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Harley Davidson offers free moto training to all US military!

Free training bros. It's free.

When you see a pretty woman or man, I have a feeling some of you just concentrate on how bad their shit might smell when they poop.
 
Lunch Box said:
Boy, it sure is good to have you back. :rolleyes

You do recall that H-D used to have a presence in AMA roadracing, and they certainly understand front brakes. I'm not sure how you can attack the school and its curriculum without even knowing anything about it.

I agree with your point that instruction is only one piece of the puzzle and that new riders/drivers should be reminded about the fact that there are many things they don't know and many skills that they need to obtain and improve. The issue is, once again, your delivery. You have so much to teach so many people on this board, but you seem to prefer to attack everyone instead. It really is unfortunate.
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I haven't seen any evidence of that, in all the years I have been on this forum.
 
Enchanter said:
What do you know about the curriculum that HD is offering?
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Exactly, and they have advanced courses if you want to go further. All this hate is really uncalled for. NO other company from the Japanese or Euro brands offer free riders courses. But, F*** HD
 
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Uncle Sam authorizes and will pay for all military motorcyclists, regardless of branch or status (Active, Reserve, or National Guard) to take one authorized safety course per fiscal year.

Authorized, in this case, means after you've taken the CSMP or other basic course, any certified skills trainer's class, such as Lee Parks' Total Control, etc.

Interesting info on pages 12 & 13 here - http://www.first.army.mil/diveast/documents/pdf/motorcycle_safety.pdf
 
Guys, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible that Lou's last word in his first sentence ".....Right" may have been sarcasm, and the rest of it just an observation on the need for n00b riders to get more training?

Much as I can laugh at Lou's need for commas, I can still see that he's trying to make a point, and not necessarily slamming HD.

I can slam HD all day, do you see me doing it? Wanna talk about sand-cast oil pans and 1/2" thick gaskets needed to keep HD's from leaking all over the floor(s)? Wanna talk about the hand controls that HD stole from tractors & installed? How about the lack of a fifth gear on HDs until the 1990s? See? Easy targets.

Let's focus on getting the right info to the right folks instead of smacking Lou around when he doesn't deserve it.
 
Cincinnatus said:
Guys, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible that Lou's last word in his first sentence ".....Right" may have been sarcasm, and the rest of it just an observation on the need for n00b riders to get more training?

Much as I can laugh at Lou's need for commas, I can still see that he's trying to make a point, and not necessarily slamming HD.

I can slam HD all day, do you see me doing it? Wanna talk about sand-cast oil pans and 1/2" thick gaskets needed to keep HD's from leaking all over the floor(s)? Wanna talk about the hand controls that HD stole from tractors & installed? How about the lack of a fifth gear on HDs until the 1990s? See? Easy targets.

Let's focus on getting the right info to the right folks instead of smacking Lou around when he doesn't deserve it.
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Peter, I considered that for a moment, but if you read the rest of his post it seems to eliminate the sarcasm hypothesis.

Here it is in case you don't feel like scrolling up:

Harley doesn't know how a front brake should work.... So they can't teach how to use the front brake... Right.

Schools are so far below the critical needs of mental awareness+finesse, the school should have a big banner on the front wall, that says....

This school doesn't teach you all that you need to know.
It gets you started, and the rest is up to you doing more in life.

People go through drivers training, and get a license to drive...
But they can't drive for shit.... Ya don't have to look far to see the failure of schooling.
 
I'm with Aaron on this one but like many....I am tired of the entire fucking subject.

Now back to HD.
Yes, call it marketing if you want but it's smart marketing and actually serves a purpose (how often can you say that?)
Admittedly I am one of the first to throw dirt at The Motor Company but in this case it's hard not to give credit where credit is due.
 
gixxerjeff said:
I'm with Aaron on this one but like many....I am tired of the entire fucking subject.

Now back to HD.
Yes, call it marketing if you want but it's smart marketing and actually serves a purpose (how often can you say that?)
Admittedly I am one of the first to throw dirt at The Motor Company but in this case it's hard not to give credit where credit is due.
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Yeah, but...

The military pays for training at any school, more or less, including the HD school, if you can call it that.

Are the HD salesdudes teaching the material or are there real certified instructors (CSMP, etc.)?
HD salesdudes.

Do they have multiple makes of bike for use in the class or are they all HD?
No, all HD.

Is there a 'discount' for attendees to buy HD chaps, orange shirts, & black vests, i.e. buy-in on the HD club mythos?
Yes, of course.

I've got no hard beef against marketing, but if it results in more jackwad HD riders that have not learned any real riding skills (front brake, not weaving thru traffic, over-revving the engine, swapping out the pipes for max decibels, etc.), well, I can do without that contribution to the rider population.
 
