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Recommendations/Tips: Wine Tasting in Napa

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Me, the lady, and her folks will be trekking between SF and Vallejo for a few days during the weekend of July 17th. They want to go wine tasting and Napa is the nearby obligatory choice.

It'll be mine and my lady's first time. Her folks have gone only once. All pretty much rookies.

Do's and dont's? As far as budget-- reasonable? Not really sure what reasonable is, but we don't need to be too cost conscience if that gives an idea.

Tips? Restaurants to go to (Seafood, steak, sushi, anything is a go)? What should we be looking for to try? Better to go in AM or PM to certain spots?

TIA!
 
Placeholder for recommendations when i get to work.

How many people, 4? Expectations? Desired experience? Budget per person? Tasting vs tour vs education vs view vs wow factor? Time limit? What kind of wine do you/they usually like?
 
Good questions, Koi. It's hard to make recommendations on something like this without more info. OP, if you decide to go to Sonoma instead, I can provide you with all sorts of recommendations, depending on your taste/budget /desired experience. Koi knows Napa like the back of his hand, so I would recommend following his suggestions for that area.
 
Napa can get very very crowded. As such, the vintner often does not have much time to spend with each customer and the experience is not as fun. Napa does have a lot of high-end wineries and well known labels which can be fun. Many of the large wineries in Napa will do vine tours for around $20 per person and provided a guided tour out into the vines and barrel rooms, with some interesting facts about how wine is produced, finishing with tastings from the barrels. This is kinda fun for the first timer. You might also consider a hot air balloon ride.

My preference is for Healdsburg or Sonoma. They are much less crowded / touristy and the vintners are generally more friendly and inviting. More wineries here also seem to pour free tastings where Napa generally charges for tastings (but credits it back with a purchase).

Either way........they will have a lot of fun. TIP: rent bicycles and ride from winery to winery. There are rentals available in Napa and Sonoma though I'm not sure about Healdsburg. Plus, the wineries in Healdsburg are more spread out.
 
All right, quick and dirty version which I can get more specific with more information to the above questions.

4 People, noobs, I normally recommend a varied experience. Go somewhere big, somewhere small, somewhere boutique, and take a tour. Plan on 3 wineries, with room for a 4th that doesn't require reservations. Keep your day sort of flexible, worst thing to do is try to fit in too much, and then get stressed when your behind schedule because you had fun somewhere. Even more worse, to get shit faced and get a DUI from over tasting. Remember, tasting wine does not mean you drink. There are spit buckets at every winery for a reason. Taste the wine, if you don't like it, dump it/spit it. They will not be offended. If you find a wine you like, by all means finish the glass, but if you're a red fan who doesn't like chardonnay, try the wine, you may find something you like, but if it's not your thing, dump the glass, spit out the 2nd mouthful, and move on. You'll have a much better/longer day. Bring your own water as well, hydrate hydrate hydrate.

Once you've taken a tour, you've pretty much taken a tour of most wineries, the info is usually the same unless they have something different to experience, or do something different in the process. Red wine vs sparkling wine kind of thing.

July 17/18th is going to be a busy weekend around here, so plan now. Restaurant reservations, winery tours/reservations, going to fill up fast so plan early and profit.

For a tasting, no tour, just belly up to a bar and drink type experience, plan on 15-30 a person. You can split the tasting between two people to save on money, and sobriety.

Tours are usually 50-75 per person, and not able to be split, nor should you at that price.

Start with a tour in the morning, you'll have more energy to walk around and be less drunk to take in the information. Also it'll be a good chance to learn, and you'll be able to use that knowledge for the rest of your day. Pine Ridge, Domaine Carneros, Far Niente all do great tours.

Big wineries I usually find out what you normally drink first to recommend. There's something to be said to go to the place of the wine you like to buy at home to try wines you might not know they produce. Chateau Montellena is a favorite of mine and after your first tour, and if you make a picnic (see below), has a 2 billion gallon koi pond out back that you can enjoy AFTER your tasting. Also watch the movie BottleShock before you go and you'll know more about the history of Napa and the winery.

