LEO questions....answered!

[Brash47]

OK folks,
After posting a few times, you guys know I'm a cop. I have had a few private messages asking some specific questions. I have read posts regarding all kinds of traffic questions. It seems that there is alot of confusion out there as to what are traffic laws, insurance laws, and basic law violations.

If you have a question, feel free to ask. Don't always expect a FAST reply from me, but one within a day I can do....since I don't log on 24/7.

I will try to answer as many questions as possible, but please, make them serious, and don't use it as a cop bashing forum.

I have 12 years in the business, I'm not the ALL KNOWING person about this stuff, but, if I don't know the answer, I know where to find it!

So, feel free if you do need a question answered. I will not purposely be harsh if thats what happens, but I don't hold punches either....I'm not here to make you feel better, but I will answer your question HONESTLY.

I ask only one thing first...

If you have a question, research it here first, then, if you can't answer it, I'll try and help. THIS IS THE BEST SITE FOR ANSWERING YOUR LEGAL QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO WHAT THE LAW SAYS...

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html

its really easy to use. So, happy code hunting!

brash

[V4]

so which do you guys really like: Krespy Kremes or Rolling Pin..? :teeth

Welcome to BARF and thanks for all the infos provided....:thumbup

[Brash47]

KK of course!

brash

sheesh, what kind of question was that.....that and the smooth blend coffee they have there....ugh...thought that was common knowledge!!!!

brash

[silversvs]

Brash,

Nice to see ya lay put the welcome mat. Be prepared though, a lot of times they don't like the answers. A lot of other officers on the board 10-36, and its fun to see the replies come in.

How ya like that SV1000? Have ya checked out norcalsvriders.com? Get on the mailing list with us. Lots of great people and technical info.

[Max Smiley]

:welcome

barf welcomes you too Brash47
we have lots of questions time to time
or simply need clarification of the law
thank you in advance :)

ps. who are the better riders, locals or CHP
hehehe :p

[skater1on1]

haha this is goin to be awesome glad to have a LEO on board

[R1Ru]

Originally posted by silversvs
A lot of other officers on the board 10-36.

So what does 10-36 mean. Stop the cop jive and talk barf.:teeth

Don't you have a badge also silversvs:confused

[silversvs]

Originally posted by R1Ru
So what does 10-36 mean. Stop the cop jive and talk barf.:teeth

Don't you have a badge also silversvs:confused

Anthony, 10-36 is the code for "confidential."

There's lots of cops on this board, but few who readily admit it. Yes I do have a nice shiny badge. Took a long time before I was comfortable enough to speak of my profession on this board. There have been some pretty blatant cop bashing threads here, but mostly I think cops are respected, but their job/mission is misunderstood.

When we going riding?

[m83eric]

i have respects for cops and i hope to become one someday.

thumbs up for you ppl! =o)

[crow]

Cool!!

So.. is it really illegal to ride with one hand on the bars?

If someone is signalling to make a right and you're coming out of a driveway, and they decide to go straight instead and hit you, whose fault is it?

Oh.. do you have a police trading card that I can have? :D

[engineboy]

You all have a job to do :thumbup

Thanks for posting up and offering your knowledge, Im sure you will be busy answering questions around here. :laughing

Do you ride on duty also :confused

[SpeedyCorky]

is it legal to make a U turn at a stop light (when green, duh) unless otherwise posted?

is it legal to make a u turn in the middle of a 4 way stop sign intersection?

if road A is a culdasack (spelling?) at one end, and at the other end intersects with road B and does not continue thru road B going straight. road B is a straight steet that runs perpindicular to road A and both these roads connect via an uncontrolled intersection - who has right of way? (i'd assume road A beacuse they are not turning and road B people have to to get off of road B and to get onto their only option (road B)

if pulled over, and there is no reasonable suspicion that the subject has a weapon, is it legal to search the vehicle of the suspect? is it legal to search the trunk? or a locked glove box?

[Max Smiley]

don't the various agencies all use different 10 codes too? so one translation might not match another. that's gotta' drive you crazy.

I'm 10-97 to the fridge for an ice cream sandwich, then 7 on the side. :p

[Jig]

How does a CHP patrol car get your speed if you are behind them?

[Sidewalk]

Okay, then how about a LEO post up the real deal on splitting traffic. I have heard a million things, but I go by the one I have heard proof of. And that is you can share lanes, that is it. There are no other laws regarding splitting traffic, so the laws regarding reckless driving are applied.

[TheRobSJ]

I've got a question, since I got reminded of it in the other thread. Why does every cop think that it helps the driver's mood in the slightest bit after they get that ticket and the small lecture about being safe...that they have to say, "Have a nice day." The chances of that ended the instant we got handed the magic yellow slip of paper.

[R1Ru]

Originally posted by silversvs
Anthony, 10-36 is the code for "confidential."

There's lots of cops on this board, but few who readily admit it. Yes I do have a nice shiny badge. Took a long time before I was comfortable enough to speak of my profession on this board. There have been some pretty blatant cop bashing threads here, but mostly I think cops are respected, but their job/mission is misunderstood.

When we going riding?


PM me and let me know when you ride. I usualy ride on Sundays.

[donoman]

This has always bewildered me.

Say there is an intersection. 3 lanes.
The left lane is left turn only. The right lane is right turn only. The middle lane is right turn only.

I know the right lane can turn right after stopping on a red light.
Can the middle lane turn right after stopping on a red?


I never 'go' from the middle lane, but consistently get people honking at me to go. :teeth

[Bronto]

Do some tickets after being written up, never get turned into the courts ?

[Dougmo531]

Originally posted by Max Smiley
:ps. who are the better riders, locals or CHP
hehehe :p

The CHP of course! :teeth

[donoman]

Originally posted by Dougmo531
The CHP of course! :teeth

Come on Doug, you're not the typical CHP rider... at least i hope not :blush

[Iszlandsnow]

Okay so are you guys going to go on the Santa Clara Peace Officers Memorial run on 5-15-04 or what??

10-36? Im 10-12 dammit.

[ontherearwheel]

How come a cop can get out of a ticket because he is a cop?

[Diablo]

re:How does a CHP patrol car get your speed if you are behind them?
--------------------------------
1. Pacing, they can see your speed is consitent with yours and watch you in the rear view mirror.

2. Hawk radar whether they are still or moving front or rear, you're nailed.

3. Remote radar spotter/interceptor (speed trap) there are many config of this being used, Airplanes with ground units, radar spotter with ground units,
pulse radar cameras etc etc...

4. Time and Distance formula (have seen many tickets upheld using this)

Use of radar means the officer needs to be trained/certified on the use of radar and said roadway needs to be surveyed for radar use (will be posted as Radar enforced)

re:How come a cop can get out of a ticket because he is a cop?
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Professional courtesy, this and the fact that often, the officer won't offer the info....dispatch will usually come back with the reg info, "registration code 4 and current 10-32". That 10-32 cue is what tells the contact officer the info that whoever they have pulled over, is almost always a LEO.

I also know of many that don't offer the info and sign the ticket....

re:Have a nice day
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I also agree that the disposition of a traffic stop that ends with a citeation need to be tailored to that outcome.

If no cite then wish them a nice day, if cite needed, "drive safe" is more like it.

[ryanrs]

Reaching for the handy-dandy copy of the vehicle code I keep next to my bed.... BTW, I'm not kidding; it's at the front of my bookshelf. Given the number of traffic laws I break, it pays to study a bit.

Also, it's a really great deal. $3 gets you the complete Vehicle Code and an appendix that's sorta like a "California Codes: Greatest Hits". This appendix contains the best of the Penal Code, Health Code, etc. This organization makes a lot of sense. After all, if you break the Penal Code, it's likely to be a simple, 3 digit, "don't rob people" sort of law. On the other hand, traffic officers love giving out cites for 5-digit-and-3-subparagraph bullshit like making a left turn in a business district during school hours.

So here are your answers:

crow:
one hand on the bars:
I know there is something in the vehicle code about carrying packages, but I can't find it. From previous readings, I believe there is no law against one hand (or no hands) riding, except when holding a package. Reckless driving and other laws may apply.

SpeedyCorky:
U turn at a stop light & U turn at a 4-way stop sign:
Both are allowed fron the leftmost lane.

[traffic signals are lights, traffic devices are signs]
22100.5. No driver shall make a U-turn at an intersection
controlled by official traffic signals except as provided in Section
21451, and then only from the far lefthand lane that is lawfully
available to traffic moving in the direction of travel from which the
turn is commenced. No driver shall make a U-turn at an intersection
controlled by official traffic control devices except from the far
lefthand lane that is lawfully available to traffic moving in the
direction of travel from which the turn is commenced.

21451. (a) A driver facing a circular green signal shall proceed
straight through or turn right or left or make a U-turn unless a sign
prohibits a U-turn. Any driver, including one turning, shall yield
the right-of-way to other traffic and to pedestrians lawfully within
the intersection or an adjacent crosswalk.
(b) A driver facing a green arrow signal, shown alone or in
combination with another indication, shall enter the intersection
only to make the movement indicated by that green arrow or any other
movement that is permitted by other indications shown at the same
time. A driver facing a left green arrow may also make a U-turn
unless prohibited by a sign. A driver shall yield the right-of-way
to other traffic and to pedestrians lawfully within the intersection
or an adjacent crosswalk.


Unnecessarily complicated question about ROW at an T intersection:
Driver on the through road has right-of-way.

21800. (a) The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection
shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle which has entered the
intersection from a different highway.
(b) (1) When two vehicles enter an intersection from different
highways at the same time, the driver of the vehicle on the left
shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on his or her immediate
right, except that the driver of any vehicle on a terminating highway
shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle on the intersecting
continuing highway.
(2) For the purposes of this section, "terminating highway" means
a highway which intersects, but does not continue beyond the
intersection, with another highway which does continue beyond the
intersection.

donoman:
Right on red from a middle lane.
Legal from any lane.

