BARF Militia

[Shotline]

Picked up my M44 this past weekend. Time to form the militia, :laughing.

I need to learn to shoot while riding the Kawi.....:laughing:sniper

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067240-m44.jpg

[Shotline]

Nice Russian emblem

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067243-m44emblem.jpg

[Likely2BAirborn]

You need to put a howitzer in place of that headlight!

[Eisernkreuz]

I'm in! We can be M44-buddies :p

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067261-gunny2_1.jpg

[Shotline]

Nice pic.....

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067272-shooting.jpg

[Red6Rdr]

make a mounting bracket on ur ninja, so when you take breaks, you can snipe random squids.

[Eisernkreuz]

Hey Tom, lookin' good there..unlike me, you're actually aiming correctly :laughing Are you also a leftie? I think I've figured out how to work the bolt with my left hand somewhat effectively :teeth

[Meterpig]

I just got a new friend today

http://www.bullocksgunshop.com/catalog/images/products/11646_Taurus-140SS3-NS.jpg

[Shotline]

Originally posted by Webberstyle
Hey Tom, lookin' good there..unlike me, you're actually aiming correctly :laughing Are you also a leftie? I think I've figured out how to work the bolt with my left hand somewhat effectively :teeth

I am right handed, but when it comes to anything that must be aimed with the eyes I go left handed.

I like my beedy little eye showing through the site:sniper

[Likely2BAirborn]

I want to play!

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067360-untitled_0001_vc0.jpg

[Shotline]

Dude, you really do look scary!!!:laughing

[whySareFIFTYymb]

hmm. those guns look like they belong in a museum.

[Shotline]

Originally posted by whySareFIFTYymb
hmm. those guns look like they belong in a museum.

That is why I got mine, I like the old style look. Sort of classic in a way.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Heres shotline with my HK

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067396-tomhk.gif

[GetaGripGreg]

Ignore the "I'm gonna shoot yer ass" photos... check out the original Shotline pic!

Dude, you got a chemical weapons arsenal sitting there! :twofinger

(PS: thanks.)

[Likely2BAirborn]

And heres tom with the Mini 30

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067403-untitled_0001_vc30.jpg

[Eisernkreuz]

Niiiice...ok, so how many we got in the militia so far? :p

[Likely2BAirborn]

Im sure theres quite a few. Many of which will remain anonymous.

[Shotline]

Originally posted by GetaGripGreg
Ignore the "I'm gonna shoot yer ass" photos... check out the original Shotline pic!

Dude, you got a chemical weapons arsenal sitting there! :twofinger

(PS: thanks.)

No, thats just gas for the lawnmower and bugspray.......no, really it is........seriously............(shit, where is that delete button:laughing).

[Shotline]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Heres shotline with my HK

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067396-tomhk.gif

Cool, can you avatar this for me?

I love that gun, I was getting some nice tight patterns with it.:sniper

[GetaGripGreg]

Miran, somehow, the photo of you aiming at the camera, next to your avatar of a stack of empties... I honestly don't know what to make of that. Except I'm certain your aim sucks after you've pounded a case of rolling rock. :laughing

I'd join the militia if I had the balls to go down to Big 5 and order up a M44 7.62 for myself. I just don't know if I would use such firepower for good or for evil. :wow

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by Shotline
Cool, can you avatar this for me?


Here you go. Thanks.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067452-shotline.gif

[Eisernkreuz]

:laughing

Greg, that's St. Pauli Girl, the finest German beer, not Rolling Rock..that pale-ass Irish shit :p

[Likely2BAirborn]

Heres a better verson.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067507-avatar.gif

[hotdog]

:laughing

you guys remind me of that one South Park episode where Mr. Garrison buys a rifle trying to assassinate someone coming to town.

"does this rifle make me look vicious?"

[sohijiro]

i want in.

thats you shotline? haha leftie, hard to use the bolt? i always wondered about that

and Likely2BAirborn why is your elbow way up in the air in the shotgun photo? i like your shotgun, my mossberg 500 doesnt have that sling attachment at the end of the magazine like yours

i want to go shooting with you guys, looks like you have a nice place to shoot, i have NEVER shot my shotgun yet, my kimber gets to the range once in a while,. and my 10fp,,,,,, that thing almost never gets out

[Shotline]

Sohihiro, not hard for me to use a bolt because that is how I have always shot so it is all I know. The only thing I don't like is you get the casings flying across in front of your face, :laughing.

Miran and Ken, thanks for the Avatars.

[Eisernkreuz]

Hey Tom, I didn't make your avatar, that was Ken and Greg :thumbup

And you might want to change the little title above your avatar, so it fits the picture ;)

As far as casings flying across when shooting leftie..I played with it for a bit to see what feels most comfortable, and if I'm shooting from my left shoulder, I end up having to remove the gun from my shoulder to work the bolt because I have to grab the bolt overhand with my left hand :laughing My right hand is useless...

[XJ650RJ]

You guys set up the time & place, I'll bring my Win 30-06 and we can shoot all day... :laughing

Can I bring my Sig P220 .45 & Sig P232 .380?? :laughing

[Holeshot]

Nice Blue Angels commemorative watch Tom!

[Thundercat 600R]

Count me in.........:sniper

[Likely2BAirborn]

Ok Tom time to change your tag line putz. First of all thats MY girl your holding. And being I don't see a second girl in that pic, you must be refering to yourself. :twofinger

And exploding head guy (I dont want to go back a page to spell your name) My elbow is high because I had to contort for the pic. Camera was on a desk and I am 6'1. It took a little bending.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Originally posted by Holeshot
Nice Blue Angels commemorative watch Tom!

I assume you have one? I got one of those too. They kick mui ass

[Holeshot]

They rule! Ken, why not set your page views to some high number? This whole thread is one page so far...

[Likely2BAirborn]

Thats a long walk all the way to the other side of the site where the control panel is.

[BTBehindascenes]

Originally posted by Shotline
Picked up my M44 this past weekend. Time to form the militia, :laughing.

I need to learn to shoot while riding the Kawi.....:laughing:sniper


Ummmm, are you kidding me, you want to start a militia with a bolt action rifle?????



I will head off the EOD division, but lets get some real firepower!

[Likely2BAirborn]

Hmm open mouth insert foot. While you spray and pray from 100 yards, ill take my one round head shot. Its economical! If youre any good at all, you dont need multiple shots. Especially from a 7.62 x 54. That will end you.

[ScorpioVI]

Geez, this thread is so pre-Columbine....

:laughing

As far as the militia is concerned, we're all in it already. It's the "organized militia" that you guys want to join, and I'm already in one. Hahaha.

And what's the deal with BARFers and M44s? Shotline is like the 4th BARFer I know who picked up an M44 recently.

[Likely2BAirborn]

I think it has something to do with $80. The cops raided my house on the day after columbine because I was belived to own a firearm. Can you believe that shit?

[BTBehindascenes]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Hmm open mouth insert foot. While you spray and pray from 100 yards, ill take my one round head shot. Its economical! If youre any good at all, you dont need multiple shots. Especially from a 7.62 x 54. That will end you. He was speaking of riding his Kawi, and shooting.... A bolt action rifle....



100 yard head shot, riding a kawi? Wow, fuck inserting a foot, I'd insert my whole leg in my mouth if you could pull that off

[Likely2BAirborn]

Ok. Tomorrow in the parking lot. You bring the apple. :teeth

[Shotline]

Originally posted by Holeshot
Nice Blue Angels commemorative watch Tom!

Thanks, it's solar powered to:laughing

It was b-day present from my wife and I actually do use the sliderule while flying.

Didn't you like my shirt?:laughing

[Eisernkreuz]

Originally posted by BTBehindascenes
He was speaking of riding his Kawi, and shooting.... A bolt action rifle....

Right, but your comment was "you want to start a militia with a bolt-action rifle?" and Likely responded appropriately. Had you said, "You want to shoot a bolt-action rifle off the back of a Kawi?" no one would've said anything

[Likely2BAirborn]

Originally posted by Shotline
Thanks, it's solar powered to:laughing

:rolleyes :twofinger

[BTBehindascenes]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Ok. Tomorrow in the parking lot. You bring the apple. :teeth Hahhaaa, Matt will balance it on his head, and I'll videotape it for their next DVD

[Shotline]

So anyone want to do a group buy on some 7.62x54R ammo?