Small wineries/Boutique wineries tend to be more fun IMO, you get more of a one on one experience, they help guide your questions and will probe you to see what you know and want to know. Vincent Arroyo, Hagafen, Failla, O'Brien, Goosecross, Envy, Cade. All a lot of fun. Hagafen and Vince Arroyo are my two favorite wineries in Napa. Vince for Reds, Hagafen for whites.

There are also "tasting rooms" which are pretty much wineries without squishing grapes on property. Some stay open past the 5pm cut off for wineries so they're a great option if you're still thirsty. Hope and Grace, Priest Ranch, 1313 Main St, Ceja vineyards are some good ones.

Restaurants, for lunch, I usually recommend deli's. Most wineries have a picnic bench or area to enjoy some food AFTER your tasting. If you wanted more of a restaurant to enjoy, somewhere like Travigne, Farmstead, or Hurley's is a great spot and not hard to get into.


Dinner, depends on what kind of food. Yountville is the mecca for restaurants, so Bistro Jeanty or Bouchon for French are my gotos. Ciccio's for out of this world Italian, but they dont' take reservations so get there early, get your name on the list, go across the street to R&D kitchen for a drink and wait for your table. It's well worth it IMO and absolutely the best Italian I've had this side of the pond. Steak, Rutherford Grill, Brannans, or Redd (though Redd is nearly impossible to get into nowadays).




So as a basic itinerary for you.

10:30 tour at Pine Ridge of caves/vineyard/wine making process.
Pick up Picnic supplies at Sunshine Market in St Helena
12pm Tasting at Chateau Montelena
12:45 Picnic at the pond at CM
2pm Tasting at Vincent Arroyo
3:30 Tasting at O'Brien Estate
Drive to Yountville
Walk in tasting if still thirsty at Hope and Grace.
Walk into Ciccios, put name on list, cross street to R&D, order well made cocktail, wait 25-45 minutes for table, return to Ciccios, enjoy amazing meal, profit.

Return home after an amazing day, PM i_am_the_koi to arrange delivery of a thank you bottle of Port from Vince Arroyo.




This can be molded to fit your desires a bit more but should give you a good idea. Feel free to PM me with more questions or I'll watch the thread too.
 
If you want the best free wine tasting by the most highly decorated wine maker in California go to Carol Shelton tucked away in an obscure little business park in Santa Rosa.

No, it's not Napa but the wines match up.

Her wines are easily as good as the wines in snazzy looking wineries and are 1/2 the price.

To say they are outstanding would be a huge disservice.

And did I mention the wine tasting is free???

http://www.carolshelton.com/
 
Placeholder for recommendations when i get to work.

How many people, 4? Expectations? Desired experience? Budget per person? Tasting vs tour vs education vs view vs wow factor? Time limit? What kind of wine do you/they usually like?

I see the replies, but just to answer your questions:

Four People

We are expecting good wine, good food, and a nice relaxing day. Other than that, not sure what to expect tbh.

Budget-- this is complicating. Her folks will be inclined to pay and they don't mind splurging, however I'm not one to have my cake and eat it too JUST because it's on someone else's dime... does this make sense? Her folks are well off imo, but I don't want to take them on some extravagant outing so we can freeload.

My gf and I are educated, but her folks don't speak English very well. I don't think a tour will do much for the folks since they probably wouldn't be able to follow what someone is saying. We are tasting nubs so we really don't know where to begin on this area. Views would be nice. Wow factor would be nice. Again, since her folks will be paying, I want this to be more revolved around them. My gf and I are really flexible and just want to show them a good time.

Don't think we really have a time limit, but doubt they would want to be out ALL day. Maybe a good few hours?

We have no wine preference. I'm not much of a wine drinker. I'll take some red wine when I have steaks at nice restaurants, but we are all open to anything.
 
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Stay out of Napa. Dry Creek. Start with Sunce and head north.

Even Napa people (napkins) don't like Napa anymore.
 
Consider hiring a limo for the day. Makes it much more relaxing and everyone can drink however much they want.
 
Visit Frank Family, Alpha & Omega, Hall

Reserve a restaurant ahead of time. Limo if you can.

You could do this and have a fun day out of it as such:
Bouchon in yountville for lunch
Drive to Frank Family in st helena
Then head back to Hall
Finish off at Alpha & Omega

That'll make for a good day. I recommend doing lunch first. That way you can enjoy the food without being overly drunk.
 