21453. (a) A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall
stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering the
crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then
before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an
indication to proceed is shown, except as provided in subdivision
(b).(b) Except when a sign is in place prohibiting a turn, a driver,
after stopping as required by subdivision (a), facing a steady
circular red signal, may turn right, or turn left from a one-way
street onto a one-way street. A driver making that turn shall yield
the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within an adjacent crosswalk
and to any vehicle that has approached or is approaching so closely
as to constitute an immediate hazard to the driver, and shall
continue to yield the right-of-way to that vehicle until the driver
can proceed with reasonable safety.

[EastBayDave]

what would be the penalty for say.....186mph ?

[Tom2]

Originally posted by Max Smiley

I'm 10-97 to the fridge for an ice cream sandwich, then 7 on the side. :p [/B]

10-97 = arrived on scene... :laughing

[fried_tofu]

mojoed accordingly! :thumbup :thumbup

[V4]

What hairspray do most cops use...?

Seems like their hair never move out of place while on duty.....:laughing

[mud]

Originally posted by Jig
How does a CHP patrol car get your speed if you are behind them?

CHP cars have both front- and rear-facing radar. If you get close to a CHP car, you'll a small black tube with a grey-white cap pointing backwards.

[awgeezdawn]

got some great questions here you guys :nerd

[jlhopwo]

What do you think of this visor guide?

http://ticketassassin.com/visorguide.html

Are these legitate CVC quotes, i.e. " Then can I assume this is a SPEED TRAP by definition of VC 40802 and that your "evidence" is illegal by VC40803?"

[mud]

Originally posted by jlhopwo
What do you think of this visor guide?

http://ticketassassin.com/visorguide.html

Are these legitate CVC quotes, i.e. " Then can I assume this is a SPEED TRAP by definition of VC 40802 and that your "evidence" is illegal by VC40803?"

FWIW, I realize it's a minor point, but...my understanding (based upon the actual DMV form) is that the DMV does not issue anything for a change of address. Instead, the change of address form instructs drivers to write or print their new address on a small piece of paper, sign it, and keep it with the DL.

If anyone likes or needs proof, I'll dig up the DMV form and post it.

Screw it: DMV 14 (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/dmv/dmv14.htm)

[PhaTeLeSS]

my traffic school teacher told me making a U turn in the middle of the street against a double yellow is legal because there is nothing against it in the code (providing it is safe to do so)

[Dar25]

Thanks for offering to answer some questions.

What could you tell us about 11-99 foundation.

Also, does the cop have to provide you with radar reading upon your request (when he is writing a ticket based on it).
Im wondering how can you trust what he says he saw if he declines to show you the reading.

Thanks in advance!

[MeisI]

I got a question... Is there any truth to the myth about CHP quota's, thus explaining the (appearance of an) increase of tickets at the end of the month?

[faz]

Brash, and the rest of the LEO gang on BARF...

if you hang out here for a while you will realize that most people here are appreciative of what you do out there. we all have had a ticket or two here and there that we thought we didn't deserve, and accordingly got pissed off about it. But, you will see that cop bashing is not something that majority of BARF is into. In fact, if you have time, do a few searches and read some of the older posts to get a general feel for how cops are viewed by majority of BARF.

I think all that most people here would ask for is a little bit of logical toleration from you and your coworkers. Keep up the good work. :thumbup

[fawndog]

Originally posted by MeisI
I got a question... Is there any truth to the myth about CHP quota's, thus explaining the (appearance of an) increase of tickets at the end of the month?

No, they get none of that money.

[fawndog]

Originally posted by Dar25
Thanks for offering to answer some questions.

What could you tell us about 11-99 foundation.

Also, does the cop have to provide you with radar reading upon your request (when he is writing a ticket based on it).
Im wondering how can you trust what he says he saw if he declines to show you the reading.

Thanks in advance!

http://www.chp1199.org/INDEX2.HTM

[cleoent]

great thread!

[Critter]

Why do officers deny "Racial Profiling!!!

[silversvs]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
I've got a question, since I got reminded of it in the other thread. Why does every cop think that it helps the driver's mood in the slightest bit after they get that ticket and the small lecture about being safe...that they have to say, "Have a nice day." The chances of that ended the instant we got handed the magic yellow slip of paper.

If I give a warning (which is about 85% of the time) I also give a little lecture on why I stopped 'em and how they can avoid being stopped in the future. Then at the end they get the typical have a nice day or something similar.

If I issue a ticket, I typically spend a few minutes explaining why I gave the ticket and what the process is for traffic school, fighting it in court, or simply paying the fine. By taking a few minutes to explain these things, most (by no means all) drivers actually end up thanking me for the ticket. I typically end the conversation by asking them to drive carefully.

If its a motorcycle rider that I have stopped I usually end up chatting about bikes and forget why I pulled them over.:laughing

[silversvs]

Originally posted by DarkRider
Why do officers deny "Racial Profiling!!!

Because all the cops I know don't do it. We do "criminal profiling" which means that based on our observations and experience we can articulate that the person we are looking at has been invovled in a crime, is involved in a crime, or is about to be involved in a crime. If we can clearly articulate that based on the facts at hand we can contact that individual and detain him/her long enough to prove or disprove their criminal involvement. There's no correlation between race and criminal involvement that I am aware of, so race does not play a part in criminal profiling.

[silversvs]

Originally posted by SpeedyCorky
if pulled over, and there is no reasonable suspicion that the subject has a weapon, is it legal to search the vehicle of the suspect? is it legal to search the trunk? or a locked glove box?

No. But there are many ways to make it legal. Asking for consent is the easiest way.

[silversvs]

Your turn Brash:flag

[tgranted]

I hope you're around if I get pulled over :laughing

[Owensdad]

Great thread fellas, thanks for posting.

Be safe out there.

[scootergmc]

So I'm cruising 10-8 and observe a 23103 motorcyclist. I go 11-95, and run a 27 and 29 on the rider after everything is code 4. Find out rider is 12500 and has a 10-29f out of Alameda for 10851 VC and another 10-29m for FTA. Low and behold, after running a 10-28 on the bike, it comes back as stolen. I have dispatch confirm the 10-29s, request an 11-85 and go 10-15. Another bike recovered. What a fantasy world I live in....:teeth

[silversvs]

Originally posted by scootergmc
So I'm cruising 10-8 and observe a 23103 motorcyclist. I go 11-95, and run a 27 and 29 on the rider after everything is code 4. Find out rider is 12500 and has a 10-29f out of Alameda for 10851 VC and another 10-29m for FTA. Low and behold, after running a 10-28 on the bike, it comes back as stolen. I have dispatch confirm the 10-29s, request an 11-85 and go 10-15. Another bike recovered. What a fantasy world I live in....:teeth

Then you're en route SRJ with your 10-15. You get him express booked based on his bad attitude. You spend the next three hours writing your paper. Get back out on the beat and see the same turd walking down the street. SRJ cited him and the DAs office is only gonna give him double secret probation with an S7. That's the real world. :cry

[adamsix]

Originally posted by silversvs
Then you're en route SRJ with your 10-15. You get him express booked based on his bad attitude. You spend the next three hours writing your paper. Get back out on the beat and see the same turd walking down the street. SRJ cited him and the DAs office is only gonna give him double secret probation with an S7. That's the real world. :cry


I'm hungry..What's for code-7

[scootergmc]

Originally posted by silversvs
Then you're en route SRJ with your 10-15. You get him express booked based on his bad attitude. You spend the next three hours writing your paper. Get back out on the beat and see the same turd walking down the street. SRJ cited him and the DAs office is only gonna give him double secret probation with an S7. That's the real world. :cry

No, the real world is:

While 10-15 you get notified via MDT SRJ is overpop and will be unable to book. You're ordered to cite w/ date to appear on which date you know the dude will FTA. After doing paper, it's returned 4 weeks later by your Sgt because the DA wants a supplemental reclarifying the reasons said dirtbag was cited and not booked at SRJ. Later, while on a 98 with your buddies at the local KK, you notice the dirtbag putting special sauce into your latte, wherefore you have to scratch another establishment off your "safe places to eat" list.

[deaconblues]

yanno, as long as this stays in this whole Q&A tone, I'd think a sticky is in order.

[fawndog]

Originally posted by scootergmc
No, the real world is:

While 10-15 you get notified via MDT SRJ is overpop and will be unable to book. You're ordered to cite w/ date to appear on which date you know the dude will FTA. After doing paper, it's returned 4 weeks later by your Sgt because the DA wants a supplemental reclarifying the reasons said dirtbag was cited and not booked at SRJ. Later, while on a 98 with your buddies at the local KK, you notice the dirtbag putting special sauce into your latte, wherefore you have to scratch another establishment off your "safe places to eat" list.

The real reason you guys lay low

[Tom2]

Originally posted by scootergmc
So I'm cruising 10-8 and observe a 23103 motorcyclist. I go 11-95, and run a 27 and 29 on the rider after everything is code 4. Find out rider is 12500 and has a 10-29f out of Alameda for 10851 VC and another 10-29m for FTA. Low and behold, after running a 10-28 on the bike, it comes back as stolen. I have dispatch confirm the 10-29s, request an 11-85 and go 10-15. Another bike recovered. What a fantasy world I live in....:teeth


on your way to earning a 10851 pin!

[Razel]

Originally posted by adamsix
I'm hungry..What's for code-7 Nuttin'. Everyone knows that dispatch understands Code-7 to mean "I'm bored and need something to do". What everyone else knows Code-7 to be is irrelevant.

:teeth

[tamothy]

my scooter was stolen, does law enforcements make any extra efforts to help recover my scooter? As in, would they check license plate numbers of scooters that match the description of what was stolen?
Or do they simply go on with regulating traffic and just examining suspcious vehicles?
this question can apply to bikes and cars too

[squid vicious]

Originally posted by PhaTeLeSS
my traffic school teacher told me making a U turn in the middle of the street against a double yellow is legal because there is nothing against it in the code (providing it is safe to do so)

I know for a fact that is illegal. I got nailed for it on Santa Rita rd. You may only cross a double yellow to enter a driveway. Not to pass, not to make a u-turn, etc. ONLY to enter a driveway.

