What in the world happened to Gabby Petito?

[Climber]

Just because he's innocent, doesn't mean he didn't do it.

Good one!

 

[SFMCjohn]

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bet his lawyer wants to wring his neck for pulling a disappearing act.
consciousness-of-guilt, and all that?
or am I falling into the “presumed innocence!” mud puddle ...?
maybe it’s only OK for an assistant district attorney to say that sort of stuff ... idk.

 

[Climber]

bet his lawyer wants to wring his neck for pulling a disappearing act.
consciousness-of-guilt, and all that?
or am I falling into the “presumed innocence!” mud puddle ...?
maybe it’s only OK for an assistant district attorney to say that sort of stuff ... idk.

The lawyer wouldn't have done anything for him without a retainer, I'd expect the lawyer to clam up once that is exhausted unless they saw the benefit of free advertising.

I doubt this lawyer gives much thought about being mad at their client for disappearing as long as their billing hours are paid for.

 

[Johndicezx9]

F Lee Bailey made his name working for free on the Dr. Sam Sheppard case...

 

[SFMCjohn]

The lawyer wouldn't have done anything for him without a retainer, I'd expect the lawyer to clam up once that is exhausted unless they saw the benefit of free advertising.

I doubt this lawyer gives much thought about being mad at their client for disappearing as long as their billing hours are paid for.

just speaking from personal experience. my criminal lawyers certainly never hesitated being angry at me. think it’s one of their tools. client control, and all that. “accept the plea deal, no one wants a jury trial!!”

of course, my lawyers were always dump trucks. sounds like you’re dealing with a better class of attorneys?

but, idk. I’m frequently wrong, and often confused.

 

[dravnx]

Just because he's found innocent, doesn't mean he didn't do it.

FTFY

 

[ThumperX]

bet his lawyer wants to wring his neck for pulling a disappearing act.
consciousness-of-guilt, and all that?
or am I falling into the “presumed innocence!” mud puddle ...?
maybe it’s only OK for an assistant district attorney to say that sort of stuff ... idk.

It sure doesn't help anyone's credibility, the BF's, his family, or the lawer's.

Who knows if the BF is guilty of murder, no one knows the answer to that question except the woman who is at the morgue and the boyfriend/ fiancé that has taken off.
My "rightous indignation" is at the horrendous treatment of Gabby's family by him,his parents, and the lawyer. I've experienced the dissapearance of a pet and that was brutal I cannot begin to imagine the emotions that her family have experienced since they first suspected something was amiss.

My comment may have sounded like I wish him dead, I don't but I do wish some kind of repercussions, and I remember Scott Peterson all to well.

 

[SFMCjohn]

It sure doesn't help anyone's credibility, the BF's, his family, or the lawer's.

Who knows if the BF is guilty of murder, no one knows the answer to that question except the woman who is at the morgue and the boyfriend/ fiancé that has taken off.
My "rightous indignation" is at the horrendous treatment of Gabby's family by him,his parents, and the lawyer. I've experienced the dissapearance of a pet and that was brutal I cannot begin to imagine the emotions that her family have experienced since they first suspected something was amiss.

My comment may have sounded like I wish him dead, I don't but I do wish some kind of repercussions, and I remember Scott Peterson all to well.

yes, I generally just go with the odds. it’s mostly people we know who murder us.

certainly always liked Mr Peterson as the perp, from the very, very beginning, when he was doing his bs television appearances, and joining search parties. was all like, he’s so guilty.

 

[ScorpioVI]

Innocent. You are it, until proven otherwise

That’s for a court of law. Which I’m not. This internet wizard is free to speculate, jump to conclusions, and voice an opinion.

You thought police are free to pass judgment on that however you please.

 

[eBay Mike]

Those are legal terms.

I wasn't following this drama beyond seeing the occasional headline. However, sifting through what I've read up to this point I believe that the boyfriend killed her.

Your question of guilt or innocence is for the courts to decide.

k

 

[Eldritch]

Besides, we in here have utterly zero impact on his life aside from speculation, so there is no harm in giving our opinions.

This exactly. Zero impact on your life. So why all the wish for death and outrage over something where no one knows has happened, that you all have no power or control to effect, for a story about people you do not know or have ever met?

Are all of you keeping your lives so empty of true meaning that this circus of fabricated emotional events is necessary to assign some value to it?

Are you all so out of touch with your own true emotional content that you require this false outlet to vent your feels from other aspects of your life you are unwilling to face directly?

The pitchforks and torches seem a bit too easy to hand in this room.

Here’s the ONLY thing I know, he showed up, she didn’t. They asked where did you see her last he refused to speak. He stopped being innocent the day he refused to speak.
I will not be surprised if it were something stupid and accidental but now it is so much more sinister because of nothing but his actions.

You have wished death upon him. I would never do this regarding a person unless I am willing to draw the blade to wet or pull the trigger myself.

Perhaps you treat the destruction of other humans more casulaally than I do, that would be impressive.

I mean, technically, you are correct on this, we don't know what happened.