All right, quick and dirty version which I can get more specific with more information to the above questions.

4 People, noobs, I normally recommend a varied experience. Go somewhere big, somewhere small, somewhere boutique, and take a tour. Plan on 3 wineries, with room for a 4th that doesn't require reservations. Keep your day sort of flexible, worst thing to do is try to fit in too much, and then get stressed when your behind schedule because you had fun somewhere. Even more worse, to get shit faced and get a DUI from over tasting. Remember, tasting wine does not mean you drink. There are spit buckets at every winery for a reason. Taste the wine, if you don't like it, dump it/spit it. They will not be offended. If you find a wine you like, by all means finish the glass, but if you're a red fan who doesn't like chardonnay, try the wine, you may find something you like, but if it's not your thing, dump the glass, spit out the 2nd mouthful, and move on. You'll have a much better/longer day. Bring your own water as well, hydrate hydrate hydrate.

Once you've taken a tour, you've pretty much taken a tour of most wineries, the info is usually the same unless they have something different to experience, or do something different in the process. Red wine vs sparkling wine kind of thing.

July 17/18th is going to be a busy weekend around here, so plan now. Restaurant reservations, winery tours/reservations, going to fill up fast so plan early and profit.

For a tasting, no tour, just belly up to a bar and drink type experience, plan on 15-30 a person. You can split the tasting between two people to save on money, and sobriety.

Tours are usually 50-75 per person, and not able to be split, nor should you at that price.

Start with a tour in the morning, you'll have more energy to walk around and be less drunk to take in the information. Also it'll be a good chance to learn, and you'll be able to use that knowledge for the rest of your day. Pine Ridge, Domaine Carneros, Far Niente all do great tours.

Big wineries I usually find out what you normally drink first to recommend. There's something to be said to go to the place of the wine you like to buy at home to try wines you might not know they produce. Chateau Montellena is a favorite of mine and after your first tour, and if you make a picnic (see below), has a 2 billion gallon koi pond out back that you can enjoy AFTER your tasting. Also watch the movie BottleShock before you go and you'll know more about the history of Napa and the winery.

Small wineries/Boutique wineries tend to be more fun IMO, you get more of a one on one experience, they help guide your questions and will probe you to see what you know and want to know. Vincent Arroyo, Hagafen, Failla, O'Brien, Goosecross, Envy, Cade. All a lot of fun. Hagafen and Vince Arroyo are my two favorite wineries in Napa. Vince for Reds, Hagafen for whites.

There are also "tasting rooms" which are pretty much wineries without squishing grapes on property. Some stay open past the 5pm cut off for wineries so they're a great option if you're still thirsty. Hope and Grace, Priest Ranch, 1313 Main St, Ceja vineyards are some good ones.

Restaurants, for lunch, I usually recommend deli's. Most wineries have a picnic bench or area to enjoy some food AFTER your tasting. If you wanted more of a restaurant to enjoy, somewhere like Travigne, Farmstead, or Hurley's is a great spot and not hard to get into.


Dinner, depends on what kind of food. Yountville is the mecca for restaurants, so Bistro Jeanty or Bouchon for French are my gotos. Ciccio's for out of this world Italian, but they dont' take reservations so get there early, get your name on the list, go across the street to R&D kitchen for a drink and wait for your table. It's well worth it IMO and absolutely the best Italian I've had this side of the pond. Steak, Rutherford Grill, Brannans, or Redd (though Redd is nearly impossible to get into nowadays).




So as a basic itinerary for you.

10:30 tour at Pine Ridge of caves/vineyard/wine making process.
Pick up Picnic supplies at Sunshine Market in St Helena
12pm Tasting at Chateau Montelena
12:45 Picnic at the pond at CM
2pm Tasting at Vincent Arroyo
3:30 Tasting at O'Brien Estate
Drive to Yountville
Walk in tasting if still thirsty at Hope and Grace.
Walk into Ciccios, put name on list, cross street to R&D, order well made cocktail, wait 25-45 minutes for table, return to Ciccios, enjoy amazing meal, profit.

Return home after an amazing day, PM i_am_the_koi to arrange delivery of a thank you bottle of Port from Vince Arroyo.




