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Slow speed practice, no experts please

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Roadstergal said:
Oh, don't start. He's going to practice getting on and off the bike 100 times to measure the sag, and bitch that suspension guys don't practice removing subframe bolts enough.
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I know I can't help posting and when he strats blaming the bike I have to say something. I wonder if he does the same with horses, if he'd of bought a shorter horse he wouldn't fall so much:wtf

I do expect him to measure the sag to .001" and then have some reason why he still can't get anyone to talk about endless figure eights. Besides he needs me to help him setup the suspension he won't go to an expert for set up advice and I'm no expert.

The reason his crashes are mostly the front end washing out is becuase he's doing it wrong. He sits straight up and down or leans back, kind of the opposite of the normal attack position on a dirt bike or supermoto. Funny how the front of a dirt bike washes out when there is not much weight over the front wheel. But shhhh do tell him he has it all figured out already.
 
Roadstergal said:
Oh, don't start. He's going to practice getting on and off the bike 100 times to measure the sag, and bitch that suspension guys don't practice removing subframe bolts enough.
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He has a special screw threaded to a nut that's locked in his vice at home. He's practicing turning it back and forth before trying to turn the screws on his suspension.
 
beginner said:
Everything I know about motorcycle experts I've learned in forums like this.
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Because motorcycle experts are incapable of discussing their practice, ie. this thread. It's hard to discuss something you don't do.
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:rolleyes There's your problem right there. People (experts included) don't like talking to a self-righteous brick wall. Furthermore, there are a lot more people LIKE you (and by that I mean the forum-troll part, not the practicing part) claiming to be experts without the requisite qualifications. Or, they may indeed be expert but in racing, for instance.

I enjoy cone weaves, swerves, sudden braking and other slow-speed maneuvers. I commute daily in heavy traffic across a notorious bridge and these maneuvers HAVE saved my ass more than a few times. There is a 1000+ car flat parking lot across the freeway from my house, with cones usually set up for directing traffic. I've had cops stop me and my wife there to ask what we were doing, then tell us 'perfect place to practice' and drive off. Furthermore, there is never a point when I'm on my bike that I'm not thinking of what I'm doing as practice.
Still, I am nowhere near a motorcycle expert like Enchanter or CaptCrash.

beginner said:
Another part of the definition of motorcycle expert is a person who has a product to sell, and if you don't endorse their product, they don't want you around and that can get nasty, ie. this thread.
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Do yourself a favor, and shut the fuck up about this already. You want instruction for free? Did you ever get that from horseriding or piano? You want people's face time, you have to pay for it. On-line is a different story, you can get free advice from nice people if you're not a complete douchebag and actually appear to be taking the advice of the people that are giving it. Still, what are you being so cheap for? You can get so much more out of a real class, ESPECIALLY one designed not only to get people on a bike for the first time but to break long-time riders of their bad habits, because of the real-time feedback. Your long line of pathetic excuses why you refuse to even consider a class has worn thin.

beginner said:
There might be a couple of motorcycle experts in north america who do slow speed practice, at least on rare occaisions, when notoby is watching.
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Ignorant. No other way about it.

beginner said:
I'm just hoping to find a few people who like to practice and like to compare notes on that.I'm interested in sharing ideas with people who enjoy slow speed practice.
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That already happened, 400 posts back. You just never listened,
beginner said:
I'm out of step with the majority of people who ride bikes, that's never going to change.
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Because of this. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

Take the class. Get a license. If your opinions still don't change, I'll pay for it.
Ride safe.
 
crazybob said:
Because of this. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
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That's really good writing. Was gonna stay away but really was impressed by that line. You' ve grabbed onto his martyr complex and labeled beautifully.

(and thanx for the compliment)
 
beginner said:
There might be a couple of motorcycle experts in north america who do slow speed practice, at least on rare occaisions, when notoby is watching. Proving that would be tougher than catching Big Foot.
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Bullshit. Pure and simple. Utter and complete bullshit. Horse pocky. Guano of the highest order. Doo-doo. Turds of madness.

