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2025 F1 Season (spoilers will be discussed)

Well that result was unexpected..
 
Lando and Oscar DQed from the Vegas race, barge board too thin post race inspection. Oops!
 
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I don't think they're doing enough to hand the championship over to Max.

/Sarcasm
 
Max is making up ground fast but after the next race Oscar will be asked to help Lando win the title.
 
Climber said:
I don't think they're doing enough to hand the championship over to Max.

/Sarcasm
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I also believe teams shouldn't be punished for breaking the rules as long as my most disliked driver gets a raw deal out if it.
 
RB and Max have been exploiting the absolute letter of the rules for years. They aren't racing as much as they're exploiting every aspect of the rules and using bullying tactics to force other drivers to back down or crash.

No, I don't like Max and RB, I don't believe they are true sportsmen, they are opportunists to the Nth degree. And at least for his first Championship, the FIA has shown favoratism towards them and through the following years.

I'm a competitor who believes that competitions should come down to who is the best athlete on that day, not who is best at playing dirty tricks.
 
Climber said:
I don't think they're doing enough to hand the championship over to Max.

/Sarcasm
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I do understand you skepticism with regards to Max (I sometimes agree). But it is not like the FIA went under both McLarens with a grinder to make the planks fail. Rules are rules and McLaren goofed. All cars (that ended in the points) were checked and only McLaren failed (by .07mm). The rules are very clear with regards to the planks.
 
Climber said:
RB and Max have been exploiting the absolute letter of the rules for years. They aren't racing as much as they're exploiting every aspect of the rules and using bullying tactics to force other drivers to back down or crash.

No, I don't like Max and RB, I don't believe they are true sportsmen, they are opportunists to the Nth degree. And at least for his first Championship, the FIA has shown favoratism towards them and through the following years.

I'm a competitor who believes that competitions should come down to who is the best athlete on that day, not who is best at playing dirty tricks.
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Have you been a competitor in racing. Racing is a little different where it is the engineers duty to exploit the rules (it is what they are paid to do). If the rules do not say NO then it is open game. This goes all the way back to Karting. I did it with my KT-100 motor where I read the rule concerning Intake Track Length and where it was measured from. I figured out a way to lengthen the length with gaskets between my Carb and the Mounting surface which gave me more bottom end. It was checked and passed. Not with the sport of the rule, but I got away with it.

F1 is a multi billion dollar business where winning pays. Some of the most innovative things have come from the engineers exploiting the rules (double blown diffuser, vacuum car, Tyrel 6 wheel car, etc). These exploitations (by every team) will continue as long as racing exists.
 
Racinfrk said:
Have you been a competitor in racing. Racing is a little different where it is the engineers duty to exploit the rules (it is what they are paid to do). If the rules do not say NO then it is open game. This goes all the way back to Karting. I did it with my KT-100 motor where I read the rule concerning Intake Track Length and where it was measured from. I figured out a way to lengthen the length with gaskets between my Carb and the Mounting surface which gave me more bottom end. It was checked and passed. Not with the sport of the rule, but I got away with it.

F1 is a multi billion dollar business where winning pays. Some of the most innovative things have come from the engineers exploiting the rules (double blown diffuser, vacuum car, Tyrel 6 wheel car, etc). These exploitations (by every team) will continue as long as racing exists.
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I understand that part, the engineering.

the part that always bugged me about Max was how he'd go into corners with insufficient braking to make the corner, depending on getting his nose to the apex first in order to gain an advantage. Then he'd always force the other driver off the road while also going off the road. it was a dirty trick that he got away with for years.

He did other things with intimidationg where the other drivers knew that he'd run into them if they didn't yield, even though they were in the right.
 
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That I 100% agree with you. Max is a dirty driver. But I would not blame Red Bull (other then them not putting a stop to it). Max is a very good and calculated driver. I admire his talent but do not like him.
 
He's a total douchebag.

An extremely talented douchebag. Possibly the most talented douchebag ever.

But if you're going to be a douchebag, you gotta be good, and he's got that part down.
 
