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The Mysterious Appeal of Shit Gear

budbandit

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2006 GSXR 1000
One of the interesting things I have noted is that for some reason many newer riders feel a desire to purchase and use whispy, ephemeral lightweight, fragile textile gear - something that I have never really understood. If you have the money for a new supersport 600 then you in theory have the money for some gear, but it is amazing how often you will see new or newish 600s with aftermarket crap ridden by riders who have obviously cheaped out on their gear. Puzzling, isn't it?

Let's face it - leather is cool. Not only is leather cool, but due to the 3D matrix of the protein fibers in the material, it is also among the most abrasion resistant materials known to man. Real world tests and crashes consistantly demonstrate the continued superiority of leather to textile in terms of abrasion resistance and extensive real world testing in coffee shops and other trendy trolling areas have demonstrated the superior pulling power of leather garmets compared with textile.

Typically textile garments will be good for about 1/2 of one crash, usually failing or tearing thru at some point during the first crash. Sometimes high quality garments such as Aerostich suits (one of the few textile garments I could feel good about recommending) will do better. Mesh stuff? It just shreads. Even cheap leather will tend to outperform expensive textiles in terms of abrasion resistance.

One of the few advantages that textiles offer (except for cost and light weight) is waterproofing - they will keep you dry (or drier as the case more often is) than leather, with some garments being advertized as being "waterproof". However, judging by the lack of riders I usually see out in the rain the waterproof nature of gear is not a real consideration for most riders.

Your skin, your choice, but don't expect the cheap mesh crap to be much more than a compelling alternative to a t-shirt in hot weather and especially don't expect it to hold up in a crash.
 
Dude, you have got to be the most intelligent poster on this board. If I had mojo, you'd get some.
 
Hey BB, I anxiously await your next rant:

"Stunna's and the appeal of baggy-ass 40oz. jeans..."

:p :laughing
 
I quote from my original post:

"Sometimes high quality garments such as Aerostich suits (one of the few textile garments I could feel good about recommending) will do better."

That being said you are likely to be sending in your 'stich for repair/patching after any sort of real get off, at least from what I have seen.

slowpoke said:
So r u saying Aerostitch is crap?
 
oops...generally, if a post is more than 3 paragraphs, I skim:laughing

I've seen leather that's total crap too. Joe Rocket, Icon and Alpinestar jackets. Super thin leather. I'd rather not ride than wear any of that crap.
 
there are levels of quality within both the leather and textile apparel...I've seen plenty of cheap ass leather that wouldn't save the cow it got taken from.

The message of 'get the good shit' is not lost, sir. Some sort of quantification of your message would be nice though, i.e.: why is Aerostich most superior? Threadcount? Stich patterns? what makes a good textile? A bad one? I ride w/ Hein Gericke jacket w/ armor, and although I haven't had the honor of sliding on the ground with it on, I feel more protected than my old leather jacket.

I have textile overpants w/ armor padding, I like tham and I absolutely refuse to buy assless leather chaps (but I can be convinced otherwise...)

I like not having a 1-piece, can you recommend a good 2-piece leather ensemble?

cheers,
 
Ironically jackets such as the Icon Burner seem to be relatively well built, at least the samples I have inspected seemed sturdy and appropriately heavy.

I have seen stich's wear thru at about 50 mph while I have seen cheap paki ratskin highway jackets just get scuffed at 80 mph. That being said when I went out with about $250 to spend on a jacket a relatively lightweight and seemingly fragile Joe Rocket Blaster lost out to an exceptionally heavy, thick and sturdy Kerr highway jacket which although lacking bells and whistles had what I really wanted - thick, heavy, premium grade leather.


slowpoke said:
oops...generally, if a post is more than 3 paragraphs, I skim:laughing

I've seen leather that's total crap too. Joe Rocket, Icon and Alpinestar jackets. Super thin leather. I'd rather not ride than wear any of that crap.
 
Damnit BUD!
Now I have to get rid of my Joe Rocket Razor suit that has done EXTREMELY well all summer long! lol. If you have seen one of these suits, you might change your mind on some of the textile. I actually prefer textile myself, it is more comfortable to me....could just be my body type doesn't seem to fit in a pair of leathers that cost less than 2500!

But anyway, I like some leather, some textile. I'm still particular to what I buy though and do some research before buying.

brash

I'll tell ya though, I love my A-star SMX-plus boots!
 
Assless chaps will get you plenty of action in the City but I am not sure that is what I would recommend for riding motorcycles. For riding twinks, they may be best, but for bikes....

