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Old 02-07-2003, 01:16 PM   #1
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"RIGHT" turns vs. "LEFT" turns: Golden Rule for Staying Alive!

This food-for-thought street riding technique has been "sticky'd" to keep it constantly available for those first coming to the BARF Group Ride area on the board.

In light of the recent trend of serious accidents, hopefully this topic of "RIGHT" turns vs. "LEFT" turns: Golden Rule for Staying Alive!" will be of value to new-to-BARF riders (and seasoned folks too) to read, and re-read, before each BARF Group Ride.

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ALWAYS limit yourself to taking "RIGHTHAND" corners, up in the twisties on two-lane backroads, at a MAXIMUM of 80% of the speed that you'd take an identical corner .... if it was a "LEFTHANDER".

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What's the logic?

Blow a "LEFTHAND" corner, and run 12" wide, and in most cases you'll find yourself running out to the shoulder of the road, or perhaps off into the dirt, etc. (excluding of course turns with Armco barriers immediately at the side of the pavement). A scare, maybe some scratched plastic, but often that's the extent of the punishment for your error.

Blow a "RIGHTHAND" corner and run wide by a mere 12", and you'll find 12" of you and your bike over the centerline of the road, and in the path of the approach of a 50MPH+, 3,000lb. (or more), cage. The fate of whether you live or die, at the moment you've crossed over that "LIFE-LINE" in the center of the road in a turn ....... is no longer in your hands. It's a roll of the dice at that point. If you lose ........... a lot of others lose with you (family, friends, others). The punishment for this seemingly "minor" (only running 12" wide, right?) error in a "RIGHTHAND" turn? ........ the ultimate penalty .... lights out!

So bottom line, the key to maximizing the odds of our survival while participating in the world of performance sportbike riding on the twisty backroads of the street, is to always maintain a solid cushion between what one "could' do (as far as corrnering speeds, etc.) and what one "actually does". Adding an additional 20% cushion on top of that already cardinal rule, for all "RIGHTHAND" turns, serves to stack the odds even higher in our favor.

As a final note, please take this "Right vs. Left" concept along with you on your next ride up Hwy 9, or whatever backroad that you may frequent. You, and everyone that cares about you, will be glad you did.

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Old 02-07-2003, 01:28 PM   #2
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I'll leave it stickified until TSC can add this to the group ride FAQ. Good stuff Gary
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Old 02-07-2003, 01:30 PM   #3
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I'll leave it stickified until TSC can add this to the group ride FAQ. Good stuff Gary
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Old 02-07-2003, 02:56 PM   #4
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Thanks for the info. This makes a lot of sense. I hope it will help reduce the number of casualties up in the twisties.
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Old 02-07-2003, 05:06 PM   #5
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Ever since I first started riding twisties(sept. of last year)I have ALWAYS treated the centerline like a wall. Good stuff Gary J.
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Old 02-07-2003, 05:44 PM   #6
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Thanks Gary J, good rules to ride by!
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Old 02-07-2003, 09:24 PM   #7
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damn good words Gary! hell, even on left handers when your all leaned over sometimes i'll look down and see my helmet is just above the double yellow . it happens so quick, you just really need to pay attention to where you are in relation to the "wall". be safe everyone.
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Old 02-10-2003, 03:12 PM   #8
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damn good words Gary! hell, even on left handers when your all leaned over sometimes i'll look down and see my helmet is just above the double yellow . it happens so quick, you just really need to pay attention to where you are in relation to the "wall". be safe everyone.
Yup, what DragonBro said (shoulder/elbow/helmet...) -- & thanks, Gary -- excellent advice! (and makes sense why it feels instinctively more comfortable to push turn speed/lean angle harder going left...)

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good food for thought......
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Excellent info for our newer riders and those that just forgot.. The wall concept for the double yellow is a good one too.


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Excellent tip!!

I'm in the same boat, DragonBro... leaning head over the double yellow is one
of my riding flaws...
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I almost tangled with a bike on Redwood road that was leaned way over the line, the only thing in his lane was the tires. I was in my truck, it would have ugly, I swerved and his head missed me by less than a foot. PLEASE!! be carefull.
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Good reminder, I think some of us forget little things like this often..

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Old 02-20-2003, 01:01 PM   #14
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Gary J:
kiltwearinfool mentioned a couple of books that you have written. Am I correct in assuming that your books deal with proper street riding?

How might one go about getting ahold of these books? Are they something you might pick up at the local bookstore?

Thanks for any info on these books anybody can provide!!
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Gary J:
kiltwearinfool mentioned a couple of books that you have written. Am I correct in assuming that your books deal with proper street riding?

How might one go about getting ahold of these books? Are they something you might pick up at the local bookstore?

Thanks for any info on these books anybody can provide!!
Yes Cartmen34, you're correct about the subject matter of the two sportbike riding skills (and bike suspension setup) books that I've written during the last few years. They're called "SPORTBIKING The Real World: The Advanced Riders Handbook" and the second book being "SPORTBIKING The Real World 2: Rider and Bike Tuning Handbook".

The first book is totally backroad street oriented, and applicable for any sportbike rider with a reasonable foundation of basic skills. The second book builds on those initial sportbike riding skills to add in some more advanced techniques that begin to become more important as riders occasionally take their riding to open trackdays and track school environments too. The second book also has about 60 pages devoted to instructing on the basics of setting up the suspension on a modern sportbike, using the factory provided adjusters.

The books are sold locally in the south bay at "Honda Milpitas", "Road Rider" and "Helimots European Accessories" (in San Jose), and "All American Honda" (in Santa Cruz). They're also orderable online from "Amazon.com", and a number of other national book distributors (Whitehorse Press, Barnes&Noble, etc.).

That's the info on the books, if you're interested in acquiring them.

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