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Shygirl
12-22-2007, 06:31 PM
I had been arrested for petty theft? History: I was 21 and I made a bad decision. I reached into a car, that didn’t belong to me, and took some stuff. I was arrested, booked into county jail, and released. The DA didn’t file any charges, so I assume it was dismissed, but I want to just make sure.
T-1 Thunder
12-22-2007, 07:40 PM
was ever caught and arrested for going into someone's car who I didnt know, and had items on me that was less then $100.00
I can only wonder, and grieve, whatever was there before you edited it.
With a name like that, a title like that, and a post like this - I hope to see more from you.
Cheers!
And I don't give a shit, I'd hire you. I got nothing worth nothing to steal so I'm good.
Shygirl
12-22-2007, 07:47 PM
I can only wonder, and grieve, whatever was there before you edited it.
With a name like that, a title like that, and a post like this - I hope to see more from you.
Cheers!
And I don't give a shit, I'd hire you. I got nothing worth nothing to steal so I'm good.
Serious Quotes only please : )
n10sive
12-22-2007, 07:52 PM
You failed to mention what you would be disqualified for so hard to get an opinion.
Meanwhile, are you hawt?
http://brimstone.us/7_june_Paris_Hilton_Jail_Outfit.jpg
plumber
12-22-2007, 08:43 PM
was ever caught and arrested for going into someone's car who I didnt know, and had items on me that was less then $100.00
I sure hope you are. I'd hate to think that convicted thieves are getting badges.
n10sive
12-22-2007, 08:58 PM
ahhhh...plumber is a smart man....disqualified for being a cop! I get it now. can't accuse me of being the sharpest tool in the shed tonight! :laughing
so what is "being in someone car I didn't know" mean? what were you convicted of? Juvi record or adult? details shy one....
plumber
12-22-2007, 09:01 PM
It brings up an interesting question. I know juveniles can seal their record at 18. Does that also disqualify an applicant?
CnDnMax
12-22-2007, 10:09 PM
so what is "being in someone car I didn't know" mean? what were you convicted of? Juvi record or adult? details shy one....
my guess is breaking into a car and possession of either illegal drugs or stolen property :dunno
JesasaurusRex
12-22-2007, 10:16 PM
imma go with indecent exposure for having sex in a car in a public setting with no tint on the windows just going off her name and knowing that a pair of shoes for wom3nz cost atleast 100 dollars
Iszlandsnow
12-23-2007, 06:42 AM
was ever caught and arrested for going into someone's car who I didnt know, and had items on me that was less then $100.00
So what really happened? You dont have to lie to kick it.
Mad Mac
12-23-2007, 09:54 AM
Not enough to go on. How old were you. What was it you were caught with, drugs? What was the actual charges and how long ago was it. the last question is the most important. Even though you may have been under 18 years of age, if you are only 20 now it could be a problem. Each department is different as well. fill out the app. and go through the process. You will have an oral board interview, aptitude test, a physical test were you run, push ups, sit ups, a trip to the doctor for exam, a psych exam, back ground check and polygraph test. One thing to remember though. Don't try to hide your record on your background check or the psych exam. It will show up sooner or later and you will be washed from the program for sure. Good Luck with your venture.
Shygirl
12-23-2007, 10:24 AM
Not enough to go on. How old were you. What was it you were caught with, drugs? What was the actual charges and how long ago was it. the last question is the most important. Even though you may have been under 18 years of age, if you are only 20 now it could be a problem. Each department is different as well. fill out the app. and go through the process. You will have an oral board interview, aptitude test, a physical test were you run, push ups, sit ups, a trip to the doctor for exam, a psych exam, back ground check and polygraph test. One thing to remember though. Don't try to hide your record on your background check or the psych exam. It will show up sooner or later and you will be washed from the program for sure. Good Luck with your venture.
I was 21. I was not caught with any drugs. I dont know the exact term of the charge, but I know it was misdemeanor theft. It was 3.5 years ago. Rules are Rules, but people do change. Ok,Ok, so my name is ShyGirl, perhaps doing what I did was a rebelious self act that fulfilled my such boring life growing up, but I know I would never ever do that again hehe.
n10sive
12-23-2007, 10:45 AM
So it was a misdemeanor and you were a juvi...so keep going! As Mad Mac says it all depends on the department. Miami PD used to hire drug dealers cause that is all they could get. It wasn't until after an entire shift was arrested that they tightened up the rules. Being a female gives you some extra points on the testing so chances are it will never make a difference if you get through all the physical and practical testing. Be honest and keep testing if one department turns you down.
