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Old 03-27-2020, 04:53 AM   #31
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Those are awesome cats. Abyssinians?
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Additionally, not to ring this out, but the heavy from end and general weight of an SP01 is going to soften recoil A LOT compared to a Glock. Glocks have a little snappiness to them and really can be difficult to shoot for relative newbs.
So itís actually better for weaker hands like some of smaller stature and many females.
I figured that extra weight was to help that. And since itís such a popular gun, like you said thereíll be lots of parts to make it even better. So far the list is something like this:

Sig P226 Mk25
CZ 75 SP-01
Beretta some version of the 92

Looks like all of these are hammer fired with a beaver tail. So it appears as if Iím drawn to that look.


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They sure are. 6 year old litter mates.
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:22 AM   #33
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Have you considered the HK USP45? It should fit your hands rather well.
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Old 03-27-2020, 04:38 PM   #34
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Have you considered the HK USP45? It should fit your hands rather well.
I have. And Iíve even shot the USP Expert years ago, though I had terrible groups with it. But I still think itís cool. Iíd rather have the newer HK45, but Iíll visit the old USP again because why not.
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Old 03-27-2020, 08:29 PM   #35
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I figured that extra weight was to help that. And since it’s such a popular gun, like you said there’ll be lots of parts to make it even better. So far the list is something like this:

Sig P226 Mk25
CZ 75 SP-01
Beretta some version of the 92
Once this social distancing fiasco is over, we can meet at Reed's if you want to give your list a "try it before you buy it" run

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Old 03-27-2020, 10:18 PM   #36
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Once this social distancing fiasco is over, we can meet at Reed's if you want to give your list a "try it before you buy it" run
Super kind offer. Responded to your PM.
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Old 03-28-2020, 12:42 PM   #37
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I also saw the FN FiveseveN was on the roster. Always liked the look of that one, though itís biggest selling point isnít allowed here, so the CA version only has half the mag capacity. And not sure if thatís the best for home defense with that high velocity small caliber. Still would be a great, albeit expensive, paper puncher.

Glad to know that JHP is still legal. If that fancy frangible ammo is a no go, itís good to know that hollow points are still on the table. Once I decide on a particular pistol, then Iíll figure out what particular ammo works for it, weight and whatever.

Since I live only a few miles from Reeds, that will probably be where I buy the thing and be my regular range.
Worries about over penetration and then asks about a 5.7....
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IMO, you should purchase a Glock 19/17.
It's the best all around pistol made, all things considered.

Or, a similar gun such as a CZ P-10C (or F).

Buy a nice 1911 or beretta later as a nice range gun.

Just my opinion.
Close....but for Rob....the SP-01.
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Worries about over penetration and then asks about a 5.7....
No I wouldnít use that for home defense. If I ever got one of those it would be a very expensive range queen.
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Close....but for Rob....the SP-01.
No argument here. Iím a total dirty CZ whore. I own a P10F and a TSO, and Iíve owned several others.
They have been sublime and never had a gun induced failure. And I have shot them A LOt!
Also have a Tanfoglio Limted in .40 that is pretty nice, as well. A CZesque pistol.
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Old 03-29-2020, 07:43 AM   #41
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Aren't all or most CZs a da/sa; double action/single action? I don't like that and sold a Sig because of that.

If you haven't shot much, a DA/SA trigger can be odd. Having a long first pull of the trigger than a quick follow up shots can impact aim. Those that use CZ for competition get then or modify them for single action only like a 1911.

Checked their site and "3.0-4.0 lbs in SA and 7.5-8.5 lbs in DA" and those are from the custom shop.

For home defense I'd got a Glock 19/17 and be done. Boring yes but same trigger pull and feel every time. You can get them with decked out with an optic if you want.
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Aren't all or most CZs a da/sa; double action/single action? I don't like that and sold a Sig because of that.

If you haven't shot much, a DA/SA trigger can be odd. Having a long first pull of the trigger than a quick follow up shots can impact aim. Those that use CZ for competition get then or modify them for single action only like a 1911.

Checked their site and "3.0-4.0 lbs in SA and 7.5-8.5 lbs in DA" and those are from the custom shop.

For home defense I'd got a Glock 19/17 and be done. Boring yes but same trigger pull and feel every time. You can get them with decked out with an optic if you want.
Not entirely sure if Iíll ever do any competitions, but probably not. Or the consistent pull thing would certainly steer me toward a striker fired gun.

I donít plan on keeping in the safe with one in the chamber. So whether itís striker or hammer fired, Iím gonna have to rack the slide anyways to be ready to shoot. Which of course sets up the first shot in SA on something like the CZ75 or the Sig 226.

If I was to be carrying, with one in the chamber, then absolutely Iíd get a Glock or some other striker fired and call it good.
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Aren't all or most CZs a da/sa; double action/single action? I don't like that and sold a Sig because of that.

If you haven't shot much, a DA/SA trigger can be odd. Having a long first pull of the trigger than a quick follow up shots can impact aim. Those that use CZ for competition get then or modify them for single action only like a 1911.

Checked their site and "3.0-4.0 lbs in SA and 7.5-8.5 lbs in DA" and those are from the custom shop.

For home defense I'd got a Glock 19/17 and be done. Boring yes but same trigger pull and feel every time. You can get them with decked out with an optic if you want.
Hard to argue this. My first purchase was a 19, and it would indeed be the last pistol I'd get rid of.

Rob, you have to remember, much like cars - you get a lot more style point knowing how to use it and not just posing with it. Get a starter and practice, practice, practice - you'll appreciate the money you saved on a fancy gun going towards ammo anyway. Spend some time getting proficient and when you can make your holes bigger consistently, you should think about getting a safe queen.

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I don’t plan on keeping in the safe with one in the chamber. So whether it’s striker or hammer fired, I’m gonna have to rack the slide anyways to be ready to shoot. Which of course sets up the first shot in SA on something like the CZ75 or the Sig 226.

If I was to be carrying, with one in the chamber, then absolutely I’d get a Glock or some other striker fired and call it good.
Do you not wear your seatbelt, thinking you'll have time to put it on when you start to crash?

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CZ makes:
Striker guns (P-10 series)
Da/Sa guns (CZ75, Shadow and variations, P07&9)
SA only guns (CZ75 Sa, Tactical Sports, Chechmate)

Any of the metal hammers guns are easily converted to SA only with an SA trigger, or can just be carried Cocked and Locked like a 1911 without changing anything.
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