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Old 05-10-2021, 06:53 AM   #706
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The issue is causality.

There are going to be x amount of natural deaths among the population just out of natural causes, but Carlson is taking all of those deaths and misrepresenting them as being all caused by the vaccine.

He has an agenda and there is nothing honest about it. As a result, he will be directly causing the deaths of thousands of people, just as his anti-mask rhetoric will be directly causing the deaths of thousands of people.

He's an unprincipled, dangerous asshole.
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Old 05-10-2021, 07:05 AM   #707
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Oh, I see, VAERS doesn't require any human involvement to enter BS reports. I never said anything about VAERS actively doing anything. I have not heard the entirety of what Carlson said and there are probably bits missing in the quotes.

So, does anyone know how many vaccine-related deaths there actually are? Is the contention that the vaccine has caused no deaths. I suspect someone said, we really don't know.
Who says the reports are BS? Just because there’s no verification of the data entered doesn’t mean the records are BS, unless that’s your contention, in which case I’d as for proof. The issue is that you said that VAERS is spreading misinformation, and “spreading” is a verb. VAERS doesn’t “spread” anything, that takes a human.

I don’t think anyone here has made the statement that no one has died from the vaccine, I have seen reports that one person died from blood clots. That is one out of almost 7 million doses administered, making it a 1 in 7 million chance of being killed by the vaccine.
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Old 05-10-2021, 07:13 AM   #708
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Out of 1 million people who choose not to get the vaccine, how many will be hospitalized, how many will die?

I think that people who choose not to get vaccinated are the same kind of stupid people who help pay for those huge casino's in Las Vegas. They must have all failed math.
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Old 05-10-2021, 06:57 PM   #709
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Who says the reports are BS? Just because there’s no verification of the data entered doesn’t mean the records are BS, unless that’s your contention, in which case I’d as for proof. The issue is that you said that VAERS is spreading misinformation, and “spreading” is a verb. VAERS doesn’t “spread” anything, that takes a human.

I don’t think anyone here has made the statement that no one has died from the vaccine, I have seen reports that one person died from blood clots. That is one out of almost 7 million doses administered, making it a 1 in 7 million chance of being killed by the vaccine.
One of your links said as much as BS reports being entered, but I did not read the actual report of the boy who turned into the Hulk. Maybe he just got a little green from something he ate... I'm sure you're familiar with the disclaimer.

Are we back on the spreading issue? It was already addressed. It is serving the info it does and it is apparently a source of issue. Here is more "spreading" (miss-?) info, "Over 245 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 3, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,178 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine." Git yer pitchforks... that reads a lot like Carlson's statement, without the flamboyant hype and drama that would make it an entertaining show (just guessing, don't watch it myself).
source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html


Now, you're going against the mainstream line. "It's “100% false" that people are dying from the Covid-19 vaccine, CNN's @DrSanjayGupta says."

12-year-old and up starting this Wed, maybe... Like my faith in God, I need not question that they know what they're doing.
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Out of 1 million people who choose not to get the vaccine, how many will be hospitalized, how many will die?

We could probably make some sort of educated guess based on the current infection rate, accounting for those who were already infected and vaccinated (including the 5800 or so that actually got covid after being vaccinated, as reported by the CDC).

I'm just glad to hear that just one sack-0-shit is the biggest barrier to getting all adults vaccinated.

I heard about this new disease called Foxmania or Foxitis.
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One of your links said as much as BS reports being entered, but I did not read the actual report of the boy who turned into the Hulk. Maybe he just got a little green from something he ate... I'm sure you're familiar with the disclaimer.

Are we back on the spreading issue? It was already addressed. It is serving the info it does and it is apparently a source of issue. Here is more "spreading" (miss-?) info, "Over 245 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 3, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,178 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine." Git yer pitchforks... that reads a lot like Carlson's statement, without the flamboyant hype and drama that would make it an entertaining show (just guessing, don't watch it myself).
source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html


Now, you're going against the mainstream line. "It's “100% false" that people are dying from the Covid-19 vaccine, CNN's @DrSanjayGupta says."

