RIP Officer Lozada-Tirado

[silversvs]

Sad :rose

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/22/dallas-officer-injured-in-crash-while-escorting-clinton-motorcade/

[Psychochik]

:rose Very sad.

[5MARY4]

Absoltely horrible

[masameet]

:rose Sr. Cpl. Victor Lozada-Tirado

This news video (http://video.nbc5i.com/player/?id=221356) shows the complete crash scene sans emergency vehicles. The last few seconds show the downed bike, its flashers still flashing red and blue.

(And I know this isn't the time or place, but I believe police depts. should provide moto LEOs with full-face helmets. For it certainly looks like Sr. Cpl. Lozada-Tirado could have used one today.)

[kawikz]

rip

[ceyounger]

RIP Officer Lozada

My wife and I are from the Dallas area and I've ridden with those guys into some really bad parts of town. Hell, Dallas officers taught me how to shoot! I hate to see a two-wheel brother in blue go down--especially from my home town.

[AceT100]

Very sad

[antarius]

RIP.

You are surely in a better place now.

[windrunner50]

RIP Officer :rip:rose:rose:rose

[saizai]

:(

At ~:43 left on the vid, it zooms in on what I guess is the skid path? Seems like a strange path for the motorcycle to go if it had just made a right hand turn at that intersection like the newsguy said. I'm confused how the officer lost control.

It does seem though (from the big splat of red next to the helmet) that he was killed mostly from head injury.

Which is sadder still, 'cause that was likely preventable.

[Rel]

Thank you for your service. RIP.

[5MARY4]

I just saw another video regarding the incident. The Officer was a 20 yr veteran. He had only been on motors for a month...

[silversvs]

No Monday morning quarterbacking please.

[5MARY4]

Nope,, none here. Just sayin how unfortunate it was..

[RolnCode3]

Very sad. RIP brother.

[}Dragon{]

:rip :rose

[JPM]

:(

At ~:43 left on the vid, it zooms in on what I guess is the skid path? Seems like a strange path for the motorcycle to go if it had just made a right hand turn at that intersection like the newsguy said. I'm confused how the officer lost control.

It does seem though (from the big splat of red next to the helmet) that he was killed mostly from head injury.

Which is sadder still, 'cause that was likely preventable.


Now as I have said in many RIP threads this is a place to express respects; otherwise keep you comments to yourself. If you want to discuss the circumstances about what and how it happened, start a new thread.


:flag:rip

[ckim34]

R.I.P

[jmillington]

RIP Officer Lozada-Tirado. God bless his family and friends.
:rose :rip :rose

[NorCalBusa]

What a terrible thing. I can't imagine what that man's family is going through, my heart goes out.

[Rel]

I think the news should be ashamed of the way they filmed, and brodcasted the collision scene. I would not want my family to find out that way....

[saizai]

Now as I have said in many RIP threads this is a place to express respects; otherwise keep you comments to yourself. If you want to discuss the circumstances about what and how it happened, start a new thread.

Fair enough.

RIP, sorry it happened, hope that fewer lives are lost in the future.

[wyoung8]

:rip My salute to Brother Lozada-Tirado.:rose

[YanaBanana]

:rip officer!! :rose


YanaBanana

[masameet]

Report says motorcycle cop couldn't negotiate curve
The Associated Press
Article Launched: 03/07/2008 11:13:34 AM PST

DALLAS—A Dallas motorcycle officer who was escorting Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton's motorcade crashed because he couldn't negotiate a curve, according to a final police report on the fatal accident.

Sr. Cpl. Victor Lozada Tirado was killed Feb. 22 when his motorcycle then clipped a curb and crashed into a guard rail while escorting the motorcade on its way to a Clinton appearance. Lozada was 49.

The report, released Friday, noted that Lozada's failure to drive in a single lane was a factor in him being thrown from his motorcycle on a viaduct near downtown. He was in the rear of the motorcade.

Speed was not listed as a factor.

Source: CoCo Times (http://www.contracostatimes.com/search/ci_8491063?IADID=Search-www.contracostatimes.com-www.contracostatimes.com)

[motorman4life]

No Monday morning quarterbacking please.

I don't think Monday Morning Quarterbacking should be done without all of the facts, but I believe if we do not examine and learn from this tragedy, we are doomed to repeat it.

If I am killed in the line of duty, I don't want it candy-coated or dismissed. I want EVERY officer to learn from MY fatal errors, so my loss will not be in vein. Similarly, if I do not make an effort to examine and learn from the mistakes of other officers, their loss was in vein and we are doomed to repeat their mistakes, likely with the same tragic results.

This goes for any type of situation; an accident, an ambush, any error in judgement or execution.

[silversvs]

I don't think Monday Morning Quarterbacking should be done without all of the facts, but I believe if we do not examine and learn from this tragedy, we are doomed to repeat it.

If I am killed in the line of duty, I don't want it candy-coated or dismissed. I want EVERY officer to learn from MY fatal errors, so my loss will not be in vein. Similarly, if I do not make an effort to examine and learn from the mistakes of other officers, their loss was in vein and we are doomed to repeat their mistakes, likely with the same tragic results.

This goes for any type of situation; an accident, an ambush, any error in judgement or execution.

Agreed.

My "no Monday morning quarterbacking" was directed at post #10 where saizai was calling the T/C "avoidable" from what he had seen on a news report.

With facts in hand it IS important to review what occurred, discuss it, and see if we should change or modify our tactics based on what occurred. This can be done internally with motor units. Not on an Internet forum.

[motorman4life]

With facts in hand it IS important to review what occurred, discuss it, and see if we should change or modify our tactics based on what occurred. This can be done internally with motor units. Not on an Internet forum.
As a police officer, I agree. As a motorcyclist, I disagree. If there is something we can all learn from what happened, then we should all be able to discuss what was done and what we all can do to avoid becoming a victim of whatever it was.

Not that this is the case in this instance, but if someone (police officer or civilian rider) washes out their front tire (which is a pretty common error for new and experienced riders alike), I believe that should not be something that is shared only among LEO riders. Low or excessive front tire pressure, poor surface appraisal, locking the front wheel while in a lean.. all may have well have been a primary or associated factor. Whatever the cause, we could and should all learn from this tragedy and employ what we learn to avoid being a statistic. Failing to do so would be the greatest tragedy.

[windrunner50]

RIP:rose:rose:rose

[saizai]

silversvs - FWIW, my comment about avoidability was intended to be in reference to stuff as in e.g. the current 'why don't officers wear armor' thread. I.e. I presume that he (like most motor officers) had insufficient armor & helmeting; the picture showed probable severe head trauma; and that kind of injury could possibly have been prevented (by better equipment).

It was not intended as any comment about his behavior as a rider per se; that would be inappropriate given the lack of information about how it happened. (All I said about that was that I was confused how it happened, going from the evidence visible in the picture.)

FWIW re analysis: analyze your own mistakes privately, if you think the things they are analyzing are secret. (E.g. SWAT room clearing tactics) The rest of us don't need to learn how to do room clearing better and probably don't have much to contribute to the conversation. (Though you would be well served to have that conversation on, say, a forum for all SWAT officers nationwide.)

But if they aren't - e.g. how not to crash on a motorcycle - then please share so that the rest of us, who are doing those same things, can try to learn also. IOW, I agree with MM4L per usual.

You might be interested in looking at "M&M conferences" for doctors as a parallel. (Morbidity & Mortality) What they do is basically discuss, very bluntly, how they killed or maimed a patient through their fuckups... and how not to do it again.

Again, no disrespect whatsoever intended to y'all or to the fallen officer.

I'd just like there to be fewer like him.