Big Foot is the only company you've been hanging out with lately, and I think his theories on human civilization and customs might be a smidgen uninformed, he's one hell of a conspiracy theorist...

beginner said:
Another part of the definition of motorcycle expert is a person who has a product to sell
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What?? People sometimes get fairly compensated for something they do well, and put food on the table-- HOLY CRAP!! THAT'S CRAZY TALK! WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO??

You know what? The leader of one of the local motorcycle clubs, a guy who's been racing and god knows what else for years, invited any new riders from around here to come over and get one-on-one mentoring from himself or other members of his club. Why? CAUSE HE FELT LIKE IT. No agenda other than awesome. And I will be taking them up on it as soon as I can get myself to Santa Cruz (that's a 150 mile round trip fyi) without keeling over. That's the really real world. You're quite welcome to join it anytime.
 
crazybob said:
there are a lot more people...claiming to be experts without the requisite qualifications. Or, they may indeed be expert but in racing, for instance.
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I'm not an expert. I'm sure about this because I still practice and I'm not getting any money from the motorcycle industry.
You want instruction for free?
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I haven't asked for instruction, paid or free. People who only share ideas when they are paid should not participate in this discussion. The thread title includes, no experts please for a reason.
Did you ever get that from horseriding or piano?
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In riding there is learning from the teacher, which typically costs something, then there are the students learning from each other.
you can get free advice from nice people
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I'm looking for a converstaion, not free advice.
You can get so much more out of a real class...because of the real-time feedback.
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I'll keep your suggestion in mind.
Take the class.
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If time permits I may go watch a class session in early May. The traditional way to check out teachers is watch them teach and watch their students.
Gnarly Cranium said:
What?? People sometimes get fairly compensated for something they do well, and put food on the table-- HOLY CRAP!! THAT'S CRAZY TALK! WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO??
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There is nothing wrong with motorcycle experts being paid for their motorcycle expertise but this thread is for sharing ideas about slow speed practice--freely.

What happened to global warming? Another day in the low 40's. Leave it to the government to pass a law against something good. Since last June I've done a ridiculous number of hours of figure 8s, as in hundreds, but they are still improving, I'm still learning new things and it all seems to be translating to riding around. There are endless figure 8 styles and variations. Here's my collection. If anyone knows of another interesting one please share. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0zF6SBAjGM&feature=PlayList&p=3B2BA3891FCC3769&index=0&playnext=1 The KLX300 is magnificent out in the open but nerve wracking in tight spaces. I'm thinking seriously of having a KLX140 for the woods and keeping the tall bike for the wide open spaces and the parking lot.
 
beginner said:
I'm not an expert. I'm sure about this because I still practice and I'm not getting any money from the motorcycle industry.
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We're watching...



and Kawasaki says: thanks for the plug.
 
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beginner said:
I haven't asked for instruction, paid or free. People who only share ideas when they are paid should not participate in this discussion. The thread title includes, no experts please for a reason.
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Yes. That's why these people are here. Because they HATE contributing to discussions and are willfully spreading disinformation and discouragement so as to trick people into becoming their customers, risking lives to pad their pocketbooks. I call again, BULLSHIT. Are aliens talking to you with radio waves, too?? No-one here accepts this premise you're working from.


We can't talk about practice, AT ALL, until we are on the same basic page. If you were learning to fly, and kept insisting that UP is DOWN, you'd find yourself in a very frustrating situation. That's the brick wall. This is where we are at.

  • People ARE here to help you.
  • Some of them actually DO know what they are talking about.
  • Black marks on the pavement mean you were skidding, the laws of physics work etc.
Until we can establish at least that much common ground, nothing constructive can happen here. At all. Period. Ever.



Crash, you found the theme song for this whole mess, and it's stuck in my head now. Again. :laughing
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wackyiraqi said:
Mahatma Gandhi would punch this kid in the face.
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^LOL

Man I was thinking exactly the same thing but there was no Mahatma Gandhi in the thought, just me.