[Diablo]

re:I'm hungry..What's for code-7
--------------
Code 7 is the encrypted code for Code 5ing Krispy Creme establishments.

:teeth

re:being careful where you eat.....

I stick to the place where you can see the cook, middle person and cashier in plain sight....usually the good hole in the wall Mexican places.

[VTRweasel]

Originally posted by deaconblues
yanno, as long as this stays in this whole Q&A tone, I'd think a sticky is in order.


Ewwww, this thread is sticky :eek

thanks for posting guys :thumbup

go ped law anyone? I wanna ride my pocket bike to work :cry

[faz]

Originally posted by squid vicious
I know for a fact that is illegal. I got nailed for it on Santa Rita rd. You may only cross a double yellow to enter a driveway. Not to pass, not to make a u-turn, etc. ONLY to enter a driveway.

sorry, but you are not correct.

(Copy from DMV website: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs25thru29.htm#legalu )


Legal U-Turns

When you make a U-turn, you turn around and go back the way you came. Signal and then make the U-turn only from the far left lane on your side of the road. If the street has a center left turn lane, begin your U-turn in that lane.

You may make a U-turn:

Across a double yellow line, if the turn can be made safely and legally.


In a residential district:
if no vehicle approaching you is closer than 200 feet.
whenever a traffic sign or signal protects you from vehicles which are close.


At an intersection on a green light or green arrow unless a “No U-turn” sign is posted.


On a divided highway. Don’t drive over or across any dividing section, curb, or strip. This includes:
two sets of double lines marking a center divider unless an opening is provided for turns.
the unpaved median in the middle of the freeway.


Illegal U-Turns

Never make a U-turn on a highway by crossing a curb, or strip of land, or two sets of double lines.

You may not make a U-turn:

Where you cannot clearly see 200 feet in each direction because of a curve, hill, rain, fog, or other reason.
Where a “NO U-TURN” sign is posted.
When vehicles may hit you.
On a one-way street.
In front of a fire station. Never use a fire station driveway to turn around.
In a business district*, except at intersections or through openings in a concrete divider.

[deaconblues]

So, legal, but with qualifications. Santa Rita Rd... how many sets of double lines? Viewing distance? Signage?

(Bueller???)

[engineboy]

Originally posted by silversvs
If its a motorcycle rider that I have stopped I usually end up chatting about bikes and forget why I pulled them over.:laughing

:thumbup

[Hero]

Hello,
I just purchased this bike and am trying to register it to ride it on the street. Before the bike entered the state of California, it was owned and registered in New Jersey. So far, I have done everything, paid reg. fees, obtained a bill of sale, etc. The only thing that is left is the verification of vin number. The dmv was not able to find it. I've looked for one too and was not able to find it either. Is there anything I can do to complete the registration process?
Thanks,
Avi

[TheRobSJ]

I have another question.

It's been over 10 years now and I'm still bitter over this...

When I was in high school, I worked at McDonalds. The one on Capitol and Berryessa in San Jose, in case you're interested. The employee "discount" policy was 50% off, as long as you were working that day and it was within an hour before, after, or during lunch of your shift...oh and you had to eat it there. Yeah...thanks for nothing you fucking cheap ass franchise owner. Anyways. So here we are, making minimum wage. A whopping $4.25 an hour, and we work there and still have to pay...

Now a cop comes in. Maybe a group of cops. Be it, SJPD, CHP, or Santa Clara Sheriff deputies. They order whatever they want. Make no attempt or offer to pay for it. Instead they wait for the manager to come up to the front, stick their key in the register, and bing...no charge. Most of the time, they were on duty, but sometimes we'd even have one come through the drive through off duty ordering a shitload of food, flash his badge and expect a free meal for the whole family.

One time, I took a rookie cop's order, and he was reaching for his wallet. I was shocked! Then his TO, grabbed his arm and told him that "they are covered here."

Sure, I should gripe about the management too. Their own employees who barely get by have to pay, yet anyone with a badge gets treated like a fucking monarch there.

I thought businesses only paid "protection" to organizations like the mafia? The irony of all that freindly policies to keep cops in the lobby was that one time, there was a group of cops in the lobby eating and a bomb threat got called in to the Longs Drug across the street so they all hauled ass out of there, and 30 seconds later, the place got held up.

So...my point of this whole saga is, why do so many cops abuse their badge?

[silversvs]

Originally posted by VTRweasel
go ped law anyone? I wanna ride my pocket bike to work :cry

We discussed this in this thread http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69452&highlight=pocketbike

But here it is again.

My apologies up front for the long post.

A pocket bike is a motorcycle and not a motorized scooter. A motorized scooter is your basic Go-ped. Per CA vehicle code here are the definitions:

400. (a) A "motorcycle" is any motor vehicle having a seat or
saddle for the use of the rider, designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, and weighing less than 1,500 pounds.
(b) A motor vehicle that has four wheels in contact with the
ground, two of which are a functional part of a sidecar, is a
motorcycle if the vehicle otherwise comes within the definition of
subdivision (a).
(c) A motor vehicle that is electrically powered, has a maximum
speed of 45 miles per hour, and weighs less than 2,500 pounds, is a motorcycle if the vehicle otherwise comes within the definition of subdivision (a).
(d) A farm tractor is not a motorcycle.
(e) A three-wheeled motor vehicle that otherwise meets the
requirements of subdivision (a), has a partially or completely
enclosed seating area for the driver and passenger, is used by local public agencies for the enforcement of parking control provisions, and is operated at slow speeds on public streets, is not a motorcycle. However, a motor vehicle described in this subdivision shall comply with the applicable sections of this code imposing equipment installation requirements on motorcycles.


405. A "motor-driven cycle" is any motorcycle with a motor that
displaces less than 150 cubic centimeters. A motor-driven cycle does not include a motorized bicycle, as defined in Section 406.

407.5. (a) A "motorized scooter" is any two-wheeled device that has handlebars, is designed to be stood or sat upon by the operator, and is powered by an electric motor that is capable of propelling the device with or without human propulsion. For purposes of this section, a motorcycle, as defined in Section 400, a motor-driven cycle, as defined in Section 405, a motorized bicycle or moped, as defined in Section 406, or a toy, as defined in Section 108550 of the Health and Safety Code, is not a motorized scooter.
(b) A device meeting the definition in subdivision (a) that is
powered by a source other than electrical power is also a motorized scooter. (this gets the gas powered Go-peds covered)

Per the vehicle code you are required to have an M1 endorsement to operate a motorcycle on the roadway. Therefore to operate a pocket bike you must have an M1 endorsement.

(4) Class M1. Any two-wheel motorcycle or motor-driven cycle.
Authority to operate vehicles included in a class M1 license may be granted by endorsement on a class A, B, or C license upon completion of an appropriate examination.

If a pocket bike is deemed a motorcycle, then it falls under the authority of the registration section of 4000(a) and would need a plate, lights, mirrors etc to be street legal.

If I was to cite someone for riding a pocket bike I would likely go with 38026.5(b) VC which is the section for riding an off-highway vehicle on the roadway.

I’ve run into a number of folks riding or wanting to ride pocket bikes on the street. There seems to be that rumor/myth that they are legal to ride and fall under the “Go-ped” sections. In my opinion that is wrong, they are motorcycles.

As for Go-Peds

The gas powered skateboards/scooters are called "motorized scooters" and have very specific sections of the vehicle code. Here's a short list of sections that you will see violated daily by those riding Go-ped type motorized scooters:

21228(a) must drive on the right side of the roadway
21228(a)(2) when making a left turn, must dismount and walk scooter across street
21235(b) may not be operated on street with speed limit higher than 25MPH
21235(c) must wear a bicycle helmet (even adults)
21235(d) must be at least 16 years of age
21235(g) may not operate on sidewalks
22411 may not be operated at a speed greater than 15 MPH

There are a bunch of other sections, but these are the most frequently violated, and the most annoying to other drivers on the road.

I haven't even touched on the noise violations.

Hope this helps

[scootergmc]

... I worked at McDonalds

What kind of cops eat at McDonalds? I'll bet they were Brinks...

[GAMBLER]

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It's been over 10 years now and I'm still bitter over this...
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:laughing get over it for your own mental health:teeth :p

[Ed L.]

I've honestly checked the code for this one:

Do motorcyclists have to put a foot down (let alone two :p --physically impossible for me) when coming to a stop? When I checked the CA Vehicle Code, there was mention of bicyclists having to do it -- but no mention of motorcyclists. My balance is good enough that I can come to a full stop for a number of seconds with both feet still on the pegs.

I've never been called on it, but remember some poster here on barf saying that an officer brought it up with him (don't remember if he was cited for it though).

Thanks, good to see a LEO's perspective articulated on motorcycling issues.

Cheers

[Razel]

Originally posted by Ed L.
I've honestly checked the code for this one:

Do motorcyclists have to put a foot down (let alone two :p --physically impossible for me) when coming to a stop? When I checked the CA Vehicle Code, there was mention of bicyclists having to do it -- but no mention of motorcyclists. My balance is good enough that I can come to a full stop for a number of seconds with both feet still on the pegs.

...
Funny, the word "stop" doesn't appear to be defined in the code. Supposed to mean cessation of movment, according to various dictionaries, so maybe that's enough. If so, coming to a complete stop without putting your feet down is still a stop.

Further, the code specifies that you must stop behind the limit line in instances where there is one, but there's no definition of how far. So, if you come to a complete stop behind a car stopping at the limit line, you should be able to proceed behind the car through the intersection (Ha!). 1 foot? 3 feet? This must be defined somewhere, but the Calif. Vehicle Code doesn't seem to have it.
No wonder lawyers get paid so well...

[Iszlandsnow]

Originally posted by MeisI
I got a question... Is there any truth to the myth about CHP quota's, thus explaining the (appearance of an) increase of tickets at the end of the month?

Man if there was a quota id have my Ferrari by now. There is no such thing as a quota in Calfornia. We do not get any of the revenue generated for what little there is in the first place from issuing a citation.

