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Old 10-27-2020, 02:34 PM   #691
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Harley cool bicycle, way cool. But what is a bicycle? Or a motorcycle?

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Old 10-28-2020, 09:02 AM   #692
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I'm still painfully waiting for the electric dirtbike revolution. Where the FUCK is it?
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Old 10-28-2020, 02:11 PM   #693
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I'm still painfully waiting for the electric dirtbike revolution. Where the FUCK is it?
You've got a couple choices:
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Old 10-28-2020, 02:43 PM   #694
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Old 10-28-2020, 04:36 PM   #695
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Eric and I had a wonderful Alta ride today at Hollister. We did all the Renz.
It was pretty slippery, but the electric power delivery lacking the impulses of combustion sure makes it more enjoyable.

It was all very quiet too.
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Old 10-29-2020, 08:31 AM   #696
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You've got a couple choices:
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No, I mean dirt bikes. Alta is dead, the rest are dual sports. The KTM Freeride and soon to be released Sur Ron are 3/4 sized dirt bikes. But nobody is making anything like the Alta right now.

I'm looking to buy a Beta in 2 years when my truck payment is up. Coulda been an electric bike if there were multiple companies competing against each other to evolve their products. The only company who has offered anything of the quality of an ICE bike is Alta.

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Old 10-29-2020, 01:49 PM   #697
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No, I mean dirt bikes. Alta is dead, the rest are dual sports. The KTM Freeride and soon to be released Sur Ron are 3/4 sized dirt bikes. But nobody is making anything like the Alta right now.

I'm looking to buy a Beta in 2 years when my truck payment is up. Coulda been an electric bike if there were multiple companies competing against each other to evolve their products. The only company who has offered anything of the quality of an ICE bike is Alta.
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I wouldn't consider the Zero FX a dirtbike. But a lot of people seem to use them for that - which is impressive haha.

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Old 10-29-2020, 02:34 PM   #699
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I wouldn't consider the Zero FX a dirtbike. But a lot of people seem to use them for that - which is impressive haha.
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I wouldn't consider the Zero FX a dirtbike. But a lot of people seem to use them for that - which is impressive haha.
I saw these two Zero employees were racing 2 Zero MMX at a Hollister hare scramble couple years ago. If they could finish the race on that course then they are definitely dirt bikes. The MMX is basically a military version of the FX, with the chain kit I guess.

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No, I mean dirt bikes. Alta is dead, the rest are dual sports. The KTM Freeride and soon to be released Sur Ron are 3/4 sized dirt bikes. But nobody is making anything like the Alta right now.

I'm looking to buy a Beta in 2 years when my truck payment is up. Coulda been an electric bike if there were multiple companies competing against each other to evolve their products. The only company who has offered anything of the quality of an ICE bike is Alta.
I don't know what you mean by dirt bike because I've ridden my Sur Ron everywhere I would ride a "dirt bike" and more because it's plated. The cake is a like a bigger more powerful sur ron. I haven't ridden the KTM yet but it's suppose to be a "dirt bike" you ride it on the dirt. Please clarify dirt bike?

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: a usually lightweight motorcycle designed for operation on unpaved surfaces

If the Sur Ron at 125lbs and the Cake at 150lbs isn't light weight and ridden on unpaved surfaces what kinda bikes are they?

Looks unpaved to me

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Clem, closest things to a dirt bike at the moment would be the KTM and in some ways the Electric Motion. Still waiting on the honda.

These Electric Motions have a CLUTCH!



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I don't know what you mean by dirt bike because I've ridden my Sur Ron everywhere I would ride a "dirt bike" and more because it's plated. The cake is a like a bigger more powerful sur ron. I haven't ridden the KTM yet but it's suppose to be a "dirt bike" you ride it on the dirt. Please clarify dirt bike?

dirt bike noun
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If the Sur Ron at 125lbs and the Cake at 150lbs isn't light weight and ridden on unpaved surfaces what kinda bikes are they?

Looks unpaved to me
You could honestly "define" it however you please, call it the mega dirt bike or whatever. Doesn't matter what I call it. Bottomline, it's not what the market is willing to buy as replacements. You've got a niche product for niche buyers. Hell, Alta didn't even make it and they made a premium product but were just slightly ahead of their time.
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When I say dirt bike, I mean a no-compromise, single track ready dirt bike. Less than 260lbs, 11-12" suspension travel, 2 hours of riding time, and can hill climb like my XR400.

These bikes with bicycle suspension and anemic motors will not suffice. I've ridden the Alta, I know what is possible, nothing comes close to what they made yet. If there was an Alta-level bike at 10,000$, it would be worth buying.

The electric motion bikes seem COOL, though. I wouldn't mind a trials bike, but not ready to financially commit to one. Can you guys vote for people who pay teachers more, please?

And a funny thing, I have a new neighbor who has the Sur Ron and KTM bikes, and I've been working on some singletrack in the forest between our houses. hopefully he will join me and let me ride the two bikes.

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Old 10-31-2020, 03:22 PM   #705
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You could honestly "define" it however you please, call it the mega dirt bike or whatever. Doesn't matter what I call it. Bottomline, it's not what the market is willing to buy as replacements. You've got a niche product for niche buyers. Hell, Alta didn't even make it and they made a premium product but were just slightly ahead of their time.
That's the definition according to merriam webster I don't know how much more DEFINED you can get. It might be a niche product but Sur Rons are selling out left and right. Sur Ron is making it and they're not selling overpriced products, it's the most affording electric dirtbike you can buy at the moment, if I could buy an Alta or Cake I would but I don't want to fork over 2x or 3x the money.

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