12-year-old and up starting this Wed, maybe... Like my faith in God, I need not question that they know what they're doing.
Please quote my link that states BS reports are being entered, then show us where VAERS is spreading misinformation. You keep trying to say it is, but can't come up with a logical explanation as to how it accomplishes that.
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Old 05-10-2021, 08:03 PM   #712
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I heard about this new disease called Foxmania or Foxitis.
I saw that term, Foxitis, for the first time tonight, apparently being used as a defense for one of the January 6th defendents.

It is as inane as the 'No reasonable person would take his statements seriously' argument. That shit sickens me, it would take a thoroughly corrupt judge to allow that kind of excuse.
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Old 05-10-2021, 08:05 PM   #713
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Are we getting political??

Please don’t.

I can see an end to the Covid forum In sight. Hoping we can dump it before 2022.
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Please quote my link that states BS reports are being entered, then show us where VAERS is spreading misinformation. You keep trying to say it is, but can't come up with a logical explanation as to how it accomplishes that.
I musta hit your G-spot! Okay.

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"Anybody can report to it," Offit said. "If I get a vaccine, or I give my child a vaccine, and I believe that they have turned into the ‘Incredible Hulk,’ then I can write up a one-page report online and submit it, and that then is included. And that’s been done."

A disclaimer on the VAERS website says the "reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness," in part because they "may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information."

So, anyone can report to it, any story they wish (and you can look up the reports yourself, I'm happy to go with the text of your source), and the data is not verified, may be inaccurate, incomplete, or coincidental... Collect that data in a searchable database, provide a report, and with leverage of the CDC/FDA... and the main complaint is phrasing that is almost identical to that found on the CDC website, but without the drama. Maybe the guy should be a statistician... because if he's not a liar, he may just be an expert

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I saw that term, Foxitis, for the first time tonight, apparently being used as a defense for one of the January 6th defendents.

It is as inane as the 'No reasonable person would take his statements seriously' argument. That shit sickens me, it would take a thoroughly corrupt judge to allow that kind of excuse.
You are aware of the judges official opinion on it, right?

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/91774...ay-fox-s-lawye

I mean, I put him there with Kimmel.
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I saw that term, Foxitis, for the first time tonight, apparently being used as a defense for one of the January 6th defendents.

It is as inane as the 'No reasonable person would take his statements seriously' argument. That shit sickens me, it would take a thoroughly corrupt judge to allow that kind of excuse.
I saw a video (actually 2) referring to that, the overriding charge against him carries a maximum of 20 years in prison and a quarter million dollar fine. His attorneys are doing everything they can to keep him from going to trial...
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So, anyone can report to it, any story they wish (and you can look up the reports yourself, I'm happy to go with the text of your source), and the data is not verified, may be inaccurate, incomplete, or coincidental... Collect that data in a searchable database, provide a report, and with leverage of the CDC/FDA... and the main complaint is phrasing that is almost identical to that found on the CDC website, but without the drama. Maybe the guy should be a statistician... because if he's not a liar, he may just be an expert



No politicians were harmed in the making of these comments.

But I'll stop now.
As has been stated, that was one report and it was removed. Saying that those records can exist is different from your statement that they do exist. If you're going to drive down that road, you're going to have to show proof that they do exist, not just that they can exist.

And what's with the "G spot" comment? Is that an ad hominem of some sort?
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One of your links said as much as BS reports being entered
And while you’re at it, go ahead and explain the sentence above in detail, as to exactly what it means.
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Its days later and no side effects except sore arm. That was not even that bad because I went bouldering and did not even notice after I was warmed up.
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Are we getting political??
It sure looks political to me. I was considering unsubscribing from this one because of it.

Can you guys take the VAERS, Fox News, etc stuff somewhere else?
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