[Iszlandsnow]

Originally posted by DarkRider
Why do officers deny "Racial Profiling!!!

Because we can. Like we can really tell what ethnicity a person is, let alone sex, if they are driving a car with black tinted windows of if thier seated low in the "g-homie" position.

You also have to notice the demographics of the city or area. The statistics of people getting pulled over is consistant with the demographics.

San Jose P.D. did a study a few years back on this. Visit thier website or go to thier City Hall for more information.

[Tom2]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Iszlandsnow
[B]Man if there was a quota id have my Ferrari by now.


I'd have two by now :teeth

[Razel]

Originally posted by Iszlandsnow
Man if there was a quota id have my Ferrari by now.

Originally posted by Tom2
I'd have two by now :teeth

Uh huh...As if quotas would directly relate to additional personal income.:shhh

[daventura]

So...I'm confused. Are there five or six police officers willing to disclose their identities?
These are pretty clear:

Iszlandsnow
silversvs
brash47
Diablo
scootergmc

Tom2?

Could I get all your real names and the various agencies you work for as well?
I'm thinking that by mentioning barf and my asssociatation with "so and so", I could avoid a lot of trouble.

Wait a minute, I always obey the law as it's written and am a very safe and conscientious driver.

Nevermind.
:teeth

[skater1on1]

Originally posted by tamothy
my scooter was stolen, does law enforcements make any extra efforts to help recover my scooter? As in, would they check license plate numbers of scooters that match the description of what was stolen?
Or do they simply go on with regulating traffic and just examining suspcious vehicles?
this question can apply to bikes and cars too

Dude that sucks your scooter was stolen!!! I didn't know anyone else had a SR 50 on this board. How did you like it before it was stolen. Oh and I will keep an eye out for it.

[scootergmc]

Originally posted by daventura
So...I'm confused. Are there five or six police officers willing to disclose their identities?
These are pretty clear:

Iszlandsnow
silversvs
brash47
Diablo
scootergmc


:teeth



Not me....... I'm super secret.

[Brash47]

Sorry, was away for a couple of days....I havent read through the posts yet, but will get on the ones that it looks like some of my fellow compadres havent answered!

brash

[Brash47]

OK...
First, Code-7 was KFC tonight....
Second....well, the whole comp meal thing...try that where I work and you get a swift kick out the door. 10 years ago, things were much different in Law Enforcement...actually 12 year.....before Rodney King. Accepting gratuities...not protection money btw, is prohibited in my dept. Sometime, although, business owners take is as an insult that you pay when they offer you something free...what is common is for the officer to say thank you and tip the person minimally the entire amount of the bill.

Third...Santa Rita Road....I need to know where it was you were cited...if its right off the highway, its considered a business district, not residential.

Racial profiling....read my posts on the Alice's Restaurant Crackdown thread from this weekend....I posted about that.

What is considered a stop....the vehicle stops moving. Not slows down, stops moving completely....I have a joke for you in regards to this too :)

A cop is watching an intersection for stop-sign violations. He sees a car roll through the stop sign. The cop pulls the guy over...gets his info and starts to write him a ticket. The man in the car says...HEY, what the hell you stop me for copper!

The officer says, you failed to stop at the stop sign back there. The guy in the car says....Well, I slowed down, whats the difference?

The cop drags the guy out of the car and commences to whip the crap out of him with his baton. After a few moments, he looks at the guy and says....so, you want me to stop...or just slow down?.....

brash

PS, thanks for answering alot of the questions guys...svs, etc....I was unable to log on for a couple....

[twisted TLR]

PM me if any of you 830's and friends are interested..

[thebusby]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
...Their own employees who barely get by have to pay, yet anyone with a badge gets treated like a fucking monarch there.

HAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAH
AHHAHAHAHAHA:laughing

Treated like a Monarch at McDonalds?, maybe Burger King ;) :teeth

[Iszlandsnow]

Originally posted by twisted TLR
PM me if any of you 830's and friends are interested..

Interested in what? :confused

I got an online coupon for Krispy Kreme if your interested.

http://krispykreme.qm1.net/krispykreme/online_coupon.aspx?email=this_is_junkspam@yahoo.co m

[Diablo]

re:Not slows down, stops moving completely....I have a joke for you in regards to this too

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Haaaa Academy joke!!!

[Iszlandsnow]

Originally posted by daventura
So...I'm confused. Are there five or six police officers willing to disclose their identities?
These are pretty clear:

Iszlandsnow
silversvs
brash47
Diablo
scootergmc

Tom2?

Could I get all your real names and the various agencies you work for as well?
I'm thinking that by mentioning barf and my asssociatation with "so and so", I could avoid a lot of trouble.

Ahh.. the classic kiss ass way to get out of something.

Driver/suspect: "Hey uh..do you know Officer..uh..I forgot his name, you know that tall guy..dark hair..shoot what was his name.."

Im just a security guard at the mall.:cool

[Tom2]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brash47

10 years ago, things were much different in Law Enforcement...actually 12 year.....before Rodney King.


yep... tell me 'bout it.

[Bladeruner69]

Interested in the special, secret 830 10-19. Gonna be a blast.

[gsxrchick]

where: san jose - milpitas border (in a cage)

i want to make a right turn at the stoplight (mccandless/montague) however the only way for me to make a right is to go into the carpool lane. CHP guy pulls me over and as i try to explain this, he doesnt want to hear it - 'license registration'. i want to fight this ticket in court since this 'solo in the carpool lane' violation is $300 dollars and wrong/unjust. please advise and thank you in advance for your help.

btw- i appreciate everyone in law enforcement.. you've helped me on many occassions - good and bad..

[cleoent]

gsxrchick as long as you weren't in the exit lane for a certain distance before you turned right you should be in the clear.... look it up in the vechicle code... i'm too lazy :)

[JackTheTripper]

I *think* I know the intersection she's talking about. And I think there are 2 right turn lanes and the far right one is carpool only.

I was driving there once and had never been there before. There were 2 turn lanes and the left one was all backed up and nobody was in the right one. So I think to myself "If these fools want to sit in traffic, let them" so I go to the right lane. All of a sudden there is a dimond in the lane and I look up and there is a sign that says the far right lane if for carpool only. By this time it was too late. Nothing I could do. I think it's also a no right on red but can't remember. I just remember sitting there nervously saying "come on... come on.... change.... come on....."

Lucky for me I did not get caught, but I still don't concider it my fault.

Is that the intersection you're talking about?

[cleoent]

if that's the case then you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, enjoy traffic school!

Although I never have seen a lane like that, maybe you could claim that......

[Ezekiel]

I assume this is what you got cited for:
21655.8. (a) Except as required under subdivision (b), when
exclusive or preferential use lanes for high-occupancy vehicles are
established pursuant to Section 21655.5 and double parallel solid
lines are in place to the right thereof, no person driving a vehicle
may cross over these double lines to enter into or exit from the
exclusive or preferential use lanes, and entrance or exit may be made
only in areas designated for these purposes or where a single broken
line is in place to the right of the exclusive or preferential use
lanes.

For court I'd take pictures of the intersection, and stick to the following law:
22100. Except as provided in Section 22100.5 or 22101, the driver
of any vehicle intending to turn upon a highway shall do so as
follows:
(a) Right Turns. Both the approach for a right-hand turn and a
right-hand turn shall be made as close as practicable to the
right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except:
(1) Upon a highway having three marked lanes for traffic moving in
one direction which terminates at an intersecting highway
accommodating traffic in both directions, the driver of a vehicle in
the middle lane may turn right into any lane lawfully available to
traffic moving in that direction upon the roadway being entered.

And make sure there are no signs leading up to the intersection telling you not to turn from the carpool lane.

You can read the full laws in the vehicle code at the following link:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov


I'm not a lawyer :teeth

[Iszlandsnow]

All of these great responses for Gsxrchicks question. I just work for Pinkerton security anyways. :teeth

[twisted TLR]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Iszlandsnow
[B]Interested in what? :confused

I got an online coupon for Krispy Kreme if your interested.

Twisted TLR wrote:
Sorry about that folks.. I was attempting to attach a file to my last message.

Anyways... There's flyers that have been distributed to most bay area agencies regarding an upcoming ride which some riders and I are hosting. Any interested 830's and friends are welcome. PM me for more information or if you would like a flyer sent out to your department.


Thank you guys... May all you rest in peace.

San Francisco PD Isaac Espinoza
Merced PD Stephan Gray
CHP Officer Thomas Steiner
Reserve Solano County Deputy John Sandlin

[EastBayDave]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
what would be the penalty for say.....186mph ?

I'm still wondering why no one will answer this question?

Is a ultra-high speed stop automatically a "reckless driving" ticket if over say....100mph? Is it automatic arrest & off to jail? Where (speed wise) is the break point between a ticket & arrest???!?

100mph? 120mph? 150mph? 180mph? What??????

[Tom2]

23103. (a) Any person who drives any vehicle upon a highway in
willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is
guilty of reckless driving.
(b) Any person who drives any vehicle in any offstreet parking
facility, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 12500, in willful
or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty
of reckless driving.
(c) Persons convicted of the offense of reckless driving shall be
punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not less than five days nor more than 90 days or by a fine of not less than one hundred forty-five dollars ($145) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment, except as provided in Section 23104.


22348. (a) Notwithstanding subdivision (b) of Section 22351, no
person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway with a speed limit
established pursuant to Section 22349 or 22356 at a speed greater than that speed limit.
(b) Any person who drives a vehicle upon a highway at a speed
greater than 100 miles per hour is guilty of an infraction
punishable, as follows:
(1) Upon a first conviction of a violation of this subdivision, by
a fine of not to exceed five hundred dollars ($500). The court may
also suspend the privilege of the person to operate a motor vehicle for a period not to exceed 30 days pursuant to Section 13200.5.
(2) Upon a conviction under this subdivision of an offense which
occurred within three years of a prior offense resulting in a
conviction of an offense under this subdivision, by a fine of not to
exceed five hundred dollars ($500). The person's privilege to
operate a motor vehicle shall be suspended by the Department of Motor Vehicles pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 13355.
(3) Upon a conviction under this subdivision of an offense which
occurred within five years of two or more prior offenses resulting in convictions of offenses under this subdivision, by a fine of not to
exceed five hundred dollars ($500). The person's privilege to operate
a motor vehicle shall be suspended by the Department of Motor
Vehicles pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 13355.

