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Old 07-26-2018, 12:51 PM   #16
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It was scary enough to watch knowing it was basically staged (even "knowing" the doors wouldn't open -- it was scary to watch).

But, yea, what else could you safely do.
The exact same thing ridden a sensible distance from the cars.
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Old 07-26-2018, 01:04 PM   #17
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The exact same thing ridden a sensible distance from the cars.
We did that, and after we reviewed the video felt it didn't have the same impact of showing the delta properly. Sorry you're not a fan of the video.
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Old 07-26-2018, 01:24 PM   #18
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While I applaud and appreciate the work Kazman and Budman are doing, I don't think the commute video would be appropriate to display lane sharing, at least not the first :53 as the rider crosses over the fog line and into the gore. This is illegal in California and is not lane sharing/splitting.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:18 PM   #19
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While I applaud and appreciate the work Kazman and Budman are doing, I don't think the commute video would be appropriate to display lane sharing, at least not the first :53 as the rider crosses over the fog line and into the gore. This is illegal in California and is not lane sharing/splitting.
You are correct and it makes a good talking point. And I can honestly say that in 4 years it has only happened twice. I have been there once when moto CHP was giving a ticket and was almost at a complete stop and car stopped short. I bobble a bit swinging the bars back and forth but then got my balance back. He was staring at me the entire time and when I went by he had a big smile on his face and raised his index finger and thumb about 1 inch apart. I laughed, he laughed and I continued on.
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Old 07-27-2018, 02:55 PM   #20
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No one ever seems as bothered by the sloppy terminology as I am, but I forge ahead anyway: Lane sharing is not LEGAL in California, it is simply NOT ILLEGAL. Many riders misinterpreted CHP's briefly posted position statement about it as a proclamation that lane sharing was "now officially legal."

My peeve aside, the slightly related point I'm trying to make is: I'm assuming that Oregon has some specific legislation making lane sharing illegal. Rather than saying you are trying to "legalize" it, isn't your effort more accurately described as "trying to make it less illegal?" But what is the strategy? Repeal whatever it is that makes it illegal? Add exceptions to the existing restrictions? If it's the latter, you might be careful what you ask for, because you might get it... in the form of ever complex and tangled laws that would make further progress increasingly difficult.

I'd love to see you guys just get rid of whatever silly business there is prohibiting lane sharing. You could argue that there are already laws in place to protect motorists from lane sharers (as there are in California), such as: Speed too fast for conditions, being reckless, etc.
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No one ever seems as bothered by the sloppy terminology as I am, but I forge ahead anyway: Lane sharing is not LEGAL in California, it is simply NOT ILLEGAL. Many riders misinterpreted CHP's briefly posted position statement about it as a proclamation that lane sharing was "now officially legal."

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AB51 made it legal. It is legal. We worked damn hard to have it in the CVC as legal.
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Old 07-27-2018, 03:18 PM   #22
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Is this it in its entirety?

21658.1. (a) For the purposes of this section, “lane splitting” means driving a motorcycle, as defined in Section 400, that has two wheels in contact with the ground, between rows of stopped or moving vehicles in the same lane, including on both divided and undivided streets, roads, or highways.
(b) The Department of the California Highway Patrol may develop educational guidelines relating to lane splitting in a manner that would ensure the safety of the motorcyclist and the drivers and passengers of the surrounding vehicles.
(c) In developing guidelines pursuant to this section, the department shall consult with agencies and organizations with an interest in road safety and motorcyclist behavior, including, but not limited to, all of the following:
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Because I have had this shown to me many times in response to my argument, and all I see is a definition for "lane splitting." I see no statement that it is or is not legal, I see no declaration of privilege or liability, nothing about its (in)appropriate use, etc. Before the enactment of this section, there was no offense called "lane splitting," and now, there is no situation where I can get all self-righteous, shake my fist, and say "EXCUSE me I'm LANE SPLITTING." I fail to see what it is about the section that "legalizes" lane splitting. The practice existed in the same form before and after, didn't it?

I'm not saying I'm any kind of legal expert or anything, but as far as the grand achievement riders seem to think it is, I'm just not seeing it.

I do notice that two wheels are required to be on the ground, so sorry guys, no lane splitting wheelies!
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Old 07-27-2018, 03:53 PM   #23
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I don’t know man.

I see some grayness still that can confuse but.

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Old 07-27-2018, 04:08 PM   #25
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I don’t know man.

I see some grayness still that can confuse but...local/California-Gov-Jerry-Brown-Signs-AB51-Motorcycle-Lane-Splitting-Into-Law-390806021...
I'm aware! Seems like a huge leap, as they say "a triumph of hope over reality." A.K.A. politics. I just don't see it.

I DO see that I've used my superpower: thread hijacking. Back to Oregon! OP, can you provide information about Oregon's legislation that prohibits lane sharing? How do they word it?
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My effort is done. It is legal.

Look forward to a codified law in Oregon.
Totally willing to give 100% towards that!
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Anything that is not illegal, is explicitly legal.

AB51 put lane splitting on the books, but it was not illegal before. Nor was it only legal in the context of it not be specifically illegal. That is not how our legal system works, at all.

That would be the same as saying eating a PB&J while wearing red slippers crossing a street is only legal because it is not illegal. It's a ridiculous way to look at it.
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You--along with a few others who post on this topic--are apparently under the impression that Americans are allowed to do ONLY WHAT THE GOVERNMENT EXPLICITLY PERMITS and that anything else is prohibited. That's not how it works here, not at all. We can do whatever we want, and the government can sanction us only for acts that the law specifically disallows. One hundred years ago, alcohol use was legal because no law prohibited it. Then along came Prohibition. Then came repeal, by which drinking was legalized when the law prohibiting it was removed, reverting to the per-Prohibition state.

For lane-splitting, this concept is implemented with a box on traffic citation forms that requires an officer to enter the Vehicle Code section he or she claims was violated by a driver. Because there is no section prohibiting lane-splitting, it is legal.

AB51 was a big win not because something that was previously illegal became legal, but because it formally recognizes lane-splitting and authorizes CHP to publish guidelines. In addition, it was a political defeat of forces who wanted a law that would ban it.
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Old 07-27-2018, 06:00 PM   #29
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Hah. My superpower perseveres. Guys, talk about Oregon.

But you raise interesting points and I want to hear more about your ideas. I’ll make a thread.
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Dude. Do it.
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And ask if it is legal. Report that in Your new thread please.
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