Anyone got an in with a store that sells this shit?

[Holeshot]

Ever heard of "green tip"?

[Likely2BAirborn]

Yep. We don't want to get arested. Just looking to shoot stuff.

[thump]

Heh! Anyone else right handed but with a left master eye?

The only thing I could really make work was a sight called a 'single point' where I could shoot with both eyes open.

[fr0ng]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
I want to play!

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1067360-untitled_0001_vc0.jpg


Holy shit you look like my coworker.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Where do you work?

[Likely2BAirborn]

Umm youre playing with a loaded 44?

:edit: with your fingers on the triggers. Yeah, you shoot in front of me at all times please. :later

[Eisernkreuz]

AP bullets, Berto? :laughing

Hey Tom, I'd be interested in a group buy! I think Ammunitionstore.com (http://www.ammunitionstore.com/pricelist_ammo2.htm#762x54r) has the most variety of 7.62x54R ammo out there, and their prices are pretty good. Also AIM Surplus (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/7_62x54R.html)

[Likely2BAirborn]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
it woudnt be much use if it wasnt loaded ;)

Just be careful eh. You can put a lens out with that thing. If you dont live very far away from other people, you may want to just keep those fingers on the trigger guards. More people die on accident then on purpose. And shit like that which makes it possible for these things to be banned.

:reedit: ok so walk in my shoes a second here. You live in a state where people are quickly losing their right to bear arms. Your best friend removed his head with a 16 guage when he was 15, and NOW you see some goofball waving loaded weapons around wearing a TRALOR PARK SHIRT. Makes a couple red flags stand up. No offence. And secondly I don't give a damn if you invented gun powder. You respect shit that can take your life in an instant. You start cutting corners and people DIE.

[Shotline]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
and my Glock 26

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1068489-gunz_002.jpg

You might want to learn some gun safety.......:rolleyes

And for a liberal, pot smoking hippie, you sure own alot of guns (or are those your dads?).:laughing

[ScorpioVI]

Jesus, is that kneesparx with the Glock and the six-shooter?

What a fucking idiot. I knew there was a reason he's on my ignore list.

[Holeshot]

Take it from a guy from another "gun state", you don't put your fingers on the triggers till your ready to shoot. Hunting and tactical safety will tell you that.

Miran: Yeah, AP stuff. Green tipped Chinese case. I had it with my MAK90 which is now gone. Cool gun, but wtf...the thing would shoot like 2 MOA best... I looked at a dragonov which supposedly shot .75 MOA, but I just didn't trust that it did. A PSS winmag .300 would be a great varmint weapon...

[Likely2BAirborn]

Shut up little army man. Hes from AZ. They are born knowing more than you. Stupid californian. :laughing

[Holeshot]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
it woudnt be much use if it wasnt loaded ;)



Do you guys really keep your auto hand guns chambered at home? How much time does it take to chamber a round?

That seems excessive to me...

[Likely2BAirborn]

Nope mine are never chaimbered. Not even loaded. I keep the mags in a seperate location ready to roll.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Maybe someone made him do it?

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1068615-kneesparx2.jpg

[NoGall]

KS, I hope you have it holstered at the hip... It doesn't make any sense to have a chambered pistol laying around your home.

Scorp, what's wrong with Glocks? They are beautiful too... on the inside:cry :laughing

[Holeshot]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
and my ds. police issued 12 guage

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1068490-gunz_003.jpg


This pic is my favorite for a guy who "come from AZ where we really know guns, and now some Cali cat is trying to teach me something about them".

Eric, let me teach you something: the second you pull that trigger, that shotguns going to wheel back and hit you in the face/ mouth/ eye. You don't sight a shot gung like that...even if it looks cool...

[Eisernkreuz]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Maybe someone made him do it?

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1068615-kneesparx2.jpg

:laughing :cry :laughing

[Eisernkreuz]

Tom, you should've made this a poll :laughing

[Shotline]

Originally posted by Webberstyle
Tom, you should've made this a poll :laughing

:laughing

[Holeshot]

Uhhhh, in a revolver...(now I know this is a hard concept), it's the same thing unless you're not running a full spin....

[Holeshot]

Got ya. Gun safety. Got ya.

[Holeshot]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
its not a pistol grip smart guy, stick to politics ey :laughing :cry :p :laughing

Eric, with your head that close to the sight, one pull of the trigger and you're gonna have a problem...don't ask how I know...

[Holeshot]

It's teach you "anything", not "nothing".

There, I taught you something not even related to the thread!

[NoGall]

Hmmm, I just realized something funny -- at least to me. In keeping with the tradition of BARF where gear Nazi run wild... We give you firearm safety Nazi. Okay, not that funny.

[ScorpioVI]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
and my ds. police issued 12 guage

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1068490-gunz_003.jpg




Holy shit! I am in awe. I must move to Arizona soon because of their superior knowledge of firearm safety and shooting stances.

Here in California, we call the above stance, "the chicken wing". Completely worthless for supporting the weight of your firearm and absorbing recoil (who needs to do that for a shotgun anyway) but it's ultimate purpose is to ward of your attacker by employing your secondary line of defense, that nasty fucking stench of your armpit.

Oh, it's also good for a laugh when you do that at the local range and let's everybody know that you are a complete tool so they can then safely keep one eye on you. You'll also notice that the veteran shooters will have their strong hand hovering over the butt of their 1911s so they can shoot you down like a dog the moment you do something stupid.

Edit: Forgot to add that if you posted on the Counter-Strike forums with that picture. You'd fit right in, and hordes of pimple-sporting 12-year olds would be all over your jock in hopes of acquiring some of your expertise.

But don't listen to me, I'm just a dumb Californian. :wtf

If I had a fuckin dollar for everytime I called you an idiot, I'd swear I could be riding that damn 1000RR by now.

[sohijiro]

im surprised you have guns KS, thats pretty cool. hey at least we have something in common. i thought you were totally left wing

[sohijiro]

and you listen to muse, thats good too LOL

now PROOF READ YOUR DAMN ANTI BUSH ARTICLES, the last sources you have used have totally negated your arguements, your getting sloppy LOL

[Likely2BAirborn]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
sorry about your friend, but this goofball most likely has more experience, respect and knows more about guns than you do. :p Experience? Probably. Luck? Definetly if you act like that and still have a full famliy AND are around yourself. Respect? I doubt that. It is a known rule that you dont put your finger on the trigger unless you want to shoot. What if you were startled, pull the trigger and the .44 FMJ goes right through your cannon coolpix there and strikes some kid in the head? Respect means you UNDERSTAND the power and danger of our wepon and you DONT TAKE CHANCES. You are oviously taking a chance there, photos dont lie. It dosent matter if you are from AZ. It dosent matter if you fuck around with your guns all day for 30 years. It takes 1 mistake to end it all. With all your experience you should know that cowboy.

-The ignorant cat from cali.

[tony]

I'm in - but decline to embarrass myself with photos.

[sohijiro]

if the hammer is down, cant you still drop the weapon on the hammer and it will go off? and since the hammer in on the ground the gun will be pointing up , and shoot you.

i keep my guns loaded at night, but never chambered.
i honestly dont know what i would do with a revolver maybe have a empty cylinder to keep in on

[RickyHayden]

Originally posted by sohijiro

i keep my guns loaded at night, but never chambered.


Never Chambered?? My ish is within arms reach of my bed 24/7 loaded and chambered....

If someone is in my house i dont want to let them know im coming by charging my weapon....

Plus I know its good to go....just clear the safety and ill be good with no malfuntions;)

[Likely2BAirborn]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
just to remind you, i did say, "the hammer was down" you know what the hammer is right?

So what you are telling me is that when the hammer is down, the trigger locks and the wepon can not be fired? I know for a fact that at least the glock is dual action. Either way you are completely missing the boat. My point is that you are willing to take the risk. Personally I try to eliminate as much risk as possible. Wait let me put this in a way you will understand it. Please hold.

[Likely2BAirborn]

"When you dont do EVERYTHING you can for your saftey and everyone elses, you are taking a risk."