[gsxrchick]

Originally posted by Iszlandsnow
All of these great responses for Gsxrchicks question. I just work for Pinkerton security anyways. :teeth

thanks for taking the time to respond ezekiel,cleoent,jackthe..... and yes the white lines were broken..either way i think i'll show up on the court day.. dont have nothing to lose except a few hours at work. thanks again - cheryl

[thump]

Lots of riders out at the weekend, some on their own others in groups.

What kind of things (other than people riding like a complete knob) are you looking for?

What's going to get a rider pulled over while his buddies don't?

What is it that catches your attention and how do you decide who needs closer scrutiny?


Thanks :)

[Ezekiel]

Originally posted by gsxrchick
dont have nothing to lose except a few hours at work. thanks again - cheryl

Look into doing a Trial by Written Declaration. With your written account of what happened along with the photo documentation you should be found innocent WITHOUT having to take time off from work. You do it all through mail, the only drawback is that you have to pay the full fine up front, then if you are found innocent they refund your money. If you are found guilty in the written declaration you can THEN schedule a court appearance to plead your case again.

Do a search on here for it, ask the court mail you the papers for it, go to ticketassassin.com read up on it, with the broken white lines sounds like you're the perfect candidate for it!

[gsxrchick]

Originally posted by Ezekiel
Look into doing a Trial by Written Declaration. With your written account of what happened along with the photo documentation you should be found innocent WITHOUT having to take time off from work. You do it all through mail, the only drawback is that you have to pay the full fine up front, then if you are found innocent they refund your money. If you are found guilty in the written declaration you can THEN schedule a court appearance to plead your case again.

Do a search on here for it, ask the court mail you the papers for it, go to ticketassassin.com read up on it, with the broken white lines sounds like you're the perfect candidate for it!

sounds like its worth a shot.. thanks for the information - ch

[JackTheTripper]

Originally posted by Ezekiel
Look into doing a Trial by Written Declaration. With your written account of what happened along with the photo documentation you should be found innocent WITHOUT having to take time off from work. You do it all through mail, the only drawback is that you have to pay the full fine up front, then if you are found innocent they refund your money. If you are found guilty in the written declaration you can THEN schedule a court appearance to plead your case again.

Do a search on here for it, ask the court mail you the papers for it, go to ticketassassin.com read up on it, with the broken white lines sounds like you're the perfect candidate for it!

Agreed. This way you get TWO chances to get out of it instead of just one. :thumbup

+1 Mojo

[silversvs]

Originally posted by thump
What kind of things (other than people riding like a complete knob) are you looking for? What's going to get a rider pulled over while his buddies don't? What is it that catches your attention and how do you decide who needs closer scrutiny?

Keep in mind that my answers reflect my experiences and my style. I can't speak for all officers.

Most officers (with the exception of those assigned to traffic details) are not specifically out cruising around looking to write tickets. Typically officers are looking to make arrests and take bad guys to jail. That is where the fun is in this job. With that in mind, you have to contact folks to find out if they fall into the "bad guy" category. One of the easiest ways to contact folks is through traffic stops. By seeing a violation and then stopping the driver for the violation, the officer gets a chance to assess the driver. Is the driver a wanted person, are they on parole or probation, are they under the influence, do they have illegal items in their vehicle or on their person, did they just rob a bank? A good officer will be using all their senses when they contact the driver to answer all these questions and more. If the driver falls into the bad guy category the officer takes appropriate action. If the driver is an average joe they get a warning and are sent on their way.

With that in mind, I'll try to answer your questions.

You asked what is it that catches my attention and makes for closer scrutiny. The answer is in the question itself. Anything that "gets my attention" is going to make me look at the driver. Loud exhaust, going faster than the rest of traffic, bright colored bikes, riding on one wheel, etc. all may get my attention. Once you have my attention, I do a quick "criminal profiling" (see previous post) on ya and decide if I want to make a stop or not.

So the best way to avoid being stopped is to just blend in with other traffic and not call attention to yourself.

If you happen to be passing by an officer assigned to traffic enforcement, then its a whole different ballgame, as you can be stopped for one of thousands of vehicle code sections. Keep your bike legal (lights, exhaust, license plates etc) and you have a better chance of avoiding their attention.

[silversvs]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
I'm still wondering why no one will answer this question?

Is a ultra-high speed stop automatically a "reckless driving" ticket if over say....100mph? Is it automatic arrest & off to jail? Where (speed wise) is the break point between a ticket & arrest???!?

100mph? 120mph? 150mph? 180mph? What??????


Too many variables to give a definitive answer. Where ya doing the 120MPH at? At 3AM on a deserted highway and I probably wouldn't even try to catch you. At 5PM on E/B 580 zipping through the commute traffic and you'll get my attention in a big way.

Tom posted the appropriate sections that you could be cited for.

If I stopped you for 120MPH and you told me you were being stupid and appologized, I would likely warn you or give you a 1 point violation for excessive speed. If you gave me attitude when I stopped you, you could easily up the ante to me making an arrest for reckless (2 points) and hauling you off to Santa Rita and impounding the bike.

The end result just depends on a lot off variables. As in most all cases, officers have a ton of discretion in how they resolve any given incident. There are very few instances where officers are mandated to take a specific action for violations they see.

[deaconblues]

Originally posted by silversvs
If I stopped you for 120MPH and you told me you were being stupid and appologized, I would likely warn you or give you a 1 point violation for excessive speed. If you gave me attitude when I stopped you, you could easily up the ante to me making an arrest for reckless (2 points) and hauling you off to Santa Rita and impounding the bike.

Dang it, where were you when I got pulled on I-5 for 100+? 2 points!! :cry Still, it could have been a lot harder... as things turned out, I got lucky with the ins. co (they haven't asked about it, and haven't raised my rates, so I'm not saying nuthin' to them.) And the fine was lower than expected, thought it would be in the $1000 range, instead was 4300 and change... (First violation - and as was stated to the officer at the time, I intend for it to be my last....)

[Iszlandsnow]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
I'm still wondering why no one will answer this question?

Is a ultra-high speed stop automatically a "reckless driving" ticket if over say....100mph? Is it automatic arrest & off to jail? Where (speed wise) is the break point between a ticket & arrest???!?

100mph? 120mph? 150mph? 180mph? What??????

Anything over 100 MPH and Id tow it, subject to impound for 30 days. Average of 75 dollar release fee, 100 dollar plus storage fee and 70 something dollar fee per day. You would go to jail and be subjected to a sodomy scene like the movie, American Me.

Try to fight it in court with a hanging judge who will give you an irate look as soon as I mention anything over 100 MPH. Then you would have to pay the fine, court fees and more fees.

Ill take this question on a different perspective, imagine going 180MPH and swerving to avoid last nights roadkill and dumping it. You are thrown off your bike, your bike is explodes like the Death Star as millions of pieces spray oncoming traffic, your R1 badge lodging into the side of a slow moving Winnebago. You fly through the freeway dividers mesh fence. The fence wraps around you as you land into oncoming traffic and are trampled by the 28 inch Michelins from Seabass' 18 wheeler. Approaching cars, driven by Asian tourists on thier way to Pier 39, these tourists, never seeing anything more odd than a Godzilla movie, ram your senseless body into back into the center divider. Your arm, still portruding in the fast lane is trounced by the tour bus full of senior citizens on the way to Reno. I pull up on scene and see your denim sandwhich, full of new prime skin and exposed freah bone marrow. Your shredded newly made half shell Arai brain bucket full of stirred pizza. I stand there giggling and taking pictures worthy of Rotten.com.:laughing

[gsxrchick]

which brings me to ask - what is the most gruesome thing you have ever seen while on duty? moto/cage crashes, suicide attempts, freak accidents? im curious and im sure you need a strong stomach for these kind of things..

[silversvs]

Originally posted by gsxrchick
which brings me to ask - what is the most gruesome thing you have ever seen while on duty? moto/cage crashes, suicide attempts, freak accidents? im curious and im sure you need a strong stomach for these kind of things..

Wrong forum for that question.

I have been first or second on scene for five motorcycle fatal collisions. Those crashes and others give me good reason to be a safe defensive rider.

[Tom2]

Originally posted by gsxrchick
which brings me to ask - what is the most gruesome thing you have ever seen while on duty? moto/cage crashes, suicide attempts, freak accidents? im curious and im sure you need a strong stomach for these kind of things..


all of the above and more.

[magyarbetyar]

Originally posted by silversvs
Then you're en route SRJ with your 10-15. You get him express booked based on his bad attitude. You spend the next three hours writing your paper. Get back out on the beat and see the same turd walking down the street. SRJ cited him and the DAs office is only gonna give him double secret probation with an S7. That's the real world. :cry

:laughing :laughing :laughing

Ain't that the truth.

[TheRobSJ]

I'm still waiting for a proper explanation of this...

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
So...my point of this whole saga is, why do so many cops abuse their badge?

To add fuel to fire, I saw this in the other thread (http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70124)...

Originally posted by Agent Orange
I've got a friend working in a PD down in the South Bay who SPEEDS on his way to to work. His co-workers SPEED. Hell one time in his own CAR he was pulled over by a fellow PD on a Bimmer for SPEEDING. (needless to say he wasn't issued a ticket, the bimmer just wanted to have a "chat" with him) Oh and guess what, whenever he's off duty, we go cruising in his 2002 M3 doing you know what!


