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Old 02-20-2019, 08:29 AM   #16
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:15 PM   #17
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Zero skimps. Brakes, suspension, no proper cooling for operation and no on board fast charging. There should be a lot more asterisks on their marketing. Like they list a top speed but don't tell you that you can only hold it for a short amount of time before thermal throttling kicks in. Then there is the other power throttling where if you're below a certain % then your top speed drops more and more. Whatever they plan on unveiling I hope it's got some of that crap sorted.

The Energica, while its a little pricier from looking at it at first, it's a more complete package. The bike is well kitted and does what it says it can. And if you were to spec a Zero SR to have the same fast charging and range as a EVA it comes out about the same.
It's a bit heavier than I'd like but as soon as battery tech improves I think they have the best package to benefit. Hopefully they catch on more and the Moto-e races are interesting enough to get people excited about E-motos.

I would really like the Lighting to be closer to the Energica than the Zero. I hope it's legit.

I'm not sure when the last time you rode a Zero, but Zero has done some improvements in these areas.

-2015 they started using Showa suspension which reviews agreed that it was a good improvement. I don't have a problem with the suspension of brakes. With more travel I like riding my Zero better than my old R6.

-I do agree that active cooling for the Battery, Controller and Motor would be handy on the track. Its not an issue riding in the twisties unless you are riding like a I still really enjoyed riding Laguna Seca, but after a couple of laps the 2015 will limit power. I think ~2017 they improved the motor design and its more powerful and handles heat better

-You can get a 6.6 kW onboard accessory charger form Zero now (charge tank). Diginow sell 9.9 kW chargers that are as good as DC fast charging to the limit of the battery system.

Energica is probably great, but just too pricy right now.
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Old 02-24-2019, 08:27 AM   #18
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Since Alta production is gone I bought another. 2018 Redshift EX.
Same as my MX, except 18” inch rear wheel, O ring chain, different power maps, lights and a LICENSE PLATE.

Oh, different tyres, with rimlocks, that are heaver, so it is feels quite different than the MX.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:09 AM   #19
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Oh, I think we have a winner:
https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-srf/
Looking pretty good, who's going out for a test ride?
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:46 AM   #20
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Almost 500 pounds. I guess un-avoidable if one wants longer range.
yeah, and that's dry weight...
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:52 AM   #23
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Almost 500 pounds. I guess un-avoidable if one wants longer range.
Except... it's now shorter range.

The existing Zero S 14.4 has a 70mph range of 90 miles and weighed 408 lb. The new SRF 14.4 has a 70mph range of 82 miles and weighs 485 lb. Looks like they went for upgrades to power and speed over range.
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yeah, and that's dry weight...
Hmm? Might be a joke I am not getting?
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dry weight? no oil, no gas, no water in the batteries. With the batteries charged it increases the mass of the bike to the tune of M= E/c2.

Manufacturers used to so lie about bike weights. Still do, I suppose.
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dry weight? no oil, no gas, no water in the batteries. With the batteries charged it increases the mass of the bike to the tune of M= E/c2.

Manufacturers used to so lie about bike weights. Still do, I suppose.




New Zero is a step in the right direction. Better brakes, better suspension, better charging system, not too much of a weight penalty for the improvements either. I'd like to know if there is improvements to thermal/charge throttling, something I really hate about my Zero. Still passively cooled so my hopes are not up.
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I'm confused as to how the new Zero is any better than the previous models, besides the sleeker look and (finally!!) TC..
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It's just getting better and better. Lightning coming in March.
Look, with the Power Pack, you're getting 200 mile range.
What's not to love?

I ride a 650 lb. Fat Bob - 500 lbs is nothing...
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dry weight? no oil, no gas, no water in the batteries. With the batteries charged it increases the mass of the bike to the tune of M= E/c2.

Manufacturers used to so lie about bike weights. Still do, I suppose.
Ok... How does that apply to zero?

Unless you are implying that is the weight before they added electrolytes to batteries.
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Ok... How does that apply to zero?

Unless you are implying that is the weight before they added electrolytes to batteries.
How about fork oil? How about brake fluid? Do those count?
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