-ken


SOURCES

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75360

[sohijiro]

Originally posted by RickyHayden
Never Chambered?? My ish is within arms reach of my bed 24/7 loaded and chambered....

If someone is in my house i dont want to let them know im coming by charging my weapon....

Plus I know its good to go....just clear the safety and ill be good with no malfuntions;)

yeah but you got a freaking USP, with the double action hammer. i dont have that, if i had that feature , then yeah id keep is chambered.

[My900ss]

Well I have lived in Tennessee, Virginia, Georgia and Texas. They all have very lax gun laws. I had a carry permit in both Virginia and Georgia. So by Kneesparx's logic I have lived in more states that are known for gun use than even Arizona so I must be the most knowledgeable person on Barf relating to guns. Ha ha :teeth I said Kneesparx and logic in the same sentence, I crack me up.

The point your missing is if the gun “could” go off then it is unsafe. There is no argument that with a fully loaded revolver the gun can go off. Hence the comment your actions are unsafe. Remove a round from the leading chamber to be safe. It can be said your judgment is clouded, as are your political views.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Single action Ill buy. How about the glock? BTW I dont stunt. I like how you bust out the little stabs like I don't have a clue as to what I am talking about. Like its impossible for that to be a double action revolver. You will notice in the last post I stated that I knew the GLOCK was double action. Slow down and read pal. This isnt a political battle, your allowed to think a little.

[Holeshot]

Tell me one person you know that needed that gun chambered. It takes such little time to chamber a weapon and works as a deterrent as well...and gives you time to think about whom you're about to light up. THAT is preventative ownership.

[sohijiro]

i dont know..... but ways seem cool to me, im sure as hell not goign to chamber my kimber when i go sleep, but id probably do it in a USP beacuse of the double action,

i can see how having to chamber it if someone is in your house might be a problem. i rarely get failure to feed though. oh well whatever floats your boat, theres a lot more dangerous situations out there. for all you know, your neighbors houses pilot light went out and is filling with gas and is about to explode any second from now

[Likely2BAirborn]

I have a USP also. I leave it unloaded. Mag at the ready. Last thing I need is someone using my shit against me. If someone gets the drop on you, you should be ready. No gettin shot by my own gun. Mainly I keep it unloaded becuase its simply safer. You can never be too careful.

[Holeshot]

That and if they're that close, I'm done anyway...

[Melissa]

Shit can't all of you gun toting motorcycle riders jest get along!
Melissa

[Shotline]

:banana WooHoo, one of my threads went over 100 replies :banana

Your all gay for arguing about this. :infrandom

[Likely2BAirborn]

Yeah maybe. Just keep your happy ass out of the old threads :twofinger

[Shotline]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
congrats, btw theres too much arguing about too many things here on barf, its all gay. i cant wait till the elections over, then hopefully barf will be full of love again :teeth

Unfortunately, I predict you will continue to do your cut and paste anti-Bush crap (since he is going to win):laughing

[cardinal03]

my gun's penis is bigger than your gun's penis!

[Billness]

Another armed Democrat ... ;) :D

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1069910-hk.jpg

[Holeshot]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
did you look up action vs reaction yet?

it means: action is faster than reaction, that is why many choose to chamber their guns ;)

Maybe, I just want to think about what I'm doing and whom I'm shooting before I do so...

Billness: that's a nice piece. I was looking at one of those or the P229 when I got my Sig. It was a tough choice...

[Billness]

Thanks! I'm thinking of picking up a P229 to keep it company as well. What do you think of yours?

Since we're all sharing around the campfire, I keep mine unloaded but with two mags of hollowpoints right next to it. In most cases, with the arrangement of my apartment, I'll be reaching for the baseball bat first anyway. (It's a very small space; I'm not worried about the extra time to load a magazine since if time were that short I probably wouldn't even be able to get to the weapon at all.)

[ScorpioVI]

I keep all my stuff unloaded and unchambered...









...well, except for this one...




:teeth

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1070352-040224_myguns_ak47_600.jpg

[ScorpioVI]

j/k

My primary HDF is a Mossberg 500 w/ a really light load.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Nice airsoft :teeth

[ScorpioVI]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Nice airsoft :teeth

Yup, Tokyo Marui makes the best AK-47s! :laughing :teeth

[NoGall]

Originally posted by badbad
Do paintball pellets hurt when you're hit? Can they break the skin? Would it be assault if one were shot outside a game? Just curious~thanks.

Yes. Depends on distance. Yes.

[Big Dave]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
Tom, not chambered, but yes their all loaded, in my neighborhood, its necissary, theres an old thread here in the un-searchable kitchen sink about a group of guys trying to break into my house, not to mention being <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A> jacked (or bike jacked) + many other stories of groups of guys robing me when i was younger here.

You say that you were robbed there too when you were younger there? Well I think the solution would probably be to move out of your parents house. Im sure your mommy never know the gun was loaded when she took that picture of you, but the excuse "well the hammer was down" won't hold up in court when you shoot her smarty.:cry :cry :laughing

[Likely2BAirborn]

:laughing I doubt mommy took that pic.

[sohijiro]

i need a digi so i can take pics of my guns, doh

[Big Dave]

If you are not really that young then I think it's your parents that are cursed, not you.

[tony]

I generally follow this guys approach.

from packing.org
Condition 4: Chamber empty, magazine removed, weapon on safe.

Condition 3: Chamber empty, magazine inserted, weapon on safe.

Condition 2: Round chambered, magazine inserted, hammer down. Applies to single actions where pulling the trigger in this condition will not fire a round.

Condition 1: Round chambered, magazine inserted, weapon cocked, weapon on safe.

Any time I feel the need to have the weapon ON MY PERSON, I carry in condition 1. If I have the weapon off my body (under the car seat, or in the nightstand drawer), it is in condition 3.

[DanZX9R]

Ok I'm in i will protect BARF from attacks from the East Bay!

[kimchee]

Jesus H Christ!!!
let the man practice his right to bear arms and do it in whatever way he sees fit.

If you are skeptical of his ability to handle his weapons in a safe manner then dont fuckin go over to his house.

And IF you guys think he will end up blasting a hole into a family member then you can praise your darwin afterwards.

Im sure hes not the only one in AMERICA that keeps his weapon chambered.

no one wants to hear you guys lecture on gun safety. if ur gonna advocate 2nd amendment rights youre going to have to accept that not EVERYONE will be as "responsible" as you.

[NoGall]

Originally posted by kimchee
Jesus H Christ!!!
let the man practice his right to bear arms and do it in whatever way he sees fit.

If you are skeptical of his ability to handle his weapons in a safe manner then dont fuckin go over to his house.

And IF you guys think he will end up blasting a hole into a family member then you can praise your darwin afterwards.

Im sure hes not the only one in AMERICA that keeps his weapon chambered.

no one wants to hear you guys lecture on gun safety. if ur gonna advocate 2nd amendment rights youre going to have to accept that not EVERYONE will be as "responsible" as you.

Lighten up, Kimchee. Peeps are just having some fun with Kneesparx.

[Holeshot]

Originally posted by Billness
Thanks! I'm thinking of picking up a P229 to keep it company as well. What do you think of yours?



I really like mine. It shoots a nice tight grouping at 25 and 50, but I had to replace the spring once. Think it was just an odd defect...the weight is great, but shooting shitty rounds in it won't work the heavy slides, so premium ammo is all it gets now.

[Holeshot]

Dave,

Sorry man, on this issue I'm 100% against you. It's not "His" responsibility that is his alone...it's all of ours. We need to/ HAVE to, control others with weapons so that the gun nazi's won't take ours with dubious means.

Gear nazi's make me laugh. Gun safety advocates do not. Period. I can't recall one case when flip flops and shorts on a bike hurt anyone but those wearing the gear. I can recall many cases where the handler of a loaded weapon inadvertently shot someone.

KS has poor judgment. It's no surprise it pervades this avenue of his life.

[kimchee]

thats a big burden to place upon yourself berto.

the way i see it there is a discrepency between what you two deem "safe"

so the issue isnt that one party is not practicing gun safety its that you two can not come to an agreement on how guns should be controlled.

I doubt either of you will resign from your POVs.

[Holeshot]

Dave, anyone who's in the "know" understands that you don't put fingers on triggers till it's go time...