I think the reason that despite the fact that cops risk their lives everyday upholding the law...there is still going to be a good portion of the population that resents them with a passion, and I'm sure that you can figure out that I'm in the latter. If there is one trait that people hate in people, its hypocracy. "Do as I say, not as I do" "It's OK, when I do it, I'm a professional" or some other bullshit line. If you're going to be a public servant paid to uphold the law...you should be held accountable for the same laws the public has to abide by. When I see this carefree/ no fear of being ticketed attitude shown by the above person and whenever I see cops speeding in their black and whites on the freeway, intimidating cars to get out of their way, no siren...just going fast for no reason, it just burns my ass. If I tailgated the cop until he moved over and then proceeded to cruise by at 85, I'm sure I'd be pulled over.

So why is it? Why do so many cops use their badge to bend the very laws they are paid to enforce?

[Ed L.]

Originally posted by Brash47

....What is considered a stop....the vehicle stops moving. Not slows down, stops moving completely...

brash
....

Actually, if you were answering my question, I was wondering about the foot down thing, whether that is required. I haven't seen anything that say that it is. I can come to a complete stop without putting my foot down, ....really.....no, really. :angel

[silversvs]

Originally posted by Ed L.
Actually, if you were answering my question, I was wondering about the foot down thing, whether that is required. I haven't seen anything that say that it is. I can come to a complete stop without putting my foot down, ....really.....no, really. :angel

If you can get your bike to come to a complete stop without putting your foot down, then you have complied with the law. No section in there requiring your foot to touch down. The easiest way to see if a vehicle has come to a complete stop is to watch the wheels or part of the rim. If it stops moving the vehicle has come to a complete stop. There is no time requirement for how long it has to stay stopped. I've seen many motor officers balance on their bikes at a dead stop for several seconds before moving again.

[Ed L.]

yes, that's what I do, after practicing balance for many years. Thanks for the answer! :)

...if not too much trouble, I have another question. I was stopped the other night (thanks officer ______ for giving me just the verbal for my speed) and was cited for not having my current address with my license. If I get the changed address card from the DMV and have an officer sign the tickent, do I have to go to the court date on my ticket.....or can I mail something in? I wasn't clear on that. :confused

[silversvs]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
I'm still waiting for a proper explanation of this...

I think the reason that despite the fact that cops risk their lives everyday upholding the law...there is still going to be a good portion of the population that resents them with a passion, and I'm sure that you can figure out that I'm in the latter. If there is one trait that people hate in people, its hypocracy. "Do as I say, not as I do" "It's OK, when I do it, I'm a professional" or some other bullshit line. If you're going to be a public servant paid to uphold the law...you should be held accountable for the same laws the public has to abide by. When I see this carefree/ no fear of being ticketed attitude shown by the above person and whenever I see cops speeding in their black and whites on the freeway, intimidating cars to get out of their way, no siren...just going fast for no reason, it just burns my ass. If I tailgated the cop until he moved over and then proceeded to cruise by at 85, I'm sure I'd be pulled over.

So why is it? Why do so many cops use their badge to bend the very laws they are paid to enforce?



By the tone of your post Rob, I doubt that you will be satisfied with any answer, and that your mind is made up that all cops are bad.

"If you're going to be a public servant paid to uphold the law...you should be held accountable for the same laws the public has to abide by."

I wholeheartedly agree with you. In fact officers MUST live their lives holding themselves to a higher standard than the rest of the general public. Police officers can be fired from work for an off-duty incident that is deemed to be "conduct unbecoming an officer." Can you be fired Rob for something you do on your own free time away from work?

"Whenever I see cops speeding in their black and whites on the freeway, intimidating cars to get out of their way, no siren...just going fast for no reason, it just burns my ass."

Do you actually know what the officer is doing or where he is going? Say you are at home and you see three guys in your driveway breaking into your car. Who are you going to call? (don't give me the I would go out and handle it myself crap). Since your car being broken into is a property crime, the responding officers are not allowed to roll code-3 with lights and sirens. Therefore, they are mandated to abide by all the rules of the road. Do you really want the officers driving 25 MPH to get to your house to save your precious stereo system? I think you would prefer that they go a tad faster than the limity to get to your house and try to catch the turds who are victimizing you.

"So why is it? Why do so many cops use their badge to bend the very laws they are paid to enforce?"

I would say its a small margin of officers who "abuse" their badge. If I get stopped for a driving action I won't even let the officer know I am a cop. If I break a rule I expect to pay the same price as anyone else. I would say that a very high majority of officers fall into my category, and very few into yours.

[Iszlandsnow]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
So...my point of this whole saga is, why do so many cops abuse their badge?

Since your assumption of Law Enforcement bother you so much why dont you make a complaint about it? Feel free to go the State Capitol and voice your assumption. While your there, complain about the doctors who malpractice, the cooks who spit in your food, the Electric company who charges to much, or the store that gave you crappy customer service. As you can see, based on your tiny assumption, which does not represnt the whole, all jobs abuse thier title, companies or nametags. Based on your assumption then, every doctor fondles your girl when she's unconscious, every cook and Burger King spits in your food, every billing rep thinks your an idiot and charges you extra and everyone at Macy's gives you snotty attitude.

[TheRobSJ]

Originally posted by silversvs
Can you be fired Rob for something you do on your own free time away from work?

the responding officers are not allowed to roll code-3 with lights and sirens.
As a matter of fact, yes. I can...and have been fired from my job based on conduct I did in my free time away from work. See for yourself... http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5844

And I do understand the need to roll up on a scene without lights and siren. That's why I only pointed out black and whites on the freeway. One time, I even got passed by a CHP who must've been going 90. I saw up ahead that he took the same exit I was taking. Matter of fact we wound up going to the same place...except he got there 10 seconds before me. Where was his big emergency? Starbucks of course.

[TheRobSJ]

Originally posted by Iszlandsnow
Since your assumption of Law Enforcement bother you so much why dont you make a complaint about it? Feel free to go the State Capitol and voice your opinion.

Because I don't like pissing in the wind either.

There's not enough "dirty" cops out there that there's going to be a huge public uproar. Hell, it's sad...but the public actually expects some cops to be that way. Some people are willing to live with the few bad apples, and some feel that those few ruin the whole batch.

[Ed L.]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
Hell, it's sad...but the public actually expects some cops to be that way. Some people are willing to live with the few bad apples, and some feel that those few ruin the whole batch.

Which, of course, can be said about any group.....mechanics, doctors, motorcyclists, priests etc. etc.

[thump]

Originally posted by Ed L.
Which, of course, can be said about any group.....mechanics, doctors, motorcyclists, priests etc. etc.


and people who post on barf.

[silversvs]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheRobSJ
As a matter of fact, yes. I can...and [b]have been fired from my job based on conduct I did in my free time away from work. [/url]

Well.................ya got me there:laughing :laughing :laughing :laughing

It seems you do like to share your opinions.

[TheRobSJ]

Now for something lighter...

Which cruiser is better, the Crown Vics or the old Caprice.

[silversvs]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
Now for something lighter...

Which cruiser is better, the Crown Vics or the old Caprice.

The Caprices hauled ass. They were so much faster than the Crown Vics are now. The Crown Vics handle pretty well though. The Caprices had a much larger rear seat area. The Crown Vics are pretty small and trying to stuff a big dude back there is really difficult. I actually drive an Expedition most of the time. Lots of room there.

[twisted TLR]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
Now for something lighter...

Which cruiser is better, the Crown Vics or the old Caprice.

Bar none... The 1994-1996 Chevy Caprice Classic with the LT-1 motor (Camaro/Corvette engine). Although often referred to as a "boat", it was the best "mobile office" on wheels. When my "company" got the first batch of Crown Victorias (then it was a new 1999 w/ only 4k) I got the opportunity to go up against a 96 Chevy that had, oh maybe 80k on the motor... That Chevy still had more balls then the new Crown Vic that I was driving. The Chevy still pulled away from the Ford and maintained its high altitude ceiling level or "top-end". Even at semi-warp speeds, that Caprice motor would kick in and just pull away. Perhaps, if I didnt have a lightbar on the Ford, I probably could of kept up. Nevetheless, the 03's may handle better, but the Caprice still had the "cahones" !

Now as for the early 88's-90's "box style" Caprices.. they were like missles. Off the line and straight they were fine, trying to take it around a turn, well... you just hoped you didnt lock up the steering wheel.:laughing

To this day, I belive Mountain View PD and San Bruno PD still have their Caprices running. Down in LA County, they refurbish their existing fleet of Caprices because some folks still love their 95-96 Caprices. Its a shame that Chevy decided to concentrate on the then 99 Chevy Tahoe, Police Package instead. Now what ever evolved of them???

The Caprices these days, I see the homies "rolling dems on dubs" with a gazillion of tv screens (w/ no one in the back watching of course..) with a SF sticker on the back.

** Disclaimer: The response given by this member may not reflect the idealogies, views, and / or questionable ethical conduct from his "company" regarding his need for speed. Any actions by the above person was purely conducted by means of adrenaline rush, the ability to, and for research and / or development. <--- If you believe this, then I have a bridge to sell you too... :laughing :laughing :shhh

[TheRobSJ]

I haven't heard a cop yet tell me they prefer the Crown Vics over those old LT1 engined Caprices.

[viper3256]

Originally posted by Iszlandsnow
Anything over 100 MPH and Id tow it, subject to impound for 30 days. Average of 75 dollar release fee, 100 dollar plus storage fee and 70 something dollar fee per day. You would go to jail and be subjected to a sodomy scene like the movie, American Me.

Try to fight it in court with a hanging judge who will give you an irate look as soon as I mention anything over 100 MPH. Then you would have to pay the fine, court fees and more fees.



Brutal...

Your TLR must never have hit 100+


If I ever get pulled over, I hope to deal with someone that understands protect and serve and not throwing the book at them and arresting them so they could get sodomized!



Other then that great info!

Thanks

[Tom2]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
I haven't heard a cop yet tell me they prefer the Crown Vics over those old LT1 engined Caprices.


ah, the chevy's... :cool

[Iszlandsnow]

Originally posted by viper3256
Brutal... Your TLR must never have hit 100+
If I ever get pulled over, I hope to deal with someone that understands protect and serve and not throwing the book at them and arresting them so they could get sodomized!
Other then that great info!Thanks

Im understanding. I protect the people from 400lb cruise missles on the freeway and serve the somdomites these offenders.:laughing Im just being sarcastic dude, but the underlying meaning is still there. BTW the TLR does a 100+ all the time, at the track. :teeth

[Bart]

So if you guys see someone with Member CHP 11-99 plates on their cars, do you take it easier on them?

