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As an illiterate knuckle dragger, I kindly request pictures of the new toy ...with maximum farkle, please.
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My new toy
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DonTom
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I am now charging up in the garage; soon I'll head for Virginia City on this bike.
Charges at 6.3 KW (max). I find it normally charges at 5.8 or 5.9 KW.
J-1772 cover:
Side bags are collapsible and lock. They have a removable bag that comes with the deal inside each. Also, one can be purchased for the travel trunk, which I also have.
:Has Apple CarPlay (will also work with later Android Versions) and more on the movie-type screen:
Front of bike
Adjustable front screen:
-Don- Reno, NV
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A few more photos: This shows the radiator (has two fans) and the only place I could find for my own wiring for the horns, GPS, TPMS, and a connector to keep the 12V battery charged up:
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The voltmeter I added with a USB output for my 5VDC TPMS:
The Origin App:
Touchscreen only works when stopped. Here is one of the riding screens (there are several):
Battery SOC is the bar graph on the left, showing 100% SOC without a digital number. I wish they had the "56 miles" range left above it instead of above the water temp graph. The "94" is the total mileage on the bike (the odometer):
On a very hot day, above 100° F., the coolant temp will show one more bar. If it is also ridden very hard, then two for 70%. It charges well in the heat, unlike Zeros.
This bike is even quieter and smoother than a Zero. There is no trace of noise from the enclosed chain.
Another feature I like is that the throttle goes backwards (CW) for reverse and also adds a lot more regen when riding down to a stop. Has regen at 2 MPH. No need for the brakes down the steepest hills.
-Don- Reno, NV
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The voltmeter I added with a USB output for my 5VDC TPMS:
The Origin App:
Touchscreen only works when stopped. Here is one of the riding screens (there are several):
Battery SOC is the bar graph on the left, showing 100% SOC without a digital number. I wish they had the "56 miles" range left above it instead of above the water temp graph. The "94" is the total mileage on the bike (the odometer):
On a very hot day, above 100° F., the coolant temp will show one more bar. If it is also ridden very hard, then two for 70%. It charges well in the heat, unlike Zeros.
This bike is even quieter and smoother than a Zero. There is no trace of noise from the enclosed chain.
Another feature I like is that the throttle goes backwards (CW) for reverse and also adds a lot more regen when riding down to a stop. Has regen at 2 MPH. No need for the brakes down the steepest hills.
-Don- Reno, NV
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ctwo
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That's it?
ctwo
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Hate that nanny stuff. 2023 Tacoma nav system only works with voice commands. Your passenger cannot even help you and the VR sucks.
The average energy consumption seems backwards (i.e., 40 Wh/mi), but it indicates 222 miles might be possible on a full charge, when new.
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I do not know which you mean, so I will answer both.
Can-Am started with the 2025 model, the same year as mine, even though new.
The battery is 8.9 KWH, this bike is meant for short distances when no charging is available and for long distances where there are enough J-1772 charging stations, such as in this area. Charge stops are short and fast, unlike larger Zeros.
It takes twice as long to charge a battery twice the size at the same charge rate, so range is not much of an issue these days in areas that have enough charge stations. Stop twice as long at each stop, or half the time at twice the stops. Not much difference in a day's riding time & distance.
BTW, unlike Zero, Can-Am gives real specs that are very easy to beat. For example, Can-Am does not even mention the max capacity of the battery; it is 8.9 KWH that is 100% useable. Zero only likes to brag about the max capacity and does not mention that it is above the useable capacity.
I am finding the range to be MUCH better than Can-Am specs. I did mostly city riding today and was getting mostly around 10 miles per KWH, so that comes out to 89 miles in the city. A lot of it was above 50 MPH, and I saw a lot of 12 miles per KWH, but only a little below 10 miles per KWH. Even uphill to VA City the miles per kWh were very reasonable today.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Where did you see 40 wh/mi?
I never have a passenger these days.
I like the pussy motorcycle stuff. I even ride motorcycles much like a little old lady:
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I just added some info to message number 23 on an edit.
