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Old 02-04-2005, 04:29 AM   #1516
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IMO, a light on a gun is fine, IF used intelligently. With a weapon mounted light, the idea is not to turn it on and leave it on, but to use it when needing to light a particualry dark area, or if you do ID something you think might be a bad guy; you can see if they are armed, or just a late returning child/spouse etc.

Also, a blast to the eyes of a bad guy can give a second or two to seek cover. Newer model lights are extremely bright and can cause the other person to close their eyes reflexively.

Another nice thing about weapon lights is that if there are small children in the house, you believe there is a breakin attempt, and are moving the family to a safe zone, you can carry the child while still having light and a weapon at the ready.

my SHTF pistol has a light, but I have a fairly good idea of how and when to use it.
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Old 02-04-2005, 10:51 AM   #1517
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No one noticed:

1) Her shirt said CCCP (Savezna Socialisticka Sovietska Republika) aka USSR...hammer and sickle...yeah...

I noticed. I think it's a cool shirt.

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2) She's ugly


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3) She's shooting some peashooter 9mm shit that looks like Black and Decker made it.


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4) Cool hip holster


It's a thigh holster. FAGGOT!



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Old 02-04-2005, 11:37 AM   #1518
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Pipe your redneck-ass down, Cletus. Most educated women brought up anywhere between Russia and Yugoslavia along Eastern Europe know how to handle a rifle. My mom's old aeronautics firm in Fmr Yugoslavia had annual shooting competitions that all employees took part in. Women with guns is pretty common. That chick was ugly. Her face was all wrong and shit.

As to the pea shooter, the only thing it's good for is posing like that in front of the camera to show your friends how cool you are. I'd much rather have a weathered, beaten battle rifle, kthxbye.

As for the holster, looks like it's hanging from her hip. I'm not familiar with your uber-1337 holster technical terms. I'm just not cool enough to be sitting there reading books about holsters to know what the fuck is the difference between a thigh holster and a hip holster. You, on the other hand, are a fucking holster genius. If you were any cooler, the government would have to deport you for being way too cool.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:44 AM   #1519
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I am not trying to insult anyone here, but I am curious as to why people put flashlights on guns.

To me, if you are in the dark looking for a burgler, etc., although the light lets you see, it also provides an aim point for the other guy. And he may see you first due to you having the light.

If you were that concerened about being able to see in the dark in order to shoot, wouldn't you want to invest in some good night vision goggles?




Next time you're back in the Bay Area, come out to a meet and let me know. I'll make sure you meet Mr. Surefire 6P. I'll dare you to look at me and keep your eyes open for more than a second. I guarantee you won't, you can't. It's like looking into the sun, it fucking hurts and it will cause you to avert your eyes and head. If you no can see me, you no can shootee me. There's a reason why cops all over the country use Surefire handheld and weapon-mounted lights. We're not talking about silly Mag-lites here.

You ever use NODs on a regular basis? In a force-on-force exercise? Me, I've worn night-vision goggles so much I used to dream in green.

Let's say I chose to buy a AN-PVS-7B NOD, with my connections, I can probably pick up a used one, with a refurbished tube, for $700-$800. I'd love to have the new PVS-14, since it's monocular and frees up the other eye, but at the average retail price of $3500+, it's a little bit out of reach. So I'm stuck with the PVS-7. If I'm lucky, it came with a soft mount for my head so I'm not stuck holding the damn thing up to my face with one hand. Hard mounts for the Kevlar helmet, which I do have, are a bitch to find and aren't very durable. So now I've got PVS-7 in a soft mount, two AAs loaded, so all I gotta do is rotate the switch to ON and I'm GTG.

I'm laying in bed, trying to put myself to sleep reading Counter-Insurgency 101, when the front door crashes open. I reach for the PVS-7, slip on the soft mount, adjust the straps so it doesn't sag, which probably takes a good 5-10 seconds. Reach for my Mossberg 500 and prepare to defend the bedroom door. Bedroom door crashes open and I see the biggest freaking dude in my life. What's that on his chest? A police badge or a school logo? I can't tell, I need to adjust the focus on the PVS-7 to see properly. No time. Range? 5 feet? 20 feet? I don't fucking know, damn NODs don't give depth perception worth a damn, I can't tell if my hands are right in front of my face or 10 feet in front of me. I bring the shotgun up to bear, shit, I can't get a damn sight picture with this thing in my face. Fuck it, hip shot, pull the trigger, boom. Center mass, ooops, he's got a vest, still coming. I don't get a second shot cuz his buddy behind him already did a Mozambique drill on me.