We can say, however, that this guys actions make him appear to be guilty and trying to evade responsibility for his actions. Maybe it was a incidence of DV that got out of hand. Maybe it was a complete accident. Maybe as you said she stormed off and did something stupid and he just ran. We probably won't really know anything beyond speculation until details of the case are made public, which could be in months or years when we he is on trial.

I'm inclined to agree with you. It looks real bad for dude. Not a good look at all.

I certainly won't be getting emotionally involved though. Any time you allow someone or something to affect your passions, you are granting it power over you.

I invest my passions far too deeply in the meaningful things in my life to waste my power on giving it over to a random internet speculation. There are actual meaningful things happening that require energy.

That’s for a court of law. Which I’m not. This internet wizard is free to speculate, jump to conclusions, and voice an opinion.

You thought police are free to pass judgment on that however you please.

Truly the only judge we can face is ourselves. The value of your social currency is one you set for yourself. It is merely up to others to decide if they will accept it as legal tender.

 

[TylerW]

You have wished death upon him. I would never do this regarding a person unless I am willing to draw the blade to wet or pull the trigger myself.

Perhaps you treat the destruction of other humans more casulaally than I do, that would be impressive.

You've also said that police should be able to freely kill anyone who resists them.

Maybe your attitude has changed, but this is a weird take on justice from you.

 

[Climber]

I think we all would like to see consequences for actions for criminals, politicians, celebrities and others.

Real consequences have become so rare in big stories but we still hope for them.

 

[SFMCjohn]

nothing worse than being an emotionally involved humanist, on a quest for perfect human justice in this vale of tears. must be tough.

know I'm here to suffer and die, and then spend an eternity in hell. some comfort in that, anyway.

 

[bojangle]

Those are legal terms.

I wasn't following this drama beyond seeing the occasional headline. However, sifting through what I've read up to this point I believe that the boyfriend killed her.

Your question of guilt or innocence is for the courts to decide.

Technically, the courts will rule either guilty or not guilty. There is no ruling of innocent. The other options are a hung jury or a plea of no contest, which is treated the same as guilty.

 

[TylerW]

I think we all would like to see consequences for actions for criminals, politicians, celebrities and others.

Real consequences have become so rare in big stories but we still hope for them.

Sometimes I wonder if this is a byproduct of our (likely unhealthy) emotional investment in people who are not part of our regular lives. Many of us have invested ourselves in this story, its mystery, its twists and turns, and seek a satisfying conclusion.

It makes sense, we have been primed through books, movies and television series that stories like this conclude in a satisfying way. But reality often disappoints, and rarely gives us the closure we need to comfortably move on.

Heck, most of us in the bay area remember the story of Polly Klaas. The justice given to Richard Allen Davis was relatively swift given the umbrage of our legal system, but I don;t think most would describe it as satisfying.

 

[Climber]

Sometimes I wonder if this is a byproduct of our (likely unhealthy) emotional investment in people who are not part of our regular lives. Many of us have invested ourselves in this story, its mystery, its twists and turns, and seek a satisfying conclusion.

It makes sense, we have been primed through books, movies and television series that stories like this conclude in a satisfying way. But reality often disappoints, and rarely gives us the closure we need to comfortably move on.

Heck, most of us in the bay area remember the story of Polly Klaas. The justice given to Richard Allen Davis was relatively swift given the umbrage of our legal system, but I don;t think most would describe it as satisfying.

What would you have considered satisfying with Richard Allen Davis?

 

[TylerW]

What would you have considered satisfying with Richard Allen Davis?

A friend of mine was murdered a few years back, in his home. He was killed by a junkie, who robbed his house looking for junk or sellable stuff. Greg just happened to be home, the perp was armed, so Greg died.

I'd feel a lot better about the condition of the world if his killer learned from his grievous mistake, overcame his addiction and learned how he could apply his skills, whatever they might be, to make the world a better place.

I don't get anything out of learning that he was killed by the state. It just makes me feel more numb.

 

[Climber]

A friend of mine was murdered a few years back, in his home. He was killed by a junkie, who robbed his house looking for junk or sellable stuff. Greg just happened to be home, the perp was armed, so Greg died.

I'd feel a lot better about the condition of the world if his killer learned from his grievous mistake, overcame his addiction and learned how he could apply his skills, whatever they might be, to make the world a better place.

I don't get anything out of learning that he was killed by the state. It just makes me feel more numb.

All of us have different ideas on how to handle killers like that.

Personally, I have no problem with them being put out of everybody's misery. I don't view it as vengeance, but rather consequences for their actions. They made a decisions to kill at least one person horribly, ending all of the hopes and dreams of their victim(s), IMHO they have forfeited any right to any kind of future.

But, that is just my view on it.

 

[ScorpioVI]

We don't have a "justice" system. We have a legal system. I feel like "justice" is only something the victims or the victims' families/friends can have a stake in. And rarely does our legal system dole out justice to the satisfaction of the victims and their families/friends.

All of us have different ideas on how to handle killers like that.

Personally, I have no problem with them being put out of everybody's misery. I don't view it as vengeance, but rather consequences for their actions. They made a decisions to kill at least one person horribly, ending all of the hopes and dreams of their victim(s), IMHO they have forfeited any right to any kind of future.

But, that is just my view on it.

I'm with you on that.