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Old 07-19-2014, 09:28 AM   #1
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Flat Track Racing Mega Thread - INCLUDES SPOILERS!

Since FT is usually just discussed by me and some other gray hairs, I'd thought I'd start one big thread for discussion of everything flat track: pro and amateur races, the racers, history, rumors, technique and how to get a taste of flat track as a racer or spectator. With the AMA Pro Flat Track series (two classes) and three active series in Northern California (AMA District 36, California Flat Track Association and NorCal Short Track), there is no shortage of opportunities to race or spectate. We're also lucky to have a few practice tracks along with Flat Track schools such as California Supermoto Schools FT classes, Rich Oliver's Mystery School, Garrett Willis's Grab-a-Handful classes and American Supercamps visits to the Northern California area.

FT is doing well from grass roots to the pros.

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Old 07-19-2014, 10:42 PM   #2
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Maybe here is the right place to ask why flat track is not just the two-wheeled version of NASCAR? Round and round, always turning left... Some insight into its nuances (which I guess it must have) might make a good start for the thread and help me understand what it is that I'm missing
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:17 PM   #3
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Maybe here is the right place to ask why flat track is not just the two-wheeled version of NASCAR? Round and round, always turning left... Some insight into its nuances (which I guess it must have) might make a good start for the thread and help me understand what it is that I'm missing
Try to remember back to the days before traction control, it was flat track racing that produced world champion roadracers Kenny Roberts, Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson, Wayne Rainey, Kevin Schwantz, KRJR, and John Kocinski.

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Maybe here is the right place to ask why flat track is not just the two-wheeled version of NASCAR? Round and round, always turning left... Some insight into its nuances (which I guess it must have) might make a good start for the thread and help me understand what it is that I'm missing
It's not all about Nationals.. Ukiah/Nor cal Short track is fun.

It is just like NASCAR right up until you don your helmet and rally to the starting line. Then... it's just like racing in the grass with 15 of your best friends.

Imagine.. 140cc's of neck snapping power.. a top speed of 35MPH.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. No matter what through, you're having fun.
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Maybe here is the right place to ask why flat track is not just the two-wheeled version of NASCAR? Round and round, always turning left... Some insight into its nuances (which I guess it must have) might make a good start for the thread and help me understand what it is that I'm missing
Because getting a 2 wheeled vehicle sidawyse at triple digit speeds if just fucking beautifull. Ever get to play on a tt track with a dirt bike? It is as close to flat track as I have ever gotten and it it's intoxicating. Some day before I'm old and grey I want to have the time and coin to learn flat track.
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Because getting a 2 wheeled vehicle sidawyse at triple digit speeds if just fucking beautifull. Ever get to play on a tt track with a dirt bike? It is as close to flat track as I have ever gotten and it it's intoxicating. Some day before I'm old and grey I want to have the time and coin to learn flat track.
This. I've been to Rich Oliver's Mystery School a number of times, and I keep going back. The steel shoe is just magic!
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:43 AM   #7
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These two old riders are faster fooling around than most racers will ever be.

Side note had I Chris Carr's parents Gerry and Ann over for dinner Monday night. Jay and Chris did not have transponders on the bikes, but several people were timing them. Jay's fast lap would have been fast qualifier for the night and Chris's fast lap would have been 5th fastest qualifier.



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If you want to see 4 or more guys drafting each other into a flat dirt turn at 130+mph, on 300+lbs. motorcycles, elbow to elbow every lap! then you watch dirt track. When done right, it's one of the most beautiful forms of racing.
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So, is it the finesse needed given low traction? Other than equipment, is it pretty much like speedway, or is the technique different?
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its def like Speedway, just bigger and longer generally, faster on some tracks too. the differences in machinery probably impact the skill set, but i wouldnt be surprised if a pro from either Speedway or FT wasnt awesome at both.

on the surface, FT is def like NASCAR. but there are so many actual differences that the two arent really comparable. the main differences for me are limited traction, sprint distance races, and the heat/semi/main race structure.... oh and half the wheels
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Old 07-20-2014, 12:23 PM   #11
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Thank you. Let me ask about technique now (or physics?) I understand why the front wheel is tracking away from the direction of the turn as the rear is sliding

(same as with four wheels)


Is this related to why the riders are "on top of the bike" (leaning the bike under them) rather than hanging off (leaning "under" the bike)?
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Old 07-20-2014, 03:39 PM   #12
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Speedway you back off to accelerate, quite different from flat track.
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Old 07-20-2014, 04:01 PM   #13
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I love the flat track stuff. Wish I took some time to try it when I was in my youth.

It is a mix of balance and traction that is unique in the 2 wheel sport.

For those have never really paid attention I would suggest watching "On any Sunday".
It really does a good job of getting the vibe of the series and it remains so close in terms of technique and equipment. Of most of the two wheel racing series it is probably the most unchanged. Trials and speedway are similar, but neither involve the elbow to elbow action at speeds above 100mph that flat track does.

Plus add the stars of our sport that found their roots in FT or simply made a good career from doing it and you have something very very unique.

Sliding a bike is really a cool feeling. Doing it with 10 of your good friends within 10' and at more than legal speeds is the bomb!!
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Enrique, when you get over here again, go do a camp at Rich Oliver's. And if you don't think it's the real deal, check out the track that Rossi has put in, or the event in Spain last winter that Marquez competed in. If those guys think it's the real deal, maybe there's something to it.


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The best racing I've ever seen in the flesh, ever, has been flat track. They're bringing back the Calistoga Half Mile this year. Check it out.


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Seeing Stevie Bonsey win it upon its return as a treat.
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