-Don- Reno, NV
-Don- Reno, NV
ctwo
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Math using your dash display of 25 mi per KWH and 8.9 KWH battery = 222 miles, or inversely 1 KWH / 25 mi = 0.04 KWH/mi or 40 Wh/mi
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OIC. but it will not average anything near 25 miles per KWH. That number resets for very time the bike is turned on, unlike the other numbers shown. So perhaps I moved the bike a few feet with the motor or whatever. IOW, at 2 MPH, perhaps it really gets 25 miles per KWH. Otherwise expect less than 10 miles per KWH average in normal city riding.
FWIW, it does beat their own specs, unlike Zeros. I just charged to full after yesterday's ride and it is now showing I have a 71-mile range. That means I averaged 7.98 miles per KWH in yesterday's ride to Virgina City and back. I went to VA City from the south in Carson City and came home via Virginia City. But I was mostly off the freeways. It was mostly city riding but includes riding up to Virgina City and back down again.
I was on Hwy 50 for a short while, which was my fastest speed yesterday.
It really is a great bike for the hills with the way the regen can be increased while riding at a steep downhill grade to a complete stop. Much like Tesla's one-pedal driving, regen to a complete stop, but this bike does it MUCH better. Makes the bike fun to ride, much like the regen control on the steering column on my Chevy Bolt.
I loved yesterday's ride on my new toy. The smoothest and quietest bike I own. and the most fun to ride.
FWIW, I hate the way regen works in Teslas. No way to increase it while driving from low regen and it adds nothing to the brake pedal.
I love the way it works in my Chevy Bolt and on my new toy. With the Chevy Bolt, it has progressive regen from the brake pedal as well as declaration regen be adjusted higher as needed for every stop.
My new toy adds nothing to the brake levels but that is unnecessary as no need for the brakes at all, as I can do a complete fast stop downhill by moving the throttle backwards in reverse. The throttle releases to about a quarter open where other bikes will be fully closed. I move the throttle backwards from that point to increase regen to a fast stop downhill with no need to touch the brakes.
I love the way this new toy rides in the hills!
-Don- Reno, NV
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My new toy can easily beat every spec Can-Am claims, except for one. Range is better than they claim, even at higher speeds with all the junk I added. But perhaps the windscreen shape reduces the wind drag a bit. I never tested without it.
But the bike will NOT go their claimed 80 MPH. Sport mode and "normal" mode have the same top speed, just that sport mode gets to it much faster. Dangerously faster IMO. I will not be using the Sport Mode.
At WOT, the bike's display says 78/79 MPH, but never 80. My GPS says it is really 77/78 MPH at WOT.
Since the bike is made in Canada, perhaps the max speed is really set for 125 KPH for the bike's computer, and they just rounded it off from there to 80 MPH for the USA owner's manual. 125 KPH =77.67 MPH.
I think I can live with that.
FWIW, it will go that 125 KPH/77.5 MPH uphill into a headwind. Going down the same hill is the same speed at WOT. I tested the bike out on the way to Pyramid Lake. & back. The same road where I blew a hole in the piston on my Suzuki DR200SE.
I am glad that happened. I like the Can-Am Origin MUCH better for many reasons.
-Don- Reno, NV
But the bike will NOT go their claimed 80 MPH. Sport mode and "normal" mode have the same top speed, just that sport mode gets to it much faster. Dangerously faster IMO. I will not be using the Sport Mode.
At WOT, the bike's display says 78/79 MPH, but never 80. My GPS says it is really 77/78 MPH at WOT.
Since the bike is made in Canada, perhaps the max speed is really set for 125 KPH for the bike's computer, and they just rounded it off from there to 80 MPH for the USA owner's manual. 125 KPH =77.67 MPH.
I think I can live with that.
FWIW, it will go that 125 KPH/77.5 MPH uphill into a headwind. Going down the same hill is the same speed at WOT. I tested the bike out on the way to Pyramid Lake. & back. The same road where I blew a hole in the piston on my Suzuki DR200SE.
I am glad that happened. I like the Can-Am Origin MUCH better for many reasons.
-Don- Reno, NV