Cops are bad!!!!!

[TeamJordan]

So im at starbucks in san jose...capital xpressway...and these 2 under cover cops come to me and tell me to take my helmet off...then they ask me what bike is mines out of all the ones parked there...i show them the CBR wih the Key in my hand and turn it on...they still insist i fit the description of a black male riding on a GSX-R...he even mentions not to many black dudes ride around on rice rockets in san jose (by the way im obviously black). So these 2 cops question me ask for all my numbers in my received calls list and take all my info and my ID card...What sucks is the fucked up by not letting me go...since i wasnt on a GIXXER i should have been let go...But cops bein ass holes they are said to me...you must know this guy hes black and your black...is he a buddy of yours...im thinking WTF! Cause im black i should know this black GUY! that was fucked up i don't care who you are...i just want to know what you guys think about that??

And y did they threatin me about takin me in? WTF where is the Justice there

[Junkie]

What PD was this?

[TeamJordan]

im guessing SJPD but they were undercover

[Junkie]

Did you ask for any form of identification? If any undercover cops ask you to do things, insist on it.

[propaganda]

No way! that some bullshit dude, I go there all the time, Never had it happen to me or my other friend's, I guess i have to be more careful around there, Hope your alright and nothing happen to you

[propaganda]

They're just all talk, If you didn't do anything wrong at all, They can't do that to you

[beaker]

You're entitled to ask them for proof they're law enforcment officers before dealing with any questioning. A uniformed officer has to have their name or ID per PC 830.10. I'm actually not sure if there are specific language on the books for undercover officers, but you have every right to ask them for ID.

If they are actively investigating a crime, I believe you have to cooperate on some level, but you can easily counter that with 'are we done? am i free to leave?' and 'am i being detained, and why?' That will make it clear that you won't be walked on.

The asking for your cell phone recent calls is something you can absolutely say no.

The SJPD has been under scrutiny for some amount of profiling:

http://www.sccsuperiorcourt.org/jury/GJreports/2006/RacialProfilingSJPD.pdf

If you obtained their IDs you can relay your concerns/complaints to the appropriate channels.

[B-Cuz]

So im at starbucks in san jose...capital xpressway...and these 2 under cover cops come to me and tell me to take my helmet off...then they ask me what bike is mines out of all the ones parked there...i show them the CBR wih the Key in my hand and turn it on...they still insist i fit the description of a black male riding on a GSX-R...he even mentions not to many black dudes ride around on rice rockets in san jose (by the way im obviously black). So these 2 cops question me ask for all my numbers in my received calls list and take all my info and my ID card...What sucks is the fucked up by not letting me go...since i wasnt on a GIXXER i should have been let go...But cops bein ass holes they are said to me...you must know this guy hes black and your black...is he a buddy of yours...im thinking WTF! Cause im black i should know this black GUY! that was fucked up i don't care who you are...i just want to know what you guys think about that??

And y did they threatin me about takin me in? WTF where is the Justice there

The reason why they were giving you a hard time is obvious, you fit the description of someone they were trying to track down. Now the way the questioning was handled is an entirely different story.

[TeamJordan]

The reason why they were giving you a hard time is obvious, you fit the description of someone they were trying to track down. Now the way the questioning was handled is an entirely different story.

The hell with that i didn't have a GSX-R and they knew it

[pepe]

The reason why they were giving you a hard time is obvious, you fit the description of someone they were trying to track down. Now the way the questioning was handled is an entirely different story.


They said they were looking for a guy on a GSXR so contrary to what you said, he did not fit their description, and even after he showed them his bike they still hassled him. Total BS!

[Ant]

Maybe they just said they were cops because they thought you were hot and wanted to pat you down with crisco and raw eggs.

[theAmazingKickstand]

Are you sure they werent just assholes messing with you?

You shoulda flashed yo gat on dem.

It kinda sucks but the ONE time I was in my car with my ONE black friend the cop came up to us and asked him to get out of the car and searched him. She was a bitch and in the end said someone from the gym called and said a black guy had a gun. There were no black people in that gym for the last two hours.
I wrote a post about it a few years back, funny stuff. She basically searched the first black guy she could find. I think Pacifica PD had a contest on who could search a black first after that phone call.

Sucks you didnt grow up a white Jew in a gated community. I dont have a worry in the world.:p

[T-1 Thunder]

Cops are not bad. The ones you came across were definately in the wrong and not professional and I'm sorry to hear what you had to endure. There is no excuse for it.

But don't let these two ruin your image of all cops. Most cops are good people. Most cops are not ignorant like that.