Racinfrk said:
Have you been a competitor in racing. Racing is a little different where it is the engineers duty to exploit the rules (it is what they are paid to do). If the rules do not say NO then it is open game. This goes all the way back to Karting. I did it with my KT-100 motor where I read the rule concerning Intake Track Length and where it was measured from. I figured out a way to lengthen the length with gaskets between my Carb and the Mounting surface which gave me more bottom end. It was checked and passed. Not with the sport of the rule, but I got away with it.
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Agree; similar thing for me when rate-of-change TC came out by Bazaaz. This was ruled illegal at the club level and I got caught with it...when asked what it was by Club President, I told him "It's Bazaaz". Got DQ'd (by the President; a good friend) and appealed to the BOD. Explained it wasn't TC, but rather, engine management (which it was). No new sensors, no wheel speed TC, but rate of change. I won the appeal and that opened the whole club up for it. IIRC, that was the only time I "cheated" with anything, however.

Racinfrk said:
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That I 100% agree with you. Max is a dirty driver. But I would not blame Red Bull (other then them not putting a stop to it). Max is a very good and calculated driver. I admire his talent but do not like him.
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Max is autistically fantastic, IMO. He's also a racer meaning; when the helmet goes on (or visor goes down), he's in hunter/ killer mode. You know all of this; no friends (well, close to that), all out win. Max uses his intimidation status. See below.

Lights_Guy3 said:
He's a total douchebag.

An extremely talented douchebag. Possibly the most talented douchebag ever.

But if you're going to be a douchebag, you gotta be good, and he's got that part down.
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In used to think this way, but after reading more on him, I'm not so sure. He's friends with many of the guys he races close with.The difference is; Max knows he's able to intimidate drivers by challenging them to make contact. When drivers start holding their lanes and make contact with max/ max makes contact with them; heavy enough to damage his car and severely hamper performance, Max will change his tactics. At the front, every driver/ rider learns this...and most don't challenge, they settle in. Intimidation is a big thing in the racing world...and when you have it and know it, it's used to bully other competitors. Just another tool....the other drivers can solve it, but they're worried about losing their rides and thus; lose championships. Gotta hit back.
 
Holeshot said:
Agree; similar thing for me when rate-of-change TC came out by Bazaaz. This was ruled illegal at the club level and I got caught with it...when asked what it was by Club President, I told him "It's Bazaaz". Got DQ'd (by the President; a good friend) and appealed to the BOD. Explained it wasn't TC, but rather, engine management (which it was). No new sensors, no wheel speed TC, but rate of change. I won the appeal and that opened the whole club up for it. IIRC, that was the only time I "cheated" with anything, however.



Max is autistically fantastic, IMO. He's also a racer meaning; when the helmet goes on (or visor goes down), he's in hunter/ killer mode. You know all of this; no friends (well, close to that), all out win. Max uses his intimidation status. See below.


In used to think this way, but after reading more on him, I'm not so sure. He's friends with many of the guys he races close with.The difference is; Max knows he's able to intimidate drivers by challenging them to make contact. When drivers start holding their lanes and make contact with max/ max makes contact with them; heavy enough to damage his car and severely hamper performance, Max will change his tactics. At the front, every driver/ rider learns this...and most don't challenge, they settle in. Intimidation is a big thing in the racing world...and when you have it and know it, it's used to bully other competitors. Just another tool....the other drivers can solve it, but they're worried about losing their rides and thus; lose championships. Gotta hit back.
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Professionally douchetastic. Personally he seems pretty regular.

And to be fair, if many millions are on the line, I want to hire the extremely talented douchebag. That's the kind of person who will deliver results.
 
I am by no means a Max fan. But I kind of want to see him win the WDC because it would be historic.

I think people will ease up on their hatred in a few years for Max. Just like when people hated Vettel, Alonso, Prost, Piquet, Schumacher, Lauda...even Senna had his haters.
 
Michael Schumacher was known for doing many of the things that Max does, Max just took it a bit further. I suspect that Max tailored his driving style after Schumacher.

IIRC, Schumacher won a championship by taking out his rival in the final race so that he couldn't pass him in points.

Max is very talented, I just don't like how he goes about gaining advantages.
 
Climber said:
RB and Max have been exploiting the absolute letter of the rules for years. They aren't racing as much as they're exploiting every aspect of the rules and using bullying tactics to force other drivers to back down or crash.

No, I don't like Max and RB, I don't believe they are true sportsmen, they are opportunists to the Nth degree. And at least for his first Championship, the FIA has shown favoratism towards them and through the following years.

I'm a competitor who believes that competitions should come down to who is the best athlete on that day, not who is best at playing dirty tricks.
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Honestly I wish any penalties etc... were shown to the FIA with cars and drivers missing any logos so they can't tell who they are looking at.

Maybe 1 day AI can hand out the penalties... Good luck arguing with THAT RB and Max :ROFLMAO:
 
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