[ScorpioVI]

Four Rules Of Gun Safety

1. All firearms are always loaded.
2. Always keep a firearm pointed in a safe direction.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
4. Always be sure of your target and know what is behind it.

Deviation from any of the 4 means somebody could lose their life.

There is no "discrepancy" between what we think is safe and what kneesparx thinks is safe. His way is UNSAFE, period.

It's our responsibility as gun-owners to correct those amongst us who fail to meet up to standards. Any unintentional discharge, whether or not they actually strike the proverbial bus full of nuns, is ammunition for gun-control advocates to use against us. So it IS our business.

[Shotline]

Originally posted by ScorpioVI
Four Rules Of Gun Safety

1. All firearms are always loaded.
2. Always keep a firearm pointed in a safe direction.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
4. Always be sure of your target and know what is behind it.

Deviation from any of the 4 means somebody could lose their life.

There is no "discrepancy" between what we think is safe and what kneesparx thinks is safe. His way is UNSAFE, period.

It's our responsibility as gun-owners to correct those amongst us who fail to meet up to standards. Any unintentional discharge, whether or not they actually strike the proverbial bus full of nuns, is ammunition for gun-control advocates to use against us. So it IS our business.

:thumbup

[kimchee]

I believe the pictures are for dramatic effect. If youre going to take a picture of yourself aiming a gun at the camera its obviously not to show how responsible of a gun owner you are.

other people have posted in this thread that they keep their weapons chambered. Other people in various other threads have taken pictures aiming at the camera. Others have taken pics with fingers on triggers.

again dramatic effect. Likely2 also has his elbow high up in your "chicken wing" yet you guys havent begun to lecture any of the others.

no one here has placed their finger on the trigger of an unloaded weapon? when i am checking out guns I never place my finger on the trigger loaded or not...but if it were my gun which I had carnal knowledge of I would probably do it every now and then.

I dont have a problem with you guys feeling the obligation to educate the community. Its your right and if you feel its being jeapordized by someone like kneesparx then have at it but lookinag the responses he gets versus others its apparent that you have singled him out for a reason.

i agree his posts are a bit erratic and crazed. i agree he may not be the "safest" person holding those guns but i dont agree that these personal attacks are helping any to educate him.

[rdcyclist]

Originally posted by kimchee
I believe the pictures are for dramatic effect. ...i agree his posts are a bit erratic and crazed... helping any to educate him. Yes, dramatic effect.

Yes, he's erratic and crazed.

No, he isn't going to get educated here or anywhere else. He's gonna educate us! :laughing

[NoGall]

Originally posted by kimchee


I dont have a problem with you guys feeling the obligation to educate the community. Its your right and if you feel its being jeapordized by someone like kneesparx then have at it but lookinag the responses he gets versus others its apparent that you have singled him out for a reason.



Like I said earlier, peeps are poking at Eric, but he is doing fine fending off the pack on his own, and being a good sport. He has had plenty of practice on the daily "Bush = Bad" posts. The game will continue whether you have a problem with it or not.

[Likely2BAirborn]

1) It is our job to police others. I was simply trying to help the guy out until he had to bust out with the "I know more than you" bullshit.

2) Dramatic effect does not require you to have your wepon loaded nad your finger on the trigger.

3)My elbow is high because my body position was ALL fucked up. You have seen me befor Dave, im tall. My cam was on a 3' table. Holding the position for the click was difficult enough. And even so, arm position has nothing to do with saftey.

Pratice what you preach man. I hope to never see a single post about you questioning someone elses saftey on the road, that would be hipocricy.

We can all be silent but that does nothing. When you see danger and you say nothing your are risking the lives of innocent people and even the person poseing the threat. Burring you head in the sand puts you at risk for being kicked in the ass.

[Likely2BAirborn]

And to kneesparx's credit you will notice that even with a few stabs here and there, he is continueing to have an honest, meaningful, ADULT conversation. If all threads were like that, we wouldnt need moderators.

[Holeshot]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
nad your finger on the trigger.



Nading your finger on the trigger's one tough thing! I've heard guys get kicked out of Spec Ops for not being able to do it...!!!

But, it was KS's, "I'm from the desert, I know more than you" attitude and then his obvious display that he did not know more than most of us...but KS is being amiable for sure...despite the shit.

[RedHornet]

I got an idea! Let's all get together and go target shooting. I haven't done it in YEARS. You all can bring your toys and someone can teach me how to shoot.

[Holeshot]

I think the point is you DON'T want some of these people are you and guns at the same time...

[RedHornet]

Jesus Christ... I just want to learn how to shoot.

Alan knows his shit. Alan.. when do you have a free night?

[Billness]

Alan does know his shit ... and who knows when my cousin'll get back from Iraq ... so, any volunteers? I know I could use a technique clinic too, I'm doing something stupid and haven't shot in a year anyway.

Is TargetMasters still doing Ladies' Night on Thursdays?

Ya'll shoulda seen this WWII Harley at SC Bike Night ... Alan was going to steal it for the arsenal but had a last-second conscience attack:

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1071700-picture_16_.jpg

[Shotline]

Cool Bike, I would love to get my hands on a WWII era Army motorcycle.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Billness


Is TargetMasters still doing Ladies' Night on Thursdays?



I think they still are. RedHornet what are you doing next Thursday?

Wanna go shoot some guns :cool :teeth

[Father J]

l

[RydTher]

I'm down for a range day.

Keep in mind there is the Los Altos range (off hwy 35). Outdoors, various distances, pistol, rifle, shotgun.

[mikev]

Originally posted by thump thump
Heh! Anyone else right handed but with a left master eye?

The only thing I could really make work was a sight called a 'single point' where I could shoot with both eyes open.

Guilty!

Shooting an M16, I had to just close my right eye (my right eye sees like garbage anyways)

With my contacts in I can shoot a handgun with my right eye though w00t!

[Eisernkreuz]

The UC Davis "Bargain Barn" is selling some old GMC buses; V6 diesel, 45 passenger, over a million miles, $2000. I was thinking we get a bunch of us militia folks together and cop one of these; we could make it our official troop crawler or something. It's an old GMC, so you know it's bulletproof!! :laughing

Here's what I was thinking, we could put turrets on it and shit:

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1072179-155581.jpg

[sohijiro]

sweet i want one of those buses, and also one of those 10ft long joints that are in the foreground AHHAHA

[sohijiro]

RANGE DAY!!!!!!!!! and this time, none of this: everyone scattered all over the place, at the last range day i pretty much saw NO ONE there and shot by myself, not to mention i had to drive all the way to metcalf for it

AND WHAT IS NADING YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER?

[sohijiro]

your a hardcore leftist because you can see the light? whats that supposed to mean.

well typically left wing favors gun control, and pretty much gun bans altogether,. so its very unliberal of you to own guns. i dont see any problem with that at all,. as long as you vote against gun control. otherwise......... that would be fairly hypocritical

i applaude you for owning guns, that pretty cool,,, and in fact it now i have a much better opinion of you overall
but people are concerned with your gun handling techniques or lack thereof, because although im sure your a very accomplished gun owner and shooter, if you accidently shoot someone or yourself, thats just one more strike against gun owners, that anti-gun forces will use against us. the soccer mom voter already thinks every gun owner is some bad person, so you fucking up somehow (and im not saying you will) will affect all of us, this applies to every gun owner, including me....

imean do whatever you want. juggle loaded handguns if you want. its a free country, but your actions affects all of us, and its pretty harmful to your health if you shoot yourself lol...
for example if you rode around with no helmet on, yeah im sure everyone here would voice some concern and criticize you on your actions reguardless of your political stance. it will also make us bikers look bad too.

oh well, just be careful, and remember a mechanical safety is prone to failure. so you cant really rely on half-cock. and the odds of you dropping the gun and it shooting you, well they are slim, but once it happens,,,, im sure youll wish you didnt keep it on a loaded chamber. im sure you kept your finger on the trigger for the photo, so overall im not pissing myself over it, cuz i really dont care, just be careful. it doesnt matter how comfortable you are around firearms. they will still kill you

[sohijiro]

its ok, im not worried, "guns dont kill people, minorites do"...