[twisted TLR]

Originally posted by Bart
So if you guys see someone with Member CHP 11-99 plates on their cars, do you take it easier on them?


Even more the reason to stop you.... That goes the same for folks (although perhaps courteous..) who insist on waving me to go by first at an intersection when stopped. Thanks, but you go right ahead.:cool

[Iszlandsnow]

No disrespect to CHP, but the answer is NO, because ive seen dirtbags with these frames on. Not even those "Support Law Enforcement, PAL, Police,Deputy, Sheriff..etc..etc " stickers, license plate frames or baseball hats on the rear dash. Ive seen tons of cars with badge stickers all over the place on the bumper, on the hood, on the windows on the dash. Most, actually 99%, who advertise anything law enforcement isnt in law enforcement and is asking for some kind of break for some driving offense they are knowingly commiting. Why would they put these stickers on in the first place? They dont put em on thier homes, bicycles or refrigerators. As if im going to be right behind them and not stop them for speeding or the red light they just blew. I can tell who really is from the 11-99 foundation or from KMA #####. Yes ive seen and arrested dirtbags riding around with these logos on thier car, and when they tell me about the stickers on thier car, I tell em "If you support us, then you shouldnt mind receiving this ticket for doing 70 in a 25."

[EastBayDave]

Originally posted by Iszlandsnow
Anything over 100 MPH and Id tow it, subject to impound for 30 days. Average of 75 dollar release fee, 100 dollar plus storage fee and 70 something dollar fee per day. You would go to jail and be subjected to a sodomy scene like the movie, American Me.
This is my biggest beef; doing a victimless crime like speeding, you throw a normally law-abiding citizen in jail. Then he get's subjected to the as you put it "sodomy scene like the movie...", catch aids, & eventually die -For speeding.

Is this right? Capital punishment for speeding?

Shoot just about ALL sportbikes will exceed 100mph in second gear. Heck the ZX12R will almost do it in 1st, the ZX10R exceeds 100mph in 1st. I think the laws need modification to reflect current sportbikes capability...& change the law to big fines instead of jail time.

I'd happily pay a huge fine rather than jailtime; & I'd rather loose my license than get cornholed in jail & end up with HIV...

Try to fight it in court with a hanging judge who will give you an irate look as soon as I mention anything over 100 MPH. Then you would have to pay the fine, court fees and more fees.

Ill take this question on a different perspective, imagine going 180MPH and swerving to avoid last nights roadkill and dumping it. You are thrown off your bike, your bike is explodes like the Death Star as millions of pieces spray oncoming traffic, your R1 badge lodging into the side of a slow moving Winnebago. You fly through the freeway dividers mesh fence. The fence wraps around you as you land into oncoming traffic and are trampled by the 28 inch Michelins from Seabass' 18 wheeler. Approaching cars, driven by Asian tourists on thier way to Pier 39, these tourists, never seeing anything more odd than a Godzilla movie, ram your senseless body into back into the center divider. Your arm, still portruding in the fast lane is trounced by the tour bus full of senior citizens on the way to Reno. I pull up on scene and see your denim sandwhich, full of new prime skin and exposed freah bone marrow. Your shredded newly made half shell Arai brain bucket full of stirred pizza. I stand there giggling and taking pictures worthy of Rotten.com.:laughing

That's a pretty bad scene to imagine; I'm sorry you must see these things sometimes. Then...

Help us take it off road. I been trying to put a LEGAL top-speed meet like Bonneville/Maxton/El Mirage/etc. in this area for 5 years now. There's lots of long straights around on un-used orchard roads out in the valley. Why not block one off for a weekend & have a meet?

A small town out in the middle of noplace could bring in some good money from having a meet. K&K Insurance to cover the event, locals make a ton of money from all the racers coming in, the motel rooms/resturants are full, etc... I can only dream on without help & the support of locals...

But I still think speeding is a victimless crime & throwing (otherwise) law-abiding citizens into jail is flat wrong.

[NorCalBusa]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
I have another question.

It's been over 10 years now and I'm still bitter over this...

When I was in high school, I worked at McDonalds. The one on Capitol and Berryessa in San Jose, in case you're interested. The employee "discount" policy was 50% off, as long as you were working that day and it was within an hour before, after, or during lunch of your shift...oh and you had to eat it there. Yeah...thanks for nothing you fucking cheap ass franchise owner. Anyways. So here we are, making minimum wage. A whopping $4.25 an hour, and we work there and still have to pay...


So if ya worked at say, Wells Fargo- you'd expect it's cool to take the product home for free? Maybe just $1 bills would be okay? $5's on Friday's?

[TheRobSJ]

Originally posted by NorCalBusa
So if ya worked at say, Wells Fargo- you'd expect it's cool to take the product home for free? Maybe just $1 bills would be okay? $5's on Friday's?

If that was the "discount" for employees, then the cops would show up and would each take a $50 every week.

The point was not about my discount, it was about the double standard with the fact that cops got a bigger break than the actual employees that worked there. If McDonald's wanted to be stingy and offer no discount to the employees, that'd be fine by me just so long as nobody else was entitled to one.

[TheRobSJ]

New question. Glock, Beretta, or something else I don't see you guys carry?

[silversvs]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
New question. Glock, Beretta, or something else I don't see you guys carry?

AR-15:)

[ladyRR]

Originally posted by scootergmc
So I'm cruising 10-8 and observe a 23103 motorcyclist. I go 11-95, and run a 27 and 29 on the rider after everything is code 4. Find out rider is 12500 and has a 10-29f out of Alameda for 10851 VC and another 10-29m for FTA. Low and behold, after running a 10-28 on the bike, it comes back as stolen. I have dispatch confirm the 10-29s, request an 11-85 and go 10-15. Another bike recovered. What a fantasy world I live in....:teeth

:p Oh no...here it comes...the police lingo thread has started

[ladyRR]

Originally posted by daventura

Could I get all your real names and the various agencies you work for as well?
I'm thinking that by mentioning barf and my asssociatation with "so and so", I could avoid a lot of trouble.

:teeth

This is the exact reason most cops don't advertize thier occupation.

To many people ask you for favors when you don't even know them.

[ladyRR]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
This is my biggest beef; doing a victimless crime like speeding, you throw a normally law-abiding citizen in jail.

Speeding over 100 MPH hour is not cool dude...no matter how you put it.

To me, it sounds like you're saying the cop shouldn't pull you over until you hit and kill an eight year riding their bike, which then changes the status of the crime?! Cops pull you over for speeding before you you hurt someone, they don't wait until you do.

The job of an officer is to protect and to serve. Protect innocent people from reckless drivers who don't care who they could potentially kill while driving over 100 MPH...

....and to serve those who request officers to work radar on thier street to prevent that "fatal" crash

Speeding over 100 MPH with out regards for public safetly does qualify you as being a "normally law abiding citizen" it makes you a reckless driver.

[Tom2]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
New question. Glock, Beretta, or something else I don't see you guys carry?

mp5

[scootergmc]

M4 and Kimber .45

[Jig]

Originally posted by silversvs
If you can get your bike to come to a complete stop without putting your foot down, then you have complied with the law. No section in there requiring your foot to touch down. The easiest way to see if a vehicle has come to a complete stop is to watch the wheels or part of the rim. If it stops moving the vehicle has come to a complete stop. There is no time requirement for how long it has to stay stopped. I've seen many motor officers balance on their bikes at a dead stop for several seconds before moving again.

Do them spinners make it harder to look at the rim? They just keep on going. :laughing

[TheRobSJ]

Originally posted by Tom2
mp5

Jesus...what are you? SWAT or HRT?

[Razel]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
Jesus...what are you? SWAT or HRT? Heh...
This neat 15" MP5 has a battery operated chip that makes great loud machine gun sounds as well as voice commands (english) Also the muzzle moves in and out and lights up as the trigger is pulled. It comes with free batteries stored in the pistol grip (you must unwrap the batteries as they are sealed in plastic before firing)

Google is your friend (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=gun+mp5&btnG=Google+Search)

Sorry, I couldn't resist:angel

[TheRobSJ]

I'm sorry...I'm a grown up. Someone who answers they favor an MP5 in a "cops answer all your questions" thread, I would assume they are talking about the real H&K MP5 submachine gun that SWAT and other elite law enforcement divisions seem to use.

[twisted TLR]

Originally posted by EastBayDave



But I still think speeding is a victimless crime & throwing (otherwise) law-abiding citizens into jail is flat wrong. [/B]



Gangs vs. other Gangs is also a "victimless" crime...:laughing :laughing :thumbup

[twisted TLR]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
New question. Glock, Beretta, or something else I don't see you guys carry?

Sig Sauer P220 (.45) / M4


Concerned Citizen: " Excuse me Officer.. Is that a silencer you have there on your gun?

Officer: " No, its actually a LOUD-NER.."

TV Show "Sledghammer" :laughing :laughing

[TheRobSJ]

Sledgehammer was one of the best shows ever.

[Iszlandsnow]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
Help us take it off road. I been trying to put a LEGAL top-speed meet like Bonneville/Maxton/El Mirage/etc. in this area for 5 years now. There's lots of long straights around on un-used orchard roads out in the valley. Why not block one off for a weekend & have a meet?

A small town out in the middle of noplace could bring in some good money from having a meet. K&K Insurance to cover the event, locals make a ton of money from all the racers coming in, the motel rooms/resturants are full, etc... I can only dream on without help & the support of locals...

But I still think speeding is a victimless crime & throwing (otherwise) law-abiding citizens into jail is flat wrong.

Off road? Yes there is Buttonwillow, Thunderhill, Laguna Seca or Infineon. Need tutoring? DP Safety, Keigwins, Zoom Zoom...etc etc.

There are "victimless" crimes out there, that is until your become a victim yourself. Hopefully some newb on his R1 never crashes into you on the freeway.