In a diverse place like San Jose, this is really surprising.

[thumbus2003]

Maybe they just said they were cops because they thought you were hot and wanted to pat you down with crisco and raw eggs.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[B-Cuz]

The hell with that i didn't have a GSX-R and they knew it

They said they were looking for a guy on a GSXR so contrary to what you said, he did not fit their description, and even after he showed them his bike they still hassled him. Total BS!

Figured I didn't have to mention this in my first post but it's obvious I have to...if you DID NOT ride a moto, would you really know the difference between a CBR, GSXR, Z6, R6, etc? Much less give a crap? According to your story you claim the officers were trying to track down a black male on a GSXR moto. You are a black male on a CBR. Initial reports can be wrong at times, not every witness is keen on their moto knowledge as well. Keep in mind that I don't agree with the questioning portion, but as far as being confronted in the first place...

[brichter]

Did they write down your address?

Maybe they weren't cops, but bike thieves?

[TeamJordan]

Did they write down your address?

Maybe they weren't cops, but bike thieves?

thats room for thought...they did show me their badges but hey those coulda been fake...and to think of it they didn't have walkie talkies/ radios...so wtf what if i ran who they gonna call...never thought of it but i don't like how i was treated at all

[giusepi]

what did they say when they let you go?
did they say anything like "im sorry?"

[TeamJordan]

nope just said you can go now

[}Dragon{]

Badges? with ID cards or just badges?

[TeamJordan]

just badges

[ryanisgone]

I was at the SF CHP office a few months ago and started up a conversation with a Harley rider, we were both bitching about getting pulled over for random shit...DOT lights, suspicion for various things, do we fit a certain profile (me white, he black), were we the guy who some guy saw who broke a mirror on some guy who was in car.... He said he spent most of his time in Oakland and cops always pull him over for his loud HD pipes. I looked at him and smiled and simply said, "Dude, they pull your ass over because your black." He smiled back and said, "You said it right there."

That is my story and my two cents. Profiling riders is pretty shitty in the first place, but the color thing is whole different degree. All it takes is that 1% of the LEO's to make us all very very jaded.

[afm199]

Figured I didn't have to mention this in my first post but it's obvious I have to...if you DID NOT ride a moto, would you really know the difference between a CBR, GSXR, Z6, R6, etc? Much less give a crap? According to your story you claim the officers were trying to track down a black male on a GSXR moto. You are a black male on a CBR. Initial reports can be wrong at times, not every witness is keen on their moto knowledge as well. Keep in mind that I don't agree with the questioning portion, but as far as being confronted in the first place...

Then if a white male was named, would they stop the first white male on a motorcycle?:rofl

[wsmc831]

yep, (all) cops are bad because someone was checked out at starbucks on capital, riding a sportbike, and didn't like it.

from everything I've heard about that area, they should be stopping and checking everyone on a sportbike.

[afm199]

I agree, riders who patronize starbucks are all suspect.

[wsmc831]

I agree, riders who patronize starbucks are all suspect.

I've got no problem with that, so we agree!

[}Dragon{]

I agree, riders who patronize starbucks are all suspect.

As you can see, they are trying to stop the problems proactively in NY.

[Junkie]

Then if a white male was named, would they stop the first white male on a motorcycle?:roflYesterday morning I think I saw the first black guy I've seen in Atascadero. I've been living here since september :|

[2strokeYardSale]

So these 2 cops question me ask for all my numbers in my received calls list and take all my info and my ID card
You will continue to be victimized until you educate yourself about your rights and grow a set of balls.

[bhaynnes]

just badges

Keep an eye on your bike. They just might be thieves. Lots of crimes being committed in the bay area by folks pretending to be something they aint.

[JeebusX]

I would call SJPD with the location and approx time of the incendent. If they were real cops the dispatcher should have a record of reporting the suspects to any cops in the area. Explain to them that you have a legit feeling that they might have been thieves. Dunno if they'll cooperate, but it's worth a shot.

[Anti-Hero]

I got stopped once for matching the description of someone the cops were looking for. The officer was polite and didn't hassle me in any way. He even showed me the picture of the suspect. The resemblance of myself and the suspect was uncanny, so the officer was just doing his job. Sorry you had such a bad experience, but remember the bad cops are the exception not the rule.

[silversvs]

Simply ask the officers, "Am I free to leave?" If they say no, then they have to have enough articulable factors that lead them to have reasonable suspiscion you have been, are about to be, or are currently involved in a crime. If they do, then they can detain you as long as reasonably necessary to confirm or deny the articulable factors.