LOLOLOL that has to be the most fucked up funny thing ive ever heard

[magyarbetyar]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Hmm open mouth insert foot. While you spray and pray from 100 yards, ill take my one round head shot. Its economical! If youre any good at all, you dont need multiple shots. Especially from a 7.62 x 54. That will end you.


No Ken what you really need is 75rnds of 7.62x39 :teeth

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/159/1067906-rpk-47b.jpg

[magyarbetyar]

Originally posted by ScorpioVI
Holy shit! I am in awe. I must move to Arizona soon because of their superior knowledge of firearm safety and shooting stances.

Here in California, we call the above stance, "the chicken wing". Completely worthless for supporting the weight of your firearm and absorbing recoil (who needs to do that for a shotgun anyway) but it's ultimate purpose is to ward of your attacker by employing your secondary line of defense, that nasty fucking stench of your armpit.

Oh, it's also good for a laugh when you do that at the local range and let's everybody know that you are a complete tool so they can then safely keep one eye on you. You'll also notice that the veteran shooters will have their strong hand hovering over the butt of their 1911s so they can shoot you down like a dog the moment you do something stupid.

Edit: Forgot to add that if you posted on the Counter-Strike forums with that picture. You'd fit right in, and hordes of pimple-sporting 12-year olds would be all over your jock in hopes of acquiring some of your expertise.

But don't listen to me, I'm just a dumb Californian. :wtf

If I had a fuckin dollar for everytime I called you an idiot, I'd swear I could be riding that damn 1000RR by now.


:laughing :laughing :laughing :laughing

[Shotline]

Originally posted by magyarbetyar
No Ken what you really need is 75rnds of 7.62x39 :teeth

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/159/1067906-rpk-47b.jpg

Nice:thumbup

[RedHornet]

Angel, Billness & B12Bill.. how does next Thursday sound? Where and what time?

Anyone else can join us if you keep your political debates at home. Let's get together and do some target shooting.. then go have a beer afterwords. Sound good to anyone?

[Angel]

I can do it as long as it is after 6:00

Here is Thundercat 600R giving me some lessons :)

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1072491-angelshooting.jpg

[Likely2BAirborn]

Originally posted by Dreadjay
My Mini-30 at rest:laughing

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1072127-hpim0580__small_.jpg

I have that same stock. I take if off when it goes in public.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
you and the other right wingers obviously havent read anything ive said without bias. oh well, im guilty of that with all the political threads ;)

if you re-read this entire thread with no bias, you will see that you have been

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/147/1069647-knee_owns.jpg

;)

I could care less about the politics. I stay the hell out of them anyway. I just call it as I see it ;) Argueing with you is like trying to nail jello to a tree.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Originally posted by Shotline
Nice:thumbup Got any good deals on 7.62 x 39? None of that WOLF garbage please.

[Thundercat 600R]

Originally posted by Angel
I can do it as long as it is after 6:00

Here is Thundercat 600R giving me some lessons :)

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1072491-angelshooting.jpg


:laughing :laughing Those Monitors never knew what hit em:teeth That was fun we should go back out there again.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Thundercat 600R
:laughing :laughing Those Monitors never knew what hit em:teeth That was fun we should go back out there again.

YES YES YES!!!!

[Shotline]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Got any good deals on 7.62 x 39? None of that WOLF garbage please.

No, but my research indicates that the stuff wolf sells is the same as everyone else is selling.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Yeah I fucked up and quoted the wrong theread. I know YOU dont know shit! :laughing :twofinger It was meant for Mag

[ScorpioVI]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Got any good deals on 7.62 x 39? None of that WOLF garbage please.


Dude, what are you talking about? WOLF is good shit. I wouldn't use their handgun calibers but the 7.62X39 is as good as anything out there (and I think better than most in terms of reliability). I've had damn near 100% reliability on my AK using WOLF.

[Likely2BAirborn]

I get a lot of bang bang click on my 30 with it. Thing fired 1000 roudns of winchester flawlessly.

[Father J]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
I have that same stock. I take if off when it goes in public.
I moded it so it does'nt fold now.
I have taken it to metcalf before w/ no questions.;)

[ScorpioVI]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
I get a lot of bang bang click on my 30 with it. Thing fired 1000 roudns of winchester flawlessly.

Ahh, yes, WOLF ammo is notorious for having hard primers. I'm guessing the pin on your Mini is too weak to punch the primers with any sort of reliability.

[Father J]

Originally posted by ScorpioVI
Ahh, yes, WOLF ammo is notorious for having hard primers. I'm guessing the pin on your Mini is too weak to punch the primers with any sort of reliability.
Hey!:mad



















:twofinger

[RydTher]

Originally posted by ScorpioVI
Ahh, yes, WOLF ammo is notorious for having hard primers. I'm guessing the pin on your Mini is too weak to punch the primers with any sort of reliability.

and possibly having steel cores, causing neat sparkling when striking a steel backstop :laughing

[ScorpioVI]

Originally posted by B12Bill
and possibly having steel cores, causing neat sparkling when striking a steel backstop :laughing

No, that was SILVER BEAR, not WOLF.

[Eisernkreuz]

Originally posted by ScorpioVI
Dude, what are you talking about? WOLF is good shit. I wouldn't use their handgun calibers but the 7.62X39 is as good as anything out there (and I think better than most in terms of reliability). I've had damn near 100% reliability on my AK using WOLF.

Do you know if their 7.62x54R is any good?

[ScorpioVI]

Originally posted by Webberstyle
Do you know if their 7.62x54R is any good?


I have no idea, never shot it myself and don't know anybody shooting that caliber.

Check out the following forums though:

http://www.battlerifles.com/
http://www.thehighroad.org/

[Shotline]

Cheaperthandirt.com has 7.62x54R the cheapest so far.

500 rounds for $119.75

[ScorpioVI]

Originally posted by Shotline
Cheaperthandirt.com has 7.62x54R the cheapest so far.



I hate CTD. Everytime I open the catalog I see something I want to order. Then I go and order it and I end up ordering 700 other items because everything is so cheap. When all is said and done, it ain't so cheap anymore.

:laughing :p

[Billness]

It must be run by Costco ...

Thursday sounds like good trigger time. I'm in.

[Likely2BAirborn]

how about 780 rds for 74 bucks

[Likely2BAirborn]

check that. 500 rds for 94 bucks. The other stuff was "mildly corrosive" :laughing

[Shotline]

I am going for the non-corrosive as I don't want to have to windex my rifle.

[Eisernkreuz]

Ammunitionstore.com has 500rds of Wolf 148gr. FMJ non-cor for $97

Linky (http://www.ammunitionstore.com/Images/Ammo/A036.8.htm)

[Eisernkreuz]

Hey Tom...

[Eisernkreuz]

Originally posted by Shotline
:banana WooHoo, one of my threads went over 100 replies :banana

200!!!

:banana

:teeth

[Likely2BAirborn]

I found 780rds non coros 74.49

[Shotline]

Originally posted by Webberstyle
200!!!

:banana

:teeth


HAHAHAHA, I AM A GOD!!!!!!


:nerd

[Likely2BAirborn]

Just found your popular little m-44 for 39 bucks :laughing maybe ill pick one up

[Shotline]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
I found 780rds non coros 74.49

Then post up a link Bozo boy.

[Eisernkreuz]

Originally posted by Shotline
Then post up a link Bozo boy.

Please do! If it's decent stuff, I'd like to split it with you, Tom (or 1/3, or 1/4, whatever) otherwise, I think I'll go with

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1073678-a037.1.jpg

[Likely2BAirborn]

Bozo boy? What the hell is that mickey mouse bullshit?

http://www.southernohiogun.com/ammunition.html

[Eisernkreuz]

Likely, I checked www.7.62x54r.net and this caught my eye in the FAQ section:

"Q. Where can I find non-corrosive surplus 7.62x54r ammo?
A. You can't, it doesn't exist in spite of they way it is often advertised."

I'm willing to bet that all Czech silvertip is corrosive...

[Likely2BAirborn]

Hmm ok. Hell its an 80 dollar gun. Fuck it. Just clean it asap.

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
if the BARF Militia needs anything painted, we'll call you :laughing :teeth

:laughing :laughing :laughing :laughing

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by Holeshot
But, it was KS's, "I'm from the desert,

Shit, and all this time, I thought you meant "Kitchen Sink" when you said "KS"!

