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Red-light runners' appeal rejected

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Red-light runners' appeal rejected

Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, June 14, 2008

(06-13) 17:50 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- Drivers who were cited for running red lights after being caught on camera lost a challenge to their tickets Friday when a state appeals court upheld a system used by San Francisco and other cities that gave the camera-installing company a share of each fine.

The state Legislature has prohibited the fee arrangement since 2004 and requires cities to pay the contractors a flat rate for their work. But the Fourth District Court of Appeal in San Diego found nothing wrong with the former system, in which cities reimbursed the contractor a certain amount, often $60 or $70, for each violation that led to a fine.

Ticketed drivers who challenged the fee system in San Francisco, San Diego, Los Angeles and elsewhere argued that it invited abuse because the contractor, a company called ACS State and Local Solutions, had an incentive to inflate the number of citations to increase its revenue. But the court said each city, not the contractor, controlled the citation system.

Both ACS and the cities had a stake in catching as many red-light violators as possible, the court said. But it added, "That is not inherently sinister when the contracts gave the municipalities exclusive discretion to decide whether to issue citations and exclusive prosecutorial authority."

The ruling upheld a Superior Court judge's decision after a nonjury trial in 2006.

Brian Burchett, a lawyer for the drivers, said the notion that city police departments examine each photo and decide when to issue citations is an illusion.

"There's no way the cops have enough time to look at these and make closely informed decisions," he said. In San Francisco, Burchett said, "The extent of police involvement was rubber-stamping the decisions" by ACS.

Not so, said Deputy City Attorney Vince Chhabria.

"The evidence showed that San Francisco officials monitored the system carefully and maintained final decision-making authority," Chhabria said. Unlike some cities, he added, San Francisco has the sole authority to pick the intersections where cameras are installed.

San Francisco was one of the first cities in California to place cameras at dangerous intersections, and now uses them to monitor about two dozen locations. A report last year by the city Department of Parking and Traffic found that injury collisions caused by red-light runners had declined from 773 in 1998, the year after the first cameras were installed, to 374 in 2006.

The cameras, marked by signs at intersections, are linked to sensors in the pavement. ACS reviews the photos, using criteria from the city for violations, gets the names of vehicle owners from the state, sends its records to the city for evaluation and mails citations to drivers.

The fine statewide for running a red light is $380.

Drivers who filed the lawsuits in more than a dozen cities starting in 2001 sought reimbursement for all red-light fines in their communities for a period of up to four years. They contended the cities had improperly turned over law enforcement duties to a private company.

"We don't want private law enforcement," Burchett said. "We want trained, duly deputized law enforcement officers, people who don't have a financial interest in what happens."

But the appeals court said the accusations were unfounded. The evidence showed that ACS would rather have been paid a flat rate, but the cities insisted on tying payments to violations to limit their financial risks and give the company an incentive to perform efficiently, the court said. It also said there was no evidence that the disputed fee system led to more tickets being issued.

"ACS did not act as a prosecutor," Justice Judith McConnell wrote in the 3-0 ruling. Although the company maintained the cameras, she said, "police departments were required to review all of ACS's work and make the final decisions on whether there was probable cause to issue citations."

The appeals court's ruling may be read at:

www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/D048882.PDF
 
They provided and installed the systems. There's no need for the unethical kickbacks. Fines are supposed to go towards improving roads, etc, not padding the pockets of private corporations.

Another of the many reasons why San Francisco sucks.
 
Hmmm...I'd have to check, but this was a 4th District decision. I dont believe it *must* be adhered to by the rest of the Districts in CA....I believe the other courts could use it as precedent if they wanted to, but I dont believe they must....if it were a CA Supreme Court decision of court it would be the rule for all of CA.
 
I know in my area, each and every citation mailed out is individually reviewed by a police officer.. either an active full-time officer or a retired part-time officer that is retained on a contract. In both cases, the officers have no incentive to push through bad tickets. Their reputation is based upon prosecuting clear and essentially "indisputable" violations. If there is a question, they will error on the side of dumping the cite.. they have lots to choose from and they only put through the "cream of the crop" in order to maintain the integrity of the system in the eyes of the court.

YMMV.
 
As long as automated traffic enforcement camera tapes are reviewed by a sworn LEO for accuracy before a citation is issued I'm ok with the process.

The premise in the complaint is that the camera company has a vested/controlling interest in issuing more tickets to generate more revenues does not pan out if a separate and authorized organization like LEO's are reviewing the tapes and making the decision to issue or not issue a citation.
 
Let me be frank about where the whole problem is in the automated red-light enforcement... if the local agency allows the private company to essentially get a kick back (profit) from each ticket, then the company is going to whatever they can to increase violations to get the most profit from one installation before moving the whole set-up to another location.

If the company is the one choosing the locations and/or if the company is determining the appropriate durations for the signals (and/or more specifically, if they have the ability to modify the duration of the yellow signal), then in my opinion, it is "rigged" and unfair.

Even with cops verifying each violation, if the company is making the above decisions, it is wrong and is essentially nothing more than a revenue generation scam.

The cops and city traffic engineers should be selecting the locations and the signal durations should NOT be modified. Period.

Union City got their tits in a wringer over the above listed issues.. all of which were a factor in a judge ordering the return of over $300k in fines and the voiding of all citations issued through their new program.
 
I don't like it. Traffic divisions should be the ones issuing citations. Unfortunately, red light runners has gotten to be such a serious problem that drastic measures had to be taken.
 
If the company is the one choosing the locations and/or if the company is determining the appropriate durations for the signals (and/or more specifically, if they have the ability to modify the duration of the yellow signal), then in my opinion, it is "rigged" and unfair.

