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Old 12-03-2018, 12:05 PM   #16
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I couldn't agree more, but there are a few folks in the AFM who decided that the correct agenda for the club was to stack the deck in favor of the current crop of 350 prod legal bikes. Not only was 6.1.2B deleted, but the 300WSS class was added. There was also a preiviously allowed interpretation of the rules that a few people used to run singles down into a lightweight twins formula class...a decision was made to disallow that. Admittedly a grey area, but the singles would not have had an advantage over a true formula twin in that class...only over the prod bikes that currently fill it.

Don't get me wrong, I love that the 350 prod bikes have tons of classes to play in, and I think it's a great platform for many racers (myself included). It's just that the decisions made were done to make those bikes competitive in classes that they really have no business being competitive in. If anyone brought true 250sb legal race bikes or built true formula-based lightweight twins, a decent rider on those bikes would decimate the prod bikes and then the folks with the agenda would figure out a way to tighten the rules or change the class structure again.

One of the things I always loved about the AFM was that there was a place for all the unusual/interesting bikes. It's becoming much less so, and I mourn the loss of some of AFM's soul. I still think AFM is an amazing club with great people, but there are definitely some agendas at work that aren't necessarily the best for the club as a whole.

All that said, I don't have a horse in this race since I'm no longer racing.

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Every other CLUB racing Organization in the Country has this Rule still written into their class structure.

6.1.2B

Im glad someone else took notice.

The rule did only apply to SB NOT superstock Or "production"
The AFM could really pick up a few more bucks from its existing paddock and after 7 rounds of entry that chunk of change could be significant. Just by re inserting this sub text

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Old 12-04-2018, 08:43 AM   #17
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I would disagree, a member brought back out there TZR 250 superbike legal bike based off a production frame and won the class handily before putting it back in the shed. It was built to the rules of the class which start at the introduction to either Superstock or Superbike.

Formula classes are in existence for unusual/interesting bikes with pretty much anything goes and class being dictated by the engine displacement. Have a one off frame, that would be Formula based bike. Have a frame that was manufactured and distributed for street use available from a dealership world wide, that's a superbike.

Those most basic rules, the introduction to each class explaining where a motorcycle originated from, have not been modified.

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Old 02-20-2019, 03:51 PM   #18
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I would disagree, a member brought back out there TZR 250 superbike legal bike based off a production frame and won the class handily before putting it back in the shed. It was built to the rules of the class which start at the introduction to either Superstock or Superbike.

Formula classes are in existence for unusual/interesting bikes with pretty much anything goes and class being dictated by the engine displacement. Have a one off frame, that would be Formula based bike. Have a frame that was manufactured and distributed for street use available from a dealership world wide, that's a superbike.

Those most basic rules, the introduction to each class explaining where a motorcycle originated from, have not been modified.

And we do miss you on the grid.
The example you site is from NINE seasons ago (9)..The rider was well know in the motorcycle community to have VAST financial resources..He was never protested so his championship was certified as legitimate. It would be better to take inventory of TODAYS paddock make up-and gather those extra entries into our existing classes. I believe on this particular instance your "class Destroying" fears are entirely unfounded. Every other Racing Organization in North America recognizes that singles and twins have an inherent Disadvantage in performance hence the allowance to run under formula rules. The AFM had this rule in place for 30 Seasons Prior to the striking of it from the book..It is clear there are no vast custom builds waiting in garages for the rule to be returned- just folks waiting in the existing ranks of regular attendees waiting to pick up more classes. It really makes no sense to not put 6.1.2B back in the rule book for 2019.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:08 PM   #19
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I only ask as my '96 ninja 250 has a ninja 300 engine in it, and that exception allowed me to not only be legal for SBK, but also stay some what competitive. Was this something that was purposefully removed or just seemed like an antiquated rule that affected no one?
Did you ever get an official ruling on this? Superbike legal? Which class? Or Formulae only? Thx
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Old 03-31-2019, 08:10 PM   #20
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This year, my bike is only legal for formula classes. Mainly competitive in FIII and Formula Twins (under 500cc). Im not competing, but when I do plan on racing again, I will make sure to petition the reinstatement of this rule, or a variation of it.

I enjoyed racing in the SBK class and Im sure the AFM enjoyed my entry fee to participate in it.
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Old 04-05-2019, 01:10 PM   #21
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Darn, would be fun to run that combo in 250 Superbike. There’s always 300s with blown engines for cheap on Craigslist.
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Old 04-07-2019, 12:01 PM   #22
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Darn, would be fun to run that combo in 250 Superbike. Thereís always 300s with blown engines for cheap on Craigslist.
I bought a guys whole 250 "race program" a few years back. So many spare parts, 3 frames, extra fairings, etc. I could rebuild this bike 3 times over and still have pieces left. Im enjoying figuring out how to keep a 20+ year old bike competitive. Turns out the 1st gen Ninja 250 is not that different from the 2nd gen Ninja 250 or even the Ninja 300.
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Old 04-08-2019, 06:36 AM   #23
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I bought a guys whole 250 "race program" a few years back. So many spare parts, 3 frames, extra fairings, etc. I could rebuild this bike 3 times over and still have pieces left. Im enjoying figuring out how to keep a 20+ year old bike competitive. Turns out the 1st gen Ninja 250 is not that different from the 2nd gen Ninja 250 or even the Ninja 300.
if you have a 90s-00s bike you have a 2nd gen 1st gen was 86/87
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:34 AM   #24
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:41 PM   #25
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yeah, 88-07 = 2nd-gen aka pregen
08-12 = 3rd-gen aka newgen

The pregens had about +10% more power than later model. I'd say put 250 engine back in so you can be in Superbike. Then build up engine using ZX6R pistons and rods for 338cc and +50bhp and beat up on Ninja 400s. Those 400s put down surprising upset at round-1 (1:54 range), faster than SV650!
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:04 PM   #26
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Point #1 Round one 2019 the rulebook attached to registration allowed formula bikes to race Superbike

Point #2 AFM at the event is confused about there own rulebook and doesn't have a 2019 rule book

Point #3 AFM DQ's riders for signing up according the AFM's rulebook at registration

Point #3 AFM (who ever they are creating rules) doesn't have the courtesy to admit the situation and have a conversation about the rules

Would somebody please pick up the phone at the AFM and call me or come have a conversation at the race about changes and inquiries? I don't get it
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Old 04-09-2019, 05:12 PM   #27
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AFM answer the phone? Now that is funny!!
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