:p

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by Webberstyle
Here's what I was thinking, we could put turrets on it and shit:

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1072179-155581.jpg

When I was in HS, some geek friend of mine drove around in an old Town and Country wagon that had a mock anti aircraft gun mounted in the back, Wish I had photos, it was incredibly baddass for a 16 year old to be driving around with twin 40's sticking out of the back!

THese days though.... Not the sharpest idea! :wow

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by sohijiro
i applaude you for owning guns, that pretty cool,,, and in fact it now i have a much better opinion of you overall
So the big time lib owns a gun! BFD! Wes Clark has an arsenal, and ran for President as a Democrat!

Some people crack me up. Without knowing anything else about someone, they label them as the enemy because of a particular view. I don't know about you, but just because someone is pro-choice, that does not make them my best buddy. If they want to ban private ownership of firearms, they can kiss my ass.

Kneesparks favors the second ammendment, and he's a liberal. I support Israel's right to defend themselves, and I'm a liberal. Jeez, I also want to retain my right to arm myself in defense of dictatorial governments that I did not elect! What am I, CRAZY????

(don't answer that, I know the answer already.)

Sorry to diverge into hardcore Kitchen Sink politics mode. I don't actually own any firearms. If Bush wins re-election though, I'm definitely going to start developing an arsenal.

[Shotline]

Originally posted by GetaGripGreg
So the big time lib owns a gun! BFD! Wes Clark has an arsenal, and ran for President as a Democrat!

Some people crack me up. Without knowing anything else about someone, they label them as the enemy because of a particular view. I don't know about you, but just because someone is pro-choice, that does not make them my best buddy. If they want to ban private ownership of firearms, they can kiss my ass.

Kneesparks favors the second ammendment, and he's a liberal. I support Israel's right to defend themselves, and I'm a liberal. Jeez, I also want to retain my right to arm myself in defense of dictatorial governments that I did not elect! What am I, CRAZY????

(don't answer that, I know the answer already.)

Sorry to diverge into hardcore Kitchen Sink politics mode. I don't actually own any firearms. If Bush wins re-election though, I'm definitely going to start developing an arsenal.

The problem is that the politicians you support, the democrats, are against gun ownership of any kind. They will not say it outright because they know there are many like you who want their right to own firearms. So, instead of an outright ban, they are incrementally reducing WHAT guns can be owned until we get to the point that a sling-shot will be illegal.

[Shotline]

Originally posted by kneeSparX
tru that Shot, im with you there, but to me, the bullshit were in today far outweighs that. yes the dems arent perfect by far, but neither are the republicans. i see the majority pushing towards the right, so i push left, because if either side gets too powerful, were all in a world of shit. (my 2 cents)

Try to look longer term. The laws that are passed today will be almost impossible to repeal tomorrow.

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by Shotline
The problem is that the politicians you support, the democrats, are against gun ownership of any kind.

That is flat out wrong, it's bullshit, it is misinformation.

Like the example I used, Wesley Clark, a DEMOCRAT, owns plenty of weapons and could hardly be described as trying to repeal the second ammendment. There are many others with much longer Democratic credentials.

By the way, I am not a Democrat, I am independant (like Kneesparx).

Just because a few high profile Democrats make news for arguing for gun control does not make the party against private ownership. Kerry certainly isn't going to fight the NRA on any significant issue. Any reasonably intelligent person can figure out that making guns illegal does nothing to limit criminals' access to guns.

KneeSparx, sorry for pegging you as a lib. These days, it seems it's one or the other, and I'm not immune to falling for that polarized BS. I still consider myself a hard core liberal, even thouth I am pro-gun and pro-Israel. I believe in freedom and equality... two things conservatives seem to have forgotten of late.

[Likely2BAirborn]

HEY Dont make this a political thread too. Jesus man. No thread is safe from you guys spraying your political urine!

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
HEY Dont make this a political thread too. Jesus man. No thread is safe from you guys spraying your political urine!

Yeah! I like guns and I like to shoot them.

:thumbup


M38, $79.99 at Big 5!
:cool

[GetaGripGreg]

Oh and hey, the title is "BARF Militia". Militias generally are formed because of a political conflict. We all have reason to be armed against our political opponents, some more than others.

So hell yeah, I'll join the militia. Just expect a little civil conflict in the ranks.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Yeah there is like 50 political conflict threads. Dont try to loop hole me with your political games!

[Shotline]

Originally posted by GetaGripGreg
That is flat out wrong, it's bullshit, it is misinformation.

Like the example I used, Wesley Clark, a DEMOCRAT, owns plenty of weapons and could hardly be described as trying to repeal the second ammendment. There are many others with much longer Democratic credentials.

By the way, I am not a Democrat, I am independant (like Kneesparx).

Just because a few high profile Democrats make news for arguing for gun control does not make the party against private ownership. Kerry certainly isn't going to fight the NRA on any significant issue. Any reasonably intelligent person can figure out that making guns illegal does nothing to limit criminals' access to guns.

KneeSparx, sorry for pegging you as a lib. These days, it seems it's one or the other, and I'm not immune to falling for that polarized BS. I still consider myself a hard core liberal, even thouth I am pro-gun and pro-Israel. I believe in freedom and equality... two things conservatives seem to have forgotten of late.

No, you are wrong!!!

Just because you can name a few democrats that own guns doesn't mean shit. Westley Clark isn't even a politician is he?

I can name you a gun owning democrate that doesn't want you or I to have guns.

Don Perata has a conceled carry permit but is the biggest anti-gun nut out there.

So yes, there are a few democrate politicians that own guns, but the party platform is anti-gun.

Just take a look at a list of gun laws and who introduced them. I would bet that 90-100% have a big fat D after their name.

[Shotline]

Just to prove my point:

California Gun laws passed in 2003

Assembly bills
AB 161 (Steinberg, 6/30/03)—Permits the DoJ to use for practically any purpose the fees obtained from prospective gun buyers (the "DROS" acct). Requires that provisions passed last year that require the DoJ to verify status of licenses be funded from the money obtained from gun buyers, whereas the original provisions passed last year made the implementation contingent upon the DROS account having excess funds in it by 2004. Part of a group of laws recently passed to make gun buyers pay for things that should be paid by others.
AB 1044 (Negrete-McLeod, 5/29/03)—Ends the requirement for the DoJ to maintain copies of concealed carry permit applications. Amendment deleted permission for local issuing authorities to destroy records of applications, which could have caused problems for people pursuing legal action against those authorities.

AB 1232 (Lowenthal, am. 5/19/03)—Require reporting theft or loss of handguns within five working days of the time someone thinks the owner should reasonably have known of the theft or loss.

AB 1290 (Jackson, 4/29/03)—Adds some types of restraining or protective orders for which the person given the order would be prohibited from possessing a firearm.

AB 1455 (Negrete-McCleod, 2/21/03)—Adds to the exemptions in penal code 417.2 (prohibition against imitation firearms) any gun that shoots small plastic projectiles using gas, air or spring.

Senate bills
SB 255 (Ducheny, am. 4/7/03)—Provides for people to be able to obtain the background check normally required for acquisition of a firearm, but without the requirement to actually acquire the firearm. Guaranteed to result in extra scrutiny for anyone who avails herself of the opportunity since the person would be obviously uncertain if she is eligible to acquire firearms.
SB 489 (Scott, am. 8/18)—A 2nd, successful try at getting semiauto handgun safety features mandated. It will eventually require both the features proposed by SB 190, but is ambiguous about the definition of the loaded chamber indicator (where the SB 190 definition would be impossible to meet). Was originally a bill passed out of the senate on a completely different topic, a ploy to enable the bill to be passed without senator mcpherson having to let the bill through the sen. public safety cmte. and consequently suffering the ire of those who care about the RKBA. (He is the only "republican" trusted by the dems to chair a cmte, and did poorly in his run for an executive office in the last election.)

SB 824 (Scott, 8/18/03)—Permits firearm dealers to require each "agent" who has contact with firearms, or sells/delivers them, to obtain from the DoJ a certificate of eligibility (background check) the same as the dealer. More importantly, allows local authorities to impose security requirements upon dealers over and above those specified by state law, so it could essentially enable individual jurisdictions to prohibit firearm dealerships in their areas! Amended to require the dealer to record the date when a handgun is delivered to a recipient.


