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Stop Sign Law?

alpinegroove

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What constitutes a complete stop at a stop sign?
Is the rider required to have both feet on the ground before continuing?
 
Cessation of movement is a "stop" Having your feet on the ground maybe expected, but not required. Search is your friend.

However, for a better informed answer, start with this (if you were cited).
Citation help
 
I believe it is come to a complete stop with the wheels not rotating. As many riders can't get both feet on the ground.....

If I think there is any chance I stop and put one foot down. Otherwise I roll to a stop a dap a foot down.
 
The problem is that the duration of the stop isn't specified. I have heard everything from 'wheels stopped' to 3 seconds minimum. I have also heard no feet, one foot and both feet down are required. Once again, none of this is specified.

Putting both feet down is good because an officer on either side of the bike can see this. My gut feeling is that if you do a 2 footed stop and make a definite pause ( > 1 sec ) you should be ok most of the time.
 
The vehicle code only says you have to come to a complete stop. It says nothing about putting a foot down, sitting for 3 seconds, putting your kickstand down and walking around the bike twice, etc. If you can come to a COMPLETE stop without putting your foot down, it's perfectly legal. And slowing to .5MPH is NOT the same as making a complete stop.
 
If you can come to a COMPLETE stop without putting your foot down, it's perfectly legal.

But this doesn't mean that you won't get cited. Some officers want to see a foot down. If you want be be safe and not waste time in court disputing tickets, going beyond the minimum is a good idea.
 
But this doesn't mean that you won't get cited. Some officers want to see a foot down. If you want be be safe and not waste time in court disputing tickets, going beyond the minimum is a good idea.

True. Any time I'm being watched by an LEO, I put my foot down, just because it's easier than going to court. The rest of the time, I usually don't.
 
I have known some cops that made a practice of citing riders that did not touch a foot at a stop sign or prior to making a right on a red. If I am aware of this, I make it a point to "educate" them, as I can easily stop and hold the bike up for 3 to 5 seconds to demonstrate that their "no foot down" requirement is NOT defacto evidence of a violation.

So, to answer your question.. as mentioned above, a stop is a cessation of forward movement. When done properly, a true stop occurs the instant BEFORE the front-end of a vehicle "bounces back" (which some refer to as "recovery" of the suspension). As you roll forward and slow, the aggressiveness of your braking will result in a compression of the front end. If you are braking gradually, the compression will be minimal. If you brake aggressively, the compression (and potential recovery) will be more significant. Again, the STOP occurs the instant BEFORE the recovery (bounce) happens.

The problem is, many drivers (and even more riders) will stab the brakes as they are slowing to cause the front end to compress.. they usually look to see it is clear, then they accelerate rapidly, causing the front end to pop up.. in what could be called a "faux stop" as they are inducing a pseudo-recovery, when in fact, they may have never actually stopped at all.. the wheels were rolling the whole time and never stopped moving at all. Nice stunt.. try putting a foot down while doing THAT! That is where the "foot down" expectation comes from among many officers.

I hope this answers your question.

I don't write many Hollywood stop type tickets as I am more a "spirit of the law" kinda guy and as long as drivers/riders are making an effort and checking that it is clear before proceeding, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. I know enough locations in my jurisdiction where people regularly make NO ATTEMPT to even slow down and those are easy enough to write. I try to focus my efforts more on failure to yield violations and outright reckless drivers whenever possible.
 
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The problem is, many drivers (and even more riders) will stab the brakes as they are slowing to cause the front end to compress.. they usually look to see it is clear, then they accelerate rapidly, causing the front end to pop up.. in what could be called a "faux stop" as they are inducing a pseudo-recovery, when in fact, they may have never actually stopped at all.. the wheels were rolling the whole time and never stopped moving at all. Nice stunt.. try putting a foot down while doing THAT! That is where the "foot down" expectation comes from among many officers.

I can easily put a foot down without even slowing for the stop sign. That would hardly be "proof" I stopped. :laughing
 
I don't write many Hollywood stop type tickets as I am more a "spirit of the law" kinda guy and as long as drivers/riders are making an effort and checking that it is clear before proceeding, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. I know enough locations in my jurisdiction where people regularly make NO ATTEMPT to even slow down and those are easy enough to write. I try to focus my efforts more on failure to yield violations and outright reckless drivers whenever possible.

I wish every LEO was like you, then I'd never get pulled over.
 
Hollister has a law where the rider of a motorcycle is required to put both feet down at a stop sign, this is the only jurisdiction in CA that has that requirement so far as I know....
 
I don't write many Hollywood stop type tickets as I am more a "spirit of the law" kinda guy and as long as drivers/riders are making an effort and checking that it is clear before proceeding, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. I know enough locations in my jurisdiction where people regularly make NO ATTEMPT to even slow down and those are easy enough to write. I try to focus my efforts more on failure to yield violations and outright reckless drivers whenever possible.

DANGEROUSLY close to a "warning"! :teeth
 
Hollister has a law where the rider of a motorcycle is required to put both feet down at a stop sign, this is the only jurisdiction in CA that has that requirement so far as I know....

Never heard of it. :nerd
 
I've heard it mentioned here before

Maybe but I just searched the Hollister MC for 'cessation' 'stop' 'movement' and the only hits for 'feet' are in the zoning ordinances.

A cite would be appreciated, because it's not in anything I read in their traffic chapter, most of which refers back to the CVC.
 
Hollister has a law where the rider of a motorcycle is required to put both feet down at a stop sign, this is the only jurisdiction in CA that has that requirement so far as I know....

This is not true. The vehicle code is the same state wide. Unless you can quote the muni code section, this is just an urban myth.....probably repeated due to the annual motorcycle rally. :wtf
 
I can easily stop and hold the bike up for 3 to 5 seconds to demonstrate that their "no foot down" requirement is NOT defacto evidence of a violation.

I did just that once when I was stopped for "not putting my foot down".
The officer was fairly amused, and didn't write the ticket.
He asked me if I had made a point of learning to balance the bike. I suggested that it was mostly because I had made a point of knowing how to handle a bike in all aspects, including at rest. It also helped that my R1100RS will practically stand on it's own without too much trouble.
 
Just my two cents. I have seen a lot of riders who "Think" they can come to a complete stop without putting a foot down; however they can't. Use a video camera and you will see.
 
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