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Old 08-09-2020, 09:54 PM   #1
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California Helmet Law and ECE Rating

What happens if I'm pulled over with a helmet that only has ECE rating and no DOT sticker? It's a Schuberth helmet that exceeds the DOT certification, but was purchased in Canada.
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Old 08-10-2020, 05:58 AM   #2
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Old 08-10-2020, 07:07 AM   #4
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ECE certification is not recognized as a legal helmet in US or California.

ECE helmets must also have DOT certification.

What will happen if you get stopped? Nothing, since the cops don't enforce the law other than the presence of you wearing a helmet.
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ECE certification is not recognized as a legal helmet in US or California.

ECE helmets must also have DOT certification.

What will happen if you get stopped? Nothing, since the cops don't enforce the law other than the presence of you wearing a helmet.
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Old 08-10-2020, 12:12 PM   #6
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Not allowed to. Court ruling.
What? Indeed.

Really?

I mean, why not.

Almost (almost) any helmet is better than no helmet. I don't think a souvenir Dodgers baseball helmet would do much good, but assuming it didn't immediately fly off, it may protect against some abrasion.

A friend wore one when we were exploring lava tubes one day, and it was certainly effective for that.
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Of course, if you ever are in an accident and suffer head injury of any type, and if it comes out that your helmet was not really DOT approved, it might be grounds for non-payment of medical expenses.

There are so many DOT helmets available, why not just get one that's approved?
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Not allowed to. Court ruling.
Are you saying you are not allowed to cite a rider for not wearing a helmet?
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Are you saying you are not allowed to cite a rider for not wearing a helmet?
I read it that they're not allowed to cite a rider for wearing an unapproved helmet.
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I read it that they're not allowed to cite a rider for wearing an unapproved helmet.
That's it.

We're not allowed to determine if a helmet meets the required safety standards. But if you have no helmet, then there's no question.
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Buying a DOT sticker off Amazon doesn't make a helmet compliant.

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Of course, if you ever are in an accident and suffer head injury of any type, and if it comes out that your helmet was not really DOT approved, it might be grounds for non-payment of medical expenses.

There are so many DOT helmets available, why not just get one that's approved?
If you're talking motorcycle/car insurance payment or any other type of civil liability, it probably wouldn't be non-payment. For example, if someone else caused the collision, they'd still be civilly liable. But it would provide ammo the insurance companies / attorneys would use to try and reduce liability. They would argue that had the rider been wearing a DOT compliant helmet, their injuries would be less severe (whether true or not) and that they should only be liable for partial medical expenses, etc. Why give them that ammo?
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That's it.

We're not allowed to determine if a helmet meets the required safety standards. But if you have no helmet, then there's no question.
I mean, that's sorta fair right?

The law is that you have to wear an DOT approved helmet. Is there a law that says that the helmet has to have a label on it? (Yes, there is: it's Federal, 49 CFR § 571.218 S5.6, State defers to the Feds for this) Are people not allowed to remove labels from their things? Custom paint it? It doesn't say it can't be removed. But I think all of these regulations are about the SALE of the helmet, not the use. IANAL.

Despite the dire warnings, I'm told we're actually allowed to remove pillow and mattress tags.

(I appreciate the challenges such circumstances present in terms of enforcement.)
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Buying a DOT sticker off Amazon doesn't make a helmet compliant.



If you're talking motorcycle/car insurance payment or any other type of civil liability, it probably wouldn't be non-payment. For example, if someone else caused the collision, they'd still be civilly liable. But it would provide ammo the insurance companies / attorneys would use to try and reduce liability. They would argue that had the rider been wearing a DOT compliant helmet, their injuries would be less severe (whether true or not) and that they should only be liable for partial medical expenses, etc. Why give them that ammo?
Thanks for expanding on my points!
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