Shygirl
12-23-2007, 11:14 AM
[QUOTE=n10sive;3608393]So it was a misdemeanor and you were a juvi
No sweetie, I said I was 21. but everyone makes mistakes right.
n10sive
12-23-2007, 11:18 AM
Like I said...not the sharpest tool in the shed this weekend! :laughing
I was think you said "I AM 21" and it was 3.5 years ago. Oh well...was still a misdemeanor and you might get lucky.
Shygirl
12-23-2007, 11:46 AM
and you were a juvi...
isn't juvi the term for a person under the age of 18.
n10sive
12-23-2007, 11:49 AM
isn't juvi the term for a person under the ago of 18.
Yes. Anything that happens in juvenile court typically gets sealed when you turn 18 so it can't be used against you later.
Wow... where the hell are the grammar police.....
So, you were 21 and arrested. What was the exact charge? Did you plea it down? Did you pay a fine? Why did you go into someones car you didnt know and take the items?
More info is required.
Yes. Anything that happens in juvenile court typically gets sealed when you turn 18 so it can't be used against you later.
Sorta right, sorta wrong......
Anything you do as a juvi is sealed, UNLESS, you are applying for a job that requires an indepth background check.
You still have to disclose what you did, or didn't do, as a kid.....
It was expunged because of my prior clean record. No answer on why I went into someones car I didnt know. I was drunk and of course wouldnt normally have acted in such a manner had I been sober. I dont drink anymore for that matter of my incompetence that night.
Ummmmm, its not expunged if you were an adult. You were arrested and not convicted? Were the charges dropped?
Something isn't making sense here.....
Shygirl
12-23-2007, 12:15 PM
Ummmmm, its not expunged if you were an adult. You were arrested and not convicted? Were the charges dropped?
Something isn't making sense here.....
Actually, Expunged may be wrong. Its been 3.5 years, so I'm not exactly sure what term they used. I know it was not a conviction.
Actually, Expunged may be wrong. Its been 3.5 years, so I'm not exactly sure what term they used. I know it was not a conviction.
Perhaps dismissed?
You were arrested? Did you get booked into county jail? Did you post bail?
yes to booked, and no to bail
I'm done trying to get information out of you to help you. Good luck.
It makes it difficult and frustrating, when attempting to assist someone with their questions, when that person doesn’t provide all the information up front.
For example I would have posed the following question:
Am I going to be disqualified if I had been arrested for petty theft? History: I was 21 and I made a bad decision. I was drunk, reached into a car, that didn’t belong to me, and took some stuff. I was arrested, booked into county jail, and released. The DA didn’t file any charges, so I assume it was dismissed, but I want to just make sure.
Thanks for your help.
Shygirl
12-23-2007, 01:17 PM
It makes it difficult and frustrating, when attempting to assist someone with their questions, when that person doesn’t provide all the information up front.
For example I would have posed the following question:
Am I going to be disqualified if I had been arrested for petty theft? History: I was 21 and I made a bad decision. I was drunk, reached into a car, that didn’t belong to me, and took some stuff. I was arrested, booked into county jail, and released. The DA didn’t file any charges, so I assume it was dismissed, but I want to just make sure.
Thanks for your help.
I understand. . I just corrected my original Post. Thank you
masameet
12-23-2007, 01:43 PM
Unless you petition to have your juvenile record sealed, your juvenile indiscretion remains on your record for life. Expungement is more of an adult legal remedy to clearing/removing a misdemeanor. Here's a PDF (http://www.ebclc.org/documents/juvenilerecordsealingbrochure2005-rvd.pdf) regarding sealing your juvenile record.
}Dragon{
12-23-2007, 06:43 PM
Most agencies will not hire you if you have been convicted of the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude
Maybe if ten years have passed and it was a larger agency, you *may* have a shot.
At 21 you are a big girl and responsible for your actions. If you committed a theft out of grave necessity (broke into a cabin because you were lost in the woods and starving) you may be able to justify it.
The way it (a theft conviction) reflects on you as a person is that you can not be trusted with other's property.
The way it (a theft conviction) reflects on you as a person is that you can not be trusted with other's property.
What are you trying to say??
}Dragon{
12-23-2007, 07:13 PM
What are you trying to say??
What do you think I'm trying to say?
If you have been convicted as an adult of a crime of moral turpitude, your chances of getting into law enforcement are very slim. It does not rule out a career in politics:thumbup.
USARMworker
12-23-2007, 08:00 PM
It makes it difficult and frustrating, when attempting to assist someone with their questions, when that person doesn’t provide all the information up front.
For example I would have posed the following question:
Am I going to be disqualified if I had been arrested for petty theft? History: I was 21 and I made a bad decision. I was drunk, reached into a car, that didn’t belong to me, and took some stuff. I was arrested, booked into county jail, and released. The DA didn’t file any charges, so I assume it was dismissed, but I want to just make sure.
Last edited by Shygirl : Today at 03:09 PM.
