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Old 04-02-2004, 06:50 PM   #46
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Ide say tha’ts about 5% of the needed information leading to the 911 attacks. And coincidently it happens to be the only 5% of info that makes the one political party out to be somewhat good guys.

Thanks for the info anyhow.

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The lone vote in the House of Representatives opposing military action in response to the terrorist attacks on the U.S. has a long history of associations with Communist Party and extremist groups and individuals, WorldNetDaily investigations show.

Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., is a long-time friend of Communist Party militant Angela Davis who succeeded another radical from the city of Oakland, Rep. Ron "Red" Dellums.

The votes in the House and Senate Friday authorized military action by the executive branch and provided $40 billion to help cover the costs of retaliation and rebuilding from the devastation of Tuesday suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

Lee paid her establishment political dues – first as an aide to Dellums and later as a California assemblywoman and state senator. However, less known is Lee's service on the national coordinating committee of the "Committees of Correspondence," an organization that splintered from the Communist Party USA in 1991. Davis, the three-time Communist Party candidate for vice president of the United States, served by her side.

Earlier, while working with Dellums, she joined the U.S.-Grenada Friendship Society, a front group supporting the Communist dictatorship of Maurice Bishop, a close ally of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. Just months before the U.S. invasion that toppled Bishop in 1983, Lee and Dellums visited the island on official business of the House Armed Services Committee to gauge the military threat posed to the United States by an international airport being built there by Cubans. According to documents captured by U.S. military forces in Grenada, Lee personally presented Bishop's Politburo with a draft of Dellums' report before it was presented to his congressional committee.

Despite revelations about this in 1993, Dellums went on to become chairman of the committee so vital to national security. Lee went on to become a member of the California Legislature. She threatened Joseph Farah, now the editor of WorldNetDaily, with a defamation lawsuit for publishing this information during her first term as a California assemblywoman. She dropped the threat after being challenged to provide any evidence that the charges were not true.

The minutes of a Politburo meeting held in 1982 say Lee actually encouraged the Communist government to make a revision in the report to minimize the military significance of the Grenada airport.

Less than a year later, the captured documents reveal, Lee helped coordinate a tour of the West Coast for Ian Jacobs, Grenada's deputy U.N. ambassador, as part of a propaganda offensive "to counterattack President Reagan's verbal attack on Grenada." Once again, Angela Davis was by her side.

President Reagan later ordered an invasion of the island when U.S. medical students were taken hostage by the Cuban-backed regime. When U.S. Marines landed, they were met with armed resistance, not from local forces, but from Cuban infantry regulars.

Lee's friendly relations with Cuba date back even further. In 1979, while on Dellums' staff, she traveled to Havana to attend a conference of "non-aligned nations," a Cold War euphemism for countries aligned with the Soviet Union. She attended the conference not as an employee of the federal government, which she was, but rather claiming to be a journalist for the left-wing alternative San Francisco paper, the Sun-Reporter.

The San Francisco paper Lee represented in Cuba was edited at the time by the late Carlton Goodlett. On April 22, 1970, Goodlett received the Lenin Peace Prize in Moscow. It was quite an affair – attended by Leonid Brezhnev and other party notables. The date marked Lenin's 100th birthday.

Until 1956, the Lenin Prize was called the Stalin Stipend. The name was changed only after Nikita Khruschev denounced mass murderer Josef Stalin at the 20th Party Congress in Moscow. It was not just an honorary award for promoting the cause of world Communism and Soviet hegemony. The prize was established in 1928 as the socialist rival to the Nobel Prize and paid its recipients amounts ranging from 50,000 to 100,000 rubles.

When Goodlett returned with his cash, he proceeded to file as a candidate for governor of California in that year's election. He also bankrolled the first big election bids of former California Assembly Speaker Willie Brown and Dellums.

In October 1997, a Freedom of Information Act request was filed with the FBI. It sought information about Goodlett, particularly with respect to the Lenin Prize and about his backing of Dellums. A few weeks later, Dellums surprised virtually everyone on Capitol Hill, throughout his district and across the nation by resigning in the middle of his two-year term.

Nevertheless, Lee was sworn into the House of Representatives by a smiling Speaker Newt Gingrich in 1998. She glibly took her oath to defend and uphold the Constitution, and she faced only token opposition in her successful bids for her first two full terms in the House.

The votes in the House and Senate were remarkable for their gravity, urgency and absence of opposition or even debate. Discussions took a mere five hours and the final vote was 420 to 1.

"There must be some of us who say, let's step back for a moment and think through the implications of our actions today – let us more fully understand its consequences," Lee said. "Far too many innocent people have already died."