I'm not sure Cinc' because I havent taken the class but I find it hard to believe the instructors will be feeding them the same ham-fisted cliches that many here presume will fill the curriculum. It seems to me this is merely motorcycle instruction sponsored by H/D.....and that's it.
 
Cincinnatus said:
Uncle Sam authorizes and will pay for all military motorcyclists, regardless of branch or status (Active, Reserve, or National Guard) to take one authorized safety course per fiscal year.

Authorized, in this case, means after you've taken the CSMP or other basic course, any certified skills trainer's class, such as Lee Parks' Total Control, etc.

Interesting info on pages 12 & 13 here - http://www.first.army.mil/diveast/documents/pdf/motorcycle_safety.pdf
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I wonder if that is still valid as the write up was in 2011. Nice info though.
I met a reservist last week who has to travel to the Bay Area from Reno for training as it is now the closest facility open to him. He also stated that along with their VA bennifits being cut drastically, they couldn't get weapons recertification as there was no money in the budget for bullets. Unsure of the validity of this but he was older and seemed like a stand up guy. I can only imagine the cuts may have included paid motorcycle training


Regardless of HD's reasoning, their free motorcycle military training is a good step in the right direction that no other motor company's have been willing to take.
As with any other new rider parking lot cone training course, riders are taught to not use or cover the front brake lever unless preparing to stop. HD's courses certainly are not the best, but they are not the worst either and any professional training will be beneficial to a new rider.
 
72SBC said:
Street 500's. It used to be the Buell Blasts.
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Nobody's buying them, so it's good to see they repurposed those bikes from being showroom dust collectors.
 
Trapperdog said:
I met a reservist last week who has to travel to the Bay Area from Reno for training as it is now the closest facility open to him. He also stated that along with their VA bennifits being cut drastically, they couldn't get weapons recertification as there was no money in the budget for bullets. Unsure of the validity of this but he was older and seemed like a stand up guy. I can only imagine the cuts may have included paid motorcycle training
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Cuts? Yes of course. We are on a continuing resolution and that certainly affects reservists more than active duty. He certainly did not need to ride from Reno to SF for a class but possibly that was his choice to do so. Any member can pay for a class and get reimbursed because it is a requirement put forth by policy.

I am not a fan of HD but certainly not a hater either. I know a couple mates that took that HD course and had very positive things say about it. But as Cinci stated, there are multiple opportunities to get the recertification done.
 
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gixxerjeff said:
I'm not sure Cinc' because I havent taken the class but I find it hard to believe the instructors will be feeding them the same ham-fisted cliches that many here presume will fill the curriculum. It seems to me this is merely motorcycle instruction sponsored by H/D.....and that's it.
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I was the 5th Brigade, 75th Training Division Driver Training NCOIC and the motorcycle safety guy when I was at Camp Parks in Dublin; and when I went to the 63d Regional Support Command, I was the Motorcycle Mentorship Program and safety guy, and put together a preliminary event that had both Budman and Enchanter as guest presenters.

Having thus established my credentials, I can state that I have talked to Soldiers in my commands that said exactly what I posted above. HD only uses HD products and the 'instructors' were just salesdudes. Little resemblance to the MSF or CSMP.
 
Cincinnatus said:
I was the 5th Brigade, 75th Training Division Driver Training NCOIC and the motorcycle safety guy when I was at Camp Parks in Dublin; and when I went to the 63d Regional Support Command, I was the Motorcycle Mentorship Program and safety guy, and put together a preliminary event that had both Budman and Enchanter as guest presenters.

Having thus established my credentials, I can state that I have talked to Soldiers in my commands that said exactly what I posted above. HD only uses HD products and the 'instructors' were just salesdudes. Little resemblance to the MSF or CSMP.
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At least here in San Diego the HD instructors are CMSP certified and the curriculum is the same as a cmsp class. (I'm a CMSP instructor and many of my colleagues also teach at hd)
 
Cincinnatus said:
I was the 5th Brigade, 75th Training Division Driver Training NCOIC and the motorcycle safety guy when I was at Camp Parks in Dublin; and when I went to the 63d Regional Support Command, I was the Motorcycle Mentorship Program and safety guy, and put together a preliminary event that had both Budman and Enchanter as guest presenters.

Having thus established my credentials, I can state that I have talked to Soldiers in my commands that said exactly what I posted above. HD only uses HD products and the 'instructors' were just salesdudes. Little resemblance to the MSF or CSMP.
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I believe you and am bummed to discover this.
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Hopefully, Peter's experience is an outlier and wally's is the norm. Fingers crossed.
 
If HD has improved their program to where they do meet CMSP standards and don't push the HD life/riding style, I'd be delighted. At this point, however, I'm Jerry McGuire.
 
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