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Old 03-26-2021, 07:00 AM   #76
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Thanks for the info...It really warned me how dangerous riding is
And something more, I hope: Lane splitting can be dangerous, but almost always in predictable ways. Knowledge of where and how trouble begins, along with good habits of observation, positioning, and speed reduces the risk to a level most riders find acceptable.
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Old 04-02-2021, 11:02 AM   #77
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No, they're not trying to kill you

In post #2 of this thread I made a big deal about attitude, by which I mean readiness to perceive conditions and events in certain ways and react accordingly. A good attitude syncs up nicely with reality--perceptions will reflect what's really happening. A bad attitude does not. This matters because attitude creates expectations, and expectations that correctly account for driver motivations and intentions enable accurate predictions of specific actions.

Short version: If you think drivers are trying to kill you while splitting (they're not) your predictions about what they might do will be wrong 99.9% of the time, and you won't be able to avoid unintentional incursions.

Here's a New Zealander who has it all wrong:
A motorcyclist has issued an impassioned plea for motorists to stop cutting them off as they weave through traffic, saying it puts them in serious danger. The man posted on a Tauranga community Facebook page ahead of the Easter long weekend reminding motorists to be careful.

"When traffic is moving slow and you see a motorcyclist lane splitting (moving between vehicles) do not try and cut them off!"

He continued on to say that just because the person may not like a motorcyclist weaving through traffic, it doesn't give them the right to cut the biker off, as it's a legal manoeuvre in New Zealand.

"This happens to me and other riders far too often and those arrogant drivers doing this to riders for no reason at all has to stop. By cutting off that motorcyclist you are committing a dangerous act that could put the rider in serious to life-threatening harm even at slow speeds."
Drivers cut off lane-splitting motorcyclists because they're simply trying to change lanes, though perhaps carelessly. They don't want to wreck their car or ruin their day.

A lane change is more likely where there is:
  • a gap in the opposite lane to move into
  • a large speed differential between lanes
  • a junction where freeways join or divide
  • a forced merge when a lane ends or is blocked
Keep your head and eyes up and look for these situations. On a familiar route like your daily commute, you may be surprised at how well you can predict and avoid problems. Post #14 lists some preventive measures to avoid a cut-off.
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Old 06-15-2021, 07:01 AM   #78
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Thank you for sharing these helpful tips, Dan. How would you suggest positioning oneself once you’ve filtered through a row of cars at a stop light?

Should you stay in between the two cars and quickly accelerate once the light turns green? This feels risky because someone could be running a red light and hit you.

Or should you position yourself in front of one of the cars? The risk with this strategy is that the driver behind you may not see you and then run you over as the light turns green. I’ve heard people suggest that you should give your engine a couple of light revs to get the attention of the driver behind you to mitigate this risk. The other potential downside here is that the light could turn green while you’re in the process of turning in front of the car and you could get hit.
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Old 06-15-2021, 12:29 PM   #79
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Thank you for sharing these helpful tips, Dan. How would you suggest positioning oneself once youíve filtered through a row of cars at a stop light?

Should you stay in between the two cars and quickly accelerate once the light turns green? This feels risky because someone could be running a red light and hit you.

Or should you position yourself in front of one of the cars? The risk with this strategy is that the driver behind you may not see you and then run you over as the light turns green. Iíve heard people suggest that you should give your engine a couple of light revs to get the attention of the driver behind you to mitigate this risk. The other potential downside here is that the light could turn green while youíre in the process of turning in front of the car and you could get hit.
Stop between lanes at the limit line. If you have to sneak past the line a little because another vehicle has, do it. You need a clear view left and right.

Accelerate just hard enough to get out of the way. Drivers sometimes need to change lanes after launch to position themselves for a turn in the next block, so you want to clear quickly.

One risk here, as you note, is a crossing vehicle running the red, since you will be first into the intersection. A less obvious risk is an oncoming left-turner either running the red or, when there is no protected left, attempting to beat opposing traffic through as soon as the light turns green. Maintain 100% awareness of the situation so you don't launch into the path of another vehicle. This is not a good time to read that new text or select music.

Do not move into a lane. That will inconvenience the driver and put you in danger. See the last example in post #4. I have others, too. After reading about a crash where the rider had snuck in front of a truck at a red light and was killed when slow to launch, I asked a truck driver to let me park my motorcycle in front of his rig and then sit in his driver's seat to see what I could see. The motorcycle was not visible.
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Old 06-15-2021, 04:59 PM   #80
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Should you stay in between the two cars and quickly accelerate once the light turns green? This feels risky because someone could be running a red light and hit you.
I have never found it all that hard to check traffic before the light goes green to make sure nobody is coming.

I can still remember once in Pleasanton on W Las Positas at Hopyard when I could see someone was going to run the red light and the guy in the car next to me just stepped on it when the light went green. I doubt he even realize how close he came to hitting the other car. I was trying to hold my hand out to motion him to stop, but that didn't help at all.

At intersections with turn lanes with their own lights, it's pretty easy to be sure that you can proceed safely as soon as the light goes green.
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