The Senate version of the resolution passed 98-0.
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I do love how the Leftists and Communists hang out together so much. You can tell so much about someone by whom his friends are...

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Having read all that above, now I know what he meant.

Peter, you're posting these articles without any analysis, so am I to assume you share their opinion?
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It's hardly a surprise that China was able to steal our nuclear secrets, given the kind of people the Democrats have put in charge.

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By David Horowitz

Just as the government prepared to release the Cox Report, which would reveal that the communist regime in Beijing had stolen design information for every advanced nuclear weapon in the U.S. arsenal, the Democratic National Committee announced the appointment of a longtime communist sympathizer, Carlottia Scott, as its new "political issues director." Scott is a former mistress of the Marxist dictator of Grenada, and was an ardent supporter of America's communist adversaries during the Cold War.

The timing of the DNC's announcement was appropriately ironic, in that this appointment tells us volumes about the roots of the nation's growing security crisis: the dramatic erosion of America's military credibility in an ill-conceived war, and the theft of its nuclear arsenal by an adversary the administration claims is a "strategic partner."

Carlottia Scott was for many years the chief aide to Rep. Ron Dellums, a Berkeley radical who, with the approval of the congressional Democratic leadership, was appointed first to the Armed Services Committee and then to the chair of its subcommittee on military installations, which oversees U.S. bases worldwide. The Democratic leadership apparently saw no problem in the fact that every year during the Cold War with the Soviet empire, Dellums introduced a "peace" budget, which would have required a 75 percent reduction in government spending on America's defenses.

Nor did they have any problem with Dellums' performance during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which occurred on Jimmy Carter's watch. As Soviet troops poured across the Afghan border and President Carter called for the resumption of the military draft, Dellums told a "Stop the Draft" rally in Berkeley that "Washington, D.C., is a very evil place," and the only "arc" of a crisis that he could see was "the one that runs between the basement of the West Wing of the White House and the war room of the Pentagon."

Among the government documents retrieved when the Marxist government in Grenada was overthrown were the love letters of Dellums' chief aide, Carlottia Scott, to its anti-American dictator, Maurice Bishop. Scott wrote: "Ron has become truly committed to Grenada ... He's really hooked on you and Grenada and doesn't want anything to happen to building the Revolution and making it strong ... The only other person that I know of that he expresses such admiration for is Fidel."

Bishop and Fidel were not the only communists in the Americas favored by Dellums and his aide. About the time these letters were retrieved, Dellums was opening his congressional office to a Cuban intelligence agent who proceeded to organize support committees in the United States for the communist guerrilla movement in El Salvador. Yet, when Dellums' retired, the Clinton administration's secretary of defense, William S. Cohen, bestowed on him the highest civilian honor the Pentagon can award "for service to his country."

After Dellums' retirement, Scott became the chief of staff to his successor, Berkeley leftist Barbara Lee. In the 1970s Lee was a confidential aide to Huey Newton, the "minister of defense" of the Black Panther Party, whose calling card was the "Red Book" of Chinese dictator Mao Zedong. Among the documents liberated from Grenada were minutes from a politburo meeting attended by Lee and the Marxist junta. The minutes state that "Barbara Lee is here presently and has brought with her a report on the international airport done by Ron Dellums. They have requested that we look at the document and suggest any changes we deem necessary. They will be willing to make the changes."

The airport in question was being built by the Cuban military and, according to U.S. intelligence sources, was designed to accommodate Soviet warplanes. The Reagan administration regarded the airport project as part of a larger Soviet plan to establish a military base in this hemisphere, and administration officials invoked its construction as a national security justification for the invasion that followed.

In an effort to forestall such an invasion, and as head of the military installations subcommittee of the House, Dellums made a "fact-finding" trip to Grenada and issued his own report on the airport, concluding that it was being built "for the purpose of economic development, and is not for military use." Dellums' report also made the political claim that the Reagan administration's concerns about national security in regard to the airport were "absurd, patronizing and totally unwarranted." In other words, the captured minutes of the politburo meeting show that Dellums and his aide Lee colluded with the dictator of a communist state to cover up the fact that the Soviet Union was building a military airport that posed a threat to the security of the United States.

Despite this betrayal, and with the approval of her Democratic colleagues in the House, Lee is now a member of the House International Relations Committee, which deals with issues affecting the security of the United States. With equal disregard for national security, the DNC has now made Scott -- an abettor of these treacherous schemes -- its political issues director. When I asked a leading Democratic political strategist, who is not a leftist, how it was possible that the leaders of the Democratic Party could appoint someone like Scott to such a post at such a time, he replied: "You have to understand that in the 1960s these people (the party's leaders) were chanting, "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, the NLF Is Gonna Win!"

