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Dual Sport Ride, Saturday 15-Aug-2009 - Dublin to Carnegie

ScottRNelson

Adventure and Dual Sport
Joined
Aug 3, 2002
Location
Meridian, ID
Moto(s)
Honda XR650L, KTM 790 Adv R
Do you have a dual sport motorcycle that has never seen a dirt road? Now is your chance to try a few easy ones with some experienced dirt riders to guide you.

Are you an experienced dirt rider with a dual sport motorcycle who would like to help some new-to-the-dirt riders? This is a good opportunity for you too.

Just want to see some interesting roads and scenery in the East Bay followed by both easy and challenging dirt riding? You should come too.


If you have a street legal dual sport motorcycle (or any other street legal motorcycle that you would like to ride on some dirt roads) you're invited. All skill levels are welcome and once we get to Carnegie we'll start out with the experienced riders helping the new guys. After about an hour of the easy trails, we'll regroup and the more experienced riders can go find some more interesting trails or demonstrate how to do gnarly hill climbs, or whatever.

I did a trial run of this ride on July 11 with an F650GS rider who had never been off in the dirt. He enjoyed it, never dropped the bike, and only got stuck once when he slid off of the trail. If a stock F650GS can do it, so can you and your KLR650, DR650, XR650L, R1150GS, 950 Adventure, or whatever.


We will meet in Dublin on the east side of the Shell gas station at 4895 Hacienda Dr, at the entrance to the Regal Hacienda Crossings theater and strip mall. Meet at 8:00 a.m. and hit the road by 8:15. Bring $5.00 entry fee plus whatever you think you'll need to buy lunch.

We will ride about 30 miles through the back roads of Livermore, taking advantage of the street side of the dual sport motorcycles, then stop at Carnegie and start off with some easy trails. We'll begin with Pottery Loop at the west end to get the feel of riding on dirt roads, then Juniper Trail. We'll stop for a rest break and discussions, then take Los Osos Trail up to the top of the hill at which point those who are feeling brave can do the short black diamond section and come back on Los Osos Grade and Kiln Canyon Trail and the rest of us will ride back the way we came.

Lunch will be at the Concession stand (which I still think of as Skip's, but it has a new name now).

After lunch you can leave if you want, or split into smaller groups for more riding.


Here is the route from Dublin to Carnegie: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...26,-121.82044&sspn=0.063265,0.104628&ie=UTF8&

Here is a very un-detailed map of the trails at Carnegie:
http://ohv.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=1173

I'll bring a tire gauge if you want to let a bit of air out of your tires when we get to the dirt. I'll be dropping pressure in my XR tires from about 28 to the Honda-recommended 22, or maybe as low as 15. I'm not sure if there is an easy way to air them back up for the ride home after.

If this ride is a success, I'll try to schedule others every month or two with the goal of trying out other dirt riding areas. When Frank Raines Park opens up in October we can try a Mines Road ride plus some dirt exploring. Metcalf is a good South Bay destination with a few interesting dirt trails. For a longer ride, we can always try Hollister. Plus we can always go find some real dirt roads in the Sierra foothills after riding across the Central Valley.
 
Great idea and ride! I'd love to go but I just swapped on some Avon Gripsters for the street and am not sure if those tires will be able to handle it. They are 70s/30d but I'd rate them 80s/20d. What do you think those trails require as far as tires? If I'd know there was a way of refilling I'd run low tires but if not I'd ride them only slightly lower. I'm in the market right now to get a second set of wheels and tires. I have never had my XT at Carnagie just my YZ so it would be fun.
Questions...
Do our duals need to get stickered? Like I said YZ'er.
The park entrance fee for our vehicles is $5?
I have never riddden in on a bike so is there a parking fee or anything else?
Great idea and if I don't make this one I'll make the next one. I've been riding dirt a long time and could help out if need be. I bought the XT and it was used mostly street, then got the YZ426 and it was my dirt ride, then bought the FLHRI and it was my street ride. The XT is out of retirement and I thought it would be street bound, but if we can get rides like this going it would great. Nice to use the bike for the reason it was built, being legal on the streets and riding to ride some dirt, no truck or trailer needed.
Oh, and concession stand = Moto Mart
Support this ride!
 
BTW - Nice approach route to Carnagie. A good ride in itself.
 
Great idea and ride! I'd love to go but I just swapped on some Avon Gripsters for the street and am not sure if those tires will be able to handle it. They are 70s/30d but I'd rate them 80s/20d. What do you think those trails require as far as tires?
The IRC GP-110 tires on my XR650L are rated at 90% street and 10% dirt and they're more than good enough.

The dirt roads we'll be riding could easily be handled on a motard with pure street tires. At least, that's my theory.
 
As promised, I will be there to help out and play around a little after the ride. :thumbup

I'd love to go but I just swapped on some Avon Gripsters for the street and am not sure if those tires will be able to handle it. They are 70s/30d but I'd rate them 80s/20d. What do you think those trails require as far as tires?

Your Avons should be fine for the trails we'll be doing. I don't think I would try to climb any of the big, dusty hills with them, but you should have no problem with beginner trails and fire roads.