Reasonable suspision can be based on; Observation,Training,Experience,Witnesses,Victims, Appearance of the suspect,
Actions of the suspect, Driving behaviors, Criminal history of the suspect, Demeanor
Time of day and day of week, etc.

Its all about the Totality of the Circumstances. What did the officers know at the time of the stop that made them believe the person they stopped was or was about to be involve din a crime.

[TeamJordan]

You will continue to be victimized until you educate yourself about your rights and grow a set of balls.

First off i know my rights and i do have balls im black they won't even fit in your mouth FUCKIN HOE!

[wsmc831]

dude, no wonder the cops 'hassled you'...your panties get twisted at the drop of hat....


mellow out, grow up.


...i'm not even going to ask how you know your balls won't fit in his mouth........

[TeamJordan]

well you guys are obviously white no offense...but you don't know who it is being black...i never been arrested or fucked up in any way...i just try to be normal like everyone else but still because im "Black and Young" i fit the fuckin "DESCRIPTION"

i never do anything wrong never still i get questioned just for being black...

so when you get hasseld for no reason your trying to tell me you wouldn't be pissed even tho they were lookin for a black male who was riding a GIXXER...and i was on a CBR...they said they ride bikes too...so don't they know the difference...??? well ya im just mad that i get f ucked with because of the color of my skin

[DPalm]

well you guys are obviously white no offense...but you don't know who it is being black...i never been arrested or fucked up in any way...i just try to be normal like everyone else but still because im "Black and Young" i fit the fuckin "DESCRIPTION"

i never do anything wrong never still i get questioned just for being black...

so when you get hasseld for no reason your trying to tell me you wouldn't be pissed even tho they were lookin for a black male who was riding a GIXXER...and i was on a CBR...they said they ride bikes too...so don't they know the difference...??? well ya im just mad that i get f ucked with because of the color of my skin



Hey TeamJordan I get your drift but to be honest I ride a Harley and I couldn't tell ya one rice rocket:twofinger from another either(no offense to sport bike riders). Maybe these Officers really didn't know the difference.

Dan

[SickR6]

well you guys are obviously white no offense...but you don't know who it is being black...i never been arrested or fucked up in any way...i just try to be normal like everyone else but still because im "Black and Young" i fit the fuckin "DESCRIPTION"

i never do anything wrong never still i get questioned just for being black...

so when you get hasseld for no reason your trying to tell me you wouldn't be pissed even tho they were lookin for a black male who was riding a GIXXER...and i was on a CBR...they said they ride bikes too...so don't they know the difference...??? well ya im just mad that i get f ucked with because of the color of my skin

Man i can't say i know how it feels because im not black but i do notice thru history black people have to put up with alot of peoples shit....that one guy who said you need to grow a set of balls is really insensitive i bet since hes from Nevada he doesn't know how life is for minorities ...not knowing cops will make excuses to take black people to jail...2strokeYardSale is his name...yea he doesn't know shit about how it is he just needs to shut the fuck up...i hear you TeamJordan....i wish it was equal for all of us

[}Dragon{]

First off i know my rights and i do have balls im black they won't even fit in your mouth FUCKIN HOE!

:Popcorn

[Psychochik]

First off i know my rights and i do have balls im black they won't even fit in your mouth FUCKIN HOE!

Man i can't say i know how it feels because im not black but i do notice thru history black people have to put up with alot of peoples shit....that one guy who said you need to grow a set of balls is really insensitive i bet since hes from Nevada he doesn't know how life is for minorities ...not knowing cops will make excuses to take black people to jail...2strokeYardSale is his name...yea he doesn't know shit about how it is he just needs to shut the fuck up...i hear you TeamJordan....i wish it was equal for all of us

:rolleyes

Are you guys like 12 ?!?! :|

Grow up a lil and come back with valid arguements and not childish antics.

[CnDnMax]

they were lookin for a black male who was riding a GIXXER...and i was on a CBR...they said they ride bikes too...so don't they know the difference...??? well ya im just mad that i get fucked with because of the color of my skin

Yeah but did the person that called it in know the difference? For people that don't know sportbikes everything is a GSX-R because its one of the more well known bikes. Just like people call a personal watercraft Seedoos or jetski.
*Not saying what the officers did was reasonable or ok just stating that Descriptions aren't always accurate especially for brand names.