I had been arrested for petty theft? History: I was 21 and I made a bad decision. I reached into a car, that didn’t belong to me, and took some stuff. I was arrested, booked into county jail, and released. The DA didn’t file any charges, so I assume it was dismissed, but I want to just make sure.
Well, you can follow instructions, so you got that goin' for ya. :thumbup
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I had been arrested for petty theft? History: I was 21 and I made a bad decision. I reached into a car, that didn’t belong to me, and took some stuff. I was arrested, booked into county jail, and released. The DA didn’t file any charges, so I assume it was dismissed, but I want to just make sure.
-Don't assume it was dismissed. Obtain a criminal history on yourself by going to your local Sheriffs Office or, possibly, police department. For the specific case, you may be able to get the specifics from the respective court house.
-Generally, but not specifically by agency, misdemeanor convictions are not necessarily a do-not-hire factor, whereas felony convictions are; although misdemeanor convictions or violations, even if not convicted, can be. An agency may not care what you did, as long as it wasn't a conviction, after a certain period of time. It'll depend on how the background questions are worded. E.g., "List all arrests or contacts with L.E. agencies, whether or not resulting in a conviction, for any misdemeanors and felonies" vs. "List all arrests, even though there was no conviction, but only go back 10 years".
-If applying, by all means, be truthful to any background questions posed, whether verbal or written, whether during the actual background, or in an oral board or interview.
-Don't just apply to one agency. Research, study, ride-along, ask questions to agency staff, all before applying.
-What are you doing besides asking about this stuff on BARF? At only 24 years old, consider any & all branches of military with police work your main interest. I realize military police work can be very different, but in some cases similar, especially if assigned to patrolling on-base housing areas. You might bypass the military suggestion if you obtain positive feedback after speaking with various agencies' background investigative personnel. Are you willing to put yourself through a police academy as a non-affiliate, with the possibility no agency will hire you? OTOH, you could become more marketable to an agency which would rather hire somebody who'd already completed an academy.
-What college education have you or are you planning on obtaining? Some agencies require a minimum amount of college units and some require a degree in a particular field of study. You'll find this out with your research.
-Read this thread, too, on becoming an LEO: http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153544
-That's all which comes to mind right now. I've got to get some sleep now before getting up at 0200 hours tomorrow to go fight some more crime. Good night (You're welcome...to apply, in advance).
T-1 Thunder
12-24-2007, 04:53 PM
Why did you go into someones car you didnt know and take the items?
To gaffle that shit, yo! And got popped in the process.
I agree with Dragon - steep hill for leo career. 3.5 years ain't shit - I can do it standing on my head(avoiding psychs).
Think of the liability with the police department, hiring a known thief? What about that evidence room and all that good shit the cops take from bad guys? That's a lot of temptation for anyone that carries the act of stealing beyond a JUVENILE(10-14 years old) range. Not to mention that most of the time, when someone is finally caught, it's likely not their first time...
But since it's just an arrest, and it sounds like she'd be honest about it up front - I'd credit that and as a private business owner - I do not see it as a disqualification in itself.
Good luck, "sneakygirl". ;)
Mad Mac
12-24-2007, 07:18 PM
Well I will be honest with you. After three pages of post and still not too clear on your story?" I wouldn't bother going before an oral board. I have set on several and your story just doesn't wash. No offense but you say you don't know for sure if it was dismissed, maybe? Maybe have a record but don't know for sure. I wish you the best of luck but I think you would be better off looking into another line of work. Your methods make me wonder what your motives truly are.
For example:
CHP officer is jailed in theft of cocaine
By David Haldane, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
December 25, 2007
A California Highway Patrol officer has been arrested on suspicion of stealing several kilograms of cocaine from an evidence room at the agency's Santa Ana headquarters, officials said Monday.
Joshua Blackburn, 32, a six-year veteran of the CHP, is being held at Orange County Jail on $4-million bail. Authorities put the value of the drugs at $1 million.
"This is an extremely serious crime," said Susan Kang Schroeder, a spokeswoman for the Orange County district attorney's office. "This is somebody the public put their trust in, so it elevates the case."
John Barnett, Blackburn's attorney, declined to comment except to say that his client had never been in trouble before.
Schroeder said Blackburn is expected to be charged with transportation of cocaine, possession for sale and burglary.
Mad Mac
12-24-2007, 08:15 PM
I guess my point is this. OK you broke into or entered a car that wasn't yours. Took something that didn't belong to you. Theft. Then you ask if you have hurt your chances of getting hired in law enforcement. You don't come clean with your story and several members have had to pump you for the whole story? Integrity. This may not be the case but it is the picture you have somehow managed to paint.
motorman4life
12-24-2007, 09:22 PM
As I have mentioned in other threads on this same topic.. most agencies would look more harshly upon you trying to conceal this prior arrest NOW, than they would look upon something stupid you did (and were never convicted of) over 3 years ago.
