend to stick among themselves, some seem to drink a lot when they get home. They see to much of the bad side of the society.

Just my 2 cents.

I know plenty of construction workers, teachers, mal-rats, teenagers, business owners, salesman and mechanics who do the same.

I'm not trying to get on you here, I'm really not. I'm also genuine when I tell your friend good luck with everything. All I'm saying, or asking rather, is if you don't know how something works (I.E., discretion in our job), then don't act as though you do. It just makes unnecessary off-topic posts become necessary (like mine).

By the way, I think I might have seen you out at Skaggs the other day... faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast. I was on a motard...

[silverbelt]

Well, perhaps I'm stretching things a bit. My basic belief is that we are living in a way that is approaching a "police state". Yes we are more free than other places like England where they have so many camera's on public streets that you get filmed several times on your way to work.

The Police Chief should be an elected position.

It's also a sad state of affairs when people tell each other to not get involved with "situations" but call a government agency to handle it. It's just a slippery slope toward getting the people to spy on each other much like the Nazi Party was able to achieve.

And my feelings about drinking a driving...it should be a law, no drinking and driving, with one offense resulting in life time loss of driver's license. Until then, it's a gray area.

I personally like police. I also feel sorry for them. I have known a few, and they tend to stick among themselves, some seem to drink a lot when they get home. They see to much of the bad side of the society.

Just my 2 cents.

Heres my :2cents

The only reason DUI laws are as tough as they are is because innocent victims young and old were getting killed.

The only defense given by the well-dressed professional looking offender at the court hearing was "It wasn't my fault, I was drunk". The judge usually agreed, and let him/her go. The message to the public was drinking and drving is OK, I didn't mean to hurt anyone, I was just drunk. Finally, after decades of innocent victims being killed, society no longer tolerated that excuse.

The Chief of Police should not be an elected position. If it were, it would cater to the constituency that put him/her in office. In a place like Oakland or Richmond, it would result in anarchy. In other places, it would result in a police state. Take Palo Alto for example, they restricted PA residents only to Foothills Park. Imagine the chief of police being an elected postion. Bad news.

On the topic of a police state, I'd say we are not even close. People don't get involved in situations and rather rely on video surveillance and the police is one of liability and not wanting to get hurt or get sued. In other words, if you have a problem, call the police and let them deal with the liability, babysitter, marriage counselor, therapist, lawyer, etc. Easier to stand by the side and watch someone else do the dirty work. And if they complain, give them the old "I pay your salary" nonsense.

some seem to drink a lot when they get home.
Count DBA's (me) among that group :thumbup :Port I love to drink a cold beer (or 4) soon as I get home.

[JPM]

Heres my :2cents

The only reason DUI laws are as tough as they are is because innocent victims young and old were getting killed.

The only defense given by the well-dressed professional looking offender at the court hearing was "It wasn't my fault, I was drunk". The judge usually agreed, and let him/her go. The message to the public was drinking and drving is OK, I didn't mean to hurt anyone, I was just drunk. Finally, after decades of innocent victims being killed, society no longer tolerated that excuse.

The Chief of Police should not be an elected position. If it were, it would cater to the constituency that put him/her in office. In a place like Oakland or Richmond, it would result in anarchy. In other places, it would result in a police state. Take Palo Alto for example, they restricted PA residents only to Foothills Park. Imagine the chief of police being an elected postion. Bad news.

On the topic of a police state, I'd say we are not even close. People don't get involved in situations and rather rely on video surveillance and the police is one of liability and not wanting to get hurt or get sued. In other words, if you have a problem, call the police and let them deal with the liability, babysitter, marriage counselor, therapist, lawyer, etc. Easier to stand by the side and watch someone else do the dirty work. And if they complain, give them the old "I pay your salary" nonsense.


Count DBA's (me) among that group :thumbup :Port I love to drink a cold beer (or 4) soon as I get home.


:wtf:wow

silverbelt actually makes good points and I agree with him (well, most of it); that's twice now. What next! Is the world coming to an end? :p:laughing

[Razel]

:wtf:wow

silverbelt actually makes good points and I agree with him (well, most of it); that's twice now. What next! Is the world coming to an end? :p:laughingThat's R.E.M. you're hearing in the background...
"...and I feel fine."

[gnstalodz]

DUI = get the **** off the road!!! i dont even have to read these other comments by other ppl. Dumb*** for who ever drove with beers in his system!

[RolnCode3]

:wtf:wow

silverbelt actually makes good points and I agree with him (well, most of it); that's twice now. What next! Is the world coming to an end? :p:laughing
Agreed. I thought the same thing!

[Jm3]

I think it's very discretionary. For instance, a HS buddy failed a breathalyzer and the Field Sobriety Test and was released without any sort of citation. The only condition was that the officer was going to wait there until a sober friend could drive him home.

[}Dragon{]

I think it's very discretionary. For instance, a HS buddy failed a breathalyzer and the Field Sobriety Test and was released without any sort of citation. The only condition was that the officer was going to wait there until a sober friend could drive him home.

What do you think happens when he gets into an argument with the sober friend and gets behind the wheel of a car 20 minutes later to go get more beer?
:wow

[afm199]

Just to note, DUI should be and is punished severely. And anyone who thinks it is bad here should move to Sweden, where ONE stop gets your licensed jerked forever.

If you want to drink, don't get in a car and endanger the rest of us with your shitty reflexes, poor judgment and delayed reactions.

[antarius]

Just to note, DUI should be and is punished severely. And anyone who thinks it is bad here should move to Sweden, where ONE stop gets your licensed jerked forever.