The left-wing culture that thus pervades both the Democratic Party and the Clinton administration is at the heart of the current national security crisis. These are people who never conceded that the Soviet Union was an evil empire; who never grasped the dimensions of the Soviet military threat; who regarded America's democracy as an imperialist empire and as morally convergent with the Soviet state; and who insisted (and still insist) that the ferreting out of Soviet loyalists and domestic spies during the early Cold War years was merely an ideological witch-hunt. They opposed the Reagan military buildup and the development of an anti-ballistic missile system in the 1980s and consistently called for unilateral steps to reduce America's nuclear deterrent.

Given this history, they could hardly be expected to take the post-Cold War threat from the Chinese communist dictatorship seriously. And they have not.

In fact, the current national security crisis may be said to have begun when President Clinton appointed anti-military environmental leftist Hazel O'Leary to be secretary of energy, and therefore in charge of the nation's nuclear weapons labs. O'Leary promptly surrounded herself with other political leftists (including a "Marxist-Feminist") and anti-nuclear activists, appointing them as assistant secretaries with responsibility for the nuclear labs.

In one of her first acts, O'Leary declassified 11 million pages of reports, including information on 204 nuclear tests, a move she described as an action to safeguard the environment and as a protest against a "bomb-building" culture. Having made America's nuclear weapons secrets available to adversary powers, O'Leary then took steps to relax security precautions at the labs under her control. She appointed Rose Gottemoeller, a former Clinton National Security Council staffer with extreme anti-nuclear views, to be director in charge of national security issues. Gottemoeller had been previously nominated to fill the post -- long-vacant in the Clinton administration –- of assistant secretary of defense for international security policy. But her appointment was successfully blocked by congressional Republicans because of her radical disarmament views. The Clinton response to her rejection on security grounds was to appoint her to be in charge of security for the nation's nuclear weapons labs.

The architect of America's China policy over the course of the current disaster has been Clinton's national security advisor, Sandy Berger. Berger began his political life as a Vietnam War protestor and member of the radical "Peace Now" movement, which regards Israel as the aggressor in the Middle East. Berger first met Clinton as an activist in the McGovern for president camp, the most left-wing Democratic presidential campaign in American history. Berger's law practice, prior to his appointment, was lobbying for the business arm of China's communist dictatorship. (The other root cause of the present security crisis is, of course, greed -- a major factor in all its aspects, and on both sides of the political aisle.)

It is hardly surprising that a political leftist and business lobbyist for China's rulers should take steps to lift the security controls that previously protected U.S. military technology. Or that, under his tenure, invitations to the White House should be extended to agents of Chinese intelligence and China's military. Or, for that matter, that appointments like that of John Huang to posts with top security clearance should be considered perfectly reasonable.

Nor is it surprising, given the politics of the Clinton managers, that the administration should place its faith in arms control agreements that depend on trustworthy partners, while strenuously opposing measures to develop anti-ballistic missile defenses that do not. (Even now, after the revelations of China's thefts, Berger and the Clinton administration continue to oppose the implementation of anti-ballistic missile defense programs, while pressing to keep China's most-favored-nation trading status secure.)

After all, this is a Democratic Party whose political culture is so dominated by left-wing illusions and deceits that it has worked assiduously to obstruct the investigations of the debts of the Clinton-Gore campaign to the Chinese dictators. No wonder it remains irresponsibly complacent in the face of the revelations of the Cox Report.

There is perhaps nothing more alarming for the prospects of the two-party system, however, than the wall of denial that has been hastily and irresponsibly erected around these issues by Democratic leaders like Tom Daschle in the wake of the Cox disclosures. To say, as the Senate minority leader has, that there is nothing really new in these revelations is patently absurd. Which previous administrations dismantled vital security procedures; accepted illegal monies from foreign intelligence services and then blocked investigations when the illegalities were revealed; presided over the wholesale evaporation of the nation's nuclear weapons advantage; abetted the transfer of missile technologies that can strike American cities; and opposed the development of weapons systems that could defend against such attacks?

The honest answer is none.

At the heart of the current crisis is a White House that has loaded its administration with officials deeply disenchanted with, if not actively hostile to, America's essential character and purposes. Behind that White House and still supporting its coverup is a party that lacks proper pride in America's national achievement and proper loyalty to America's national interests. This is a party whose leader has spent enormous political capital apologizing to the world for America's role in it. This is a party that even in the face of the most massive breach of security in America's history is still taking the position that, like Monica, "Everybody does it."