Just imagine (here I go again..) This bad rad lad with his flaming '04 bad ass R1. He's never been to MSF or even have an M1(victimless crime). He chills at the local Starbucks trying to mingle in with the rest of the stunna crew. He and his boys, throw on the saladbowls (victimless crime) roll out on to the freeway. He drops down a couple gears and hoists a fat one in the number one lane (victimless crime). Right before the curve he brings it down and gets into a mighty tankslapper. He has no skill and mashes down on the rear brake bucking the bike like the raging bull from Saddlerack (still victimless). He and his bike slam into the center divider Nascar style. Squidboy still not knowing to let go of his squidmobile is lofted onto oncoming traffic, as pieces fly everwhere like the Deathstar. Now here you are, putting along listening to your tunes enjoying a nice Sunday drive. Your girlfriend, mom or dad, son or daughter is seated in the passenger seat. From right out of the sky Mr. Joe Rocket crashes through your windshield, glass flying everywhere, lodging right into your corneas. His blinging polished swingarm follows in crashing into your loved ones abdomen as you hear a blood curdling scream of pain. That sprocket spinning with high rpm's saws right through the solar plexus as blood is sprayed like red Windex all over the dashboard. Your loved one exhales some last stew out the mouth, through the nose and out the ears. You fixate on thier face, which is the last time youll get any reaction, to see that emotionless look of pain as thier eyes roll backwards into eternity. Joe Rocket Atomic, who his lodged himslef into you, with steering wheel and all cease any means of steering as violently crash into the wall. You, seatbeltless (victimless crime) slam from one side to the other taking out the side windows, twisting your spine like a rubber Gumby. Your car comes to a careening hault as medics eventually come to haul your blood soaked loved one to the local mortuary for some late night BBQ. You lie on the gurney half dead, barely looking at squirrely kid who says "Uhh..sorry dude.."

Now can you identify the victims in this scenario?

[Razel]

Originally posted by TheRobSJ
I'm sorry...I'm a grown up. Someone who answers they favor an MP5 in a "cops answer all your questions" thread, I would assume they are talking about the real H&K MP5 submachine gun that SWAT and other elite law enforcement divisions seem to use.
Hey, lighten up. I'm pretty sure 90% would think the H&K was what he was referring to, as well. I'm also pretty sure the H&K MP5 is a bit over the top, wouldn't you agree? You asked the initial question, and you got your chain jerked a little with the response.
Yeah, it's a "cops answer all your questions" thread, but there's nothing that says all answers are 100% factual. Keep in mind, you're reading the internet. All disclaimers apply.

[sohijiro]

what is the maximun distance allowable for a police officer to pace someone. in example can you pace someone from 300 ft away? can you pace someone when you are accelerating? is that possible?


how long do you have to pace someone before you can legally defend that decision to cite them on that speed?

also, can you cite someone when you lose line of sight,. ie you think they are speeding, but they pass by your line of sight , and dissapear behind a turn?

yesterday i got a speeding ticket, didnt notice the LEO until he almost hit me on the freeway, think, INCHES from my leg, he didnt have his lights on or anything,. i looked back, saw him talking on his radio, (most likely running my plates) driving one handed, other hand on the radio while getting sooooooo close to my bike (to see my numbers i guess) while swerving around and catching up to me ( i wasnt speeding but he was in the lane next to me and he had to do some manuvering) i pulled over, again, no lights or expression on his part, no loudspeaker, just hugging my right side like a mofo. i was more scared about getting hit than getting cited.

apparently he followed me from some local street, i know he lost line of sight for about 60 percent of the time from spotting me to pulling me over on the freeway


anyways im just asking, whats the deal , why didnt he flash me? i KNOW he didnt pace me, because the split second he accelerated enough to get near me i aknowledged him and pulled over.

cant read his name from the ticket, but anyways i didnt appreciate the lecture about how i should be fighting the war in iraq because im over 18 (i actually enlisted to do so, and i was extremly offended by what he said). and how i do nothing but fly on my bike, and how its reckless to ride to the side of a lane. overall the cop wasnt such a bad guy, he didnt beat me down or anything, but i think there wasnt enough evidence for him to cite me

OH and i loved it when he said that I was the reason we almost collided LOL
yeah us bikers, just love to ram 5000lb police cars whenever they are near,
no offense, just blowing off some steam

[FrigginChi]

i think u got a ticket because u pulled over before he lit u up...he had u on yer guilty conscience...


Originally posted by sohijiro


( i wasnt speeding but he was in the lane next to me and he had to do some manuvering) i pulled over, again, no lights or expression on his part, no loudspeaker, just hugging my right side like a mofo. i was more scared about getting hit than getting cited.

i aknowledged him and pulled over.

[silversvs]

Originally posted by sohijiro
what is the maximum distance allowable for a police officer to pace someone. in example can you pace someone from 300 ft away? can you pace someone when you are accelerating? is that possible?

how long do you have to pace someone before you can legally defend that decision to cite them on that speed?

also, can you cite someone when you lose line of sight,. ie you think they are speeding, but they pass by your line of sight , and dissapear behind a turn?

No defined maximum distance behind, nor any minimum distance that an officer is required to pace someone before issuing a citation.

If you decide to go to court, the officer must be able to present his case in a manner the convinces the judge/commisioner that you committed the traffic violation he tagged you for. Therefore, the officer will have to be able to say how he measured your speed; visually (ususaly not good enough for conviction), by pacing from a certain disatnce for a ceratin distance, or radar. You are entitled to question the officer's testimony.

As far as pacing someone who is accelerating, sure we do it all the time. The trick to pacing a vehicle is to get set up a specific distance behind the vehicle and keep your car at that same distance consistently. If you maintain that distance then your speed matches that of the violator. The officer doesn't have to be in the same lane, he just has to be able to testify that for a specified distance (ie 1/10th of a mile) he kept the violator vehicle at a specified distance (ie 3 car lengths) and was thus able to get a paced speed of X.

As far as losing sight of a driver, that really isn't a big deal. As long as the officer can say that they are certain that the driver they stopped is the same driver they saw commit the traffic violation.

As always, if you don't think the ticket is fair, go to court. Try a trial by written declaration first. If you are found guilty on the written declaration you can always go to court to fight it. I find that those that go to court typically have their fines reduced and there is always a good chance the officer won't be able to make the court date for a variety of reasons.

[EastBayDave]

Originally posted by ladyRR
Speeding over 100 MPH hour is not cool dude...no matter how you put it.

To me, it sounds like you're saying the cop shouldn't pull you over until you hit and kill an eight year riding their bike, which then changes the status of the crime?! Cops pull you over for speeding before you you hurt someone, they don't wait until you do.

The job of an officer is to protect and to serve. Protect innocent people from reckless drivers who don't care who they could potentially kill while driving over 100 MPH...

....and to serve those who request officers to work radar on thier street to prevent that "fatal" crash

Speeding over 100 MPH with out regards for public safetly does qualify you as being a "normally law abiding citizen" it makes you a reckless driver.

you ride a ZX6RR & you have NEVER been over 100mph? Right...

[EastBayDave]

Originally posted by Iszlandsnow
Off road? Yes there is Buttonwillow, Thunderhill, Laguna Seca or Infineon. Need tutoring? DP Safety, Keigwins, Zoom Zoom...etc etc.

There are "victimless" crimes out there, that is until your become a victim yourself. Hopefully some newb on his R1 never crashes into you on the freeway.

Just imagine (here I go again..) This bad rad lad with his flaming '04 bad ass R1. He's never been to MSF or even have an M1(victimless crime). He chills at the local Starbucks trying to mingle in with the rest of the stunna crew. He and his boys, throw on the saladbowls (victimless crime) roll out on to the freeway. He drops down a couple gears and hoists a fat one in the number one lane (victimless crime). Right before the curve he brings it down and gets into a mighty tankslapper. He has no skill and mashes down on the rear brake bucking the bike like the raging bull from Saddlerack (still victimless). He and his bike slam into the center divider Nascar style. Squidboy still not knowing to let go of his squidmobile is lofted onto oncoming traffic, as pieces fly everwhere like the Deathstar. Now here you are, putting along listening to your tunes enjoying a nice Sunday drive. Your girlfriend, mom or dad, son or daughter is seated in the passenger seat. From right out of the sky Mr. Joe Rocket crashes through your windshield, glass flying everywhere, lodging right into your corneas. His blinging polished swingarm follows in crashing into your loved ones abdomen as you hear a blood curdling scream of pain. That sprocket spinning with high rpm's saws right through the solar plexus as blood is sprayed like red Windex all over the dashboard. Your loved one exhales some last stew out the mouth, through the nose and out the ears. You fixate on thier face, which is the last time youll get any reaction, to see that emotionless look of pain as thier eyes roll backwards into eternity. Joe Rocket Atomic, who his lodged himslef into you, with steering wheel and all cease any means of steering as violently crash into the wall. You, seatbeltless (victimless crime) slam from one side to the other taking out the side windows, twisting your spine like a rubber Gumby. Your car comes to a careening hault as medics eventually come to haul your blood soaked loved one to the local mortuary for some late night BBQ. You lie on the gurney half dead, barely looking at squirrely kid who says "Uhh..sorry dude.."

Now can you identify the victims in this scenario?

I never hear so much bullshit in my life...I can't recall that EVER happening around here....so it's nothing but pure, unadulterated, clear & simple....bullshit...

Talk about reading between the lines....sheesh!

[Iszlandsnow]

Originally posted by EastBayDave
I never hear so much bullshit in my life...I can't recall that EVER happening around here....so it's nothing but pure, unadulterated, clear & simple....bullshit...

Talk about reading between the lines....sheesh!

Ok Dave you win, your right about everything.:angel

[Brash47]

Not too long ago, I recall what I think was a Suzuki Bandit hitting the center divider on 680, he careened over the wall and was hit by oncomming traffic. I do not know if anyone in the oncoming traffic was injured, killed, or not....but...lets look at it from a victim definition standpoint.

The guy driving the other way....even if he wasnt inj