If you want to drink, don't get in a car and endanger the rest of us with your shitty reflexes, poor judgment and delayed reactions.

"You must spread some reputation before giving more to afm199."

[JPM]

Ok all just a quick reminder that we all want ourselves and our loved ones to come home safe. Don't drink and drive. And for those of you that can't make the right and sensible decision; I will be out for 8 hours tonight looking just for you and on five other nights before new years. No tolerance.

Be safe, happy holidays.

[NorCalBusa]

If you are near Hollister, I'll drive you home if needed.

[canyonrat]

Well, antarius has called me on my shit about cops being robots and not having discretionary authority. I'm not a cop and I don't know the daily routine of cops.

As for drinking and driving...it can be very dangerous, but not always. Yes I know that drinking and driving results in about 30,000 deaths a year, depending on which source you want to site. Some as low as 15k and others near 45k deaths per year. This is why I believe we as a society need to make a tough choice about drinking and driving. At one time less than .12 was considered acceptable! Then it went to .1 and now .08. It's interesting to see what has been considered acceptable.

Anyway, it's a serious offense and I'd like to see my friend have all advantages afforded to him possible, that's all.

[Rel]

Ok all just a quick reminder that we all want ourselves and our loved ones to come home safe. Don't drink and drive. And for those of you that can't make the right and sensible decision; I will be out for 8 hours tonight looking just for you and on five other nights before new years. No tolerance.

Be safe, happy holidays.

See you out there!

[schteve]

Well, antarius has called me on my shit about cops being robots and not having discretionary authority. I'm not a cop and I don't know the daily routine of cops.

As for drinking and driving...it can be very dangerous, but not always. Yes I know that drinking and driving results in about 30,000 deaths a year, depending on which source you want to site. Some as low as 15k and others near 45k deaths per year. This is why I believe we as a society need to make a tough choice about drinking and driving. At one time less than .12 was considered acceptable! Then it went to .1 and now .08. It's interesting to see what has been considered acceptable.

Anyway, it's a serious offense and I'd like to see my friend have all advantages afforded to him possible, that's all.


You need to think about what you said in that statement..I hope it was a typo..:nerd

[RolnCode3]

As for drinking and driving...it can be very dangerous, but not always.
Agrees:
"Alcohol increases your ability to drive."

[-Baker-]

Ok all just a quick reminder that we all want ourselves and our loved ones to come home safe. Don't drink and drive. And for those of you that can't make the right and sensible decision; I will be out for 8 hours tonight looking just for you and on five other nights before new years. No tolerance.

Be safe, happy holidays.


See you out there!

goosh I sure hope you guys can send the calvery up here on 880 between 880/237 all the way to 880/238 I see drunks all the time on FRIDAYS!!! Or guys racing ...

I would call but no bluetooth in helmet yet.

[PorradaVFR]

Buddy of mine lost his Dad to drunk driver, my sis was injured by another. I hope your friend (and all DUI morons) get reamed for showing such poor judgement. If the prospect of consequences was not enough to prevent him from driving, ACTUAL consequences will.

Tough? Wah. I ride on those roads. My wife and kid are on those roads. I could give a shit how "fine" someone thinks they are to drive and if you're too dimwitted to turn your headlights on at 1:30a (when it does, in fact, tend to be DARK) then I sure as hell don't want you behind the wheel.

Whining bitches want advice on how to deal with a DUI - how about don't fucking GET one by not driving when you've been drinking?

[Rel]

goosh I sure hope you guys can send the calvery up here on 880 between 880/237 all the way to 880/238 I see drunks all the time on FRIDAYS!!! Or guys racing ...

I would call but no bluetooth in helmet yet.


Funny you say that... We've been working on those guys for a while now. Lots of Mustangs and Cameros.

And, drunks. We get them too.

[AndyM]

As for drinking and driving...it can be very dangerous, but not always.


Kind of like saying that playing Russian roulette can be dangerous but not always. As long as you get an empty cylinder you're safe, but sooner or later the odds will probably catch up with you...

[afm199]

Just remember the state of CA does not see drinking while driving as a part time safe activity. One ticket can cost you thousands. And it will be a favor done. If you drink, don't drive. If you have to drink to be happy or make your life livable, you have a far more serious problem than dealing with a ticket.

[canyonrat]

"As for drinking and driving...it can be very dangerous, but not always."

Sounds bad, I see that now. I'm gonna finish with this comment. Let's use 3 distilled drinks in 90 minutes as the amount because that will put the average 180lbs male just below .08 BAC. Drinking then driving in 5:30pm rush hour traffic at 65mph - closer to the dangerous end of the spectrum. Drinking and driving at 10pm through empty neighborhood streets at 25mph - closer to the less dangerous end of the spectrum.

Life is full of shades of gray.

Note:distilled alcohol and fermented alcohol have slightly different effects.

[RickyHayden]

"As for drinking and driving...it can be very dangerous, but not always."

Drinking then driving in 5:30pm rush hour traffic at 65mph - closer to the dangerous end of the spectrum. Drinking and driving at 10pm through empty neighborhood streets at 25mph - closer to the less dangerous end of the spectrum.

Life is full of shades of gray.


I took a rollever collision with the driver being ejected not too long ago on a residential road with a speed limit of 25 MPH. The drunk driver collided with a parked vehicle at up around 80 MPH, their car rolled 300ft down the street taking out everything in its path. Yes there were some major injures.

[jt2]

Note:distilled alcohol and fermented alcohol have slightly different effects.

Urban legend. The differ only in the alcohol content.

Distilled spirits are just more concentrated. That is, to make a spirit, you boil the alcohol off a fermented product.

For example, Scotch is essentially (heh) just distilled beer.

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