Democrats should think carefully before they proceed any further down this slippery path. Ronald Reagan won the presidency in 1980 by asking voters the question: "Do you feel better off now than you did four years ago?"

The next Republican presidential candidate will surely pose another obvious question: "Do you feel safer now than you did eight years ago?"
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Having read all that above, now I know what he meant.

Peter, you're posting these articles without any analysis, so am I to assume you share their opinion?
Copying one person's work is plagiarism, copying three or more is research.

I know all these facts already, I'm just posting them for the folks who are ignorant of them.

Know the difference between ignorance & stupidity?

Ignorance can be cured by study and application of brain-sweat.

Stupidity is permanent.

Most of the hard core Leftists I know are either
1) stupid
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2) unwilling or unable to learn new facts and un-learn falsehoods.

Pick your poison. Try to learn & understand. Please.

If not for your sake, then for the sake of those around you. We lost 3,000 people on 9/11 because of willful ignorance on the part of people who refused to believe that terrorism was going to hit America. They WILL hit us again. The best we can do is be prepared.

Personally, if I were President, I'd present a resolution to the UN that stated that if we were hit again, we'd NUKE the capital city of the nation that we THOUGHT was hosting the terrorists.

Fuck'em. Kill all the terrorists. Let Allah sort them out.

You don't know where I was on 9/11. If you were safe here in California, you have no idea what the East Coast thinks of terrorism.
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Wow, You have no problem believing Regan gave the hostage takers what they wanted (weapons) the second time they took hostages in Lebanon, but you don't believe he made a deal for weapons the first time in 1980.

You believe they just released the hostages out of the kindness of their hearts huh.
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I know they were scared out of their gourds by the possibility of Ronnie having the US Military available at his beck & call to invade Tehran and turn it into a nice parking lot.

Umm... Look at my avatar, see the dates where I was in the Army??? Does that give you some kind of clue?

Or do I drag out my clue-bat & drive the point home??
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I know they were scared out of their gourds by the possibility of Ronnie having the US Military available at his beck & call to invade Tehran and turn it into a nice parking lot.

Umm... Look at my avatar, see the dates where I was in the Army??? Does that give you some kind of clue?

Or do I drag out my clue-bat & drive the point home??
If that is true, why did he give them what they wanted the second time (which was to sell weapons to Iran) Iran -Contra?

If they were so afraid of Ronnie, why did they kill our people in the embassy, and then kill our marines?

I think you buy into too much right wing propaganda and don't look into the facts of what actually happened.
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The hostage crisis occured under JIMMY CARTER, you ignorant something or other.

Ronnie picked up the pieces.

Geezzz.....

Makes me wanna cry.... or get my cluebat.

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Iran Contra was much more about the "Contra" than the "Iran".

The whole point of the deal was weapons for the Contra fighters who had been cutoff by congress in the midst of US support...something the US had made quite a habbit of after Vietnam.

James Webb, Oliver North, Robert McFarlane, John Poindexter, Bud Mcfarlane...they all were involved in Iran Contra, either to protect the President (who made it his mission to not leave soldiers in the field un-aided) or to protect the United States Reputation. Oliver North took the fall for a deal he felt was honorable, albeit, an end around congress.

ALL of these men felt betrayed by congress, despite the sides the played in the affair.
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The hostage crisis occured under JIMMY CARTER, you ignorant something or other.

Ronnie picked up the pieces.

Geezzz.....

Makes me wanna cry.... or get my cluebat.

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.


You better use that cluebat on yourself you stupid fucking moron, there were other hostages taken on June 14 1985 : TWA Flight 847 from Athens is hijacked by terrorists. There are 153 passengers aboard, including 135 Americas. The pilot is forced to fly to Beirut, where hijackers beat and kill Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem, then dump his body on thr tarmac. The plane is flown back to Algiers then back to Beirut again. Most passengers are released; 39 were held captive in Lebanon.
These and some other American hostages that were taken were the ones from the Iran - Contra scandal, where Regan traded more weapons for more hostages.

Learn your fucking history, and learn some manners, don't talk about peoples mothers unless you want to get your fucking teeth knocked out.
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Now you know how it feels to have someone make a hurtful, personal comment towards you, eh Frank?
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Is there any chance to take the higher road and not threaten one another or call each other bad names? When I get frustrated enough I regress and insult others in the hopes of hurting them in some way. You guys have proven that your bullet proof and don't crumble under the weight of flames so why continue to lash out?

I consider myself a liberal thinker yet do not fit the stereotypes that XJ65R...paints of liberals.
If you dislike us liberal commy whatevers, I can try to understand but the whole machine gunning smile aiming at those with different beliefs as yours is a bit over the top.
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