In other words, it is not a serious issue unless you make it one by trying to hide it or "claim" you overlooked it. Be up-front and honest and let the chips fall where they may. It is a good opportunity for you to show your character has changed for the better vs. reenforcing the position that you still need to grow up and/or cannot be trusted.
For example:
CHP officer is jailed in theft of cocaine
By David Haldane, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
December 25, 2007
A California Highway Patrol officer has been arrested on suspicion of stealing several kilograms of cocaine from an evidence room at the agency's Santa Ana headquarters, officials said Monday.
Joshua Blackburn, 32, a six-year veteran of the CHP, is being held at Orange County Jail on $4-million bail. Authorities put the value of the drugs at $1 million.
"This is an extremely serious crime," said Susan Kang Schroeder, a spokeswoman for the Orange County district attorney's office. "This is somebody the public put their trust in, so it elevates the case."
John Barnett, Blackburn's attorney, declined to comment except to say that his client had never been in trouble before.
Schroeder said Blackburn is expected to be charged with transportation of cocaine, possession for sale and burglary.
Damn, those paper guys can see into the future! Look at the date of the article, considering it’s currently December-24-07. Who called Ms. Cleo?
motorman4life
12-24-2007, 09:47 PM
Damn, those paper guys can see into the future! Look at the date of the article, considering it’s currently December-24-07. Who called Ms. Cleo?
Don't you watch Journeyman?? :rofl
Good catch. :thumbup
bpowa
12-26-2007, 01:01 AM
did you break into the car or just reached in. 21 years old is old to be stealing I can see it pass if you were under 17 or so.
if you do decide to go through with applying you are going to get griled if you ever met with A backgroung investigator. if you thing people here on the board are giving you a hard time you would be in for a shock.
be up-front if you want to move forward with this. I know its humiliating but you have to let it all out.
beaker
12-26-2007, 01:13 PM
Ambiguous situation leads to ambiguous answers.
You were arrested for an offense, then were released on OR or bail and were never charged is my assumption. Before going through the process you should not assume anything and obtain the documents they will eventually pull during the background. You would either have an arrest record or a detention certificate (if the DA has decided not to pursue charges due to insufficient evidence or other circumstances).
If the question comes up:
- Have you ever been detained? yes.
- Have you ever been arrested? depending on what you dig up, yes or no.
- Have you ever been convicted? no.
Based on what the other LEOs have said, lying is a quick exit out of the process.
Based on what the other LEOs have said, lying is a quick exit out of the process.
There are a lot of things a cop can do, and not lose thier job. As soon as you lie about something, say during an IA, you're done.
motorman4life
12-26-2007, 05:11 PM
If the question comes up:
- Have you ever been detained? yes.
- Have you ever been arrested? depending on what you dig up, yes or no.
- Have you ever been convicted? no.
Based on what the other LEOs have said, lying is a quick exit out of the process.
Beaker makes a good point. If your arrest was downgraded to a detention under 849(b) PC (either by the arresting agency or the DA, after the fact), then technically you were not arrested, but merely detained. There is ususlly a certificate issued when this happens and if that is the case, you should have been provided a copy of the certificate.
You should look into this and see what you can do to clear it up and get whatever paperwork you are entitled to.
Once you get all of the facts, your best bet is to fully disclose the information in your background. This is the only way you could possibly mitigate the situation now. If you fail to do so, when (if) they find it themselves, no amount of explaining will fix it and it will haunt you in every background you are in going forward.
You open the topic, deal with it in a straightforward way and will gain points and credibility for being upfront. If they say it is too recent (being you were 21 at the time), they may feel 3 years is too soon. They may want to see 4 or 5 years.. I mean, this is a possibility you should consider. If that is the case, at least the door is not slammed in your face.. which would be the case if you concealed or conveniently "overlooked" an arrest in your background and were found out in the process. This is what the process is DESIGNED to do.
We are not talking about a sealed or expunged juvenile record here. We are talking about a crime you committed as an adult. The odds are that they WILL find it very early in the process. I have no doubt you will need to deal with it in the background and you can ask any BI on the planet.. you breeching the topic is your best way of dealing with it effectively.
Meter Man
12-26-2007, 09:16 PM
I had been arrested for petty theft? History: I was 21 and I made a bad decision. I reached into a car, that didn’t belong to me, and took some stuff. I was arrested, booked into county jail, and released. The DA didn’t file any charges, so I assume it was dismissed, but I want to just make sure.
My mother is on a police board that does all the hiring for the city police in another state. They disqualify automatically if the applicant does not disclose something and it is found during the background check.
Disclose everything.
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