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Getting COVID doesn’t create immunity but a manufactured vaccine does?

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mlm said:
ight?

edit: And the article you linked states it was done for survivors of AYA cancer (whatever that is) so you can expect that to be enough to disqualify it.
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AYA = Adolescent and Young Adult

I'm a smoker as well.

Disgusting habit that puts one at greater risk of all sorts of health issues.
 
GAJ said:
Disgusting habit that puts one at greater risk of all sorts of health issues.
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Yep. I agree on that and said I may drop dead one day because of it.
To mlm, I am not promoting anything to others or claiming I am healthier than ever. I am healthy enough for my age not to worry about every virus that shows up. You can have look at some of my basic test.
However health in this country population is not good. And you don't need Covid to see that.
 

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Lolocastsb said:
Yes, the guy bringing racial issues into a thread about an experimental vaccine is the smart one here. <-- sarcasm if you couldn't tell.
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At what point do we stop calling these vaccines "experimental?" Pfizer and Moderna have full FDA approval and are some of the most closely studied vaccines in history.
 
tzrider said:
At what point do we stop calling these vaccines "experimental?" Pfizer and Moderna have full FDA approval and are some of the most closely studied vaccines in history.
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316 million Pfizer shots administered thus far, 204 million Moderna in the US as of yesterday.
 
tzrider said:
At what point do we stop calling these vaccines "experimental?" Pfizer and Moderna have full FDA approval and are some of the most closely studied vaccines in history.
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Personally, I'll stop calling them experimental once they've been available to the public for between 5 to 7 years, which was the typical time for a vaccine to be tested AND when all vaccine data is made public (if it was up to Pfizer, this wouldn't be until 2076). Only then can I make an informed decision whether or not to take this medical procedure.
 
It doesn't matter whether or not you think the vaccines are experimental. They are fully approved for en masse administration.
 
Lolocastsb said:
Personally, I'll stop calling them experimental once they've been available to the public for between 5 to 7 years, which was the typical time for a vaccine to be tested AND when all vaccine data is made public (if it was up to Pfizer, this wouldn't be until 2076). Only then can I make an informed decision whether or not to take this medical procedure.
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3 years for the Polio vaccine.

Trials started after just 2 years.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/polio-vaccine-trials-begin

We have made advances since 1955 and work on Mrna vaccines began in 1997.
 
Lolocastsb said:
Yes, the guy bringing racial issues into a thread about an experimental vaccine is the smart one here. <-- sarcasm if you couldn't tell.
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You can apply whatever standards you wish.....however, stop crying when others don't agree with your personal preferences over the wisdom and choices of the professionals.

More irony is the people whom you obviously favor for medical information who have little to no professional experience in the relevant field. :rofl

You basically have just about zero credibility in here with your claims, especially given your sources.
 
Climber said:
You can apply whatever standards you wish.....however, stop crying when others don't agree with your personal preferences over the wisdom and choices of the professionals.
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Not crying, and lmfao at "wisdom of the professionals."

Climber said:
More irony is the people whom you obviously favor for medical information who have little to no professional experience in the relevant field. :rofl
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Never stated who or what I favor for medical information, good assumption though.

Climber said:
You basically have just about zero credibility in here with your claims, especially given your sources.
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Anyone who isn't copy and pasting from "approved wisdom professionals" will have zero credibility in your eyes.

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Lolocastsb said:
Not crying, and lmfao at "wisdom of the professionals."



Never stated who or what I favor for medical information, good assumption though.



Anyone who isn't copy and pasting from "approved wisdom professionals" will have zero credibility in your eyes.

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You could tell us about your background in public health, MRNA research or virology if you are hungry for credibility. Where do you derive your wisdom?
 
Mike95060 said:
You could tell us about your background in public health, MRNA research or virology if you are hungry for credibility. Where do you derive your wisdom?
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Happily, as soon as everyone who vehemently claims that the vaccine works and isn't dangerous does the same.
 
Lolocastsb said:
Happily, as soon as everyone who vehemently claims that the vaccine works and isn't dangerous does the same.
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OK. I dropped out of UCSC after 3 years of studying molecular biology and working in a lab that studied mRNA and protein folding. I went on to learn how to weld and metal fabricate and then became a CNC machinist.

None of that qualifies me to accurately judge vaccine efficacy or safety which is why I listened to my doctor. And quite a few other people who didn't drop out of an undergraduate molecular biology program.
 
Mike95060 said:
OK. I dropped out of UCSC after 3 years of studying molecular biology and working in a lab that studied mRNA and protein folding. I went on to learn how to weld and metal fabricate and then became a CNC machinist.

None of that qualifies me to accurately judge vaccine efficacy or safety which is why I listened to my doctor. And quite a few other people who didn't drop out of an undergraduate molecular biology program.
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Wow, very similar to my background then, except my doctor advised me not to get the "vaccine" due to a family history of heart problems.
 
Lolocastsb said:
Wow, very similar to my background then, except my doctor advised me not to get the "vaccine" due to a family history of heart problems.
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Interesting. My grandfather had a quadruple bypass at 75, my sister has tachycardia and I have a rather severe vasovagal response to getting stuck with needles.

In fact I had a foot surgery aborted in 2020 during pre op because I passed out after they put the IV in my hand (it really fucking hurt). I was out for about 90 seconds in which time my EKG went from a nice spiker-spikey rest, spikey-spikey rest to a wavy gravy sine wave looking thing. That got everyone's attention and I came to with a cardiologist hovering over me. My history of passing out from bleeding or being stuck goes all the way back to high school when I got banned from giving blood after my third attempt failed with me passing out half way through the bag. I was vaccinated with the J&J at the time of my foot surgery attempt. I don't feel there is any connection between my vaccination and my surgery episode.

After my pre op episode my heart got a full check up that included a sonogram, no mechanical damage found, and I wore a heart rate monitor 24/7 for two weeks. The data collected was all good. During that two weeks I continued to train for the Escape from Alcatraz triathlon which I completed.

I'm not a doctor. None of the above should change your mind if your doctor told you specifically not to get vaccinated. I posted to as a counterpoint to the idea that the vaccines = heart problems. If clinical evidence emerges that they do that is definitely a discussion worth having.
 
Side note about a thing I learned as an undergrad scrub in an mRNA lab. We had to take crazy precautions in the lab to not introduce Rnase into the mRNA samples under study. I find it a little odd that the crux of the anti-mRNA vaccine argument is that the build up of mRNA is decremental to your health. The body does a really good job of getting rid of stray mRNA as far as I know.

check it out

https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/...eneral-articles/the-basics-rnase-control.html

Avoiding, detecting, and inhibiting RNase
RNases, which play important roles in nucleic acid metabolism, are found in both prokaryotes and eukaryotes, and in practically every cell type. The human body uses RNases to defend against invading microorganisms by secreting these enzymes in fluids such as tears, saliva, mucus, and perspiration. RNases are also present in flaked skin, on hair that may fall onto a bench, and in pet hair that may cling to clothing. The primary source of RNases within most environments, however, is microorganisms—namely, bacteria and fungi. In this article, we discuss how to avoid, detect, and inhibit RNase when working with RNA.
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