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Old 04-25-2020, 11:05 AM   #1
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Sweden took a relatively unique approach to Covid and I feared the worst...

but, fingers crossed, it appears my fears were "somewhat" unwarranted.

Mind you they did have 3 times the number of deaths per million compared to Denmark next door that took the cautious approach.

189 or so deaths per million vs 64 per million in Denmark, 160 per million in the US thus far.

Here in Sonoma County we're at 4 deaths per million thus far.

Obviously all those numbers will grow but will Sweden's slow to the same rates as others now?

Obviously their economy has benefited as far more business are as "normal" but at a cost.

The question of course is was it worth it in the long run.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-l...-in-weeks.html

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Too early to answer that question but I suspect when looking back the Swedes will say no
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:11 PM   #3
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Too early to answer that question but I suspect when looking back the Swedes will say no
Death rate per million, (which I had incorrect initially), not that much higher thus far to the US.
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Didn't the WHO just issue something today or yesterday, that said something to the effect that there is no scientific evidence for immunity, once you have had it? I think they cited Korea and China as examples where some small percentage of folks that had had it, have it again.
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Didn't the WHO just issue something today or yesterday, that said something to the effect that there is no scientific evidence for immunity, once you have had it? I think they cited Korea and China as examples where some small percentage of folks that had had it, have it again.
Yes, that is still up in the air as the article mentions but 189 deaths per million thus far in Sweden vs 160 per million here so time will tell I guess.
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but, fingers crossed, it appears my fears were "somewhat" unwarranted.

Mind you they did have 3 times the number of deaths per million compared to Denmark next door that took the cautious approach.

189 or so deaths per million vs 64 per million in Denmark, 160 per million in the US thus far.

Here in Sonoma County we're at 4 deaths per million thus far.

Obviously all those numbers will grow but will Sweden's slow to the same rates as others now?

Obviously their economy has benefited as far more business are as "normal" but at a cost.

The question of course is was it worth it in the long run.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-l...-in-weeks.html
I don't know where I read the 420 figure, I must be fucking tripping.

Their death rate (per 1point3acres.com) is 211/Million.
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:43 PM   #7
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Really interesting.

It is probably something Georgia will be like and other States that open early can look to. I mean it makes sense given their numbers that herd immunity may come easier than thought, but at a bigger price.
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but, fingers crossed, it appears my fears were "somewhat" unwarranted.

Mind you they did have 3 times the number of deaths per million compared to Denmark next door that took the cautious approach.

189 or so deaths per million vs 64 per million in Denmark, 160 per million in the US thus far.

Here in Sonoma County we're at 4 deaths per million thus far.

Obviously all those numbers will grow but will Sweden's slow to the same rates as others now?

Obviously their economy has benefited as far more business are as "normal" but at a cost.

The question of course is was it worth it in the long run.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-l...-in-weeks.html
Is this obvious? Or was there a severe drop in business in most sectors due to the virus, and public fears of the virus, regardless of a lack of SIP? Just posing the question. I haven't read or looked up any information about this.
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In the article, they misstate Sweden's population as 5 Million when it is actually 10 million.

Their death rate (per 1point3acres.com) is 211/Million.
If their population was double what they thought, wouldn't that cut the deaths per million in half? You increased it.
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If their population was double what they thought, wouldn't that cut the deaths per million in half? You increased it.
Right now https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries puts it at 217 per million. The US is at 163 per million. Denmark is 72 and California, for reference, is 42.
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If their population was double what they thought, wouldn't that cut the deaths per million in half? You increased it.
Idkw I saw the 420 figure. I must have been tripping.
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Is this obvious? Or was there a severe drop in business in most sectors due to the virus, and public fears of the virus, regardless of a lack of SIP? Just posing the question. I haven't read or looked up any information about this.
Death rate is astonishingly below that of the UK for example.

But they do have differences highlighted in the first link that made it a "better" gamble for them than perhaps others.

First rate medical care and stockpiles being among them.

"Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. "

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ving-effective

"What the Swedish experiment demonstrates, is that there’s a way to navigate these unprecedented public health challenges without recklessly imposing police state policies and without doing irreparable harm to the economy. And, yes, the results of this experiment are not yet known, but what we do know is that most nations cannot simply print-up trillions of dollars to counter the knock-on effects of bringing the economy to a screeching halt. These countries must dip into their reserves or take out loans from the IMF in order to recover from the lack of production and activity. That means they’re going to face years of slow growth and high unemployment to dig out from the mess their leaders created for them."


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I don't know where I read the 420 figure, I must be fucking tripping.

Their death rate (per 1point3acres.com) is 211/Million.
Thanks, I was just doing math based on numbers I found on the web; that's a better source.
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Thanks, I was just doing math based on numbers I found on the web; that's a better source.
There are a ton of sources.

I'm going to be switching my web-page tool over to pulling down the John Hopkins data which is a bit more tedious to retrieve and parse since it's by county. I'm using the NYTimes data, so far but the numbers only update once a day and seem to be lagging the JH data.
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Was discussing this with a FB friend a few days ago. Sweden's health care system combined with low population density are key factors. Time will tell how successful it ends up being.
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