[YanaBanana]

Alright, guys, knock off the name-calling!! :shame

Time for some time-outs. :x

Yana:banana

[xshixy]

Ok maybe there is truth about they don’t know bikes. But now that the new motorcycle enforcement team is out there, it's getting stupid. There are 2 guys in it that have been harassing people and doing the same crap he mentioned, I saw them messing with 2 guys off Monterey RD just last week. Then We had one of our Guys get messed with by the same 2 guys but he took care of it real fast ask the questions of the officers, then gave them a business card to our lawyer and walked away. While we laughed then left but not before getting a nice 5 photos and badge numbers names and even the Lic number off there car. Seems they are going to try a pull some shady crap they should do it on the level and all. Bye the way yes our guy was black and the other 2 we saw earlier in the week were black to.

[2strokeYardSale]

but you don't know who it is being black
People who ride motorcycles, have a long history of unfair and illegal treatment and harassment by law enforcement. So we do know, at least a little bit, how it's like.

First off i know my rights and i do have balls im black they won't even fit in your mouth FUCKIN HOE!
Oh I see now, it was your conscious choice to give the officer your confidential personal information. You were aware he was invading your privacy (and that of your friends and associates), you knew you could be incriminating yourself, and you made the choice to forfeit your rights. And then you came and bitched about it on teh intrawebs. It all makes sense now.

[silversvs]

This thread is teetering on being closed.

Get back on topic, lose the personal attacks, and it can stay active.

[T-1 Thunder]

I got stopped once for matching the description of someone the cops were looking for. The officer was polite and didn't hassle me in any way. He even showed me the picture of the suspect. The resemblance of myself and the suspect was uncanny, so the officer was just doing his job. Sorry you had such a bad experience, but remember the bad cops are the exception not the rule.

And that's why I hate anyone that looks like me. I get an urge to attack them. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!! :laughing

First off i know my rights and i do have balls im black they won't even fit in your mouth FUCKIN HOE!

Oh lord.

well you guys are obviously white no offense...but you don't know who it is being black...

I am white. So now you should go back and read my first response to you where I was nice. No more nice to you. Sounds like you're about as ignorant as the cops that hassled you.

And for the record, I know what discrimination feels like.

When we came to this country from Germany, I didn't speak English. So all the kids thought we were RUSSIAN(we weren't). Cold war time, they called us Nazis and we had to throw down to hold ours. I fought with whites, blacks, and everybody in between. We escaped the Commies to come here and become good Americans. Yet we were treated like commies. At least you had the luxury to not have to learn another language while getting your ass kicked left and right.

:rolleyes

Are you guys like 12 ?!?! :|

Grow up a lil and come back with valid arguements and not childish antics.

Thank you. The best response yet.

[T-1 Thunder]

This thread is teetering on being closed.

Get back on topic, lose the personal attacks, and it can stay active.

With a title like this thread - I don't get why it's not deleted.
My thread about "big guy little dick" got deleted, and I was PRO-COPS.

:dunno

[xshixy]

So let me put this out there has anyone else in the area had this happen to them with these 2 LEO???

[wackyiraqi]

First off i know my rights and i do have balls im black they won't even fit in your mouth FUCKIN HOE!
I understand that this is a touchy subject, TeamJordan, and I'm sorry that you got hassled, but understand that the conversation here needs to stay civil.

I'm giving you a 7-day suspension for flaming, please see TOS Section 4.1.

You will continue to be victimized until you educate yourself about your rights and grow a set of balls.
7-day suspension for baiting, please see TOS Section 4.1.

You can both logout and continue to read this thread.

SickR6 and a couple of others, you're teetering on suspensions for flaming and baiting as well. Everyone please cool off and keep this conversation on track.

[SickR6]

well sorry and no im not 12...i just think its a lil unnecessery that the cops are normal people but once they put on their badges they think they're god...taking advantage of people just cause people fear not the cops but the consiquences of the legal system and all the crapy fees they will have to pay....i personally talked to TeamJordan and it appears he has been banned from BARF for a week...how much more punishment is he gonna receive....for doing nothin wrong

[Rel]

Some cops, yes, are badge heavy. It happens, but not all LEO's are that way. As for TeamJordons suspension, and him not doing anything wrong, I'd suggest reading the TOS. Wacki laid it out pretty clearly.

well sorry and no im not 12...i just think its a lil unnecessery that the cops are normal people but once they put on their badges they think they're god...taking advantage of people just cause people fear not the cops but the consiquences of the legal system and all the crapy fees they will have to pay....i personally talked to TeamJordan and it appears he has been banned from BARF for a week...how much more punishment is he gonna receive....for doing nothin wrong

[SickR6]

too T-1 Thunder....TeamJordan apologizes about the white statement...he didn't mean it like that...he should have said you guys are not black...he just is flusterated by it all

[enki]

If you are not sure they are on the up and up, you are within your rights to ask to see a supervisor or Sgt.

