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Old 07-31-2019, 10:43 AM   #16
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Old 07-31-2019, 11:29 AM   #17
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If you can't do the DMV test on a sportbike, you shouldn't be riding on the street as that is NOT difficult at all.

I suggest you are missing some fundamentals in motorcycle control that can only be determined in person, with a knowledgeable instructor.

I suggest the CMSP course to fill in your riding fundamental gap AND give you much more info about riding safely besides how to operate the motorcycle AND give you the DMV riding test waiver.
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:25 PM   #18
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I took my test on a 86 GSXR750. Dabbed all over the place. But I had registered at least 10 bikes, all with this particular DMV clerk, so she said, " I know you know how to ride. Pass."

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Old 07-31-2019, 12:41 PM   #19
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For renting, check out:
https://www.riders-share.com/
https://www.twistedroad.com/

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Yup, rent this one for $50 a day. Park your bike at the owner's place while you rent his bike.

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Old 07-31-2019, 12:44 PM   #20
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If you can't do the DMV test on a sportbike, you shouldn't be riding on the street as that is NOT difficult at all.
Some sportbikes have a really big turning diameter so you're basically at or near full lock all the way around the circle. The 1993 Ducati Superbike that I used to own had a 27-foot turning circle, hard to make it inside the 24-foot DMV circle on something like that.

But yeah, a ZX6R ought to be able to make it around that circle.

My XR650L has a turning diameter of about 13 feet. Way, way easier.
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:52 PM   #21
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I'd just like to add that I was one of those folks that rented a scooter for the DMV test. 3k miles I totaled my bike and almost killed myself.

Took the CMSP and haven't crashed since. Been riding 13 years. If only I knew what counter steering was I would have never crashed....

Moral of the story. DMV test bad, CMSP test good!
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:26 PM   #22
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Why not just sign up from the CMSP course, complete the skills eval that's part of that course, then take the resulting waiver to the DMV and get your endorsement?
i concur, excellent advice !
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:43 PM   #23
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The best way is to hold the throttle steady and control speed with the clutch - while dragging the rear brake.
The only way a bike falls over in a tight corner is if you lose momentum, which means either the bike stalls or you have the clutch pulled in. Rear brake + keeping the throttle cracked open is all you need to prevent either. If you're comfortable feathering the clutch or using the front brake, do your thing, but knowing where that engage point is and feathering it can be tricky if you're inexperienced with the bike.

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Old 08-01-2019, 04:28 AM   #24
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The only way a bike falls over in a tight corner is if you lose momentum, which means either the bike stalls or you have the clutch pulled in. Rear brake + keeping the throttle cracked open is all you need to prevent either. If you're comfortable feathering the clutch or using the front brake, do your thing, but knowing where that engage point is and feathering it can be tricky if you're inexperienced with the bike.
Maybe leaving the clutch out works fine on a smooth four cylinder motorcycle, but I ride only V-twins and thumpers, and they're easier to control at the friction point. It takes less than 30 seconds to become familiar with the friction point on any given motorcycle.
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Do it on your bike or donít ride. This seems very hard to do but once you get it you can do it on demand.

Lean to opposite side of turn. No front brake! Use rear and throttle control. Look over your shoulder and donít put any input on the bar.

I can show you how if you want to travel to San Jose.
OP, this is an amazing offer, take him up on it. Also do the CMSP, that will give you additional understanding. Any bike can do the DMV lollipop become a rider who can on any bike.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:13 AM   #26
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If you can't do the DMV test on a sportbike, you shouldn't be riding on the street as that is NOT difficult at all.
The DMV test is completely stupid and in no way representative of what riders are likely to encounter in the real world. I've been riding sport bikes for over 20 years and I can't remember the last time I needed to ride around inside a lollipop without putting my feet down...
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The DMV test is completely stupid and in no way representative of what riders are likely to encounter in the real world. I've been riding sport bikes for over 20 years and I can't remember the last time I needed to ride around inside a lollipop without putting my feet down...
Agree the rider's test is stupid but the lollipop represents a tight uturn or switchback.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:32 AM   #28
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The DMV test is completely stupid and in no way representative of what riders are likely to encounter in the real world. I've been riding sport bikes for over 20 years and I can't remember the last time I needed to ride around inside a lollipop without putting my feet down...
DMV test is not there to teach or prove you can ride the bike, it is there to prove that you can control the bike.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:34 AM   #29
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The DMV test is completely stupid and in no way representative of what riders are likely to encounter in the real world. I've been riding sport bikes for over 20 years and I can't remember the last time I needed to ride around inside a lollipop without putting my feet down...
That’s strange because the lollipop is present in everyday life for me.

How to do change lanes when traffic is stopped? You need lollipop skills.

How do you perform a u-turn? You need lollipop skills.

Since there is no reverse on most motorcycles the lollipop technique is crucial to learn. That one technique shows you how low speed control works. It’s not the end all be all move but a lot is going on if done properly. It’s probably why it’s the test.

Imo the figure 8 technique is the best.
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