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Stoner retiring at end of 2012 season

I remembered when Stoner first teamed up with Honda, he was talking about how he was honor to be in the same team like his hero Mick Doohan and "not too concerned about matching or breaking" Mick's championship records. It kindda hint to me that he will not be racing in MotoGP for an extended time already, but retiring at the end of this year was not expected!

Will have to try as much as possible to attend the LS GP event this year for there will not be much opportunity to see Casey Stoner fly on a GP machine other than archive video clips.
 
kelsodeez said:
how bout we just leave it at this.

i dont like the fuckin guy. sometimes people and dogs just dont like you. he irritates me and i wont be sad to see him go.
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As I said, in my first reply to you: it's totally fine not to like the guy, I just take exception to the reasons you put forward for feeling that way. Acknowledging that your bias is not based on rational response is fantastic and is exactly what allows us, as fans to get along without rioting in the streets.


littlebeast said:
don't get all wrapped around the axle over it. he's obviously got what it takes. there just seems to be an incongruously frail side to him.
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After years of hearing the same thing about Stoner, it gets a little tiresome. You can understand that, right? If there were any evidence of Stoner's fragility, I'd accept it but it seems to be purely the creation of Nick Harris, Michael Scott as well as the idiots on the BBC commentary team.
 
This is just like when Pearl Jam was the #1 band in the world with the #1 album and yet they were unhappy and pissed off.

FU TICKETMASTER.
 
JO EBRMC said:
After years of hearing the same thing about Stoner, it gets a little tiresome. You can understand that, right? If there were any evidence of Stoner's fragility, I'd accept it but it seems to be purely the creation of Nick Harris, Michael Scott as well as the idiots on the BBC commentary team.
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yes, i can understand that. but i'm not basing it on what others have said. casey himself has shown it at crucial points. dude began as a master crasher, and has had some serious wobbles since he got his feet under him. most prominently, letting rossi worm his way into his head at laguna, and the mystery ailments in 2009. and the various 'here we go agains' since then. have pulled for him at all of them, but he still seems a bit delicate under the verneer of racing excellence.
 
All this "motogp will be better with out stoner moaner" is some ol' bullshit.

Y'all are girls.
 
Definitely a huge loss to the racing world. His intense passion and lack of ability to cope up with mere mortals and their simple ways of thinking has disillusioned him. I hope he wins this year's championship, takes a few years of and then may be he will calm down and realize he still has some hunger left in him and come back. A guy with a passion like this will never be happy doing anything else. He will be back!! (I surely hope)
 
littlebeast said:
yes, i can understand that. but i'm not basing it on what others have said. casey himself has shown it at crucial points. dude began as a master crasher, and has had some serious wobbles since he got his feet under him. most prominently, letting rossi worm his way into his head at laguna, and the mystery ailments in 2009. and the various 'here we go agains' since then. have pulled for him at all of them, but he still seems a bit delicate under the verneer of racing excellence.
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Stoner's crashes in 2007 are the same as anyone who has ridden the LCR at the front of the pack. His results on that bike are beyond what anyone else has accomplished. It seems to me that if he was willing to push that hard and accept the risk of crashing, mental toughness isn't one of his flaws.

As to his later crashes, Rossi has done the same on the Ducati. It would seem that since Rossi isn't known as a crasher, we have to blame the bike not the rider.

Mystery ailment? Mental weakness on the part of his doctors is hardly something you can pin on the rider. Once diagnosed, Stoner has been in top form. It is sort of like blaming Rossi for his doctor's inability to instantly repair his broken leg.


At Laguna in 2008 Stoner learned a lesson from Rossi and no one has been able to do that to him since. In my book, that looks like mental toughness. He wasn't broken and came back stronger.

So, the evidence just isn't there.
 
I'm with JO. I have huge amounts of respect for the guy, and I think he's one of the most honest, no bullshit racers in the paddock in a long time. So he doesn't have a camera-friendly personality... this isn't a romantic comedy - the guy says what he thinks and it often happens to be insightful. I don't need it delivered in lyrical punchlines with a goofy grin (and I say that as a big Rossi fan, as well. All these guys are superhuman).

And, of course, he performs like a boss. A robot boss.

I do think this retirement is genuine, but I don't think it's permanent. If the series comes together in the next 2 years, he'll be back in 3. I think the process, the media, and now the format just burned him out. Some time away and he'll start to miss it again, especially if it regains the purity and premiership he clearly cares about.
 
JO EBRMC said:
Stoner's crashes in 2007 are the same as anyone who has ridden the LCR at the front of the pack. His results on that bike are beyond what anyone else has accomplished. It seems to me that if he was willing to push that hard and accept the risk of crashing, mental toughness isn't one of his flaws.