[T-1 Thunder]

too T-1 Thunder....TeamJordan apologizes about the white statement...he didn't mean it like that...he should have said you guys are not black...he just is flusterated by it all

Hey man, I understand how frustrating it can be. Yes, there are some cops out there that used to get beat up by their sister and now it's their turn to have some power. But PLEASE believe me - that's a huge minority of them.

I've met a lot of cops, have friends on the force, and the overwhelming majority of them are good folks with good intent. Don't let the few ruin the name for all.

And tell him it's all good. He got carried away with his emotions. Perhaps if the person that baited him got suspended first, he would not have felt the need to retort in a similar, uncivil fashion.

It takes a while to adjust to things on BARF, but you gotta have dicipline over your emotions, or else we're just as guilty as any "bad cop".

I would encourage you guys to follow up with SJPD and get to the bottom of this. Doing so you may help protect the rest of us from what could potentially be some folks impersonating cops, or at the very least hint at improvement for standards of professionalism.

Good luck.:thumbup

[}Dragon{]

TeamJordan- (I know you are on BARF vacation- but send me a PM if you need to vent) :


If the cops were out of line- make a formal complaint.


Keep in mind, there are two sides to every story and most cops tape record their conversations.

[motorman4life]

A great ending to a sad thread.

To the OP: What you described, as you described it, should not have happened. I have worked undercover and in uniform for over 20 years and so long as the person I was dealing with kept their cool, I have always been cool with them.. everyone from jaywalkers to child molesters, from seatbelt violators to cop killers.

As suggested previously, you should follow-up on this and file a complaint if you feel your treatment was outside the stated goals of the agency they represented or if you feel your rights were violated.

I have a sneaking suspicion these were not actually cops and you likely got punked. If that is (or is not) the case, you could verify that and possibly file a report for impersonating a police officer (146 PC) and/or unlawful detention under 146 PC .

Here is an article on the topic: http://www.ci.ceres.ca.us/weeklyarticle/20070801.html

Reference:
PC 146. Every public officer, or person pretending to be a public officer, who, under the pretense or color of any process or other legal authority, does any of the following, without a regular process or other lawful authority, is guilty of a misdemeanor:
(a) Arrests any person or detains that person against his or her will.
(b) Seizes or levies upon any property.
(c) Dispossesses any one of any lands or tenements.


PC 146a. (a) Any person who falsely represents himself or herself to be a deputy or clerk in any state department and who, in that assumed character, does any of the following is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six months, by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500), or both the fine and imprisonment:
(1) Arrests, detains, or threatens to arrest or detain any person.
(2) Otherwise intimidates any person.
(3) Searches any person, building, or other property of any person.
(4) Obtains money, property, or other thing of value.
(b) Any person who falsely represents himself or herself to be a public officer, investigator, or inspector in any state department and who, in that assumed character, does any of the following shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500), or by both that fine and imprisonment, or by imprisonment in the state prison:
(1) Arrests, detains, or threatens to arrest or detain any person.
(2) Otherwise intimidates any person.
(3) Searches any person, building, or other property of any person.
(4) Obtains money, property, or other thing of value.


PC 538d. (a) Any person other than one who by law is given the authority of a peace officer, who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses the authorized uniform, insignia, emblem, device, label, certificate, card, or writing, of a peace officer, with the intent of fraudulently impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently inducing the belief that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) (1) Any person, other than the one who by law is given the authority of a peace officer, who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses the badge of a peace officer with the intent of fraudulently impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently inducing the belief that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both
that imprisonment and fine.
(2) Any person who willfully wears or uses any badge that falsely purports to be authorized for the use of one who by law is given the authority of a peace officer, or which so resembles the authorized badge of a peace officer as would deceive any ordinary reasonable person into believing that it is authorized for the use of one who by law is given the authority of a peace officer, for the purpose of fraudulently impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently inducing the belief that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a
misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.
(c) Any person who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses, or who willfully makes, sells, loans, gives, or transfers to another, any badge, insignia, emblem, device, or any label, certificate, card, or writing, which falsely purports to be authorized for the use of one who by law is given the authority of a peace officer, or which so resembles the authorized badge, insignia, emblem, device, label, certificate, card, or writing of a peace officer as would deceive an ordinary reasonable person into believing that it is authorized for the use of one who by law is given the authority of a peace officer, is guilty of a misdemeanor, except that any person who makes or sells any badge under the circumstances described in this subdivision is subject to a fine not to exceed fifteen thousand dollars ($15,000).

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