See, it's not enough to be able to see in the dark, you've also got to be able to engage. Our boys in theatre use a LAD (Laser Aiming Device), maybe a PAQ-4 or a PEQ-2. Last time I heard, them devices were on the "nuh-uh" list for civilians. There's a few Russian knock-offs in the market but they're hard to find and unreliable. If you're rich, you could afford a PVS-14 monocular which you can either mount on your home-defense rifle (with an Aimpoint or EOTech) or stick on a soft-mount on your head that will allow you to shoulder a weapon and get a sight picture.

On the other hand. Forget the NODs. I just grab my Surefire-equipped Mossberg 500 when the front door comes crashing down. I can blind the assailant, impede his ability to assault, identify him, and engage him all at the same instant. And a Surefire weapons-light only costs about $300.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:48 AM   #1520
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:55 AM   #1522
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Old 02-04-2005, 04:45 PM   #1523
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I'm laying in bed, trying to put myself to sleep reading Counter-Insurgency 101, when the front door crashes open. I reach for the PVS-7, slip on the soft mount, adjust the straps so it doesn't sag, which probably takes a good 5-10 seconds. Reach for my Mossberg 500 and prepare to defend the bedroom door. Bedroom door crashes open and I see the biggest freaking dude in my life. What's that on his chest? A police badge or a school logo? I can't tell, I need to adjust the focus on the PVS-7 to see properly. No time. Range? 5 feet? 20 feet? I don't fucking know, damn NODs don't give depth perception worth a damn, I can't tell if my hands are right in front of my face or 10 feet in front of me. I bring the shotgun up to bear, shit, I can't get a damn sight picture with this thing in my face. Fuck it, hip shot, pull the trigger, boom. Center mass, ooops, he's got a vest, still coming. I don't get a second shot cuz his buddy behind him already did a Mozambique drill on me.


What kind of boyhood fantasy world do you live in? Are you a secret agent? Maybe a superspy? You are in possession of valuable CIA/NSA data and are a highly sought-after by international crime rings and terrorist cells? Maybe you're a hitman with unfinished business?

Dude, what do you do for a living? You're a desk jockey at some company, huh? The 94 Mustang V6 parked out front is a dead giveaway that there's nothing more inside your house other than empty pizza boxes and magazines with sticky pages.

But it sure is nice to live life vicariously through characters in Tom Clancy novels, isn't it?

Always keep a loaded mag ready to go. When no one comes in, you can always off yourself.

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Old 02-04-2005, 04:50 PM   #1524
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What's the deal with these:
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I've never seen/heard of them. Under $400??

Legal? Not? What good are they for?
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The kids got a point Not all of us own guns to defend ourselfs. Some just like toys. I don't think im a likely target for a 7'2 500lb dude with a school buss pass hanging over his vest busting up in my house.
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Old 02-04-2005, 05:41 PM   #1526
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Since I am not involved in any criminal activity, anyone who comes busting in my house in the middle of the night is the enemy, badge or not.

My point is that if it is night, and you are searching for the bad guy, and the bad guy is hiding and not wanting to be found, then as you are probing around with your light, the bad guy knows exactly where you are while you still don't know where he is. Consequently the bad guy gets his shot at you with a very nice target indicator.

But whatever, if you see your scenario as valid and likely to happen to you then I guess the light would work for that.


edit: I should say actually that if someone comes busting in my house, I will not be checking if they have a badge.
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What kind of boyhood fantasy world do you live in? Are you a secret agent? Maybe a superspy? You are in possession of valuable CIA/NSA data and are a highly sought-after by international crime rings and terrorist cells? Maybe you're a hitman with unfinished business?

Dude, what do you do for a living? You're a desk jockey at some company, huh? The 94 Mustang V6 parked out front is a dead giveaway that there's nothing more inside your house other than empty pizza boxes and magazines with sticky pages.

But it sure is nice to live life vicariously through characters in Tom Clancy novels, isn't it?

Always keep a loaded mag ready to go. When no one comes in, you can always off yourself.

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HAHAHA im already in the waiting period.


FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! i got sidetracked by the SA TRP OPTR, im so impulsive its not funny. ive been living off company lunch meetings (one meal a day) for over a month now, just beacuse i spend all my money on guns and ammo. hahahah,, so tired..........
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Hey barf militia guys... (and gals)

What's the deal with these:
http://www.kel-tec.com/prod03.htm

I've never seen/heard of them. Under $400??

Legal? Not? What good are they for?
No go cause centerfire with the pistol grip. They do make the SU16 which has a conventional stock that folds but is legal cause you can't fire it folded. It shoots .223 and accepts AR15 magazines. It is an OK gun, but if not for living in California there would be no way I would consider buying one.
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