The camera company is able to dynamically control, vary or "rig" the duration of the yellow signal?

If yes then that would be unfair and a conspiracy to falsely increase citations/revenues.
 
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The camera company is able to dynamically control, vary or "rig" the duration of the yellow signal?

If yes then that would be unfair and a conspiracy to falsely increase citations/revenues.

That is exactly what the Alameda County court held in the Union City case. The company picked the location (which was suggested and/or approved by the cops) and set up the equipment (at their expense), then they had full reign over how the signals operated.. it was assumed they would operate within the UTC (uniform traffic code) guidelines and I believe they presented evidence that they were within the guidelines, but there is a lot of wiggle room there!

Essentially, with any intersection, over a period of time you will see violations drop if there is increased enforcement. In this case, in a short time the violations dropped from the "anticipated" volume to almost nil. Well, by tinkering with the duration of the cycles (even the order the lights cycled), they found the volume of violations increased... Yes, they were legit violations that could be shown/proven in court.. but, they were manipulating the timing of the lights to increase the incidents of violations.

Think about it.. if you ratchet back the duration of the yellow signal by 1/10th of a second and you see an obvious rise in violations.. well, it does not take too much imagination to figure out how to change the length of the green and yellow signals too.. all to raise profits.. not to increase safety.

To me, it is criminal. That is why I don't think these contractors should have the ability to modify the cycles or duration of signals. That and the locations for cameras should be based on crash stats. Period.
 
Let me be frank about where the whole problem is in the automated red-light enforcement... if the local agency allows the private company to essentially get a kick back (profit) from each ticket, then the company is going to whatever they can to increase violations to get the most profit from one installation before moving the whole set-up to another location.
That was one of the conclusions in this decision. The court did not see a problem with that.

Ticketed drivers who challenged the fee system in San Francisco, San Diego, Los Angeles and elsewhere argued that it invited abuse because the contractor, a company called ACS State and Local Solutions, had an incentive to inflate the number of citations to increase its revenue. But the court said each city, not the contractor, controlled the citation system.

Both ACS and the cities had a stake in catching as many red-light violators as possible, the court said. But it added, "That is not inherently sinister when the contracts gave the municipalities exclusive discretion to decide whether to issue citations and exclusive prosecutorial authority."
In the hypothetical sense I see cause for concern. But if the agency isn't allowing bad tickets to be pushed through, I don't see a problem with a per-ticket payment basis. As the article also states, the company wanted a flat rate, but the cities wanted per-ticket.
 
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In the hypothetical sense I see cause for concern. But if the agency isn't allowing bad tickets to be pushed through, I don't see a problem with a per-ticket payment basis. As the article also states, the company wanted a flat rate, but the cities wanted per-ticket.
I could sit and view violations and it is like viewing the Rodney King video (or most police use of force videos), if you don't know or see what lead up to it, it is easy to draw the conclusion that there is a clear violation. If the yellow is set at the LONGEST duration acceptable for a period of time and the red is extended, people become conditioned to going to 1) avoid the LONG red and 2) they have learned that the yellow is long because they have stopped on the yellow and sat there thinking.. "shit, I could have made that light!" Then, without warning, they change the yellow to the SHORTEST durration acceptable (within the standards) and BAM! Violations go through the roof!

Essentially, that was what was PROVEN to have occurred in Union City. The court was appauled and ruled that as long as the company had control over manipulating the signal cycles and durations and their profits were directly linked to the # of violations, then the cites were bogus.. even if each one appeared to be a legit violation that was reviewed by the police.
 
Essentially, that was what was PROVEN to have occurred in Union City. The court was appauled and ruled that as long as the company had control over manipulating the signal cycles and durations and their profits were directly linked to the # of violations, then the cites were bogus.. even if each one appeared to be a legit violation that was reviewed by the police.
So how do these two cases play against each other? They've basically taken the exact opposite view of the same issue.
 
So how do these two cases play against each other? They've basically taken the exact opposite view of the same issue.

I believe that the claim is that no such control was provided to the company in San Francisco. They didn't pick the intersections and they didn't set the timing. The city selected where the cameras go, the city engineers set the timing of the lights, and SFPD had final say on the issuance of every ticket. This in contrast to Union City, where the system was entirely run by the company, and when I say system, I mean the entire intersection and not just the camera system.

It's a fine line, but it's a critical one. The key, I think, is in motivation. The primary motivation of a private company is to make money. The motivation is internal. If you provide a way to make money that is unethical, but legal, some company will take it. On the other hand, the motivator for the police comes from the community. The motivation is an external one.
 
What you say may be true (it's past my bedtime).

But one court said it was OK that the company be paid on a per-ticket basis. Another court said it was NOT OK that the company be paid on a per-ticket basis.

The facts surrounding the rest of the cases are different, such as who picks where the cameras are, and the setting of timing and cycling - agreed.
 
What are the rules or allowable parameters for the duration of the yellow signal light?

Minimum of 3 seconds? Maximum of...?

Would be nice if we could count on all yellow signals having a common duration.
 
What are the rules or allowable parameters for the duration of the yellow signal light?

Minimum of 3 seconds? Maximum of...?

Would be nice if we could count on all yellow signals having a common duration.

I once heard (how's that for a vague cite?) that yellows were timed to be 1 second per 10 MPH of speed limit - so a stop light on a street with a 45 MPH limit would have a yellow of 4.5 seconds.
 
At least they have signs here in california warning you of the cameras. Most places you have no advance warning aside from looking out for that box.
 
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