Every one of the names listed is a democrate.

[Holeshot]

Originally posted by GetaGripGreg


By the way, I am not a Democrat, I am independant (like Kneesparx).

I still consider myself a hard core liberal...

????? Which is it?

[sohijiro]

so whens the range day? rickeyhayden, gsxrsix,youngwill, and I went to target masters last night and tore it up at the range. i also got to finally shoot my shotgun that night. 100rounds of shotgun ammo at a paper target. that target was WASTED. looked like window screen with the center missing afterwards LOLOLOL we also had a nice USP, glock and customII at the range also!

[lumpia]

Originally posted by GetaGripGreg

Just because a few high profile Democrats make news for arguing for gun control does not make the party against private ownership. Kerry certainly isn't going to fight the NRA on any significant issue. Any reasonably intelligent person can figure out that making guns illegal does nothing to limit criminals' access to guns.



I do seem to recall that Kerry is an avid hunter and he owns firearms. I also seem to recall somewhere that EVERY gun control law that has been passed, and the ones that haven't, do have his signature of approval on it. Something like a 100% track record. When it comes to 2nd amendment rights, I definitely know who's not rooting for us. Just a thought...

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/scorecard/scorecard.php?inds=42

[Rogue]

Originally posted by ScorpioVI
I keep all my stuff unloaded and unchambered...

Dam Alan, how many Airsoft shitz you have??? :laughing









...well, except for this one...




:teeth

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1070352-040224_myguns_ak47_600.jpg :laughing :laughing

[Likely2BAirborn]

R.I.P this thread
:rose

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by Holeshot
????? Which is it?

How can there be any question? I am independant, and a hard core liberal. Believing in liberal ideals does not mean I can't take sides with conservatives on occasion. That's what is so infuriating... being attacked for supporting one side, even when I am an ally on other issues.

People need to attack their opposition less and find more common ground. You can do that while still standing behind your core values, unless one of those core values is hatred for those deemed the enemy.

[Shotline]

That doesn't make you an independant, that makes you a democrat that sometimes agrees with republicans.

Why are you trying to run from being a democat? If those ideals are what you really think, embrace them and celebrate them.

What are you afraid of?:laughing

Why is it liberals hate being called liberal?

[MotoPsycho]

Wow. I cant believe I read all this.

[sohijiro]

every liberal person i met, wont admit they are a liberal, im sorry but if the majority of your views are liberal , then your a liberal.

whats worse is, you say your pro-gun, but then vote democratic! then your not really pro-gun are you? because your supporting anti-gun groups,.. it doesnt matter what you think of feel, the only thing that matters is if you get up and vote for your ideas

[Shotline]

It's like someone who says they are not a smoker and only smoke when they drink.

Then your a smoker dumbass.

:banana Please don't let this thread die:banana

[kneeSparX]

so theres no such thing as an independent than huh, i like how you make you're own rules :rolleyes

[MotoPsycho]

when people use the word 'your' to mean 'you are;' they are dumbasses.

[MotoPsycho]

I didn't mention anybody in particular...

I thought flames had to be directed at specific people...?

[sohijiro]

???? i wasnt plaming, i was speaking in general, well, maybe it was directed a little bit towards what greg said

[deaconblues]

(surfacing from other end of thread, DAMN you guys talk too much)

only thing that is keeping me from owning a firearm is the fact that I'm a foster parent.

Beyond that, I miss my Mauser and my Mossberg 12 guage.


If things ever deteriorate to the point of Autoduel or I-76/82 becoming reality... well, I'd rather toss in with you guys, skewed political views and safety concepts notwithstanding.

And KS, yah, not a good idea to leave a live round in the chamber, single-action or not. :p

I'm no expert, just been around hunting rifles since i was 2 - me da taught us the same thing about his rifles as he did with his ripsaw and his drill press... "if you're not intent on using it for what it was designed, don't screw around with it."

[MotoPsycho]

Your post wasnt even up when I was typing mine, Kneesparx.

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by Shotline
That doesn't make you an independant, that makes you a democrat that sometimes agrees with republicans.

Why are you trying to run from being a democat? If those ideals are what you really think, embrace them and celebrate them.

What are you afraid of?:laughing

Why is it liberals hate being called liberal?

Hey Dumbass, did you read what I wrote?!? :twofinger

'I still consider myself a hard core liberal...'

The Democratic Party is no better than the Republicans on many issues. Nader totally overreaches when he says that they are the same, but they share plenty in common.

I'd join the Libertarians or Greens before I signed on as a Democrat.

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by sohijiro
every liberal person i met, wont admit they are a liberal, im sorry but if the majority of your views are liberal , then your a liberal.

HELLO!?!?!

'I still consider myself a hard core liberal...'


whats worse is, you say your pro-gun, but then vote democratic! then your not really pro-gun are you? because your supporting anti-gun groups,.. it doesnt matter what you think of feel, the only thing that matters is if you get up and vote for your ideas

I vote for whomever I feel best represents my beliefs. Because I am a Liberal, Democratic candidates are far more likely to win my vote.

[magyarbetyar]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Yeah I fucked up and quoted the wrong theread. I know YOU dont know shit! :laughing :twofinger It was meant for Mag

That would be a negative bro :(

[Shotline]

Originally posted by GetaGripGreg
Hey Dumbass, did you read what I wrote?!? :twofinger

'I still consider myself a hard core liberal...'

The Democratic Party is no better than the Republicans on many issues. Nader totally overreaches when he says that they are the same, but they share plenty in common.

I'd join the Libertarians or Greens before I signed on as a Democrat.

Hey I can call names to:

Who is the dumbass here? Libertarians are more conservative than Republicans.

Don't worry Greg, when the time comes, we will even defend your sorry ass and you won't even need to say thankyou.:hand

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by Shotline
Hey I can call names to:

Who is the dumbass here? Libertarians are more conservative than Republicans.

Don't worry Greg, when the time comes, we will even defend your sorry ass and you won't even need to say thankyou.:hand

The dumbass here is the one that refuses to acknowledge that I call myself a liberal, and therefore cannot be accused of being "afraid" of being called a liberal.

Oh, and I'm sorry that I didn't make it obvious enough that I was kidding when I followed "dumbass" with :twofinger.

When "the time comes", you are going to be too busy protecting your compound from a genuine military assault to worry about what side of the rebellion I fall on. Better get out and practice with that russian antique.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Ok simma the fuck down. Who gives a rats ass about this crap. So hes a liberal, maybe hes not. Would you guys like to come over and fight over the color of my couch? Sometimes I feel like I am moderateing a pre school.

Whats with the stab about the gun? Do you really think he bought that thing to defend california? Do you think I own firearms to defent against terrorists? I have firearms becuase I enjoy them. I know shotline personally, he is in the same boat. We would like to protect our right to keep them. This thread was nice until we brought the political BS in here, now its like toddlers fighting over blocks again. :rolleyes

[Eisernkreuz]

Originally posted by GetaGripGreg
When "the time comes", you are going to be too busy protecting your compound from a genuine military assault to worry about what side of the rebellion I fall on. Better get out and practice with that russian antique.

If it wasn't for stupid Feinstein and Boxer, I wouldn't be limited to a Russian antique of the bolt-action type..I would have a Russian antique of the AK-47 type :p

Why is it hard for some people to understand that it's ok to be liberal and not be a Democrat, or have a party at all?

[Shotline]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Ok simma the fuck down. Who gives a rats ass about this crap. So hes a liberal, maybe hes not. Would you guys like to come over and fight over the color of my couch? Sometimes I feel like I am moderateing a pre school.

Whats with the stab about the gun? Do you really think he bought that thing to defend california? Do you think I own firearms to defent against terrorists? I have firearms becuase I enjoy them. I know shotline personally, he is in the same boat. We would like to protect our right to keep them. This thread was nice until we brought the political BS in here, now its like toddlers fighting over blocks again. :rolleyes

I'm just trying to get the thread over 300 replies :twofinger:laughing

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
This thread was nice until we brought the political BS in here, now its like toddlers fighting over blocks again. :rolleyes

300 posts, here we come! :p

[GetaGripGreg]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn

Whats with the stab about the gun? Do you really think he bought that thing to defend california?