I love Katy Perry's voice, that song reminds me of Cher's voice a lot, and it is a very catchy song that I get stuck in my head at times. I'm a big Howard stern fan, Katy was on the show and it really brought her up in my books, she was a fun interview.
Back to the topic at hand, :twofinger beginner
Where the hell is the bashing your head against the wall smiley?
 
wackyiraqi said:
Mahatma Gandhi would punch this kid in the face.
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Please don't post comments like this. It adds nothing and may be there's somebody lurking who'll act it out someday.

Gnarly Cranium said:
We can't talk about practice, AT ALL, until we are on the same basic page.
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The common ground is people who do enough slow speed practice to have something to talk about and who are interested in talking about it.
People are here to help you.
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Promoting products, personal attacks, and references to violence aren't helpful.

Crash asked about a new Michigan ORV law and asked me to provide him more information about it. I had to do some significant checking around to get authoritative information because there is confusion even among people who should know, including me.

Initially the ORV law did not include my county. The State legislature corrected that last winter. Now the county comissioners can use or not use the authority as they see fit. They have yet to act and I can understand why, it's a complicated law. In the process of getting the correct story I've consulted with neighbors and public officials and I'm likely to oppose implimenting the law on certain stretches of road in my immediate area on account of landowner issues that are more significant than my use of ORV's. (The law includes the authority to include or exclude specific roads.)

Being street legal on my current off road bike is not a problem but the 4 wheeler we use for trail maintenance and firewood cutting still requires use of the road side, the same as the tractors and mowing equipment. There would also likely be a problem if I added a KLX140 to the mix since it might not be possible to make it street legal. Sorting all this out will take some more consulting with neighbors and local officials.

I don't have a problem with ORVs along public roads in principle, so long as it doesn't create significant burdens for others. The problem is going to be noise. The ORV's we use are so quiet they are rarely heard and our use of the ROW's is incidental. The sport style play buggies that we would expect to see running up and down the road are VERY loud and the users would not have any other place to ride them except the ROW's.
 
beginner said:
Crash asked about a new Michigan ORV law and asked me to provide him more information about it. I had to do some significant checking around to get authoritative information because there is confusion even among people who should know, including me...

Initially the ORV law did not include my county...
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FOLLOWED BY HEARSAY.

I know you want to be the the EXPERT on this but a citation would be nice. Perhaps when they passed the law they wrote it down somewhere or the media reported on it?

OR you could just ignore this and HOPE your credibility is enough to float it.

Just a newspaper article would be plenty for me. It's a dangerous idea that ANYONE can operate a dirtbike or ATV on public roads, with public and commercial traffic sharing those roads...it's not impossible that there's variances for tractors and other self propelled farm equipment, but I doubt seriously there's a law that you can ride your licensed dirtbike WITHOUT and endorsement on public roads.

Just SHOW ME THE MONEY and I'm good. Slow speed practice generally requires a parking lot and getting to the parking lot requires public roads and public roads require LICENSED vehicles and ENDORSED riders. Since you're NOT an endorsed rider who rides on public roads you have a stake in misstating the law. All we ask is a clarification from a reliable source--the Michigan Vehicle Code or State Police would be best--BUT I'll settle for a newspaper article. The Port Austin Shopper would not be enough but I'm sure there's an AP citation you could find.

I find Slow Speed Practice to be far more rewarding when I'm in full compliance with state and local law.

NOW, everybody else I issue a challenge: Let's refrain from posting until we get the a citation from beginner on the new ORV law. Let's see if we can get him to directly answer this issue so we can feel we're encouraging safe and legal slow speed practice.
 
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beginner said:
Please don't post comments like this. It adds nothing and may be there's somebody lurking who'll act it out someday.
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Fair enough. I'll make you a deal: if a 140 year-old, 75 lb. dead Indian pacifist leader ever punches you in the face, I'll take full responsibility and pay your medical bills.

I'd suggest, however, that rather than sticking around to fight someone as menacing as Gandhi, you simply pull two 360s and get the hell out of there.
 
beginner said:
Off to ride some more. Tomorrow may be a rain out. It's been unusually cold so everything stays wet.
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So, with all your practice "slipping" the rear end and learning to control traction, you're afraid to ride when it's wet? :wtf
 
who gives a shit about this guy? why do you all keep feeding him? :|

(dammit, now I need to unsubscribe from this thread again)
 
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