I think that some of the elements that contribute to a garment's ability to protect in a get off include the use of heavy duty, high quality materials, ce or similar armor, sturdy stitching as well as proper fit for the individual rider.

The best you can get still seems to be local custom work from Helimot, Zooni or Johnson Leathers. In terms of value it looks like the Joe Rocket GPX is a potential win, but sometimes you can find various other stuff on special, particularly if you are not as generously equatorially gifted as I.

For what it is worth, the Gericke/Firstgear stuff usually seems top notch and I am considering a waterproof textile Firstgear myself. The heavier, more abrasion resistant fabric in locations where it would do the best as well as armor and generally solid seeming construction as well as favorable user reports and good experience with the brand make it seem like a win.

Bowling4Bikes said:
there are levels of quality within both the leather and textile apparel...I've seen plenty of cheap ass leather that wouldn't save the cow it got taken from.

The message of 'get the good shit' is not lost, sir. Some sort of quantification of your message would be nice though, i.e.: why is Aerostich most superior? Threadcount? Stich patterns? what makes a good textile? A bad one? I ride w/ Hein Gericke jacket w/ armor, and although I haven't had the honor of sliding on the ground with it on, I feel more protected than my old leather jacket.

I have textile overpants w/ armor padding, I like tham and I absolutely refuse to buy assless leather chaps (but I can be convinced otherwise...)

I like not having a 1-piece, can you recommend a good 2-piece leather ensemble?

cheers,
 
So are you saying that my Fruit of the Loom 100% cotton tank top and $1.50 K-mart flip flops aren't going to protect me?

Great, now what the hell am I going to stunt in?
 
I'm particular too - particular to stuff I can fit my fat ass into.

Turns out that FirstGear makes some good leather pants which can be found relatively cheaply:
http://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=50-6450


Glad to hear that the Joe Rocket Razor suit has been satisfactory for you. Real world gear reviews from riders, especially those in this area, are more useful than the spewings of magazine writers who are beholden to advertising dollars.


Brash47 said:
Damnit BUD!
Now I have to get rid of my Joe Rocket Razor suit that has done EXTREMELY well all summer long! lol. If you have seen one of these suits, you might change your mind on some of the textile. I actually prefer textile myself, it is more comfortable to me....could just be my body type doesn't seem to fit in a pair of leathers that cost less than 2500!

But anyway, I like some leather, some textile. I'm still particular to what I buy though and do some research before buying.

brash

I'll tell ya though, I love my A-star SMX-plus boots!
 
Pictures speak way louder dude.

1368424-road_rash.jpg
 
well, the JR and A* suits are much better than their jackets. Icon looks sturdy, but i don't think they'll hold up in a crash. I've had my second pair of Icon gloves rip at the seam. Fucking made in China garbage.
 
Leather AND textile, not leather OR textile.

'Stich in the wet, Leather every other time :) Oversuit packed on the bike for those maybe, maybe not days.

And yeah, my belly slide on 9 in the 'stich last winter cost $100 to get repaired, but as you saw I just hopped straight back up to my feet afterward!
 
budbandit said:
One of the interesting things I have noted is that for some reason many newer riders feel a desire to purchase and use whispy, ephemeral lightweight, fragile textile gear - something that I have never really understood. If you have the money for a new supersport 600 then you in theory have the money for some gear, but it is amazing how often you will see new or newish 600s with aftermarket crap ridden by riders who have obviously cheaped out on their gear. Puzzling, isn't it?

Let's face it - leather is cool. Not only is leather cool, but due to the 3D matrix of the protein fibers in the material, it is also among the most abrasion resistant materials known to man. Real world tests and crashes consistantly demonstrate the continued superiority of leather to textile in terms of abrasion resistance and extensive real world testing in coffee shops and other trendy trolling areas have demonstrated the superior pulling power of leather garmets compared with textile.

Typically textile garments will be good for about 1/2 of one crash, usually failing or tearing thru at some point during the first crash. Sometimes high quality garments such as Aerostich suits (one of the few textile garments I could feel good about recommending) will do better. Mesh stuff? It just shreads. Even cheap leather will tend to outperform expensive textiles in terms of abrasion resistance.

One of the few advantages that textiles offer (except for cost and light weight) is waterproofing - they will keep you dry (or drier as the case more often is) than leather, with some garments being advertized as being "waterproof". However, judging by the lack of riders I usually see out in the rain the waterproof nature of gear is not a real consideration for most riders.

Your skin, your choice, but don't expect the cheap mesh crap to be much more than a compelling alternative to a t-shirt in hot weather and especially don't expect it to hold up in a crash.

I agree 100%. Someone make this guy a moderator.

:ken5150
 
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