Come on. The title is "BARF Militia", which I assume was in jest, but the discussion has veered a dozen different ways, including now that the conservative gun owners are going to be protecting us limp wristed liberals.

I for one do believe in the right to bear arms, and I believe that right is crucial so that we can defend ourselves from our own government if the need arises. If that time comes, I will be armed and I will fight. I doubt however, that a liberal-led government would ever take up arms against it's own people. More likely, the Pentagon would stage a coup and install a conservarvative. :teeth

[Shotline]

258

[Melissa]

ok, ok, 259.

[Likely2BAirborn]

hahahahah

[Likely2BAirborn]

:laughing

[Likely2BAirborn]

:twofinger

[Shotline]

Free post!!!

[Likely2BAirborn]

Im suprised no one got all butt hurt about my clubbing baby seal's line. Im so disapointed!

[Likely2BAirborn]

.

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1090408-picktothehead.png

[Shotline]

Ya can't use a damn pick axe, that ruins the pelt.:twofinger

[Likely2BAirborn]

Originally posted by Shotline
Ya can't use a damn pick axe, that ruins the pelt.:twofinger :laughing :cry :laughing :laughing

[Eisernkreuz]

Originally posted by Shotline
Ya can't use a damn pick axe, that ruins the pelt.:twofinger

:laughing :cry :laughing

:banana

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bryanbaskin/cbspix/sinuses.png
from http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bryanbaskin/clubbing.html

Nuke Baby Seals for Jesus

[Likely2BAirborn]

God damn it. You just gave up my source site

[Meterpig]

1)Kerry has voted for every anti-gun measure. You have bought the lie if you think he is "pro-gun".

2) Oregon enjoys low crime and right to carry. I carry all the time with a round chambered. Do you really think I am going have time to chamber a round? Really? You watch to much TV.

3) If you believe that guns are more apt to be used in an accident then a home invasion, ergo everyones rights must be infringed for a few people, fine. Enjoy , your rising crime rate.

4)If you want low crime, allow right to carry.

[Likely2BAirborn]

I agree on the right to carry.

You CARRY with a round chambered. I assume it is holstered as well. You are not running around town, round chambered, finger on the trigger.

Statistics show (please dont make me look for them :P) that more peopele die from handgun accidents then not. Has nothng to do with rights.

Ergo, concordidly, visa vi

[Meterpig]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Statistics show (please dont make me look for them :P) that more peopele die from handgun accidents then not. Has nothng to do with rights.



Ok, let's think about this. A gun is a tool right? Unless you are Barbera Bitchster of Nanci ugliosi, a gun is a tool. It is designed to shoot a projectile out a barrel towards a target a given velocity.

I bet you I could find a statisitic that showed the more people are killed with all powertools than are used for self defense.

Get the picture?

Would you prefer that the other way around? I would love to live in that part of the world. Oh yeah, that would be England.

As to the finger on the trigger, who cares. He was in his house pointing at his web camera. Are we going to make a law that says you have to lock up your guns all the time because of one or two people? Oh wait, we have.


How about this statistic .


More children die from drowning than they do from guns. That includes drowning in buckets.


Quick! Ban 5 gallon buckets!

[Likely2BAirborn]

Umm buddy. I am FOR guns. I do not wish to ban them. Im simply pushing to exercise some thought and common sence.

Has anyone died becasue some dumbass threw a bucket of water at them? Or did they actually have to make it to the bucket? The only powertools that fire projectiles are electric nail guns, of said deaths, how many are from electric nail guns. Your pissed becuase our firearms are getting banned, but its ok to knowingly take risks that could resualt in the death of another human being and make another strike agains gun owners (as long as you are wearing a tralor park shirt YA GOTTA BE IN UNIFORM! :teeth). Im saying be careful, thats all I'm saying.

[lumpia]

Ummm...274:banana

[vio]

i just read about the sadr ( mahdi army) not to be confused with a militia --- in the newspaper at lunch today!

he says his army is not a militia because "a militia is a group of trained fighters supplied with weapons that has military rankings" his army does not have rankings and therefore he says he can't control the uprising by the (terrorists).

that is all.. just something i read

+1 post

[Likely2BAirborn]

I have been reading that there is this man named Sam, not to be confused with militia. But he highly dislikes green eggs and ham.

[Meterpig]

Airborn, I am fine with telling people to "be careful". I am fine with making laws that it is illegal to discharge a handgun in the city if it not self defense or you shot yourself.


I am NOT okay with a)requiring trigger locks for guns in the home. b)taking people's guns away because they "look" dangerous.

Anybody that even looks like they are trying to accomplish a,or b, will get a serious amount of trouble from me. That is, the political kind of trouble.

Up here in Oregon we enjoy low crime and gun access. I know that will not always be if we slack off and think that it will be that way forever.

Perhaps when a judge or two actually interperets the 2nd ammendment the way that it actually reads, we can all breathe a little easier.

[Likely2BAirborn]

Sounds to me like we dont disagree on anything.

[Shotline]

Come on people, we are almost there.......:banana

[Meterpig]

Originally posted by Likely2BAirborn
Sounds to me like we dont disagree on anything.

I suppose. Maybe when you turn true republican I might think you are ok:laughing

[Likely2BAirborn]

Haha I dont believe in labels.

[lumpia]

282:Port

[sohijiro]

damnnit when are we gonna go shooting?
www.imprezer.com/Storm.MPG

[sohijiro]

lets talk about guns, i went to the store the other day, i want to pick up another handgun, ideally i want a MK23, of course i cant get one, so i want a fullsize tactical, also banned in CA, so the closest thing i could find was the USP expert, i HELLA like it, gotta live the almost 6 inch barrel, im gonna save up for it



so now my next firearm choice is one of the three:

Serbu BFG .50
HK USP Expert .45 acp
Benelli M-4 1014 12ga.

what do you guys think?

[Billness]

Buy them all, Ben! :D

I was just "bequeathed" a compound bow by my buddy while we were cleaning out his garage. Now, can I carry that thing strapped on my back while I ride? Riders of Rohan, mount up!

*cough* 285 *cough*

[Likely2BAirborn]

The expert is SWEET but too pricey.

[Likely2BAirborn]

And by the way, look at taht fucking baby seal thread. 130 posts. If we could have only kept it here!! God damnit!

[Eisernkreuz]

Yeah, fuck..two years until I can buy a pistol :(

If you had an military to arm, what would you choose as the standard rifle, sidearm, sniper, carbine, submachine gun, etc.

I'm partial to European things, so, if not the HK G36, then maybe the FN2000 would be my choice of rifle. Either looks very badass and multipurpose.

FN2000
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ARFN2000.jpg
G36
http://www.tobien.de/Waffen39.jpg

Sidearm would be either Para Ordnance P14-45 or a Beretta 92FS or 96FS

P14
http://www.wa-gunnet.co.jp/english/cool/img/parap14.jpg

96FS
http://www.bootsandsabers.com/images/96fs.jpg


And the sniper would be an SVD Dragunov
http://myhome.naver.net/circle84/ak/images/0529.jpg

[Shotline]

Come on BARF gun freaks, we can do this!!!:thumbup

[Holeshot]

http://www.biggerhammer.net/stoner/aja_left.jpg

SR25's are just cool!

[Father J]

Leave nothing nothing to clean up(environmentally friendly:laughing ):sniper

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1094916-m107b.jpg

[Likely2BAirborn]

Behold the Sako TRG 42 in .338 lapua! Reach out and touch someone. It puts the barret to shame!

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1094996-sako_trg42.jpg

[Father J]

:laughing But with the Barrett you can put the victims in smaller boxes.:laughing

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1095030-samurai.gif

[Shotline]

Plus, the Barrett has poser factor.:thumbup

[Eisernkreuz]

Yeah, they both look good though..

[Eisernkreuz]

I still like the big Russian SVD Dragunov..it might not be a .338 or a .50 cal, but the 7.62x54R works wonders in Ghost Recon :laughing And the fact that it's semi-auto makes it easier to take out a squad of Georgian rebels before they know what hit them. :teeth

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/075/230/1095259-0529.jpg