As to his later crashes, Rossi has done the same on the Ducati. It would seem that since Rossi isn't known as a crasher, we have to blame the bike not the rider.

Mystery ailment? Mental weakness on the part of his doctors is hardly something you can pin on the rider. Once diagnosed, Stoner has been in top form. It is sort of like blaming Rossi for his doctor's inability to instantly repair his broken leg.


At Laguna in 2008 Stoner learned a lesson from Rossi and no one has been able to do that to him since. In my book, that looks like mental toughness. He wasn't broken and came back stronger.

So, the evidence just isn't there.
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we're both entitled to our opinion.
 
Kurosaki said:
All this "motogp will be better with out stoner moaner" is some ol' bullshit.

Y'all are girls.
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I know. Their statements of that should then be followed by "because now the guy I like will have a better chance to win". Which is fine, if Stoner is winning and your guy isn't. But to be happy that the best guy is leaving, and claim that will somehow be better for the sport is pretty absurd. It's like being happy when Michael Jordan retired.
 
JO EBRMC said:
Like I have repeated, I'm not arguing the opinions, you are welcome to not like the guy, I am arguing the facts.
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don't fucking antagonize me. i tried to be cool about it. i never said i didn't like the guy. i actually do. i just see him differently than you do.
 
littlebeast said:
are you saying that like it's a bad thing? :dunno
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Being overly dramatic and holding grudges like most girls tend to do, yes. It's a bad thing.

For the record. Girls =/= women. I assume you are a woman and women don't act that way. All these posts about being glad Stoner will be gone is some ol' girl bullshit. This is not going to make MotoGP better.

In two years motogp will have lost Simoncelli and Stoner. That sucks.
 
i just watched the press conference.

what i got from it is that he is retiring because no one believes that he is lactose intolerant. everything else he says is just rhetoric. the only time he got fiery and emotional was when he was talking about the mystery illness.

i dont care what anyone else says because im right.:twofinger
 
kelsodeez said:
i was holding my tongue to make any F1/motogp comparisons, but now i have to say it

F1 had one of the most boring seasons last year with vettel's dominance, they implemented some new technology and switched up the rules a little

now this season of F1 has been the most exciting season in almost 10 years.

motogp really needs to refresh their way of thinking and i think you guys are onto something with not letting the spanish billionaires have their hands in the sport.
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I have no issues with dominance. Watching a top driver and a top team at their peak is a rare treat.

F1 this year is nothing more than which team can cope with the tires the best on that given weekend. I guess that is exciting...? Just not for me.
 
JO EBRMC said:
Stoner's crashes in 2007 are the same as anyone who has ridden the LCR at the front of the pack. His results on that bike are beyond what anyone else has accomplished. It seems to me that if he was willing to push that hard and accept the risk of crashing, mental toughness isn't one of his flaws.

As to his later crashes, Rossi has done the same on the Ducati. It would seem that since Rossi isn't known as a crasher, we have to blame the bike not the rider.

Mystery ailment? Mental weakness on the part of his doctors is hardly something you can pin on the rider. Once diagnosed, Stoner has been in top form. It is sort of like blaming Rossi for his doctor's inability to instantly repair his broken leg.


At Laguna in 2008 Stoner learned a lesson from Rossi and no one has been able to do that to him since. In my book, that looks like mental toughness. He wasn't broken and came back stronger.

So, the evidence just isn't there.
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well except the whole retirement thing

wahhhh i dont like the rules im going home
waahhhhh I dont like the press I quit
wahhh, I act like I dont care what people think but I get mad when they dont like me wahhhh

:laughing stoner just a prick. some people like that, some dont. every damned thing he does is tinted with his essential prickness.

weird illness that turns out to be lactose itolerance, dont tell my team or sponsors whats going on and miss three races with no explanation, then get butt hurt when the sponsor gets mad. sure, he was right, and he came back in top form, but was a prick about the whole thing. that whole thing is stoner in a nutshell. he WAS sick, and DID Have an issue fixed it, and came back stonger than ever. went about the whole issue withl ittle thought to anyone else.

the reality is, just like rossi, stoner only cares about himself. he just shows it a different way. hes retiring because he doesnt like it anymore. good, thats what he should do. I would never ask anyone to do things they dont want to do. but stoner aint no saint that just got a raw deal from the press and fans. its just that HIS Fans, like rossi fans, give him every excuse on the book.

wah, despite all that I can whip everyones ass waahhh
 
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Is there anyone else besides me who'd love to see Casey do some one-off AMA dirt track races? Stoner at Pomona, Springfield or Lima or something, with Nicky even?
 
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