If I'd know there was a way of refilling I'd run low tires but if not I'd ride them only slightly lower.

I think there is air available at Carnegie (at least there used to be), but I'm planning on bringing a small bicycle pump in my backpack. We might be there a long time if we need to air up everybody's tires with it, though.

Questions...
Do our duals need to get stickered?

No, a license plate is fine. Technically, they need to have all the street equipment in place to be legal with a license plate, but I have no idea if that's enforced.

The park entrance fee for our vehicles is $5?

Correct

I have never riddden in on a bike so is there a parking fee or anything else?

No. Just the $5.00
 
Unless family stuff gets in the way I'm there for sure then. This is a great looking trip. Thanks Scott and Tom.
 
I think I may have another dirt biker in. He sold the YZF250 and has a '78 Yamaha 650 set up tracker style and wants to prove it can handle dirt. It will be cool if he makes it. Might outride everyone even on that! He works for Bell too!
 
F650GS twin

Hi there,

I just got my GS two weeks ago, and put 2K on it. Have 0 experience in the dirt but dying to get over the nerve. Thanks for organizing the ride. I'd like to do the easy trial part with you ...

Any suggestion on gears that would be different from street riding. I only have street riding helmet, leathers and textile clothing...

Thanks!
 
Hi there,

I just got my GS two weeks ago, and put 2K on it. Have 0 experience in the dirt but dying to get over the nerve. Thanks for organizing the ride. I'd like to do the easy trial part with you ...

Any suggestion on gears that would be different from street riding. I only have street riding helmet, leathers and textile clothing...

Thanks!
A dirt bike helmet with goggles does better with the dust than a full face helmet, but both work well enough. I've used both there. I'll have the motocross helmet for this ride.

The only thing I would caution against is gear that is too hot when you're not moving. Or when trying to get a bike unstuck. I recently acquired a First Gear Kilimanjaro jacket and was wondering if it would be appropriate. That jacket cools very well as long as you're moving, but is too hot when stopped. I've tried a leather jacket in the past, but won't do that again. You need something that breathes. I'll be wearing a lighter jacket and Levis jeans with separate knee and elbow armor underneath.

Since I haven't managed to find the right dirt riding boots yet, I'll use some old work boots.

In order of importance when dirt riding, you need a good helmet, decent gloves, boots, then something to protect your knees and elbows if you fall down. The faster guys wear chest protectors too. For the places we'll be taking the new riders, you mainly need helmet, gloves and boots. You shouldn't need much in the way of abrasion resistant clear, other than the gloves.

There may be other opinions on proper gear.
 
I agree but chest protectors work better for the slow guys getting roosted. Chest protectors have never helped me too much in a crash but is a big help when a guy infront of you is spraying you with rocks unless one sneaks between your helmet and chest protector and catches your throat. I have Fox boots but you can't beat Alpine Stars. I also suggest over the boot dirtbike pants, like the ones free stlye riders wear instead of race pants. Over the boots are cooler in temp, have pockets(real nice on the street) and often better padding. You also don't look like a poser rolling on the street (if you care, but I don't) I'm leaving my chest protector at home, wearing my dirtbike boots, dirtbike gloves, elbow/forearm protectors under a light jersey, Bell Moto 8 helmet, goggles and a big smile.
 
I'll probably wear my "normal" dirtbike gear without the chest protector (since I will probably be carrying a backpack and it doesn't work well with my chest protector).
 
Thanks a lot for the suggestions. I guess I will have to invest in some dirt riding gears ... (feeling very poor these days ...) :|
 
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How late will you guys be at Carnegie?

I don't like mornings...


Edit: Never mind. already had plans for Saturday...
 
How late will you guys be at Carnegie?

I don't like mornings...


Edit: Never mind. already had plans for Saturday...
I'll answer anyway, in case someone else has the same question. I expect that we'll ride until about noon, then stop for lunch. Those who have had enough for the day can then head back home and the rest of us will go off and have more fun.

I intend to practice my hill climbing technique to get a better feel for my bike going up steep stuff (and down, I guess), and I expect to go up and down the short black diamond section at the top of Los Osos for a bit of practice on steep and rough hills. I'll hang around to watch if some of the better riders want to show off on the really steep and rough stuff. Surely we can get someone to demonstrate how to get a bike back down the hill when it's upside down 20 feet from the top of a gnarly climb. :teeth
 
I'm looking forward to watching that Scott. Key word watching. I and my bike's rollerskate wheels won't make it but I'll jump on any bike with knobbies and give it a try if you don't mind the possible consequences. I thought about being a truck sweep for the ride with my YZF426 on my homemade rack, but that would be cheating and less fun. I want this to be a dually ride and the approach route is too good to pass up. I can drive in anytime. We’ll be swinging by my old ranch on Flynn and my current one’s back door (entrance is off Greenville) so it will be a familiar ride. Thanks again Scott.
 
Yeah, I'd like to make sure I'm only a spectator to that whole upside-down bike thing, too. So, who's going to demonstrate how not to do it? :laughing
 
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