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Old 09-21-2020, 02:43 PM   #616
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Podium finish for every race I entered. The Light Bee got second in GPC and Adult Mini Supermoto. People could not believe how fast that little electric bike was haha!
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Old 09-21-2020, 02:53 PM   #617
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If you don't have the charge tank you will have to look for 110V outlets.
And wait around ten hours or so!

But not really always true. I charge my 2017 Zero SR with power tank (NOT charge tank) at 6.3 KWs while on the road. From J-1772, or a Tesla Destination charge station or even a 240 VAC outlet. See my Zero SR charging here, with my chargers. There I am charging from 120 VAC and 240 VAC at the same time. 120 VAC going to the OBC.

I bring two Elcon 2.5 KW chargers, one in each side bag. I wire them to the motor controller battery connections and also use the OBC for a total of 6.3 KW. I charge as fast as 8.4 KWs at home, by adding in two Delta-Q chargers using a Tesla Tap for the entire 8.4 KW from my 12 KW Tesla Wall Connector.

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Old 09-21-2020, 04:14 PM   #618
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And wait around ten hours or so!

But not really always true. I charge my 2017 Zero SR with power tank (NOT charge tank) at 6.3 KWs while on the road. From J-1772, or a Tesla Destination charge station or even a 240 VAC outlet. See my Zero SR charging here, with my chargers. There I am charging from 120 VAC and 240 VAC at the same time. 120 VAC going to the OBC.

I bring two Elcon 2.5 KW chargers, one in each side bag. I wire them to the motor controller battery connections and also use the OBC for a total of 6.3 KW. I charge as fast as 8.4 KWs at home, by adding in two Delta-Q chargers using a Tesla Tap for the entire 8.4 KW from my 12 KW Tesla Wall Connector.

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So basically you can get from 20-80% in about an hour?
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Old 09-21-2020, 04:31 PM   #619
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And wait around ten hours or so!

But not really always true. I charge my 2017 Zero SR with power tank (NOT charge tank) at 6.3 KWs while on the road. From J-1772, or a Tesla Destination charge station or even a 240 VAC outlet. See my Zero SR charging here, with my chargers. There I am charging from 120 VAC and 240 VAC at the same time. 120 VAC going to the OBC.

I bring two Elcon 2.5 KW chargers, one in each side bag. I wire them to the motor controller battery connections and also use the OBC for a total of 6.3 KW. I charge as fast as 8.4 KWs at home, by adding in two Delta-Q chargers using a Tesla Tap for the entire 8.4 KW from my 12 KW Tesla Wall Connector.

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Holy Jaezus that is hella plugs and wires, big ass boxes and fans and stuff. It looks like most of what you're carrying is charging equipment!


This looks better.

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Old 09-21-2020, 07:19 PM   #620
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At least with the SR/F you can still get the power tank and have the 6kw charger in the premium version
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Still a far cry from 25kw from dc charging with energica
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So basically you can get from 20-80% in about an hour?
That sounds about right. Faster on my DS, of course. It has a 7.2 KWH (replaced the 6.5 with a 7.2) battery and I can charge it at 1C.

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Holy Jaezus that is hella plugs and wires, big ass boxes and fans and stuff. It looks like most of what you're carrying is charging equipment!
Even on my Energica, I carry mostly charging stuff. adapters, extension cords, modified granny cable, Tesla-Tap, etc. I want to be able to charge from everywhere possible when on the road.

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Still a far cry from 25kw from dc charging with energica
That does me no good in Genoa, NV. And many other places. I can only charge the Energica at 3KW. I can charge my Zeros at twice that rate there in Genoa and MOST other places.

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Maybe stay away from Genoa?
As well as Virginia City and countless other places.

In most parts of NV, 240 VAC charging (includes an outlet or J1772 or Tesla Destination charge station)is more common than CCS by far. And the 240 VAC is usually free, unlike the CCS that usually costs a lot more than gasoline for the equal distance.

In some parts of CA, CCS is more common. Such as I-80 between here and almost anywhere to the west.

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I'm sure the DC Fastcharging are not as plentiful as L2 charging. Usually the DC Fasterchargers are around main routes like interstates and Walmarts.

That's another drawback for charging on the road many times the rate is more expensive than filling up a gas burner O_o' I manage to find the free ones =P

But yeah I think 6kwh charging is perfect I tried to see if Diginow could install a 6kw charger on my Empulse but they said they couldn't do it anymore. Apparently its "dangerous" to modify the charging system on the Empulse. Waiting to get your charge at 3kwh is painful if you are in a hurry. I'm sure double would not be as bad.
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I want the equivalent of a Light Bee with more durability and less customization needed.

The Big 4 are moving forward with swappable battery stations: https://electrek.co/2020/09/04/honda...cle-batteries/

Hades, do you have a second battery yet? Is swapping not worth the effort?
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I want the equivalent of a Light Bee with more durability and less customization needed.

The Big 4 are moving forward with swappable battery stations: https://electrek.co/2020/09/04/honda...cle-batteries/

Hades, do you have a second battery yet? Is swapping not worth the effort?
Yes I do have 2 batteries for my Light Bee the stock one and a 72V Lite Speeds Bikes battery. If you want to carry a battery to go longer distances it sucks on the Light Bee there no where to put it except in a backpack and it weighs like 25lbs. I rode up to Lick Observatory with 2 packs one time to see if I could do it and I did but it sucked carry the battery along. If you can stash the battery somewhere it would work good. Like I use my Light Bee for doordash and if I can do deliveries around my area until my battery is done I go back home swap the packs and go back out, I don't have to worry about recharging or I can recharge the packs when electricity is cheapest. That's where I think that Gogoro swappable battery pack network would be great. Especially in the city it would work great. It would be like going to a gas station, in fact it probably faster to swap batteries than fill up gas. But I don't think it will work in America because of vandals and theives. Batteries are expensive. If people knew how easy to remove and expensive a sur ron battery pack was you can bet they'd try to steal it.

Now FOR RACING 2 battery packs is what you want. Constantly discharging and charging the battery without a break is a lot of strain and heats the battery up a lot. So if you have 2 packs you can do a race or track session pull the battery out put it on the charger slap the other on in and you got a fresh battery, it won't overheat as fast. Then when the other battery is done being topped off let it rest and just continue swapping.

Now check out this bad boy from Lite Speed Bikes. It's a Sur Ron parallel battery pack. Its basically a range extender or like the Zero Power Tank. You wire it in with a parallel cable. Throw this in a backpack and you got more range. Not sure what I think about being tethered to the bike with an electrical cable though.
https://litespeedbikes.mybigcommerce...el-power-pack/

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