This can be molded to fit your desires a bit more but should give you a good idea. Feel free to PM me with more questions or I'll watch the thread too.

:wow

Thank you!

You work in napa or just a frequent visitor?
 
:wow

Thank you!

You work in napa or just a frequent visitor?

Concierge in the valley.

4th generation local.

Frequent taster and eater.

Will add more to your follow up post after this weekend. Don't listen to the haters. Napa is great and if it's what you/they want, then do it. Definitely doable with what you've said so far. Just a matter of finding the right plan.
 
Stay out of Napa. Dry Creek. Start with Sunce and head north.

Even Napa people (napkins) don't like Napa anymore.

Please. Napa is home. I fucking love this place. Born and raised here and you're wrong on so many levels.

OP, Koi knows his Shit. Hit him or myself up, we know a couple things about this place.
 
wow thanks you two. As the weekend gets closer, will check back in to start making a more solid plan for the day.
 
Views would be nice. Wow factor would be nice. Again, since her folks will be paying, I want this to be more revolved around them. My gf and I are really flexible and just want to show them a good time.

Koi knows his stuff, no question.

Spent yesterday at Outpost Winery and Mending Wall wineries in the Napa Valley, very boutique, quite unknown, great wines. My sis was in town from Georgia and she went to Junior High with the owner. Great day.

But for "wow factor" and views of the Napa Valley Sterling Vineyards can't be beat IMHO.

Ride up to the winery is fun, if short.

Views from the winery are spectacular and the wine is pretty good albeit the place is a bit corporate.

I would also recommend eating at the Oxbow Market; many varied choices for restaurants, (including Gotts Roadside) and a little shopping inside with a/c in a somewhat intimate environment.

EDIT: if possible, try to use the Silverado Trail to go North and South rather than 29, which parallels it. Lots of cross roads between 29 and Silverado Trail to move back and forth.



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OP, Koi knows his Shit. Hit him or myself up, we know a couple things about this place.



Koi knows his stuff, no question

:blush

It's my yob


Yeah, hwy 29 is a mess so avoid it on weekends or during harvest.

FTFY :laughing


I see the replies, but just to answer your questions:

Four People

We are expecting good wine, good food, and a nice relaxing day. Other than that, not sure what to expect tbh.

Budget-- this is complicating. Her folks will be inclined to pay and they don't mind splurging, however I'm not one to have my cake and eat it too JUST because it's on someone else's dime... does this make sense? Her folks are well off imo, but I don't want to take them on some extravagant outing so we can freeload.

My gf and I are educated, but her folks don't speak English very well. I don't think a tour will do much for the folks since they probably wouldn't be able to follow what someone is saying. We are tasting nubs so we really don't know where to begin on this area. Views would be nice. Wow factor would be nice. Again, since her folks will be paying, I want this to be more revolved around them. My gf and I are really flexible and just want to show them a good time.

Don't think we really have a time limit, but doubt they would want to be out ALL day. Maybe a good few hours?

We have no wine preference. I'm not much of a wine drinker. I'll take some red wine when I have steaks at nice restaurants, but we are all open to anything.

Couple of things I'd ask. What language do the folks speak? There might be wineries I could recommend for you to have a lingual experience.

Hit me up whenever, we'll tighten down a plan for you. I'd choose one good tour like I said to start, let the folks pick up the tab, and then buy the next two tastings (cheaper overall especially if you split.)

Feel out the folks on what kinds of wine they like, again, can recommend something that will be what they are looking for vs more generic all encompassing tastings.

If you limit your appointments, it'll be easy to change your schedule through the day. Suddenly you get tired and want to go home, you're not feeling forced to show to a tasting if you are planning on walking in to places.
 
Hey now, I've been driving daily and after six it's usually pretty light traffic all the way to Calistoga. Don't be scaring everyone !!! :laughing
 
ADHD non-specific reply. Pick any winery and get a bottle to take home. It's all swill/good. Take bike to the Oakville Grocery for a tasty, but expensive, sandwich lunch, then blast Oakville Grade to Dry Creek to Trinity into Sonoma. Get something good at Savory Spice Shop, and go home and grill some excellent lamb chops or something, and savor with your lady that lucky bottle of wine you both picked.
 
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